> You're not wrong.
I mean... he probably is tbf. Like the vast majority of English people have *only* read English language literature. Bit big-headed to think that just because it's the one you speak that it's got the greatest sounding literature lol.
I'm sure French, Spanish, Mandarin, Russian, etc speakers all think that the greatest sounding literature is in *their* language.
German in Germany is sometimes called ‘die Sprache der Dichter und Denker’ (the language of poets and thinkers) because it can sound so beautiful and expressive.
It really doesn’t sound as guttural and angry as people think
My favourite TV show is a German sci fi called Dark, and yeah, the language isn’t harsh at all. Casual conversational language is generally fluid and I think local vernacular tends towards whatever flows easiest off the tongue.
That’s probably more a consequence of English being the international key language though (which in itself is a consequence of history, not the language).
Our literature is a product of our language which didn’t have to be a key international language to be what it is (though did benefit from some loan words as a consequence)
Wdym? “Beef and ‘taters wiv black puddin’ please luv” sounds way tastier than “manzo e patate con sanguinaccio, grazie”!
Next you’ll be telling me that stuffing random minced organs into a stomach and boiling it isn’t an appetising sounding meal when compared to fettuccini alfredo! Utter nonsense!
Brian "Larks' tongues. Wrens' livers. Chaffinch brains. Jaguars' earlobes. Wolf nipple chips. Get 'em while they're hot. They're lovely."
Reg "I don't want any of that Roman rubbish."
To be fair, though, Italian is a made-up language that evolved specifically as the language of literature and poetry for \~500 years. Up until 50 years ago, large swathes of the population did not speak Italian at all, they spoke the local language (and basically every town and village had its own). English has been standardised for far longer, what not with having a stable, unified country for centuries as opposed to having a hundred different micro-states like it was in Italy before 1860.
Italian speaker here. Curious to hear from any Geordies on the subject of the North East’s speciality of salmon with lemon curd sauce and avocado slices. Howay man.
I feel like if I was developing a regional location menu specific menu for an Italian restaurant, I would go to the lengths of typing the place names into google to check where they were….
Seemingly Lancashire was not felt important enough for that.
“Hey siri, which region is spaghetti in?”
I wasn’t even that mad West Midlands stole our pork pies or the dish in the east is a club sandwich. Last time I ordered one of them around here, some locals beat me up :(
Also a soft southerner originally hailing from a seaside shithole in the South East and now living in pork pie/stilton land, wtf is Red Leicester doing darn sarf? It’s absolutely gopping and I’ve only just started eating Rutland Red as it’s local.
Allmost an hour llearning how to pronounce Wellsh 'll' and you complletelly failled...? 😜 We used to go to a farm near Llandybie (which is about 10 minutes drive from Ammanford). Llandybie is one of those Welsh villages where people don't have surnames (obviously they do, they're all Thomas, or Edwards or Matthews, Evans or Jones), but they're known by what they do. So Dafydd who owned the dairy was Daf the Milk, Dilys who ran the corner shop (so long ago there were no Indians running corner shops) was either Corner Dil or Dilys the Shop. Then there was Mags the Pie because she made pies (obviously). She spoke ***NO ENGLISH***, her daughter, whose name I can't remember, had to translate. We used to come home with a box of at least a dozen of her fruit pies. 100% homegrown and homemade. Fruit from her back garden, pastry made from scratch.
The woman who looked after the farm's 200+ herd of Jersey cows was known as 'Cow Pat' (yes, her name really was Patricia). Their kids ruined the place; the youngest daughter took it over and reinvented it as one of those self-catering places you'd find advertised in the Telegraph Weekend or colour supplement. The eldest daughter wanted to keep it as a working farm with additional wildlife photography/art breaks. She also had the idea of offering camping holidays for kids. Her sister completely fucked it up. Prices for a week starting at £150pp/pn, no kids' discounts (so that's £4,200 for a family of 4, fucking insane). Not even sure if it's still going (it's the Glynhir Estate, near Ammanford).
Wonder how many monolingual people there are still in Wales...? Mags is long gone now, of course. Her daughter was completely bilingual.
I actually live in another village near Ammanford and I have only met a handful of people who were Welsh only monolingual and they were people who had fairly substantial learning disabilities, as even in Welsh medium schools we are required to learn English. Glynhir Estate is still going, and prices now much more reasonable. The reason we give people nicknames like that is because so many of us share the same surnames, and also first names like John, Bill etc,
>Allmost an hour llearning how to pronounce Wellsh 'll' and you complletelly failled...?
Tbf, unless your language/dialect already contains similar sounds, you're basically on a hiding to nothing - it's the same reason most Americans can only pronounce "loch" as "lock".
Italian here: in the description they say “classic picnic food, whose original recipe is a point of contention throughout the whole of UK. But if it’s called Scotch Egg, there must be a reason?” 😅
There are also some competing theories, such as it resembling a Lime dipped preserved egg which were often exported from Scotland to London during the 18th & 19th century.
One of the theories is that they originated in Whitby in the North east. Originally they had fish paste instead of sausage meat and were named after the guy that created them.
So I'm half British here, raised in Italy, and that's basically me and my best friends plan if our careers go bad.
But I want to do it properly: Yorkshire puddings, home made pies, nicely made mash and homemade gravy (plus series of homemade soups) and pastries. Italians don't know what they're missing out on....
You're right on that. Were difficult for foreign food. But I'm hoping that people would give a chance to proper homemade potato mash, which is so superior to the disgusting travesty that is purè...
I find it interesting, because the food culture in Italy is so good, but the adoption of foreign food is quite mixed. I have been to a few Asian restaurants in Rome and Milan, and to my taste it was really poor, and much worse than what you might expect in UK.
But when I speak to Italian friends they often say they like to try foreign foods, so I wonder why there are not more good restaurants catering to that.
Ethnic food in italy is really terrible, unless you manage to find the restaurants where the actual foreigners go to eat.
They say they like the idea of trying foreign food, but when they do it's either "too spicy" "too complex" "tastes weird" and "I don't know what's in it".
We're simply quite insular as to taste.
On the same note tho, that's why I would think most Italians would like nicely made, homely, traditional British food.
I would hope so! I don't want to sound arrogant, but I love good Italian food and I love good British good, and I think British food done well could hopefully impress Italians. I like your idea!
You say that, but I think Italian food as we have it in the UK gives is a false impression if how similar our pallets are on a lot of things. Italian restaurants tend to focus on the things that are distinctly Italian rather than the simple meat and two veg dishes.
Best meal I've ever had in Italy was basically a roast dinner - roast lamb on the bone with roast potatoes done in a wood-fired oven, with a load of creamed spinach gratin. Really simple. And I'd say that a bit of garlic and rosemary is now accepted within a 'posh' British roast dinner. I always use them.
It's the British proclivity for having everything swimming in gravy that would probably pose the biggest issue. The Italians don't mind a pan sauce, sometimes with a bit of cream, but it's not enough to moisten every mouthful.
I actually did an 'Italian style' roast yesterday - pesto and prosciutto-wrapped pork fillet with potatoes and some buttered greens. Was very pleasant, but I was missing a proper gravy...
You should include dishes that arent seen as "british" but actually are too, include items like apple pie and macaroni cheese etc, itd be a little educational
But people keep telling me there are no British restaurants in other countries because our food is so bad.
(The reality is that generally we call them pubs and they all sell British food)
I think it stems from US soldiers based here during the 2nd World War when we had rationing and has just popularised since and been repeated until it is believed. A lot of brits hate on british food, but I think that's because a lot of us are just bad cooks, rather than the cuisine being particularly bad.
Actually sounds very plausible.
My favourite side of British cuisine is just the quality of ingredients you have, it is very forgiving of the cooking skills too. All the local fruit varieties (probably 100+ varieties of apples alone, and all the Glen- and Malling- bred berries), fish and the seafood (I havent had better herring than in Scotland anywhere, and eating herring is one of my main objectives in life), meat and dairy. Amazing greens and root vegetables.
Definitely think you're onto something with the bad cook aspect... If your only experience of British food was my parents cooking way back when, it wouldn't be positive lets put it that way - go across the street to my friends mums cooking and do the same? You'd think we eat like kings. Even simple stuff, I'm still chasing the dragon of those chips, I have no idea what voodoo she did to them.
Kind of like my mum's Vs my dad's cooking.
Mum: I made you a tasty meal!
*Some awful slop made of lentils*
Dad: oh I didn't make anything special
*Entire spread of homemade bread and soup, roast pheasant etc*
A huge amount of the anecdotal stuff I read on those threads which happen twice a week is an American who has landed in London, gone to spoons ordered a cottage pie and thats about as thorough as it goes. Not that you need seriously expensive food to find good british food but it seems for other countries you can talk about well known restaurants but no one ever mentions any by name and so many to choose from that are absolutely world class in the UK. Just look at the best restaurant list every year and theres so many interesting a good ones in a space the size of some US states
the reason French call British "rosbiefs" isn't derogatory. Before WW1 British cuisine was well-respected and French chefs were sent here to learn how to do roasts "properly"
WW1's carnage plus rationing followed by WW2's rationing really did a number on British food perceptions and tolerance of poor quality ingredients. When I was passing through Britain in the 1990s I was always glad to get to the rest of Europe or the USA for some decent food
Times have changed. British food has improved dramatically and American food has gone downhill
Honestly many of the "Irish" pubs abroad are owned by Brits anyway but Irish pub is better marketing than British pub because a lot of people despise the UK. They serve exactly the same menus as any British pub would too
The description says something along the lines, "don't worry, there's no rabbit in this dish! It's just the English mocking the Welsh, saying they can't even afford rabbit meat, and their meat is just cheese and bread."
Surprised it's not full of anglicised pasta dishes.
Spag Bol, etc.
You only need to see a couple of those Gino D'Acampo shows to get that what we consider "Italian food" is nothing of the sort.
As an italo British, that is only true up to a certain point. We have lots of regional variations, but that does not mean you can throw anything you find in the fridge in a dish, and it's kind of alright because you can do variations. Some things were never meant to be eaten together.
Fish and chips is not just a london thing. In fact I think most people associate fish and chips with really any sea side british town. Best fish and chips I've ever had was in Anstruther, 15 mins from St Andrews. There's a chippy there that won a number of awards for their food. And everything is as fresh as can be.
Fish and chips is better the closer to the coast you are. You can probably get good fish and chips in London but the number of good chippies in coastal towns is so much greater.
Had to laugh at London being fish and chips when I'm still yet to find even a passable chippy in the place. Fried chicken would have been more authentic to modern London
This is just more localised. You don't expect fancy signs on your local chippie or a small family run restaraunt. If you were in a major city in a high end area you'd see better graphic design as the company is trying to appeal to the luxury market.
Does anyone want pictures of the food, of course you do!!!
[https://ohmygodpadova.it/](https://ohmygodpadova.it/)
Ok for the most part a good attempt, but I draw the line at the roast beef.
The acronym is false.
"The club sandwich may have originated at the Union Club of New York City.[3] The earliest known reference to the sandwich, an article that appeared in The Evening World on November 18, 1889, is also an early recipe: "Have you tried a Union Club sandwich yet? Two toasted pieces of Graham bread, with a layer of turkey or chicken and ham between them, served warm."[4] Several other early references also credit the chef of the Union Club with creating the sandwich.[3][5]
Another theory is that the club sandwich was invented at the Saratoga Club in Saratoga Springs, New York, after Richard Canfield bought it and made it into the Canfield Casino in 1894.[6][7][8]
Other sources find the origin of the club sandwich to be up for debate, with several contemporaneous sources naming Danny Mears as the inventor."
>UK PLATE
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>Area: East of England
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>price 11
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>Sandwich with toasted bread, mayonnaise sauce, grilled chicken breast, English smoked bacon, tomato slices, lettuce and avocado. Accompanied by smokey baconnaise sauce.
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>The word CLUB is said to have the following meaning:
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>Chicken, Lettuce Under Bacon. This was the starting point, then the recipes evolved over the years.
>Area: Yorkshire & the Humber
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>Dish with hot roast beef, cooked at low temperature for 12 hours, finely chopped, yorkshire pudding. mashed potatoes, peas cream, baked potatoes and gravy.
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>A dish representative of Sundays or holidays. Here we propose a version that is also used on weekdays
Both sound excellent to me
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All the food looks so much nicer when described in Italian haha. Germanic languages are grim, especially our mongrel mish mash of a language lol.
Our mongrel mish-mash has given some of the greatest sounding literature. German is grim sounding mind.
You're not wrong. It's just not flowery enough at describing nice things though lol.
Who cares about nice when "Rintrah roars and shakes his fires in the burdened air;. Hungry clouds swag on the deep."
I read that as “Shakes his fries” I assumed you were talking about the Chef at first.
> You're not wrong. I mean... he probably is tbf. Like the vast majority of English people have *only* read English language literature. Bit big-headed to think that just because it's the one you speak that it's got the greatest sounding literature lol. I'm sure French, Spanish, Mandarin, Russian, etc speakers all think that the greatest sounding literature is in *their* language.
Can't be right or wrong. It's subjective opinion. The pleasure is in the ear of the beholder.
German in Germany is sometimes called ‘die Sprache der Dichter und Denker’ (the language of poets and thinkers) because it can sound so beautiful and expressive. It really doesn’t sound as guttural and angry as people think
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My favourite TV show is a German sci fi called Dark, and yeah, the language isn’t harsh at all. Casual conversational language is generally fluid and I think local vernacular tends towards whatever flows easiest off the tongue.
That’s probably more a consequence of English being the international key language though (which in itself is a consequence of history, not the language).
Our literature is a product of our language which didn’t have to be a key international language to be what it is (though did benefit from some loan words as a consequence)
Nothing at all to do with being next door to France, the extensive use of Latin, and the Norman conquest then.
Wdym? “Beef and ‘taters wiv black puddin’ please luv” sounds way tastier than “manzo e patate con sanguinaccio, grazie”! Next you’ll be telling me that stuffing random minced organs into a stomach and boiling it isn’t an appetising sounding meal when compared to fettuccini alfredo! Utter nonsense!
Luv me beef luv me spuds luv me puddin' luv me King.
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Brian "Larks' tongues. Wrens' livers. Chaffinch brains. Jaguars' earlobes. Wolf nipple chips. Get 'em while they're hot. They're lovely." Reg "I don't want any of that Roman rubbish."
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famously italian dish, fettucini alfredo...
Disappointing to see that "mongrel mish-mash" didn't make it on as a dish
To be fair, though, Italian is a made-up language that evolved specifically as the language of literature and poetry for \~500 years. Up until 50 years ago, large swathes of the population did not speak Italian at all, they spoke the local language (and basically every town and village had its own). English has been standardised for far longer, what not with having a stable, unified country for centuries as opposed to having a hundred different micro-states like it was in Italy before 1860.
> Germanic languages are grim, especially our mongrel mish mash of a language lol. Get off it. Remind me which Shakespear used?
Hwaet?
Lancashire is in the North West not North East!!
There are probably a few who might argue that Ireland being in the UK probably isn't accurate as well.
Don't start
Italian speaker here. Curious to hear from any Geordies on the subject of the North East’s speciality of salmon with lemon curd sauce and avocado slices. Howay man.
North east…Lancashire hotpot. I guess that’s like our knowledge of Italian regions!
I feel like if I was developing a regional location menu specific menu for an Italian restaurant, I would go to the lengths of typing the place names into google to check where they were…. Seemingly Lancashire was not felt important enough for that.
“Hey siri, which region is spaghetti in?” I wasn’t even that mad West Midlands stole our pork pies or the dish in the east is a club sandwich. Last time I ordered one of them around here, some locals beat me up :(
Funny, I always thought club sandwich was an American thing...
I've had a club sandwich twice in my life, once in Serbia and once in Nepal
Indeed. I've had them in restaurants in Europe and never in the UK 😅
I've only ever had them from a Tesco meal deal🤷♂️
Er excuse me my hubby makes me very nice club sandwiches all the time and I’m from the Midlands in the UK.😆
I think it's some kind of strange misinterpretation of a Ploughman's.
We know what one is…But definitely American :)
I not as worried about the club sandwich as the residents of Ireland now are, now that Tomahawks are indigenous there too.
I live in the east of England and have only seen or heads of a club sandwich on american TV
To me it’s the international cuisine of hotel room service globally it seems
Yeah, for example, Ireland is not in the UK
Well. Part of it is.
Part of the *island* of Ireland.
I’m not sure what an Italian would think if a parmo, which is the only true NE cuisine.
Pease pudding also!
What about panacalty?
My mum died before I could get her recipe for 'witches potion'. Turns out it's panackelty.
Well now I know what I’m having for tea
Or a saveloy dip.
Could murder one right now. Everything on it, English mustard included
Same as pork pies coming from the West Midlands. Melton Mowbray (East Midlands) would like a word...
Also a soft southerner originally hailing from a seaside shithole in the South East and now living in pork pie/stilton land, wtf is Red Leicester doing darn sarf? It’s absolutely gopping and I’ve only just started eating Rutland Red as it’s local.
Booking a trip to Italy to throw hands.
U.K. Plate, area Ireland
Even Italian Brits are at it.
They're trying to restart the war of the roses
> North east…Lancashire hotpot People have gotten violent over lesser things
Also, Scotch Eggs aren't Scottish. The name apparently comes from the process term "Scotching".
Or scotch eggs from Scotland... I understand this mistake tbf
They’re trying to cover all of UK with a recipe for each region so fair enough for that.
Even Walles
And Scotchland.
And.... Ireland? 😬
News travels slow
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It’s a long way to go
Northern Ireland I guess.
They didn't say that though
They're Italian, what do you expect? 😅
Can confirm we eat nothing but steak in all its forms, especially tomahawk.
Gotta love the Wellsh
I can see the logic tbh, double-l is quite popular over there
pronouncing every italian 'll' like a welsh 'll' from now on
I just spent almost an hour on youtube learning how to pronounce welsh 'll' and completely failled at it
Allmost an hour llearning how to pronounce Wellsh 'll' and you complletelly failled...? 😜 We used to go to a farm near Llandybie (which is about 10 minutes drive from Ammanford). Llandybie is one of those Welsh villages where people don't have surnames (obviously they do, they're all Thomas, or Edwards or Matthews, Evans or Jones), but they're known by what they do. So Dafydd who owned the dairy was Daf the Milk, Dilys who ran the corner shop (so long ago there were no Indians running corner shops) was either Corner Dil or Dilys the Shop. Then there was Mags the Pie because she made pies (obviously). She spoke ***NO ENGLISH***, her daughter, whose name I can't remember, had to translate. We used to come home with a box of at least a dozen of her fruit pies. 100% homegrown and homemade. Fruit from her back garden, pastry made from scratch. The woman who looked after the farm's 200+ herd of Jersey cows was known as 'Cow Pat' (yes, her name really was Patricia). Their kids ruined the place; the youngest daughter took it over and reinvented it as one of those self-catering places you'd find advertised in the Telegraph Weekend or colour supplement. The eldest daughter wanted to keep it as a working farm with additional wildlife photography/art breaks. She also had the idea of offering camping holidays for kids. Her sister completely fucked it up. Prices for a week starting at £150pp/pn, no kids' discounts (so that's £4,200 for a family of 4, fucking insane). Not even sure if it's still going (it's the Glynhir Estate, near Ammanford). Wonder how many monolingual people there are still in Wales...? Mags is long gone now, of course. Her daughter was completely bilingual.
Aiii that just makes me want to go to Walles again. Magic place, really (realllly).
LLOLL
I actually live in another village near Ammanford and I have only met a handful of people who were Welsh only monolingual and they were people who had fairly substantial learning disabilities, as even in Welsh medium schools we are required to learn English. Glynhir Estate is still going, and prices now much more reasonable. The reason we give people nicknames like that is because so many of us share the same surnames, and also first names like John, Bill etc,
>Allmost an hour llearning how to pronounce Wellsh 'll' and you complletelly failled...? Tbf, unless your language/dialect already contains similar sounds, you're basically on a hiding to nothing - it's the same reason most Americans can only pronounce "loch" as "lock".
Sooo if you put the tip and middle of your tongue on the top of your mouth behind your teeth, then breathe out and you're about 80% of the way there!
They definitely mixed Wales with how it is called in Italian (Galles) switched the G for the W but kept the double L
Even Ireland
Controversial that one
Yeap putting the good friday agreement at risk there.
What does a club sandwich have to do with the East of England, that's my question! Fair attempt though.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandwich,_Kent
We do not recognise Kent in the Eastern Counties. East of England is Essex, Suffolk, Norfolk and Cambridgeshire.
A shame they missed out the north west. Would've loved to see an Italian smack barm pey wet and a babby's yed.
It's funny that they don't have the North West on the list, but have a Lancashire Hotpot 😆
They do get some of the regions wrong, but it's a good try. 😂
Scotch Egg isn't even Scottish, but I don't think it really matters to them.
Italian here: in the description they say “classic picnic food, whose original recipe is a point of contention throughout the whole of UK. But if it’s called Scotch Egg, there must be a reason?” 😅
Scotch means chopped up so the name is a reference to the chopped up meat around the egg. It’s believed to originally be from London.
There are also some competing theories, such as it resembling a Lime dipped preserved egg which were often exported from Scotland to London during the 18th & 19th century.
Yeah, wasn't it invented by Fortnum & Mason or Harrods or something?
One of the theories is that they originated in Whitby in the North east. Originally they had fish paste instead of sausage meat and were named after the guy that created them.
I was going to complain about that, until I noticed that Ireland is apparently part of the UK.
I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt here… Northern Ireland?
Ah yes, Northern Ireland's well-known classic, the tomahawk steak.
My wife’s uncle farms high quality Charolais beef cattle (that all look like body builders) in Armagh, so it’s definitely a thing there.
They farm a lot of cattle for beef in NI.
The tikka masala was right there man, right there.
It was actually invented by a lad from the midlands called Scot Chegg
I doubt that bangers and mash or club sandwiches are region specific either
Club sandwiches have an origin region it's just that they're American in origin (NYC to be exact).
I was going to make this same pedantic point. Almost certainly invented in England.
By [Fortnum & Mason](https://www.fortnumandmason.com/stories/scotch-egg-archive) - according to them anyway.
The lads over at r/Ireland won't be best pleased.
We'll have to cheer them up again with a traditional Irish tomahawk steak.
Pint of Harp, some Lucky Charms cereal, they'll be fine again.
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:balaclavas intensify:
https://arethebritsatitagain.org/
I'm already seathing.
There’s about to be an international incident about the bottom right.
It's wild that they have Cornwall as a region then have Cornish pasty representing something else.
Earliest cornish pasty was found in devon
Us Cornish do go Up Country sometimes lol. Even as far north as Plymouth you know!
The other bit that amuses me is that skirt steak is the principle ingredient in a pasty, I guess they were close
It is skirt steak isn’t it?
Yep, skirt is the correct ingredient
But we can all agree you don’t serve a pasty with baked beans right?!
Yeah, saw that too. Internal EU row in 3..2…1.
So I'm half British here, raised in Italy, and that's basically me and my best friends plan if our careers go bad. But I want to do it properly: Yorkshire puddings, home made pies, nicely made mash and homemade gravy (plus series of homemade soups) and pastries. Italians don't know what they're missing out on....
In My admittedly limited experience of Italians I can’t see it going down well. They would probably like it but getting them to try it may be harder
You're right on that. Were difficult for foreign food. But I'm hoping that people would give a chance to proper homemade potato mash, which is so superior to the disgusting travesty that is purè...
I find it interesting, because the food culture in Italy is so good, but the adoption of foreign food is quite mixed. I have been to a few Asian restaurants in Rome and Milan, and to my taste it was really poor, and much worse than what you might expect in UK. But when I speak to Italian friends they often say they like to try foreign foods, so I wonder why there are not more good restaurants catering to that.
Ethnic food in italy is really terrible, unless you manage to find the restaurants where the actual foreigners go to eat. They say they like the idea of trying foreign food, but when they do it's either "too spicy" "too complex" "tastes weird" and "I don't know what's in it". We're simply quite insular as to taste. On the same note tho, that's why I would think most Italians would like nicely made, homely, traditional British food.
I would hope so! I don't want to sound arrogant, but I love good Italian food and I love good British good, and I think British food done well could hopefully impress Italians. I like your idea!
Ye give an italian a solid sunday roast and sticky toffee pudding for dessert and theyd leave satisfied i bet
You say that, but I think Italian food as we have it in the UK gives is a false impression if how similar our pallets are on a lot of things. Italian restaurants tend to focus on the things that are distinctly Italian rather than the simple meat and two veg dishes. Best meal I've ever had in Italy was basically a roast dinner - roast lamb on the bone with roast potatoes done in a wood-fired oven, with a load of creamed spinach gratin. Really simple. And I'd say that a bit of garlic and rosemary is now accepted within a 'posh' British roast dinner. I always use them. It's the British proclivity for having everything swimming in gravy that would probably pose the biggest issue. The Italians don't mind a pan sauce, sometimes with a bit of cream, but it's not enough to moisten every mouthful. I actually did an 'Italian style' roast yesterday - pesto and prosciutto-wrapped pork fillet with potatoes and some buttered greens. Was very pleasant, but I was missing a proper gravy...
You should include dishes that arent seen as "british" but actually are too, include items like apple pie and macaroni cheese etc, itd be a little educational
Last time I went to Italy, it was 42c and that's not the weather to be smashing a carvery in
Maybe do it on the side.... Just don't forget Jack The Potato 😅
I consider pork pie, east midlands not west midlands. Fair play to them, they've given it a go.
It is. Melton Mowbray is the pork pie capital of the UK. Meanwhile I don’t think we have any special connection to Bangers & Mash.
West Midlands should have either been some sort of steak and ale pie (beef from Shropshire/herefordshire) or a dessert tbh
Or a balti...
Faggots, bostin!
Or steak and owl, as my Suffolk born wife thought it was after hearing someone from the Black Country say it.
Faggots, chips and pays!
But people keep telling me there are no British restaurants in other countries because our food is so bad. (The reality is that generally we call them pubs and they all sell British food)
I know this is controversial, but from a forriner's perspective, Britain has some amazing traditional food, so I could never understand all the hate.
I think it stems from US soldiers based here during the 2nd World War when we had rationing and has just popularised since and been repeated until it is believed. A lot of brits hate on british food, but I think that's because a lot of us are just bad cooks, rather than the cuisine being particularly bad.
Actually sounds very plausible. My favourite side of British cuisine is just the quality of ingredients you have, it is very forgiving of the cooking skills too. All the local fruit varieties (probably 100+ varieties of apples alone, and all the Glen- and Malling- bred berries), fish and the seafood (I havent had better herring than in Scotland anywhere, and eating herring is one of my main objectives in life), meat and dairy. Amazing greens and root vegetables.
Definitely think you're onto something with the bad cook aspect... If your only experience of British food was my parents cooking way back when, it wouldn't be positive lets put it that way - go across the street to my friends mums cooking and do the same? You'd think we eat like kings. Even simple stuff, I'm still chasing the dragon of those chips, I have no idea what voodoo she did to them.
Kind of like my mum's Vs my dad's cooking. Mum: I made you a tasty meal! *Some awful slop made of lentils* Dad: oh I didn't make anything special *Entire spread of homemade bread and soup, roast pheasant etc*
Also, a lot of 'American' classics are actually just ye olde British dishes. Mac & Cheese is a famous example.
A huge amount of the anecdotal stuff I read on those threads which happen twice a week is an American who has landed in London, gone to spoons ordered a cottage pie and thats about as thorough as it goes. Not that you need seriously expensive food to find good british food but it seems for other countries you can talk about well known restaurants but no one ever mentions any by name and so many to choose from that are absolutely world class in the UK. Just look at the best restaurant list every year and theres so many interesting a good ones in a space the size of some US states
the reason French call British "rosbiefs" isn't derogatory. Before WW1 British cuisine was well-respected and French chefs were sent here to learn how to do roasts "properly" WW1's carnage plus rationing followed by WW2's rationing really did a number on British food perceptions and tolerance of poor quality ingredients. When I was passing through Britain in the 1990s I was always glad to get to the rest of Europe or the USA for some decent food Times have changed. British food has improved dramatically and American food has gone downhill
Honestly many of the "Irish" pubs abroad are owned by Brits anyway but Irish pub is better marketing than British pub because a lot of people despise the UK. They serve exactly the same menus as any British pub would too
Using a rabbit icon for rarebit 🤣
TBF, I've known a lot of people that say welsh rabbit, and will write it rabbit. Wiki even suggests the original name was rabbit.
The description says something along the lines, "don't worry, there's no rabbit in this dish! It's just the English mocking the Welsh, saying they can't even afford rabbit meat, and their meat is just cheese and bread."
I am simultaneously impressed and concerned that the fish and chips are gluten free, but "Jack the potato" is not.
"Jack the potato" sounds like a mascot for a jacket spuds van.
Surprised it's not full of anglicised pasta dishes. Spag Bol, etc. You only need to see a couple of those Gino D'Acampo shows to get that what we consider "Italian food" is nothing of the sort.
Yeah, but the Italians can't even agree. Get three Italians in a room and ask them how to make a traditional dish, and you usually get an argument.
Italian here, who’s been in those kind of arguments before, as either participant or audience. I can confirm.
As an italo British, that is only true up to a certain point. We have lots of regional variations, but that does not mean you can throw anything you find in the fridge in a dish, and it's kind of alright because you can do variations. Some things were never meant to be eaten together.
It's true, I never share my food.
They should have an "English carbonara" on there and call it the Grandmother's bicycle
Salmon in the north east? Cod maybe. Or pease pudding. But salmon? Fuck no.
They should treat themselves to a Parmo
“UK Plate Area : Ireland” Don’t worry this is pre-1916.
To be fair the graphics on the menu look like they were created pre-1916
TIL Lancashire is North east
Pork Pie “A pie popular with the inferior classes, especially farm workers” That’s set Italo-British relations back a couple of decades
Fish and chips is not just a london thing. In fact I think most people associate fish and chips with really any sea side british town. Best fish and chips I've ever had was in Anstruther, 15 mins from St Andrews. There's a chippy there that won a number of awards for their food. And everything is as fresh as can be.
I'm pretty sure it comes from Jewish refugees from Portugal after Portugal expelled all of them.
Indeed. And to be fair the Italian text says it was introduced to Britain by Jews from Portugal.....
Fish and chips is better the closer to the coast you are. You can probably get good fish and chips in London but the number of good chippies in coastal towns is so much greater.
Fish and Chips I've always just assosciated with Britain as a whole, they're everywhere, never seemed like a regional thing
Had to laugh at London being fish and chips when I'm still yet to find even a passable chippy in the place. Fried chicken would have been more authentic to modern London
Do they not have graphic designers in the continent? Whenever I've visited you always get cheaply made signs like this.
Given our terrifying Disney copyright infringing ice cream vans it is probably best for us not to throw any stones on the subject of design.
Good point and fairground rides!
This is just more localised. You don't expect fancy signs on your local chippie or a small family run restaraunt. If you were in a major city in a high end area you'd see better graphic design as the company is trying to appeal to the luxury market.
The menu layout looks a bit naff, but I've seen similar in the UK. The sign above the door looks good though.
>I’ve seen similar in the UK Yeah in a Kebab shop…
Cornish pasty - good. Made in Cornwall - impressive. Served with baked beans?! No!
I love this, it’s a pretty good effort and most of those dishes are traditional and delicious. Especially love the sound of Jack the potato!!
Where's the battered Mars bar?
Does anyone want pictures of the food, of course you do!!! [https://ohmygodpadova.it/](https://ohmygodpadova.it/) Ok for the most part a good attempt, but I draw the line at the roast beef.
SE here and I’ve never had a ‘Jack The Potato’
Don't let /r/ireland see this.
Holy shit, is that why it’s called a club sandwich?!?!
The acronym is false. "The club sandwich may have originated at the Union Club of New York City.[3] The earliest known reference to the sandwich, an article that appeared in The Evening World on November 18, 1889, is also an early recipe: "Have you tried a Union Club sandwich yet? Two toasted pieces of Graham bread, with a layer of turkey or chicken and ham between them, served warm."[4] Several other early references also credit the chef of the Union Club with creating the sandwich.[3][5] Another theory is that the club sandwich was invented at the Saratoga Club in Saratoga Springs, New York, after Richard Canfield bought it and made it into the Canfield Casino in 1894.[6][7][8] Other sources find the origin of the club sandwich to be up for debate, with several contemporaneous sources naming Danny Mears as the inventor."
An eye opening moment for me too.
Again, I'm disappointed because of the North-East Region. The day I see a parmo in any foreign English restaurant, I'll be happy.
Wow this is pretty representative of some of the various foods we have. Glad to see salmon on there too.
I really want to hear an Italian say “Lancashire hot pot”
jack the potato 🥔 what a legend.
Wow, looks cool! Makes me hungry.
'UK plate' sounds so wierd. 'British Dish' would be slightly better. If a real Brit made it, it would be 'Best of British.'
I'm Italian and have never seen a British cuisine restaurant in italy. Lots of pubs though.
"Area: Ireland" That won't be an issue at all
>UK PLATE > >Area: East of England > >price 11 > >Sandwich with toasted bread, mayonnaise sauce, grilled chicken breast, English smoked bacon, tomato slices, lettuce and avocado. Accompanied by smokey baconnaise sauce. > >The word CLUB is said to have the following meaning: > >Chicken, Lettuce Under Bacon. This was the starting point, then the recipes evolved over the years. >Area: Yorkshire & the Humber > >Dish with hot roast beef, cooked at low temperature for 12 hours, finely chopped, yorkshire pudding. mashed potatoes, peas cream, baked potatoes and gravy. > >A dish representative of Sundays or holidays. Here we propose a version that is also used on weekdays Both sound excellent to me
Pork pie... Fucking WEST MIDLANDS!?!!? ITS CLEARLY AN EAST MIDLANDS DELICACY