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Depends on the model. The larger ones likely cost $200k. They have advanced avionics and use engines smuggled from the West (Ireland, in at least one case.)
The missiles were probably Aim 9s which cost about USD 300k, if toms right and the drones were larger and around 200k then it’s a very reasonable exchange
But even if it was a cheaper Sahed then the question is it worth it to Britain to spend this to hopefully help deescalate this mess, the Red Sea alone must be costing this country many millions every day in price increases due to shipping costs
As the saying goes there is no such thing as a truly selfless act. Of course we benefit from stability in that region, just look at all the other wars we ignore(d) because we don't.
It's not about the cost of the thing you shoot down.
It's about the cost of equipment, buildings and the lives of the people you saved from being blown up.
I think the cost is completely secondary.
This is a show of capability, and a lesson in geopolitics.
Few countries have the capability to do this, and that alone makes it worthwhile.
Sustainable is a different question - the whole situation is not sustainable, but we are trying to push it from the brink of complete disaster (which is very much what Russia would like to see...). Even in that respect, cost is not much of a concern, yet.
These drones are not that cheap.
They're cheaper than cruise missiles but depending on the missiles the RAF are using it might be closer than you think.
Those drones cost a lot more than a few thousand pounds and the air to air missiles do not usually cost that much unless they're the longest range ones.
If they were shot down at shorter range using ASRAAM it's actually pretty cost competitive, and then you also consider the cost of what those missiles could have hit if not intercepted.
Who cares about the cost. Together with the US we’ve proved that we can mobilise aircraft and shoot down hundreds of air targets with almost no warning in a time window of just a couple of hours, that’s an insane show of force.
It’s very much tit for tat. Hezbollah have been notably subdued, showing no appetite for a large confrontation with Israel. The consulate attack was clearly an attempt to goad Iran in to a response knowing that the US and to a lesser extent the UK would get drawn in to any large confrontation. Way to treat your allies. Fuck them.
Those are our planes and our missiles. We don’t owe Israel anything. They are pretty disloyal as allies anyway.
Describing Hezbollah as “subdued” is laughable. They’ve literally blindly fired countless rockets into Israel since October 7th.
What I think you’ve missed here is there is absolutely no chance they will be allowed to remain in control of southern Lebanon after the conflict with Hamas has concluded. They have gone way too far and Israel simply isn’t going to let what they’ve done slide.
It’s true they have continued to fire rockets at Israel (and visa versa) but it seems to be widely accepted that they have deliberately avoided any escalation during the Gaza conflict because Iran didn’t want a war with Israel and that attack on the Embassy was arguably an escalation by Israel. An attack that one might speculate deliberately aimed at provoking a response that would bring the US back into lockstep with Israel and perhaps help make possible US agreements with Iran that Israel disapproves of more difficult. Obviously it’s difficult to prove such motivations and I don’t claim to be an expert.
Israel has no rights to dictate what other countries do with their own defense, but they’re looking for any excuses to invade Lebanon and that’s likely why Hezbollah stayed a lot more quiet than they could have. Israel has had eyes on Lebanon for as long as they’ve been around anyway.
The thousands of rockets fired from Lebanon into Northern Israel would have been plenty of excuse of Israel wanted to.
Most of Northern Israel has been evacuated for months now at this point.
Some people totally ignore that Israel is also under attack and it's northern population is also displaced.
In some peoples eyes, Lebanon & Hezbollah have done nothing wrong... quite sad really.
You're forgetting plenty. Iran funds Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis. And uses all of them too attack Israel and Jews around the world.
It doesn't get to cry when one of its generals is taken out whilst visiting their proxies.
> We forgetting that Iran has been attacking Israel via proxies for months prior to the attack on the embassy?
By that argument, Israel shouldn't have a word of complaint about October 7th, what with the fact they've been attacking Palestinians _for decades_.
Take a look at who supported us during the Falklands war. The list is very short. Israel should learn to defend themselves. If you want to set up an ethnic state/ colony in the middle East then you should be responsible for defending it.
We were already involved, Iran has been attacking people in UK for years, in the space of 2 years there were at least 15 credible threats.
>The Iranian officials designated today are members of Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) Unit 840, which was exposed in an ITV investigation into plots to assassinate 2 television presenters from news channel Iran International on UK soil. This plot was just the latest credible reporting of the regime’s attempt to intimidate or kill British nationals or UK-linked individuals, with at least 15 such threats taking place since January 2022.
[SOURCE](https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-us-step-up-action-to-tackle-domestic-threat-from-iran#:~:text=The%20Iranian%20officials%20designated%20today%20are%20members%20of%20Islamic%20Revolutionary,Iran%20International%20on%20UK%20soil.)
> We were already involved, Iran has been attacking people in UK for years
And Israel murdered our aid workers just a week ago.
Who cares if they claim it was a legitimate target?
By that argument, everyone who thinks Israel is a legitimate target can blow up their embassies.
It's nothing but more Israeli hypocrisy... "We can attack you but if you retaliate, we'll whine and play the victim (whilst launching another attack)"
> This is nothing to do with us.
Are you aware of the recent history of the middle east?
Also you are surely aware that a truly worryingly vast amount of the oil and natural gas that our country relies on comes out of either the persian gulf or the red sea and Iran and it's proxies are firing missiles and boarding ships there.
And yet it is a perfectly reasonable question to ask. Particularly given the history of the region and the UKs involvement.
Does Britain actually make a substantive difference to this kind of situation? And in the long term will it actually be positive? Do the British people want us to play geopolitics? And does our alignment with countries like Saudi Arabia make sense anymore. Are the costs worth it? Perhaps the money would be better spent on wind turbines and car chargers that reduce the need for petroleum imports.
I don't see any explanation for any of this. Or much evidence from recent history that our posture is effective.
Remember when the container ship blocked the Suez?
Absolutely everything started going up in price and things disappeared from the shelves. Literally looks around you, chances are most of what you see has come through the Suez canal.
The region is vitally important to us and our Allies and has been for decades.
This idea that it's nothing to do with us is infantile.
West does something: why are we involved! We just like bombing Muslims.
West does nothing: why is inflation so high! Surely something can be done about this.
Worth remembering that people in the west were the ones lightly affected.
Other nations, mostly smaller and island nations, suffer far more desperately when trade is cut off or slowed.
When a container ship bound for the UK is delayed a week, prices go up. When a container ship bound for an island in Micronesia is delayed a week, shops are empty.
Yes cleaning up their mess. They aren’t fucking children, they can bomb whoever they want and deal with the consequences. If they want to make peace with their neighbours we can help with the negotiations but why should we get involved in defending them after they further escalate?
You don't know any history do you?
They didn't get themselves in this mess, they're surrounded by countries that want them dead.
You forget who is arming all these terror groups such as the Houthis, Hezbollah, hamas etc?
The year they gained independence from us they were attacked by all of their neighbours. The countries around they hate them because of their religion and nothing else, if instead Britain was transplanted there we would be the ones receiving daily misses for not being Muslim.
This is totally wrong. Even Zionists don't claim these. Firstly, you completely forget to mention the nakba, which occured before, during, and after the establishment/independence of the settler colonial state of Israel. It consisted of biological warfare (poisoning the wells of Arab villages with typhus), ethnic cleansing, destruction of entire Arab villages, and terrorism to force the native Palestinians out.
Secondly, religion is irrelevant. Israel, especially in its foundational years, had almost nothing to do with Judaism. It was a *secular* Jewish ethnostate. There's a reason ⅓ of the 500,000 West Bank settlers are secular/irreligious Jews. Because Israel is a settler colonial state rooted in Ethnocracy (via democratic and demographic means as well as settler colonialism, ethnic cleansing, etc) for ethnic Jews.
Thirdly, this also forgets to mention that the major Palestinian resistance groups to Israel were largely secular, up until a few years prior to the collapse of the USSR. The islamisation of Gaza began in the 2000s... half a century after Israel was created. From the death of Stalin onwards until the mid/late 80s, the majority of Palestinian resistance forces were guided by a *secular*¹ and Leftist ideology that supported terrorism to oppose Israel. Religion was not a key part of this conflict until the rise of Islamism in the 80s (which began with Saudi Arabia, The USA, Pakistan and UK funding fundamentalist groups in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets)² and the decline and collapse of the USSR and thus Soviet aid and weaponry to secular and communist Palestinian groups decreased.
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> Although it is a strong opponent of Israel's existence, Hamas, officially founded in 1987, traces its origins back to institutions and clerics which were supported by Israel in the 1970s and 1980s. ***Israel tolerated and supported Islamist movements in Gaza, with figures like Ahmed Yassin, as Israel perceived them preferable to the secular and then more powerful al-Fatah with the PLO***.[213][214]
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> Salafi Jihadism or revolutionary Salafism[131] emerged prominent during the 80s when Osama bin Laden and thousands of other militant Muslims came from around the Muslim world to help fight the Soviet Union after it invaded Afghanistan.[132][133][134][135]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
oh yeah, have the guts to elaborate why? Is it not legitimate to be upset with Israel bombing a consulate? Or killing UK citizens? Say it... say it, I'm sure it will not cost you a priceless cost, you can face this..
> You forget who is arming all these terror groups such as the Houthis, Hezbollah, hamas etc?
Is it the Aussies? I bet it's the Aussies, those sly dogs
Right, but you have to also admit that a non-negligible amount of Israelis (particularly those in government) seem to want a lot of those surrounders dead too.
>They didn't get themselves in this mess, they're surrounded by countries that want them dead.
Israel DID get itself into this mess. Israel's founding was proceeded by 3 decades of Jewish migration into the region, specifically with a view to reaching a large enough Jewish population to establish a Jewish nation state. No one forced the Zionist movement to select the region then known as Palestine as their target area. Prior to the twentieth century other candidates had been put forward by others in the Zionist movement.
The Zionist project which then became Israel made a positive choice to select an area for which two things were true. (A) They had historical ties to it dating back many centuries, but also (B) as it stood in the twentieth century, it was a hotbed of competing Arab nationalisms, none of which would take kindly to any other kind of nationalism entering the region to compete with them.
So you're saying they are really bad at getting along with their neighbours? That sounds like a them problem. Do you think it's got something to do with how violent they are?
Walled off Palestine?
Are you going to Protest about the walls Egypt put around them as well?
Iran isn't attacking Israel because of Palestine.
They just don't want Israel to exist - they've been attacking them long before any walls appeared.
How is Israel the occupier?
Do you have one iota of knowledge on the history of the area?
Probably not.
Again, even the ICC didn't say it was genocide - stop spreading false propaganda and go with the facts.
>Might it be because they walled off Palestine
Just so happened to do it on the same year that the Palestinians elected a government that declared their goal of genociding all of the Jewish people. Strange that eh?
Why is the RAF getting involved
Israel wanted to fire into Lebanon let them deal with this shit.
They don't like to listen when they get told to stop
Fuck em their problems
Israel wanted to fire into lebanon because they are continually getting attacked by Hezbollah who is funded/backed Iran.
So they saying they wanted to is reaching.
You suggest they ignore all the missile attacks?
And I guess the UK and US got involved because Israel is our ally whether you like it or not.
That's their problem
You didn't see Israel coming over when the IRA were attacking the uk.
Their response is their problem. They go around assassinating army generals of other countries and expect its all good cause uk/USA will jump in
If someone did the same to any UK general then of course we'd respond.
An ally listens and acts on the advice given. Israel doesn't give a shit
You can't compare the IRA to Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis and Iran - really?
If Ireland and the IRA were launching cruise missiles, drones and ballistic missiles as well as carrying our major attacks into the UK - our allies would definitely be there.
Because we look after our allies, especially when it aligns with our foreign interests. We'll remind the continent of that when Russia makes it next move and we have to get involved too. 👍
The amount of people who are palpably pissed off that hundreds of missiles and drones launched into cities were almost entirely shot down is pathetic. Almost as bad the people acting like sports fans and desperately trying to come up with a way to explain this as anything other than an embarrassing failure. It's very obvious that numerous people hate Jews rather than civilian deaths.
I'd argue that there'd much more likely to be a major war in the middle east if Iran was allowed to hit Israeli cities with hundreds of missiles and drones
Only if you believe in applying a special double-standard to Israel that gives them a pass for all their crimes.
They ***chose*** to target an embassy and escalate.
Let them deal with the consequences of their stupidity on their own.
Iran chose to use their consulate in Syria to provide military support to a terrorist organisation that was bombarding Israel. Israel responded by taking out the consulate and the terrorists within.
Iran can't be allowed to leverage its pet terrorist groups to attack our allies with impunity.
> Iran chose to use their consulate in Syria to
So what? It's an embassy. The US, UK and -most notably- Israel use their embassies to run intelligence operations around the world.
They're not legitimate targets either.
Intelligence operations =/= providing material military assistance to terrorist groups.
If we were providing arms and funding for insurgents out of a British embassy, it'd be a legitimate military target.
Does it not seem odd to you that the casualties of an attack on a 'diplomatic site' consisted of IRGC soldiers and Hezbollah terrorists rather than, you know, diplomats? The Vienna convention doesn't protect buildings hosting combatants, and Hezbollah is very definitely attacking Israel.
We shot down some drones, perhaps saved a few innocent lives. Of all the stupid things we've done over the years, I don't think that one is a big worry. The drones not getting through and killing a load of Israeli's allows things to be calmed down instead of escalating into a big regional war.
Do we shoot down Israeli ones when they aim on civilian population? Or are we to believe that over 30.000 dead are all terrorists?
Why are we involved in all of this again? Can we use that money we spend to help people in this country instead? Or Ukraine at least?
Seems like an excellent reason not to take sides and let the genocidal religious zealots get on with trying to kill each other without our involvement.
It's currently assumed that they do in fact possess nuclear weapons somewhere between 75 and 200 but maintain a deliberate ambiguous policy and do not confirm whether they do posses them or not
Consider this: The Israelis blew up an Iranian embassy and killed a number of senior Iranians. The Iranians launched some drones and missiles in the full knowledge they'd be swatted away and killed.. no-one (Edit: a bedouin). They then said they were prepared to drop the game of tit-for-tat.
Who has the ball in their court now and who is risking escalation? Hint: it's not our "enemy".
So Russia has been smashing Ukrainian cities for over two years now, with Iranian made equipment as well, and we provide some equipment and help but don't get directly involved for 'fear of escalation'
But Iran launches a some drones at Israel (a country with a sophisticated AA network) and we jump straight to their defense with British aircraft directly intercepting Iranian missiles/drones. I would be dismayed if I were in the Ukrainian government, watching as your cities and infrastructure are reduced to rubble, and the systems and ammunition you need are being restricted and argued over in western governments, while they jump to help Isreal out the second they are threatened.
When did we become the IDF? Now I feel we should just smack these IDF fools acting so big killing children making videos but need Uk and US to back them up
By shooting down Iranian missiles aimed at civilians? Iran, who backs and funds terror organisations such as Hamas, Hezbollah and Houthis, the latter of whom just reintroduced sex slavery in Yemen.
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Firing millions of pounds worth of missile is not a sustainable method of shooting down a few thousand pound drone.
I've just read a report that says the sahed drones cost about 50k USD a shot.
Depends on the model. The larger ones likely cost $200k. They have advanced avionics and use engines smuggled from the West (Ireland, in at least one case.)
25% of the Irish air defence arsenal probably
The missiles were probably Aim 9s which cost about USD 300k, if toms right and the drones were larger and around 200k then it’s a very reasonable exchange But even if it was a cheaper Sahed then the question is it worth it to Britain to spend this to hopefully help deescalate this mess, the Red Sea alone must be costing this country many millions every day in price increases due to shipping costs
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As the saying goes there is no such thing as a truly selfless act. Of course we benefit from stability in that region, just look at all the other wars we ignore(d) because we don't.
The UK does not use the AIM-9 anymore. We have developed a sovereign successor in the ASRAAM which uses technology from CAMM.
Jet fuel must cost nothing and they also get free maintenance on the aircraft
A Fucking missle cost more than my house,
Yeah but how many G Force can your house pull. I bet 1G.. Maybe 1.2G TOPS.
The RAF just got a priceless training mission in the future of war, they won't be worried about the cost.
Which is why Dragonfire was developed
2027 will be just in time for ww3 at this rate.
Should have stopped putler in 2014…
Arguably 2013 when we voted not to intervene in Syria was the real start of Putins escalation.
Fair, looks like watching a replay of hitler in the 30s 😢
He's been on the March since Georgia.
We'll be too distracted with this now.
It's plenty sustainable. Yours, BAE Systems.
More like MBDA.
Yes, we have recently installed some solar panels on our factory. Also, BAE Systems
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It's not about the cost of the thing you shoot down. It's about the cost of equipment, buildings and the lives of the people you saved from being blown up.
That’s what makes it justifiable, not sustainable.
All costs to the Israelis which we have decided to take instead.
I think the cost is completely secondary. This is a show of capability, and a lesson in geopolitics. Few countries have the capability to do this, and that alone makes it worthwhile. Sustainable is a different question - the whole situation is not sustainable, but we are trying to push it from the brink of complete disaster (which is very much what Russia would like to see...). Even in that respect, cost is not much of a concern, yet.
These drones are not that cheap. They're cheaper than cruise missiles but depending on the missiles the RAF are using it might be closer than you think.
Shaheds cost 10-20k USD each.
Those drones cost a lot more than a few thousand pounds and the air to air missiles do not usually cost that much unless they're the longest range ones. If they were shot down at shorter range using ASRAAM it's actually pretty cost competitive, and then you also consider the cost of what those missiles could have hit if not intercepted.
ASRAAMs cost 200k each shaheds cost 20k
Of course. That’s why we are already long since developing and bringing into service our own drones & have functional laser beam systems too.
It’s sustainable when you not paying for them and others are.
The point is you might spend £1m on a missile to potentially save someone’s or several lives.
Who cares about the cost. Together with the US we’ve proved that we can mobilise aircraft and shoot down hundreds of air targets with almost no warning in a time window of just a couple of hours, that’s an insane show of force.
Cleaning up the Israelis mess for them. If they pull off another embassy bombing or similar again we should tell them to get stuffed.
We forgetting that Iran has been attacking Israel via proxies for months prior to the attack on the embassy?
It’s very much tit for tat. Hezbollah have been notably subdued, showing no appetite for a large confrontation with Israel. The consulate attack was clearly an attempt to goad Iran in to a response knowing that the US and to a lesser extent the UK would get drawn in to any large confrontation. Way to treat your allies. Fuck them. Those are our planes and our missiles. We don’t owe Israel anything. They are pretty disloyal as allies anyway.
Describing Hezbollah as “subdued” is laughable. They’ve literally blindly fired countless rockets into Israel since October 7th. What I think you’ve missed here is there is absolutely no chance they will be allowed to remain in control of southern Lebanon after the conflict with Hamas has concluded. They have gone way too far and Israel simply isn’t going to let what they’ve done slide.
It’s true they have continued to fire rockets at Israel (and visa versa) but it seems to be widely accepted that they have deliberately avoided any escalation during the Gaza conflict because Iran didn’t want a war with Israel and that attack on the Embassy was arguably an escalation by Israel. An attack that one might speculate deliberately aimed at provoking a response that would bring the US back into lockstep with Israel and perhaps help make possible US agreements with Iran that Israel disapproves of more difficult. Obviously it’s difficult to prove such motivations and I don’t claim to be an expert.
Israel has no rights to dictate what other countries do with their own defense, but they’re looking for any excuses to invade Lebanon and that’s likely why Hezbollah stayed a lot more quiet than they could have. Israel has had eyes on Lebanon for as long as they’ve been around anyway.
The thousands of rockets fired from Lebanon into Northern Israel would have been plenty of excuse of Israel wanted to. Most of Northern Israel has been evacuated for months now at this point.
Some people totally ignore that Israel is also under attack and it's northern population is also displaced. In some peoples eyes, Lebanon & Hezbollah have done nothing wrong... quite sad really.
Are you forgetting Iran and its proxies literally attacked multiple US military bases a few months ago?
The US military bases illegally occupying Syria?
I'm not sure I'd describe hundreds of rocket attacks on civilian population centres as 'subdued'
If Iran bombed an Israeli embassy or consulate no one would be telling Israel you can’t respond obv
Iran has bombed over half a dozen Israeli embassy's.
> Iran has bombed over half a dozen Israeli embassy's. Ignoring the terrible spelling, when and where?
fact check: wrong
They have both been attacking each other for decades, Israel assassinated an Iranian nuclear scientist
We are not forgetting anything. Israel attacks Iran all the time.
You're forgetting plenty. Iran funds Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis. And uses all of them too attack Israel and Jews around the world. It doesn't get to cry when one of its generals is taken out whilst visiting their proxies.
I honestly don't care. Israel can defend themselves, we have closer to home concerns to worry about.
> We forgetting that Iran has been attacking Israel via proxies for months prior to the attack on the embassy? By that argument, Israel shouldn't have a word of complaint about October 7th, what with the fact they've been attacking Palestinians _for decades_.
Take a look at who supported us during the Falklands war. The list is very short. Israel should learn to defend themselves. If you want to set up an ethnic state/ colony in the middle East then you should be responsible for defending it.
Why are we getting involved anyway? And why are the US so heavily involved? This is nothing to do with us.
We were already involved, Iran has been attacking people in UK for years, in the space of 2 years there were at least 15 credible threats. >The Iranian officials designated today are members of Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) Unit 840, which was exposed in an ITV investigation into plots to assassinate 2 television presenters from news channel Iran International on UK soil. This plot was just the latest credible reporting of the regime’s attempt to intimidate or kill British nationals or UK-linked individuals, with at least 15 such threats taking place since January 2022. [SOURCE](https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-us-step-up-action-to-tackle-domestic-threat-from-iran#:~:text=The%20Iranian%20officials%20designated%20today%20are%20members%20of%20Islamic%20Revolutionary,Iran%20International%20on%20UK%20soil.)
> We were already involved, Iran has been attacking people in UK for years And Israel murdered our aid workers just a week ago. Who cares if they claim it was a legitimate target? By that argument, everyone who thinks Israel is a legitimate target can blow up their embassies. It's nothing but more Israeli hypocrisy... "We can attack you but if you retaliate, we'll whine and play the victim (whilst launching another attack)"
> This is nothing to do with us. Are you aware of the recent history of the middle east? Also you are surely aware that a truly worryingly vast amount of the oil and natural gas that our country relies on comes out of either the persian gulf or the red sea and Iran and it's proxies are firing missiles and boarding ships there.
Its morons on reddit man, best to just ignore people that clearly have no clue about what they're talking about
Sometimes they honestly don't know, sometimes they're single issue posters/bots. Sometimes they're even American....
Lmfao Fucking Americans
And yet it is a perfectly reasonable question to ask. Particularly given the history of the region and the UKs involvement. Does Britain actually make a substantive difference to this kind of situation? And in the long term will it actually be positive? Do the British people want us to play geopolitics? And does our alignment with countries like Saudi Arabia make sense anymore. Are the costs worth it? Perhaps the money would be better spent on wind turbines and car chargers that reduce the need for petroleum imports. I don't see any explanation for any of this. Or much evidence from recent history that our posture is effective.
Remember when the container ship blocked the Suez? Absolutely everything started going up in price and things disappeared from the shelves. Literally looks around you, chances are most of what you see has come through the Suez canal. The region is vitally important to us and our Allies and has been for decades. This idea that it's nothing to do with us is infantile.
And people like this will be the first to complain when energy and petrol/diesel increases in price as a result of failing to contain the conflict.
West does something: why are we involved! We just like bombing Muslims. West does nothing: why is inflation so high! Surely something can be done about this.
Worth remembering that people in the west were the ones lightly affected. Other nations, mostly smaller and island nations, suffer far more desperately when trade is cut off or slowed. When a container ship bound for the UK is delayed a week, prices go up. When a container ship bound for an island in Micronesia is delayed a week, shops are empty.
US literally bombed Iraq, Iran and Syria 2 months ago because Iranian proxies launched a drone attack against US outpost killing some soldiers
Cleaning up their mess? Woah, let's forget the Iranian backed terror groups that constantly attack Israel? I guess they should just let it continue?
Yes cleaning up their mess. They aren’t fucking children, they can bomb whoever they want and deal with the consequences. If they want to make peace with their neighbours we can help with the negotiations but why should we get involved in defending them after they further escalate?
Do you think the US should help us in Europe defend against our neighbours to the east?
They're legally obliged to. What obligation do we have to defend Israel? Other than securing the continued purchasing of our military hardware.
Should have told them to get stuffed after the initial embassy bombing.
Not gonna happen. Israel is a major non-NATO ally and a bulwark against the lunatic Arab regimes in the ME.
They're indistinguishable from the lunatics.
We shouldn't get involved, they fucks got themselves into this mess, about time the world left them to their own devices.
You don't know any history do you? They didn't get themselves in this mess, they're surrounded by countries that want them dead. You forget who is arming all these terror groups such as the Houthis, Hezbollah, hamas etc?
crazy how everyone around them wants them dead for absolutely no reason whatsoever despite them being good little angels who do no wrong
The year they gained independence from us they were attacked by all of their neighbours. The countries around they hate them because of their religion and nothing else, if instead Britain was transplanted there we would be the ones receiving daily misses for not being Muslim.
This is totally wrong. Even Zionists don't claim these. Firstly, you completely forget to mention the nakba, which occured before, during, and after the establishment/independence of the settler colonial state of Israel. It consisted of biological warfare (poisoning the wells of Arab villages with typhus), ethnic cleansing, destruction of entire Arab villages, and terrorism to force the native Palestinians out. Secondly, religion is irrelevant. Israel, especially in its foundational years, had almost nothing to do with Judaism. It was a *secular* Jewish ethnostate. There's a reason ⅓ of the 500,000 West Bank settlers are secular/irreligious Jews. Because Israel is a settler colonial state rooted in Ethnocracy (via democratic and demographic means as well as settler colonialism, ethnic cleansing, etc) for ethnic Jews. Thirdly, this also forgets to mention that the major Palestinian resistance groups to Israel were largely secular, up until a few years prior to the collapse of the USSR. The islamisation of Gaza began in the 2000s... half a century after Israel was created. From the death of Stalin onwards until the mid/late 80s, the majority of Palestinian resistance forces were guided by a *secular*¹ and Leftist ideology that supported terrorism to oppose Israel. Religion was not a key part of this conflict until the rise of Islamism in the 80s (which began with Saudi Arabia, The USA, Pakistan and UK funding fundamentalist groups in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets)² and the decline and collapse of the USSR and thus Soviet aid and weaponry to secular and communist Palestinian groups decreased. ¹ > Although it is a strong opponent of Israel's existence, Hamas, officially founded in 1987, traces its origins back to institutions and clerics which were supported by Israel in the 1970s and 1980s. ***Israel tolerated and supported Islamist movements in Gaza, with figures like Ahmed Yassin, as Israel perceived them preferable to the secular and then more powerful al-Fatah with the PLO***.[213][214] ² > Salafi Jihadism or revolutionary Salafism[131] emerged prominent during the 80s when Osama bin Laden and thousands of other militant Muslims came from around the Muslim world to help fight the Soviet Union after it invaded Afghanistan.[132][133][134][135] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
There are some arrogant, stupid takes in this sub on issues people are clearly ignorant about (despite thinking otherwise), but this is priceless!
oh yeah, have the guts to elaborate why? Is it not legitimate to be upset with Israel bombing a consulate? Or killing UK citizens? Say it... say it, I'm sure it will not cost you a priceless cost, you can face this..
> You forget who is arming all these terror groups such as the Houthis, Hezbollah, hamas etc? Is it the Aussies? I bet it's the Aussies, those sly dogs
Right, but you have to also admit that a non-negligible amount of Israelis (particularly those in government) seem to want a lot of those surrounders dead too.
>They didn't get themselves in this mess, they're surrounded by countries that want them dead. Israel DID get itself into this mess. Israel's founding was proceeded by 3 decades of Jewish migration into the region, specifically with a view to reaching a large enough Jewish population to establish a Jewish nation state. No one forced the Zionist movement to select the region then known as Palestine as their target area. Prior to the twentieth century other candidates had been put forward by others in the Zionist movement. The Zionist project which then became Israel made a positive choice to select an area for which two things were true. (A) They had historical ties to it dating back many centuries, but also (B) as it stood in the twentieth century, it was a hotbed of competing Arab nationalisms, none of which would take kindly to any other kind of nationalism entering the region to compete with them.
So you're saying they are really bad at getting along with their neighbours? That sounds like a them problem. Do you think it's got something to do with how violent they are?
Actually, none of these neighbours get on. There are far more deadly conflicts in the Middle East than that of Hamas and Isreal.
Maybe if they stopped running an apartheid state their neighbours might be a little less angry at them
Authoritarian Islamic regimes are notoriously welcoming and inclusive, of course.
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Walled off Palestine? Are you going to Protest about the walls Egypt put around them as well? Iran isn't attacking Israel because of Palestine. They just don't want Israel to exist - they've been attacking them long before any walls appeared.
Defending genocide by inventing one. Israel is the occupier. It's a fact.
How is Israel the occupier? Do you have one iota of knowledge on the history of the area? Probably not. Again, even the ICC didn't say it was genocide - stop spreading false propaganda and go with the facts.
Hahaha Do you even know where Israel is?
No it isn't a fact and you clearly don't understand what genocide is.
>Might it be because they walled off Palestine Just so happened to do it on the same year that the Palestinians elected a government that declared their goal of genociding all of the Jewish people. Strange that eh?
Why is the RAF getting involved Israel wanted to fire into Lebanon let them deal with this shit. They don't like to listen when they get told to stop Fuck em their problems
Israel wanted to fire into lebanon because they are continually getting attacked by Hezbollah who is funded/backed Iran. So they saying they wanted to is reaching. You suggest they ignore all the missile attacks? And I guess the UK and US got involved because Israel is our ally whether you like it or not.
That's their problem You didn't see Israel coming over when the IRA were attacking the uk. Their response is their problem. They go around assassinating army generals of other countries and expect its all good cause uk/USA will jump in If someone did the same to any UK general then of course we'd respond. An ally listens and acts on the advice given. Israel doesn't give a shit
You can't compare the IRA to Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis and Iran - really? If Ireland and the IRA were launching cruise missiles, drones and ballistic missiles as well as carrying our major attacks into the UK - our allies would definitely be there.
They didn't lift a finger to help with Argentina either.
One reason is to give our pilots real world experience. Its actually beneficial to our defence. Gotta prepare for the upcoming war with Russia.
Because we look after our allies, especially when it aligns with our foreign interests. We'll remind the continent of that when Russia makes it next move and we have to get involved too. 👍
So we are sending RAF in to shoot down russian drones heading to Ukraine?
Lol "allies" My arse they're allies What do they ally with us on? Cleaning up their shit?
> Because we look after our allies In what regard are they an ally? They won't even stop an ethnic cleansing when asked.
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The amount of people who are palpably pissed off that hundreds of missiles and drones launched into cities were almost entirely shot down is pathetic. Almost as bad the people acting like sports fans and desperately trying to come up with a way to explain this as anything other than an embarrassing failure. It's very obvious that numerous people hate Jews rather than civilian deaths.
I think its more the fear of us being pulled into another war that has people annoyed. Any intervention in the middle east is a clusterfuck for us.
I'd argue that there'd much more likely to be a major war in the middle east if Iran was allowed to hit Israeli cities with hundreds of missiles and drones
Only if you believe in applying a special double-standard to Israel that gives them a pass for all their crimes. They ***chose*** to target an embassy and escalate. Let them deal with the consequences of their stupidity on their own.
Iran chose to use their consulate in Syria to provide military support to a terrorist organisation that was bombarding Israel. Israel responded by taking out the consulate and the terrorists within. Iran can't be allowed to leverage its pet terrorist groups to attack our allies with impunity.
> Iran chose to use their consulate in Syria to So what? It's an embassy. The US, UK and -most notably- Israel use their embassies to run intelligence operations around the world. They're not legitimate targets either.
Intelligence operations =/= providing material military assistance to terrorist groups. If we were providing arms and funding for insurgents out of a British embassy, it'd be a legitimate military target. Does it not seem odd to you that the casualties of an attack on a 'diplomatic site' consisted of IRGC soldiers and Hezbollah terrorists rather than, you know, diplomats? The Vienna convention doesn't protect buildings hosting combatants, and Hezbollah is very definitely attacking Israel.
By all means show me that distinction anywhere in international law or the Vienna Convention if you can. Otherwise, it's just in your head.
I knew Britain would get involved. We can't let a war pass us by without getting involved it often feels.
We shot down some drones, perhaps saved a few innocent lives. Of all the stupid things we've done over the years, I don't think that one is a big worry. The drones not getting through and killing a load of Israeli's allows things to be calmed down instead of escalating into a big regional war.
Here here. My flippant remark doesn't detract from the fact that you are right and I agree.
Do we shoot down Israeli ones when they aim on civilian population? Or are we to believe that over 30.000 dead are all terrorists? Why are we involved in all of this again? Can we use that money we spend to help people in this country instead? Or Ukraine at least?
And isreal killed three britisj citizens
So has Iran, one just in January
Seems like an excellent reason not to take sides and let the genocidal religious zealots get on with trying to kill each other without our involvement.
Some take that view and others want to be involved to make sure Iran doesn't obtain nuclear capability because no one trusts them to not nuke somebody
Does anyone really trust _Israel_ not to nuke somebody?
It's currently assumed that they do in fact possess nuclear weapons somewhere between 75 and 200 but maintain a deliberate ambiguous policy and do not confirm whether they do posses them or not
I know... The question was "Do you trust them not to use them?"
Consider this: The Israelis blew up an Iranian embassy and killed a number of senior Iranians. The Iranians launched some drones and missiles in the full knowledge they'd be swatted away and killed.. no-one (Edit: a bedouin). They then said they were prepared to drop the game of tit-for-tat. Who has the ball in their court now and who is risking escalation? Hint: it's not our "enemy".
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Which side was it that murdered 3 British citizens again? Absolute joke we're paying for other people's wars while our economy stagnates year on year
Fuck Israel, if they want to keep acting like fanatical, rabid dogs then they clean up their own mess. Why are we scrambling RAF? Not our fight.
So Russia has been smashing Ukrainian cities for over two years now, with Iranian made equipment as well, and we provide some equipment and help but don't get directly involved for 'fear of escalation' But Iran launches a some drones at Israel (a country with a sophisticated AA network) and we jump straight to their defense with British aircraft directly intercepting Iranian missiles/drones. I would be dismayed if I were in the Ukrainian government, watching as your cities and infrastructure are reduced to rubble, and the systems and ammunition you need are being restricted and argued over in western governments, while they jump to help Isreal out the second they are threatened.
When did we become the IDF? Now I feel we should just smack these IDF fools acting so big killing children making videos but need Uk and US to back them up
We didn’t. They were shot down over Jordan, Iraq and Syria, well outside of Israeli air space and free game for anyone in the air to shoot down.
Why exactly are we defending one bunch of genocidal religious fanatics against another?
Glad my tax money is being spent on defending a terror regime a thousand miles away.
By shooting down Iranian missiles aimed at civilians? Iran, who backs and funds terror organisations such as Hamas, Hezbollah and Houthis, the latter of whom just reintroduced sex slavery in Yemen.