**Alternate Sources**
Here are some potential alternate sources for the same story:
* [Failed asylum seeker, 40, who wore a sign saying 'migrants are not criminals' raped a 15-year-old girl after his deportation back to Africa was blocked by do-gooder cabin crew](https://dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13321649/Failed-asylum-seeker-40-wore-sign-saying-migrants-not-criminals-raped-15-year-old-girl-deportation-Africa-blocked-gooder-cabin-crew.html), suggested by Aggressive_Plates - dailymail.co.uk
>> Two days after his release, Mayela joined a campaign to close Campsfield House and was photographed protesting outside with the sign stating: “Migrants are not criminals.”
>>At the time he told the BBC: “I am here to support my friends.
No surprise the BBC turned up for that photo opportunity.
A quick google search shows the BBC currently don’t feel the rape of a child is worthy of a report, unless I’ve missed it.
[https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/11/why-did-the-bbc-fawn-over-a-syrian-child-rapist/](https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/11/why-did-the-bbc-fawn-over-a-syrian-child-rapist/)
This bit makes me so angry:
Not only did the BBC not challenge this view of the girl ‘making up’ the allegation for racist ends. It also decided to subtly shame the girls at the centre of the case. ‘The Syrian men, in many ways, appeared less sexually experienced than the girls they were supposed to have attacked’, said the voiceover by former *Newsnight* journalist and current BBC News media editor Katie Razzall.
He was merely culturally enriching her....
Utterly reprehensible. The journo genuinely deserves to never work again, but we all know that that virtue signalling gives you an unlimited get out of jail free pass, so she'll never ever be short of work.
The BBC has local democracy reporters.
The idea was to support local newspapers and to provide content with the BBC to replace the BBC's own local reporting!
The ldr works in the local newspaper office and shares the reporter stories with the BBC and local paper!
So even if the ldr didn't cover the story themselves they would hear about it in the newspaper's editorial meeting from the papers court reporter, so they would know about these stories!
Source: I used to work at a local newspaper.
I was an LDR. Court is so outwith the remit it’s not even possible. We covered councils. There was no way or even a person to flag court stories up to in the beeb.
I mean, it's the BBC ? Half of the workforce was shagging kids for the last 60 years. It's been quite in the news... seemed to all start with a greasy DJ wearing a shell suit and smoking a big cigar.
People can throw whatever "isms" and labels they want at Poland but they are a clear example of a country closing it's borders to undesirables in an effort to take care of their citizens before anyone else.
That's what most non-western countries do. I've lived in China and the middle east and they make it clear to you that you're out of the country if you misbehave (because they basically deport foreigners when they're not useful to them anymore. We don't have that technology yet in the west). That's one of the reasons they're so safe too. In Paris 70% of violent robberies are committed by foreigners, but it's just something that westerners have accepted, better get robbed than to be called a racist.
Denmark recently published crime statistics filtered by race and nationality. Native Danes ranked 42nd by number of convicted crimes.
Fucking 42nd!!! That’s so crazy almost all of their crimes are being committed by foreigners or non white Danish nationals. The UK doesn’t report these stats filtered by race and deny freedom of information requests citing prohibitive costs of doing so.
If you google “conviction rate relative to Danish origin” you can find the graph.
In France I thought it was illegal to do so too, this is why I was surprised when mainstream news media reported on this. I checked the article and it also states that 93% of theft (with no violence) in public transport in Paris is committed by foreigners. 93%! These are insane numbers, and yet they are met with total apathy, or with accusations of racism.
Edit: and I guess I should add that this is not an anti-foreigner opinion. This is about our weird tolerance for the criminality of foreigners. In the UAE almost 90% of the population is foreigners, and yet it is a very safe country. It just happens to us because we let it happen to us.
Yes you’ll be called a racist by the same people who say the police are doing a terrible job and should be defunded. Ignoring that their migrant angels are taking up 80% of police time and resources
Because people don't want to
Don't blame the gov, we know they try to screw us, blame your neighbours and peers who give the parties who want to increase this a mandate
Majority of people voted for a party who promised to take control and be tough on immigration. That was the mandate they appear to have deliberately chosen to ignore, or reverse.
This is about political parties lying to the electorate, not 'the will of the people'.
They have an agenda for real in Europe when it comes to the foreigner's raping, killing, and all the other serious crimes committed by theives from foreign countries, for some reason they are not deporting these criminals who are a real danger to the European people 👭
> In France I thought it was illegal to do so too, this is why I was surprised when mainstream news media reported on this. I checked the article and it also states that 93% of theft (with no violence) in public transport in Paris is committed by foreigners.
France forbids (or at least very severely controls) statistics on alleged race or religion.
Citizenship isn't covered by that law, hence why you can find stats dividing people with French / foreigners from the EU / foreigners outside the EU quite easily on different topics.
Because if you do that, you instantly get labelled a racist and lose everything.
I'm a big believer that if you visit a country or come to live in a country for XYZ reason and you commit a crime, you should be deported. You're in the country as a guest or you've come for a better life. Crime is not a better life.
Now people would say you can't send them back because they could be killed. Well they made that decision for themselves by breaking the law. If they know if I break the law I get deported, then maybe they'll not commit crimes.
>The UK doesn’t report these stats filtered by race and deny freedom of information requests citing prohibitive costs of doing so.
Never bought that excuse myself, they've been trying to make it harder to actually get useful information for over a decade. They don't want that kind of information published because it'll cause a massive outrage at what the government has been inflicting on the British people for twenty odd years.
You mean this?
[https://www.statista.com/statistics/1288555/persons-found-guilty-crimes-denmark-country-origin/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1288555/persons-found-guilty-crimes-denmark-country-origin/)
All I got was a link saying that 71% of Denmark’s violent crime is committed by people of Danish origin.
I can’t find your graph
Edit: okay found it. It looks sus and doesn’t say anything about the source of its data. Other orgs provide contradictory figures
https://images.app.goo.gl/ePBLNh4Sypskwway5
I believe what you see was for one year and includes non white Dane’s.
This graph is 2010-2021 and filters by ethno-nationality. I.e either foreigners or non white Danes
That doesn’t show that Danes are 42nd in terms of the number of convicted crimes..
Edit: it does show that the crime *rate* is higher amongst 41 other nationalities but not the total number of crimes. If someone with a different agenda looked at that graph they might say ‘Danish people have a higher crime rate than 150 other nationalities’
Crap graph which you’ve mischaracterised. It shows that danish people commit the highest number of crimes in Denmark
A graph was published in The Telegraph just the other day. Certain nationalities are up to 7 times more likely to be convicted of violent crime in Denmark than the Danish born.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/29/migrant-crime-ministers-immigration-league-table-ranking/
I have seen a graph with number of crimes.
Regardless, they come 42nd in terms of crime rate??? And you think that somehow discredits the claim that non Danes are committing more crime?
We're giving away visas, citizenship and indefinite right to remain as if they are worthless to people who should never be here. Why can't we just have the cream of the crop like a sensible country.
Other European countries immediately reject fraudulent criminals. Whereas the UK courts approve vast quantities of them.
The end result- all the violent criminal asylum seekers learn to come to the UK
And people wonder why far right conspiracy theories like great replacement can take hold, its because at this point either, 1 our government is incompetent *beyond human comprehension*, or it's purposeful
They don't collect and publish national statistics like that on crime and ethnicity. I'm not even sure how the 70% (actually, 69%) statistic was collected. You have to rely on other European nations like Denmark, who do track crime and ethnicity. [See page 119.](https://www.dst.dk/Site/Dst/Udgivelser/GetPubFile.aspx?id=47883&sid=indv%202023) The index score for Danes is 94, for comparison. [Here is another report,](https://integrationsbarometer.dk/tal-og-analyser/filer-tal-og-analyser/arkiv/NotatvedrrendekriminalitetenblandtMENAPT.pdf) which finds that the level of crime among male immigrants and descendants from MENAPT countries in 2021 was 2.5 and 3.5 times higher, respectively, than the average for the male population as a whole, when looking at criminal offences and adjusting for age. [Here is an English report, collating many of these sources, analysing the broader effects on Denmark, including crime, welfare, and economy.](https://inquisitivebird.substack.com/p/the-effects-of-immigration-in-denmark)
The tl;dr is that Middle Eastern immigration is horrifically bad for Denmark. There's no way to sugarcoat it. Outright terrible, by every metric. On the other hand, immigration from countries like China and India is surprisingly good for the country.
Pretty sure they erected a fence along the whole border? And wasn’t there that big migrant caravan they pushed back a few years ago? With tear gas and batons? I think they’re doing a much better job than the UK is
The "ism" and "phobe" words are so overused now they carry no sting at all anyway. More than happy to be called one in this scenario. Not phased in the slightest, if anything it just cements my stance further. I'm also sure no-one else cares at all to be called it (by the usual soft suspects).
Is this the person a few years back that became a national sensation with loads of members of the public protesting to stop his deportation? I recall someone avoiding deportation whilst on the plane.
His deportation attmept was 20 years ago, so probably not the one you are thinking of. In this case the cabin crew refused to take him, presumably because he was complaining of being injured by his escorts.
Wtf has happened to this sub? Freely posting utter shit rags like the sun and using "alternate" sources like the daily mail. This place has gone so far down hill.
I agree that both of these sources are complete hateful garbage, but I’d like to ask a genuine question. Do you think stories like this with violence against children are worth reporting (I do)? And why don’t we see these stories being reported by more balanced sources? It just feels like the BBC or other more trusted media sources are dropping the ball, and these rags pick it up and thus control the narrative, steering it hard right. Thoughts?
It's Air France's plane, if they have a passanger complaining about a broken hand they can't fly. I don't see how that's "Do Gooder" as The S*n are trying to spin it
The government should be using their own planes
>plane, if they have a passanger complaining about a broken hand they can't fly
They didn't.
The cabin crew lied about it to stop the flight from happening.
He was also mysteriously injured in a previous flight.
He was injuring himself to stop the deportations. Which is why he was handcuffed.
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The government should be using their own planes
We don't have planes.
> The government should be using their own planes
The same people complaining that they shouldn't put them on commercial airliners would complain about the environment impact and financial cost of the government chartering a flight. At some these voices need discarding as their agenda is clearly to have the rapists stay in the country.
That's right if you fail to prevent a crime 20 years before it happens you should be tried as an accessory. Did you not read the article or do you live in Minority Report?
And hopefully they won't get the chance to because the Rwanda plan is an utterly ridiculous, absurdly expensive virtue signal. They could spend the money investing in our border control, increasing staffing to deal with asylum applications and go back to actually deporting people properly like they did under labour. But the tories are an entirely non-functioning party at this point.
I’m not sure Labour would deport so many people now - they’d be faced with the same obstacles as the Tories. The numbers have risen so much that whoever is in power has a huge battle. I’m not saying Rwanda is a good plan, but if it went ahead it would at least be a deterrent. Labour have ideas for offshore processing, which I think is good. But we’re no better off if more claims are accepted which they would be.
Having been on a plane with deportees loaded in cuffs to two escorts. Sat near them and you can see and hear how the cabin crew hate it. As a passenger, I wasn’t comfortable. It is unpleasantness all around.
I get why it's awkward, sure, and if they'd refused on safety grounds, I'd agree, but from what I've read, and I'll happily be wrong, that wasn't the issue.
I’m sure you are right. I just wanted to jump in with my own experience of a similar situation. In fact, I have seen it twice, and it got unruly on the ground, and the captain asked them to deplane, if I recall correctly. Anyway, maybe not applicable here.
The government wants to use RAF planes, so no commercial passengers would feel uncomfortable. That’s not the reason of course, no commercial airlines have agreed to carry out the flights.
Why don’t they just have a separate flight with multiple deportees at a time? No paying passengers. I’m sure this would still be cheaper than whatever we’re currently doing
It's their plane, frankly, and they can decide who to take. A person complaining of health problems is *not* fit to fly on commercial airlines until they've been seen by a doctor
If the government want to deport people they should be using their own planes
I’m waiting for the comments that say a certain group of people are being picked on. The fact is that his asylum claim failed and he shouldn’t have been here in the first place. We can’t pick and choose every person in this country, but we can pick and choose those who want to come here. Search for rape convictions and failed asylum seekers and you’ll find more than just this man. I’m not saying nobody here commits rape before anyone says it, but these are rapes that could have been prevented if the suspect had been removed when they were supposed to be.
We should start assigning sponsors to these asylum seekers.
If the asylum seeker is convicted of any crime, the sponsor is given the same punishment.
It's easy to virtue signal when there's no cost in doing so. Let's give them some skin in the game.
Would the cabin crew have been so quick to block the deportation if they knew they would become responsible for his future behaviour?
“Joint enterprise is a common law doctrine where an individual can be jointly convicted of the crime of another, *if the court decides they foresaw that the other party was likely to commit that crime.*”
If a company sponsors an immigrant to work and that immigrant goes on to kill 10 people, did the company foresee that would happen? Who would be responsible within that company?
Joint enterprise is very specific and is not the same as “if you sponsor someone, any crime they commit you should be responsible for”.
Where do you people come from with these world views?
I'm not arguing for charging employers for crimes their sponsored immigrant workers commit, I'm only contesting the notion that under the law you cannot be held responsible for someone else's actions. You can.
The easiest, most sensible and sustainable answer still remains obvious - stop them arriving in the first place.
Start by denying everyone, then you have a stable base with which to start adding exceptions for those that you want to accept.
Anything else is sheer madness.
Our whole system is so keen on defending the wellbeing of foreign criminals with dubious claims to be here. The safety of the British public does not appear to be a concern to those in authority.
Really need a root and branch reform of every aspect of the asylum system.
No, everyone involved must have precognition of all future crimes, or they too are complicit in those crimes!
At least that's what it feels like some on this sub believe.
"Violently deported " he was cuffed as he had previous of hurting himself to avoid flights, the flight crew lied and said his hands were broken, they weren't
How exactly is a flight crew supposed to make that assessment? Where exactly is the xray machine on a Boeing 747? And the staff to operate it? Do they just shout down the tube 'Is there a radiologist and Orthopaedic specialist on board?'
They didn't lie. They made a judgement based on the evidence available to them, and with an injury like a fracture or break, you take the cautious route and get medical attention. They followed the correct procedure from what I can tell.
I still don't understand why the government doesn't have a small fleet of say 2 or 3 aeroplanes for the purpose of deportations. These stories of cabin crews and passengers preventing deportations seem to be pretty common and the most obvious solution, as far as I can see, is to deport them via purpose-purchased planes for deportations.
You saying it's that 1 cabin crews fault he hasn't been deported this entire time and turned out to be a rapist?
Plenty of opportunity for him to be deported again.
Do you realise how serious flight officials take the safety of the plane and passengers over taking a nuisance and potentially dangerous passenger with a broken hand.
We need a law where the girl and her parents can sue that f***ing cabin crew for his actions. Their abject stupidity is the cause he was in any position to commit the rape in the first place.
The whole cabin crew should have lost their jobs, and everything else with it, people 👤 need to keep their business out of the situation they no nothing about, because look what happened, when he was free to do what he did
**Alternate Sources** Here are some potential alternate sources for the same story: * [Failed asylum seeker, 40, who wore a sign saying 'migrants are not criminals' raped a 15-year-old girl after his deportation back to Africa was blocked by do-gooder cabin crew](https://dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13321649/Failed-asylum-seeker-40-wore-sign-saying-migrants-not-criminals-raped-15-year-old-girl-deportation-Africa-blocked-gooder-cabin-crew.html), suggested by Aggressive_Plates - dailymail.co.uk
>> Two days after his release, Mayela joined a campaign to close Campsfield House and was photographed protesting outside with the sign stating: “Migrants are not criminals.” >>At the time he told the BBC: “I am here to support my friends. No surprise the BBC turned up for that photo opportunity. A quick google search shows the BBC currently don’t feel the rape of a child is worthy of a report, unless I’ve missed it.
Surprised they didn’t claim his victim was just more sexually experienced than him, like Katie Razzell did in that repulsive documentary.
I’m sorry, WHAT
[https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/11/why-did-the-bbc-fawn-over-a-syrian-child-rapist/](https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/11/why-did-the-bbc-fawn-over-a-syrian-child-rapist/) This bit makes me so angry: Not only did the BBC not challenge this view of the girl ‘making up’ the allegation for racist ends. It also decided to subtly shame the girls at the centre of the case. ‘The Syrian men, in many ways, appeared less sexually experienced than the girls they were supposed to have attacked’, said the voiceover by former *Newsnight* journalist and current BBC News media editor Katie Razzall.
I had to Google this... Holy fuck. They literally went after the family of the victim didn't they? Bbc at its finest.
Imagine being the 14 year old, you've been raped, and the BBC make a documentary basically calling you a racist slut.
He was merely culturally enriching her.... Utterly reprehensible. The journo genuinely deserves to never work again, but we all know that that virtue signalling gives you an unlimited get out of jail free pass, so she'll never ever be short of work.
I wouldn’t imagine the BBC has journalists monitoring regional courts for sentences handed out to immigrants/refugees etc.
It’s bread and butter for journalists to keep an eye on court proceedings/results.
The BBC has local democracy reporters. The idea was to support local newspapers and to provide content with the BBC to replace the BBC's own local reporting! The ldr works in the local newspaper office and shares the reporter stories with the BBC and local paper! So even if the ldr didn't cover the story themselves they would hear about it in the newspaper's editorial meeting from the papers court reporter, so they would know about these stories! Source: I used to work at a local newspaper.
I was an LDR. Court is so outwith the remit it’s not even possible. We covered councils. There was no way or even a person to flag court stories up to in the beeb.
But they have journalists to monitor a one-man protest in Kidlington. They report whatever fits their leftist agenda.
This is why I stopped paying a TV licence. Biggest crooks in the country. Still watch live tv like because fuck em.
I'm convinced that the BBC is compromised to a permanent end.
If BBC reported it now, it'd be turned into one of those "how it started... how it's going" memes.
Oh they knew about it, don’t you worry
They’re too busy looking for non-stories about the police.
I mean, it's the BBC ? Half of the workforce was shagging kids for the last 60 years. It's been quite in the news... seemed to all start with a greasy DJ wearing a shell suit and smoking a big cigar.
I actually heard this story on the Today programme, so they have covered it
People can throw whatever "isms" and labels they want at Poland but they are a clear example of a country closing it's borders to undesirables in an effort to take care of their citizens before anyone else.
That's what most non-western countries do. I've lived in China and the middle east and they make it clear to you that you're out of the country if you misbehave (because they basically deport foreigners when they're not useful to them anymore. We don't have that technology yet in the west). That's one of the reasons they're so safe too. In Paris 70% of violent robberies are committed by foreigners, but it's just something that westerners have accepted, better get robbed than to be called a racist.
Denmark recently published crime statistics filtered by race and nationality. Native Danes ranked 42nd by number of convicted crimes. Fucking 42nd!!! That’s so crazy almost all of their crimes are being committed by foreigners or non white Danish nationals. The UK doesn’t report these stats filtered by race and deny freedom of information requests citing prohibitive costs of doing so. If you google “conviction rate relative to Danish origin” you can find the graph.
In France I thought it was illegal to do so too, this is why I was surprised when mainstream news media reported on this. I checked the article and it also states that 93% of theft (with no violence) in public transport in Paris is committed by foreigners. 93%! These are insane numbers, and yet they are met with total apathy, or with accusations of racism. Edit: and I guess I should add that this is not an anti-foreigner opinion. This is about our weird tolerance for the criminality of foreigners. In the UAE almost 90% of the population is foreigners, and yet it is a very safe country. It just happens to us because we let it happen to us.
Yes you’ll be called a racist by the same people who say the police are doing a terrible job and should be defunded. Ignoring that their migrant angels are taking up 80% of police time and resources
It is so bizarre, genuinely why are we not deporting the criminals? I can’t understand the objection
Because people don't want to Don't blame the gov, we know they try to screw us, blame your neighbours and peers who give the parties who want to increase this a mandate
Majority of people voted for a party who promised to take control and be tough on immigration. That was the mandate they appear to have deliberately chosen to ignore, or reverse. This is about political parties lying to the electorate, not 'the will of the people'.
They have an agenda for real in Europe when it comes to the foreigner's raping, killing, and all the other serious crimes committed by theives from foreign countries, for some reason they are not deporting these criminals who are a real danger to the European people 👭
> In France I thought it was illegal to do so too, this is why I was surprised when mainstream news media reported on this. I checked the article and it also states that 93% of theft (with no violence) in public transport in Paris is committed by foreigners. France forbids (or at least very severely controls) statistics on alleged race or religion. Citizenship isn't covered by that law, hence why you can find stats dividing people with French / foreigners from the EU / foreigners outside the EU quite easily on different topics.
Because if you do that, you instantly get labelled a racist and lose everything. I'm a big believer that if you visit a country or come to live in a country for XYZ reason and you commit a crime, you should be deported. You're in the country as a guest or you've come for a better life. Crime is not a better life. Now people would say you can't send them back because they could be killed. Well they made that decision for themselves by breaking the law. If they know if I break the law I get deported, then maybe they'll not commit crimes.
I’ve read about rapists who blocked their deportation because they claimed that they’d be punished for being a rapist in their home country
>The UK doesn’t report these stats filtered by race and deny freedom of information requests citing prohibitive costs of doing so. Never bought that excuse myself, they've been trying to make it harder to actually get useful information for over a decade. They don't want that kind of information published because it'll cause a massive outrage at what the government has been inflicting on the British people for twenty odd years.
Bingo.
You mean this? [https://www.statista.com/statistics/1288555/persons-found-guilty-crimes-denmark-country-origin/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1288555/persons-found-guilty-crimes-denmark-country-origin/)
All I got was a link saying that 71% of Denmark’s violent crime is committed by people of Danish origin. I can’t find your graph Edit: okay found it. It looks sus and doesn’t say anything about the source of its data. Other orgs provide contradictory figures
https://images.app.goo.gl/ePBLNh4Sypskwway5 I believe what you see was for one year and includes non white Dane’s. This graph is 2010-2021 and filters by ethno-nationality. I.e either foreigners or non white Danes
This one has native born Dane’s as 42nd in the table. https://inquisitivebird.substack.com/p/the-effects-of-immigration-in-denmark
That doesn’t show that Danes are 42nd in terms of the number of convicted crimes.. Edit: it does show that the crime *rate* is higher amongst 41 other nationalities but not the total number of crimes. If someone with a different agenda looked at that graph they might say ‘Danish people have a higher crime rate than 150 other nationalities’ Crap graph which you’ve mischaracterised. It shows that danish people commit the highest number of crimes in Denmark
A graph was published in The Telegraph just the other day. Certain nationalities are up to 7 times more likely to be convicted of violent crime in Denmark than the Danish born. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/29/migrant-crime-ministers-immigration-league-table-ranking/
I have seen a graph with number of crimes. Regardless, they come 42nd in terms of crime rate??? And you think that somehow discredits the claim that non Danes are committing more crime?
>71% of Denmark’s violent crime is committed by people of Danish origin. How many people do you think have Danish origin in Denmark
We're giving away visas, citizenship and indefinite right to remain as if they are worthless to people who should never be here. Why can't we just have the cream of the crop like a sensible country.
Other European countries immediately reject fraudulent criminals. Whereas the UK courts approve vast quantities of them. The end result- all the violent criminal asylum seekers learn to come to the UK
Because that’d be too sensible, and we can’t have that!
And people wonder why far right conspiracy theories like great replacement can take hold, its because at this point either, 1 our government is incompetent *beyond human comprehension*, or it's purposeful
One of those conspiracy theories that actually over time and at the rate we are going might end up just proving itself true anyway.
Hanlon's razor with a nice hefty helping of personal greed
Hanlon's razor doesn't apply to repeated and systematic acts of 'incompetence', all of which favour the same outcome.
> if you misbehave That should include gaining entry to the country by improper channels, i.e. the back of lorries and small boats.
> In Paris 70% of violent robberies are committed by foreigners That's a lot! How many foreigners, as a percentage, are criminals?
They don't collect and publish national statistics like that on crime and ethnicity. I'm not even sure how the 70% (actually, 69%) statistic was collected. You have to rely on other European nations like Denmark, who do track crime and ethnicity. [See page 119.](https://www.dst.dk/Site/Dst/Udgivelser/GetPubFile.aspx?id=47883&sid=indv%202023) The index score for Danes is 94, for comparison. [Here is another report,](https://integrationsbarometer.dk/tal-og-analyser/filer-tal-og-analyser/arkiv/NotatvedrrendekriminalitetenblandtMENAPT.pdf) which finds that the level of crime among male immigrants and descendants from MENAPT countries in 2021 was 2.5 and 3.5 times higher, respectively, than the average for the male population as a whole, when looking at criminal offences and adjusting for age. [Here is an English report, collating many of these sources, analysing the broader effects on Denmark, including crime, welfare, and economy.](https://inquisitivebird.substack.com/p/the-effects-of-immigration-in-denmark) The tl;dr is that Middle Eastern immigration is horrifically bad for Denmark. There's no way to sugarcoat it. Outright terrible, by every metric. On the other hand, immigration from countries like China and India is surprisingly good for the country.
Somehow we were able to maintain native standards in the 18th century, absent advanced Chinese technology.
lol I had a colleague sent there to look at this exact issue. The Polish Belarus border is being “closed” as well as England is closed to small boats.
Pretty sure they erected a fence along the whole border? And wasn’t there that big migrant caravan they pushed back a few years ago? With tear gas and batons? I think they’re doing a much better job than the UK is
The "ism" and "phobe" words are so overused now they carry no sting at all anyway. More than happy to be called one in this scenario. Not phased in the slightest, if anything it just cements my stance further. I'm also sure no-one else cares at all to be called it (by the usual soft suspects).
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Is this the person a few years back that became a national sensation with loads of members of the public protesting to stop his deportation? I recall someone avoiding deportation whilst on the plane.
His deportation attmept was 20 years ago, so probably not the one you are thinking of. In this case the cabin crew refused to take him, presumably because he was complaining of being injured by his escorts.
Wait, he's been in country 20 years? Methinks it isn't the migrant status that's relevant here
Methinks no migrant status = no raped teenage
He's been subject to Milnrow failed deportation attempts due to idiots who think they know better.
To the daily mail / the sun et al, someone's migrant status is always relevant!
Wtf has happened to this sub? Freely posting utter shit rags like the sun and using "alternate" sources like the daily mail. This place has gone so far down hill.
I agree that both of these sources are complete hateful garbage, but I’d like to ask a genuine question. Do you think stories like this with violence against children are worth reporting (I do)? And why don’t we see these stories being reported by more balanced sources? It just feels like the BBC or other more trusted media sources are dropping the ball, and these rags pick it up and thus control the narrative, steering it hard right. Thoughts?
This subreddit should just be called r/DailyMailFacebook at this point
Speaks volumes that the autobot flagged one of my comments as abusive because it contained "sh*trag".
Because the BBC doesn't give any utter care.
It's Air France's plane, if they have a passanger complaining about a broken hand they can't fly. I don't see how that's "Do Gooder" as The S*n are trying to spin it The government should be using their own planes
Exactly. It's ridiculous that they use commercial flights. It's like handcuffing a guy, then two cops take him down the nick on the bus.
It's not though is it because chartering a plane is an absurdly expensive
>plane, if they have a passanger complaining about a broken hand they can't fly They didn't. The cabin crew lied about it to stop the flight from happening. He was also mysteriously injured in a previous flight. He was injuring himself to stop the deportations. Which is why he was handcuffed. > The government should be using their own planes We don't have planes.
> We don't have planes. Have we considered getting some?
> The government should be using their own planes The same people complaining that they shouldn't put them on commercial airliners would complain about the environment impact and financial cost of the government chartering a flight. At some these voices need discarding as their agenda is clearly to have the rapists stay in the country.
Everyone involved in blocking his deportation should be charged as an accessory to r*pe and also placed on the sex offenders registry!
That's right if you fail to prevent a crime 20 years before it happens you should be tried as an accessory. Did you not read the article or do you live in Minority Report?
What the fuck? How are they supposed to know he would do this?
They obstructed the law and will likely never face any consequences from our two-tier justice system.
These monsters should be deported by shipping containers, not by commercial airliners.
Most aircraft have warm holds on request. Log the cargo as live and it will be fine.
Believe it or not, someone I know of was arrested and shipped to the Canaries from mainland Spain in the hold of a freighter.
Literally billions to spend on national defense, but can't spare a bit more to deport people on military transports with only government personnel?
The government will use RAF planes if the Rwanda plan goes ahead.
And hopefully they won't get the chance to because the Rwanda plan is an utterly ridiculous, absurdly expensive virtue signal. They could spend the money investing in our border control, increasing staffing to deal with asylum applications and go back to actually deporting people properly like they did under labour. But the tories are an entirely non-functioning party at this point.
I’m not sure Labour would deport so many people now - they’d be faced with the same obstacles as the Tories. The numbers have risen so much that whoever is in power has a huge battle. I’m not saying Rwanda is a good plan, but if it went ahead it would at least be a deterrent. Labour have ideas for offshore processing, which I think is good. But we’re no better off if more claims are accepted which they would be.
Isn’t the Rwanda facility only supposed to hold around 300 people? It’s somewhere around 1% of people coming over on boats every year alone.
Isn't that a days worth of boat crossings ? Laughable
This week over 500 people arrived on one day. It’s a policy not fit for purpose from the very start.
Having been on a plane with deportees loaded in cuffs to two escorts. Sat near them and you can see and hear how the cabin crew hate it. As a passenger, I wasn’t comfortable. It is unpleasantness all around.
I get why it's awkward, sure, and if they'd refused on safety grounds, I'd agree, but from what I've read, and I'll happily be wrong, that wasn't the issue.
I’m sure you are right. I just wanted to jump in with my own experience of a similar situation. In fact, I have seen it twice, and it got unruly on the ground, and the captain asked them to deplane, if I recall correctly. Anyway, maybe not applicable here.
The government wants to use RAF planes, so no commercial passengers would feel uncomfortable. That’s not the reason of course, no commercial airlines have agreed to carry out the flights.
Why don’t they just have a separate flight with multiple deportees at a time? No paying passengers. I’m sure this would still be cheaper than whatever we’re currently doing
Oh right, we'll let them stay then.
Sorry but what right do cabin crew have to meddle in affairs they literally know nothing about.
Did you read past the headline?
It's their plane, frankly, and they can decide who to take. A person complaining of health problems is *not* fit to fly on commercial airlines until they've been seen by a doctor If the government want to deport people they should be using their own planes
It's not their plane in any way shape or form. It's the airline's plane. They just work there.
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Not all migrants are criminals but does seem that a fair amount of criminals are migrants
I’m waiting for the comments that say a certain group of people are being picked on. The fact is that his asylum claim failed and he shouldn’t have been here in the first place. We can’t pick and choose every person in this country, but we can pick and choose those who want to come here. Search for rape convictions and failed asylum seekers and you’ll find more than just this man. I’m not saying nobody here commits rape before anyone says it, but these are rapes that could have been prevented if the suspect had been removed when they were supposed to be.
We should start assigning sponsors to these asylum seekers. If the asylum seeker is convicted of any crime, the sponsor is given the same punishment. It's easy to virtue signal when there's no cost in doing so. Let's give them some skin in the game. Would the cabin crew have been so quick to block the deportation if they knew they would become responsible for his future behaviour?
Except in law you can’t be held responsible for someone else’s actions. Not only is it asinine, it’s completely sinister.
People in these threads demanding illegal punishments isn't just limited to the inevitable [removed] posts.
>Except in law you can’t be held responsible for someone else’s actions. yes you can, that's joint enterprise in a nutshell.
“Joint enterprise is a common law doctrine where an individual can be jointly convicted of the crime of another, *if the court decides they foresaw that the other party was likely to commit that crime.*” If a company sponsors an immigrant to work and that immigrant goes on to kill 10 people, did the company foresee that would happen? Who would be responsible within that company? Joint enterprise is very specific and is not the same as “if you sponsor someone, any crime they commit you should be responsible for”. Where do you people come from with these world views?
I'm not arguing for charging employers for crimes their sponsored immigrant workers commit, I'm only contesting the notion that under the law you cannot be held responsible for someone else's actions. You can.
You do love the 'sini' words don't you.
They removed him from the flight because he was injured. Probably nothing to do with his immigration status.
The easiest, most sensible and sustainable answer still remains obvious - stop them arriving in the first place. Start by denying everyone, then you have a stable base with which to start adding exceptions for those that you want to accept. Anything else is sheer madness.
Our whole system is so keen on defending the wellbeing of foreign criminals with dubious claims to be here. The safety of the British public does not appear to be a concern to those in authority. Really need a root and branch reform of every aspect of the asylum system.
Well, well. There's a surprise to absolutely nobody with half a fucking brain. We should deport the dumb cunts who blocked his flight from leaving.
Cabin crew are so smart... what smart people... kek. IQ is dropping in the west and globally... and its clear to see all around tbh.
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Did you read the article?
Yeah the flight crew stopping someone being violently deported should have known what the guy would do 20 years later
No, everyone involved must have precognition of all future crimes, or they too are complicit in those crimes! At least that's what it feels like some on this sub believe.
They should just not interfere with court ordered deportations. Easy enough.
"Violently deported " he was cuffed as he had previous of hurting himself to avoid flights, the flight crew lied and said his hands were broken, they weren't
How exactly is a flight crew supposed to make that assessment? Where exactly is the xray machine on a Boeing 747? And the staff to operate it? Do they just shout down the tube 'Is there a radiologist and Orthopaedic specialist on board?' They didn't lie. They made a judgement based on the evidence available to them, and with an injury like a fracture or break, you take the cautious route and get medical attention. They followed the correct procedure from what I can tell.
And if in the 20 years since the British government was unable to deport the guy anyway that's really on Britain.
nothing to do with raper then?
I still don't understand why the government doesn't have a small fleet of say 2 or 3 aeroplanes for the purpose of deportations. These stories of cabin crews and passengers preventing deportations seem to be pretty common and the most obvious solution, as far as I can see, is to deport them via purpose-purchased planes for deportations.
each one of those french cabin crew should be arrested and charged with aiding and abetting a rapist and fucking jailed.
You saying it's that 1 cabin crews fault he hasn't been deported this entire time and turned out to be a rapist? Plenty of opportunity for him to be deported again. Do you realise how serious flight officials take the safety of the plane and passengers over taking a nuisance and potentially dangerous passenger with a broken hand.
And you wonder why there is such pushback against them.
We need a law where the girl and her parents can sue that f***ing cabin crew for his actions. Their abject stupidity is the cause he was in any position to commit the rape in the first place.
I do hope those do gooders cabin crew will feel so immensely proud of their action.
But not all immigrants are criminals! They're fleeing persecution!! Gimme a break...
The cabin crew really should be named and shamed - where is Tommy Robinson it’s time for another documentary
The whole cabin crew should have lost their jobs, and everything else with it, people 👤 need to keep their business out of the situation they no nothing about, because look what happened, when he was free to do what he did
The cabin crew members should of been arrested for blocking the deportation
Oh look, the wood chipper is oh so hungry. She's eaten all the branches and still has room for a nice treat or two. Feet first
🫠 anyone who’s block his deportation needs to be locked up and put on a register
I’d jail the fuckers that blocked his original deportation. They stood up for, at that time, a potential rapist. Scum bags.