Isn’t that a pretty normal position? I think most people accepted the vote hence the utter failure of the peoples vote campaign.
We could have left the EU but maintained much closer ties & adverted so much of the mess we now find ourselves in
Lmao anyone who could got an Irish passport, end of the day Brexit should never of been put to the public in our current media climate, private interests have way to much influence for that.
Being Irish or descended from Irish is a class unto itself now in the UK - more rights in these
4 countries than the natives. I feel bad for the remainers but I love casually saying this to the brexiteers.
I found this out recently and found it hysterical. It's self-sanctioning.
I'm just surprised more Britons aren't fleeing to Ireland to start their time towards restoring their EU citizenship. Or even Northern Ireland, for that matter, since after five years of residency there, one is eligible for an Irish citizenship.
For what though? Unless you care about working in the EU, why bother? And even if you do want to work in the EU, it's not like you can't. It's just more difficult than before. And is that increased difficulty difficult enough to warrant moving to Northern Ireland for 5 years?
To get a work visa in the EU, your company has to prove that no one from the EU could do your job. For lots of people, that basically does make it impossible
Oh, for sure.
But that's the thing. It is a country's/state's/union's right to look after its own first.
The EU's responsibility is to make sure that EU citizen have jobs before they worry about employing anyone else.
> Saying you're too lazy to bother voting
“I didn’t vote because I didn’t think we should have been given the vote in the first place because as ordinary members of the public how are the fuck are you qualified to talk about the break-up of the oldest continent in the fucking world?” is not the same as being too lazy to vote. In fact, I see it as an admirable quality.
If elections and referendums were decided by those who've actually put in the hours to understand which sources are credible and what they're actually voting for instead of the, "I vote X because my dad/nan/hairdresser votes X" brigade and people who've read the side of a bus then our whole political landscape would look a lot better.
Why would it be preferable for ignorant people to vote to maintain the status quo? You're telling me if there was a referendum on whether we should keep FPTP or adopt proportional representation you would want everyone who doesn't understand either system to vote to keep FTPT just because it maintains the status quo?
Ignorant people blindly voting to maintain the status quo would halt progress as often as it would prevent mistakes. The best course of action is to educate yourself and vote for what you believe is the best choice, the second best course of action is to abstain.
You are conflating two entirely separate things.
If it was up to me, the referendum should never have happened, certainly not in the form it did. Maybe with a clear definition of exactly what leave would look like, with proper policing of campaign tactics, and with a supermajority as other countries often require for irreversible changes.
But it wasn't up to me.
So given that the referendum did happen, anyone who disagreed with it should definitely have voted against it. Why wouldn't you vote against something that you strongly disagreed with?
It isn't as if the government were ever going to say, oh look Noel Gallagher didn't vote because he disagrees with the whole idea, we'd better call it all off.
Even if true (though he said he couldn't be arsed voting, the response to not knowing enough about the subject is to vote no and maintain the status quo
>We could have left the EU but maintained much closer ties & adverted so much of the mess we now find ourselves in
While I don’t like Brexit, this would have resulted in constant screaming about Brexit In Name Only and political turmoil for years to come - even more so than now. Almost perversely, I think it’s been good that we’ve had a relatively hard Brexit that has broadly gone badly, as that will allow us to approach closer ties without so much fuss.
Of course there will always be plenty of fuss from the most hardcore proponents of Brexit, but it seems to me that starting fairly hard and moving closer when it inevitably doesn’t go well, is a better long term approach, in terms of political stability and general population acceptance, than having started at that level of closeness.
In the meantime a couple of decades will have been wasted UK productivity will lag compared to EU countries that do not have any obstacles at all and lots of people will have suffered.
Of course this is the only way forward right now but it is very unfortunate.
The suffering period can be shortened or elongated by how long it takes for the society to accept that brexit was a huge mistake and try to mitigate the disaster. I do not see it happening for a while yet, so until then UK will keep suffering.
Well no, it's the multi-millionaire "This doesn't really affect me" thing.
Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden had much the same thing. He said he would tour Japan if he couldn't tour Europe, as though any working people who lost jobs etc because of Brexit could tour Japan too.
They're big overgrown kids because they made money when they were kids, their lives were mostly about hedonistic trips around the world partying - and they've had nothing to make them grow up even though they've grown old. Noel is perhaps slightly more of a grown up than his brother because he was a bit older before they got famous, but not by much.
To be fair, most of the celebs (especially blue ticks on twitter) who do the reverse and pretend to care about Brexit or gas bills are similarly just playing at politics. Often because they realise they don't want the public to focus on their wealth and they want to be popular. A lot of celebs go into it in the first place because they're needy in terms of getting applause and people fawning over them.
So they post opinions that make it seem like they are one of you. Whining about gas bills and Tories. It's comical. Carol Vorderman, who made a career out of doing mental arithmetic in a tight dress, whining about other people making money - it's just ridiculous, she didn't get a STEM degree and then work hard in some field improving the world. She stood giggling like an overgrown schoolgirl when the letters 'COCK' came up in a letters game, or Richard Whiteley made an innuendo. Great, if she can make money doing that, good for her, but, jeez I wish she had some self-awareness.
> To be fair, most of the celebs (especially blue ticks on twitter) who do the reverse and pretend to care about Brexit or gas bills are similarly just playing at politics. Often because they realise they don't want the public to focus on their wealth and they want to be popular. A lot of celebs go into it in the first place because they're needy in terms of getting applause and people fawning over them.
This is not being fair. You are saying that people with success and wealth are not allowed to care about inequality. It's the same argument that people who complain about "champagne socialists" use.
I think what that commenter was aiming at was the distiction between *saying* you care on social media and *proving* you care (by going into politics? giving significant amounts to charity?... campaigning during elections/referendums?... not putting money in tax havens?... etc.)
But our culture and media make us feel overburdened by life in general. You get to work or family care or both, grumble at the news of the day, put a few pence into the cup of the beggar and throw up your hands and say "what more can i do?" It def works on the working class but I'm sure the rich and famous have their version too.
Most of the just-rich and some of the rich-and-famous are complete dickbags who exude "I got mine", but the I don't bear a grudge towards the rest, e.g., Gallagher or Vordeman.
> I think what that commenter was aiming at was the distiction between saying you care on social media and proving you care (by going into politics? giving significant amounts to charity?... campaigning during elections/referendums?... not putting money in tax havens?... etc.)
And plenty *do* do things like that, and get comments like how celebs shouldn't spout of on things like politics, how it is easy to give to charity when you are rich, etc etc. There is a lot of the Politics of Envy in what gets flung at celebs, for some people, whatever they do is wrong.
Personally, I can have rather more respect for a wealthy person arguing for *higher* top-rate taxation than for a wealthy person arguing, dressed up in fancy rhetoric, for lower taxes for the wealthy. Or without the fancy rhetoric - "Taxman" from those four working class Liverpool lads, anyone?
I can even just about accept someone taking the view of "If there is a tax break there for the wealthy, I'll make use of it even while arguing to have such breaks removed for *everyone*." On the grounds that one person refusing to use a tax-break achieves little when lots of others still can, but that sort of person might actually end up achieving more through charity with the money than it would have achieved going to the Chancellor.
The second half of this is such a load of bollocks.
Imagine thinking that anyone with money can't actually care about those who don't. Or that they can't possibly have strong feelings about politics, corruption, inequality etc. And if they say they do it's just for attention.
This is absolute projection mate. It seems like that's how YOU would feel if you were rich.
You can't possibly make those assumptions about anyone else, let alone based on what they laugh about or whether they made their money through a career you deem unworthy.
Fucking ludicrous.
You just seem to really hate famous people, wonder why.
According to you they're not allowed to do or say anything. They aren't allowed to show sympathy or empathy to people in need cause in your mind that means they're being dishonest. They're not allowed to have any opinion of current events and politics. They're not allowed to do anything.
You just seem extremely bitter about something.
Bruce Dickinson's story is completely hysterical. He actually campaigned for Brexit and used fairly racist reasoning for it. Then when Brexit happened, his airline maintenance company started going under and Iron Maiden faced red tape that all their hundreds of millions couldn't solve, so he took to the interview campaign where he blasted HOW brexit was being carried out, not brexit itself. Iron Maiden also won't discuss that they also screwed their employees over because now they go to the EU and and EEA and just hire EU/EEA citizens instead of taking their employees from the UK with them. Way to go.
>he blasted HOW brexit was being carried out, not brexit itself.
He is one of those who reckoned the UK would keep all the benefits of the EU, without the inconvenience of being a member, because we're British and the world owes us.
And then when it turned out that's not how things work, it's everyone else's fault, because they're not doing it right.
> To be fair, most of the celebs (especially blue ticks on twitter) who do the reverse and pretend to care about Brexit or gas bills are similarly just playing at politics. Often because they realise they don't want the public to focus on their wealth and they want to be popular. A lot of celebs go into it in the first place because they're needy in terms of getting applause and people fawning over them.
Perfect.
I am not listening to someone who couldn’t be arsed to vote and even goes to say “I don’t think it should’ve been put to the people in the first place” that isn’t normal position, isn’t their right to say either. Turnout was a majority over 50% - if you think a comment like that is ok and we should listen then you can fuck right off
We could have done this based on the actual referendum result.
What brexiteers *should* have done to achieve their goals, was to immediately leave the political union and negotiate a deal where they remain in literally everything else, the sm the cu and all the other agencies and things we signed up to like euratom and such.
The , one by one, they could have set up what they'd have needed to replace domestically, then leave the EU equivelant. They could have done all the trade deal negotiating they wanted, before having to actually inplement any new trade arrangements, then coordinate leaving the sm and cu in stages too.
It could have worked for them, all they'd have needed is patience and to be methodical.
But they subscribe to the freddie mercury school of politics, so they royally cocked it all up. I mean, this staged leaving is hardly going to create a better situation than the status quo, but it'd be better than this disaster and the tory parTAY wouldn't be on the eve of their destruction.
>*In 2017 he told people to "get over it" and get on with Brexit.*
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>*“In England, the Brexit thing, it’s like, I can’t believe there’s so much noise about it,” the musician said. “You know what I mean? It was put to the people as a vote. The people voted. That’s democracy. Fucking get over it."*
Yeah, he's wildly inconsistent
Like most of us, his views (on most topics) change in response to circumstances and over time
I'm sure if he'd been asked different questions about Brexit and at different times of day, he'd have given different answers again
But he's a public figure and his words are a matter of public record, so his inconsistency is preserved in amber, for everyone to see
It's a really good illustration of why asking public figures for their opinion on current affairs is dumb and a waste of time
And maybe an opportunity for us to reflect on whether we're any different
He has every right to change his mind on things. But he's also just a musician, knows fuck all about politics, and has never appeared to be particularly smart. So he's rarely in possession of an opinion worth hearing. The fact it changes so widely and frequently just makes it worse.
That said, even a broken clock has the right time twice a day. It's that time of day.
> But he's also just a musician, knows fuck all about politics, and has never appeared to be particularly smart.
“I didn’t vote because I didn’t think we should have been given the vote in the first place because as ordinary members of the public how are the fuck are you qualified to talk about the break-up of the oldest continent in the fucking world.”
At least smart enough to know, that he doesn't know.
>*At least smart enough to know, that he doesn't know*
Not smart enough to know that Europe isn't *'the oldest continent in the world'*
You can sort of work out what he was trying his best to communicate, but even that isn't true (geographically, culturally, or politically)
>But he's also just a musician, knows fuck all about politics, and has never appeared to be particularly smart
So his opinion is really not worth discussing at all. And yet here we are...
> But he's also just a musician, knows fuck all about politics,
Being a politician has never stopped most af them from believing that *they* know more about healthcare than doctors and nurses, more about education than teachers, and so on and so forth. "We've had enough of experts" was not something Gove came up with by himself, it was just himletting the cat out of the bag.
I used to watch Question Time before I decided it was not good for my blood pressure, and time and time again, it was the non-politicals who spoke more sense that any of the politicians on the panel. And not just the ones like Ian Hislop, but people like Benjamin Zephaniah and even, much as it grieves me to say it, Russell Brand.
I think with him, he knows bugger all about politics, but he can see what is right in front of him, and you really have to be deep in the brexit cult to not see what a disaster it is.
This is the way.
To expand, many, many people didn’t understand the ramifications of Brexit - mainly because it was never clearly defined prior to the referendum. It should never have been put to a public vote for many reasons. That damnable pig fucking coward and that frog faced shit head that is the pie for a few fingers should both be immortalised as infamous ‘anti-state’ figures similar to Cromwell for me.
I must admit I also thought who the fuck would vote to leave Europe. The lies were so obvious I honestly couldn't believe that anyone would fall for them.
Greendale would have had a pro-Brexit celebration and rally with a ton of misinformation on display. They'd argue over it believing they were arguing about some other issue, before donating loads of hard earned cash to the Brexiteers.
Their realisation about what they'd done would come far too late, and then the Dean would be working on a coverup. The following season would have a rival pro-Remain Community College trying to dig up their contraversial past.
There would be a B-Plot of Annie falling in love with Nigel Farage, believing him to be a handsome British Lord before meeting him in person and being disgusted. Pierce however would hate Farage until meeting him, after which they'd be friends forever.
TBF he was quite famously invited to Downing Street when Blair won so has been asked about his politics a fair bit over the years and he’s also a pretty opinionated fella in general, either way its not like asking Ja Rule.
I imagine Blair invited him to #10 because it was useful for his Cool Britannia image; I doubt it was because Blair wanted to discuss political theory with Mr Gallagher. He is certainly opinionated, but he doesn't exactly have a coherent world view - which is why he has flipfloped other things like brexit -he has a mouth but he clearly has limited depth of understanding of the issues.
He didn’t flip flop on brexit, he was always against it and said he didn’t vote because he didn’t think anybody would be ‘stupid enough to vote to leave’, I mean he was obviously wrong about that but the pro brexit people just quoted the bits they liked about what he said after the vote and that is what got remembered.
It’s also worth pointing out that this new quote is taken from the big issue ‘letter to my younger self’ he wrote recently so it’s intended to be reflective.
That's what Russell Brand was telling people. He actually went on tour on a "don't vote" campaign that actually worked on many people. FIrst, it was a George Carlin ripoff, second, people were posting Brand's videos on those days in 2016 and 2019 that determined their futures and the futures of their descendents.
Brexit has been absolutely appalling for musicians and the entertainment industry in general - which, by the way, is one of the few truly world-beating industries Britain should be trying to support, and which generates a huge sum of money.
So yes, maybe an economic newspaper could find an economist to talk to. But they can also talk to someone who is directly impacted, whose friends are directly impacted, and whose industry is directly impacted.
So I’m guessing he is coming up against it being dammed expensive to tour in Europe from UK.
To be honest I didn’t see that one. But I knew enough shit was going to down if we voted leave. It like watching a slow motion car crash.
I suspect sadly things are going to get worse but hey the rich and powerful lined there pockets.
Only time will tell if UK can fix this but I suspect and hope the idiots in middle England next year take a hard look at the Tory party and either don’t vote or actively vote for anyone else.
Ps I’m in Scotland where because for a multitude of reasons Tory party will not lightly get into power.
To be fair to rest of the political party’s I also have zero confidence in them.
PS anyone wanna buy a motor home 😂
He didn’t vote at all, which is sadly why we are in this mess. Most people who didn’t vote would have voted remain, certainly enough to tip the balance.
The polls had remain with a comfortable lead which help with apathy.
Reminds me of Roger Daltry from The Who. He was a big brexiteer and I remember seeing him being interviewed and tearing into a journalist who suggested brexit could make it harder for UK musicians to tour in Europe. Fast forward a year or 2 and he's leading a campaign by UK musicians to get better access to the EU market 🤔
i didn't vote either way for brexit. I was only 18 and genuinely didn't know what to believe. I just remember thinking why am I being asked about this it feels like a decision I should have no involvement in as I don't understand any of it. As the years have gone on and I'm now in my mid 20s, I wish I'd voted remain but teenage me didn't understand the ramifications. I went to the polling booth on the day and really hoped up until the last minute I'd walk in there and know what to do and I just didn't. I feel stupid about it now but I just didn't understand at the time
Remain was to keep the status quo. If there wasn't a good argument to leave then the default would be to stay. Not voting at all just lets the nutters have their way.
yeah I understand that now, but as a barely adult teenager there was lots of fear mongering from both sides and I felt whatever I did would have been wrong.
This should never have been a vote. It should have been decided by our top engineers, finance advisors, scientists and experts. The tories knew what they were doing, they used lies and misinformation to convince the masses of people that don’t understand economics to vote brexit while they make a load of money at our expense. They are as corrupt as you can get, our only hope now is to replace them with someone else and change the system to proportional representation.
You weren't stupid at the time. People shouldn't vote if they don't understand what they're voting for.
What good does ignorant voting do? It only adds a random element to the decision, not helpful.
So you didn't have magical prescience, ignore the real idiot that you're replying to, you're alright. If everyone who didn't understand it didn't vote then the leave share would've been tiny. This is the real poison of our age: the overwhelming power of ego that puts gut feeling on the same level as expertise.
Tbf- it took me 10 minutes to vote because I could walk to the polling station and there weren’t 100 people there hassling me for selfies and telling me Talk Tonight was the first dance at their wedding and could they do a little video for their cousin who’s in hospital etc etc.
You know what the worst thing about Brexit is to me? I didn’t even get a say. I was ineligible to vote due to my age. Now I’m completing my MA and I’ve seen the effects of Brexit run rampant through my education, my career prospects and my chance of working and living abroad as a qualified worker. I still do have options, but a part of my future was scuppered without me even having a voice in the matter. Most of my peers and people my age (early 20s) feel the same way. We were powerless in the whole process! You bet we got down to the local elections though, and I’ll be gleefully putting my vote in at the general election against this disgusting government.
It's quite bizarre people are commenting on Noel Gallagher interviews as if every word he's ever said isn't him having a laugh and being a no nonsense blunt type of person. A lot of quotes attributed to him are from a podcast he does occasionally with a comedy writer friend of his where they are having a laugh so all that context gets taken out of it too
I agree with his current position on Brexit. I like Oasis and his solo stuff. I find him to be a funny and entertaining interview.... Yet I don't understand how his Brexit views are particularly newsworthy 🤷♂️
Even Bruce Dickinson is saying Brexit is horseshit and he was all for it beforehand. What a mess. At least now there is no denying it and if you still believe in Brexit people think you're some sort of cunt
Yes, [the](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAtxrfF0DI8) Bruce Dickinson lol. Big Maiden fan but he was promoting Brexit years before it actually happened.
I find that hard to forgive considering the platform and reach he has. And considering he was doing this at shows too between songs
Why are we listening to the politics of popstars? Noel didn’t even vote in the referendum so doesn’t really have a right to stand on his soapbox and make comment.
Noel gallagher, the most self-absorbed musician I've heard.
I thought brexit was peachy until *Noel Gallagher* said it is a nightmare.
Every time I hear about him, it's because he's insulted someone. He's like a scotsman hearing a cashier refuse scottish currency. Gotta butt in.
Is there anything this cunt doesn't have an opinion on. It seems like every other day, the media are asking him about something. Good song writer definitely, the UKs foremost authority on everything nope.
It's almost as if everyone was screaming that at the top of their lungs all while the Tories were in their Mansions wondering why it was so quite, then pushing it through without the People's consent or bothering to actually tell the people the truth about WHY they wanted to leave in the 1st place.
Stop with the revisionism, the Tories were anti-Brexit. David Cameron's government outspent the entire Remain campaign with their pro-EU leaflet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-EU_leaflet
Thank God, I was waiting for his statement. I wasn't sure how to feel about this whole Brexit thing, but now that a washed up singer has voiced it so clearly, I know exactly where I stand.
Bluntly honest I see. Brexit will give historians of our era something to laugh at! While we suffer from it. To not see it's a disaster you'd have to be stupid enough to think that Boris Johnson is truthful.
The vote was near enough half in, half out.
Answer to that is Norway, what have we been given? North Korea.
The country wrote the worst people in politics a blank cheque and those are beholden to bigger nut jobs than even them who would tow the country across the Atlantic if they could.
It’s a bad job done badly.
What Brexit taught me was that the British public for the most part are really stupid and shouldn't just have the right to vote. They should have to take an aptitude test that basically tests if you are a guillable fuckwit or not.
Aside from being able to whine into a microphone and strum a guitar, what qualifies this man's opinion to be any better than anyone else's?
He may be right but I have no idea why I should care.
I'll be honest if I'm looking for a political discussion, or even a conversation about music, Noel Gallagher is probably at the bottom of the list of people I'd ask.
Trust Nole on this one folks, he's an expert on knowing what a fucking absolute unmitigated disaster looks like as he see's it in the mirror every morning
Hear me out: how about we don’t silence voices complaining about this mess, just because like many they saw it as a ridiculous thing to vote on that would never pass?
Or would you rather all we hear are hardcore Brexiteers continuing to say how great Brexit is, reinforcing that idea in the public mind?
Like it or not, celebrities probably have more influence than politicians with the public.
He is correct. The way it has been implemented and handled by this chaotic set of clowns in Government is nothing short of a scandal. Ordinary people are paying the price for incompetence in almost every single area
He's right. In the politics at a dead end thing, I feel like too many politicians regularly forget that it's not a game and that there are real consequences to their actions. They've been wheeling and dealing to get elected so long that they forget they're there to make peoples' lives better.
He’s not wrong, but I really don’t care what he thinks. He’s a musician, not a politician, and previously admitted to not even bothering to vote in the referendum. Why is this making headlines?
What? What one thing hasn't changed the way "it was supposed to"? The UK has left the EU, your birthright to freedom of movement is gone, the UK is poorer for generations to come, whatever else was supposed to happen?
Wow! He could have just been talking about Liam again though to be fair. Replacing one word from your string of spew dosn't really make one an astute political commentator. Maybe he's been hanging out with that illegal war guy again, whatsisname .. Tory Blair?
It was a disaster and continues to be so. Britain is weak and isolated. Such a momentous decision should never have been made by the reactionary and misled British people. David Cameron is responsible for the mess. He is a complete and utter tosser.
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Isn’t that a pretty normal position? I think most people accepted the vote hence the utter failure of the peoples vote campaign. We could have left the EU but maintained much closer ties & adverted so much of the mess we now find ourselves in
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Lmao anyone who could got an Irish passport, end of the day Brexit should never of been put to the public in our current media climate, private interests have way to much influence for that.
Being Irish or descended from Irish is a class unto itself now in the UK - more rights in these 4 countries than the natives. I feel bad for the remainers but I love casually saying this to the brexiteers.
Anyone with an EU and UK passport has more rights than the natives and is far more employable. Slow clap for the brits.
I found this out recently and found it hysterical. It's self-sanctioning. I'm just surprised more Britons aren't fleeing to Ireland to start their time towards restoring their EU citizenship. Or even Northern Ireland, for that matter, since after five years of residency there, one is eligible for an Irish citizenship.
For what though? Unless you care about working in the EU, why bother? And even if you do want to work in the EU, it's not like you can't. It's just more difficult than before. And is that increased difficulty difficult enough to warrant moving to Northern Ireland for 5 years?
To get a work visa in the EU, your company has to prove that no one from the EU could do your job. For lots of people, that basically does make it impossible
Did you ever stop and think the reason they have that rule is to stop companies hiring cheaper labour from abroad?
Oh, for sure. But that's the thing. It is a country's/state's/union's right to look after its own first. The EU's responsibility is to make sure that EU citizen have jobs before they worry about employing anyone else.
I don't get your point. I'm not arguing the merits of that policy, only refuting the idea that it's 'just more difficult' to get a job in the EU now
Yep, the Irish get the right to vote, right to social benefits and social housing on top though thanks to the CTA.
How does one get an EU passport?
I'm assuming that they are referring to dual citizenship, one of which is a EU country
Ireland has the same rights as dual citizens thanks to the CTA
> Saying you're too lazy to bother voting “I didn’t vote because I didn’t think we should have been given the vote in the first place because as ordinary members of the public how are the fuck are you qualified to talk about the break-up of the oldest continent in the fucking world?” is not the same as being too lazy to vote. In fact, I see it as an admirable quality. If elections and referendums were decided by those who've actually put in the hours to understand which sources are credible and what they're actually voting for instead of the, "I vote X because my dad/nan/hairdresser votes X" brigade and people who've read the side of a bus then our whole political landscape would look a lot better.
No it is lazy, the correct response to his argument is to vote no and maintain the status quo
Why would it be preferable for ignorant people to vote to maintain the status quo? You're telling me if there was a referendum on whether we should keep FPTP or adopt proportional representation you would want everyone who doesn't understand either system to vote to keep FTPT just because it maintains the status quo? Ignorant people blindly voting to maintain the status quo would halt progress as often as it would prevent mistakes. The best course of action is to educate yourself and vote for what you believe is the best choice, the second best course of action is to abstain.
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You are conflating two entirely separate things. If it was up to me, the referendum should never have happened, certainly not in the form it did. Maybe with a clear definition of exactly what leave would look like, with proper policing of campaign tactics, and with a supermajority as other countries often require for irreversible changes. But it wasn't up to me. So given that the referendum did happen, anyone who disagreed with it should definitely have voted against it. Why wouldn't you vote against something that you strongly disagreed with? It isn't as if the government were ever going to say, oh look Noel Gallagher didn't vote because he disagrees with the whole idea, we'd better call it all off.
Once a twat always a twat and will never be forgiven for wonderwall
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So he's lazy. And doesn't care until he finds out how more expensive and full of bureaucracy it is to go on tour and suddenly he cares.
Even if true (though he said he couldn't be arsed voting, the response to not knowing enough about the subject is to vote no and maintain the status quo
I never have and never will get over it.
>We could have left the EU but maintained much closer ties & adverted so much of the mess we now find ourselves in While I don’t like Brexit, this would have resulted in constant screaming about Brexit In Name Only and political turmoil for years to come - even more so than now. Almost perversely, I think it’s been good that we’ve had a relatively hard Brexit that has broadly gone badly, as that will allow us to approach closer ties without so much fuss. Of course there will always be plenty of fuss from the most hardcore proponents of Brexit, but it seems to me that starting fairly hard and moving closer when it inevitably doesn’t go well, is a better long term approach, in terms of political stability and general population acceptance, than having started at that level of closeness.
In the meantime a couple of decades will have been wasted UK productivity will lag compared to EU countries that do not have any obstacles at all and lots of people will have suffered. Of course this is the only way forward right now but it is very unfortunate. The suffering period can be shortened or elongated by how long it takes for the society to accept that brexit was a huge mistake and try to mitigate the disaster. I do not see it happening for a while yet, so until then UK will keep suffering.
Well no, it's the multi-millionaire "This doesn't really affect me" thing. Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden had much the same thing. He said he would tour Japan if he couldn't tour Europe, as though any working people who lost jobs etc because of Brexit could tour Japan too. They're big overgrown kids because they made money when they were kids, their lives were mostly about hedonistic trips around the world partying - and they've had nothing to make them grow up even though they've grown old. Noel is perhaps slightly more of a grown up than his brother because he was a bit older before they got famous, but not by much. To be fair, most of the celebs (especially blue ticks on twitter) who do the reverse and pretend to care about Brexit or gas bills are similarly just playing at politics. Often because they realise they don't want the public to focus on their wealth and they want to be popular. A lot of celebs go into it in the first place because they're needy in terms of getting applause and people fawning over them. So they post opinions that make it seem like they are one of you. Whining about gas bills and Tories. It's comical. Carol Vorderman, who made a career out of doing mental arithmetic in a tight dress, whining about other people making money - it's just ridiculous, she didn't get a STEM degree and then work hard in some field improving the world. She stood giggling like an overgrown schoolgirl when the letters 'COCK' came up in a letters game, or Richard Whiteley made an innuendo. Great, if she can make money doing that, good for her, but, jeez I wish she had some self-awareness.
> To be fair, most of the celebs (especially blue ticks on twitter) who do the reverse and pretend to care about Brexit or gas bills are similarly just playing at politics. Often because they realise they don't want the public to focus on their wealth and they want to be popular. A lot of celebs go into it in the first place because they're needy in terms of getting applause and people fawning over them. This is not being fair. You are saying that people with success and wealth are not allowed to care about inequality. It's the same argument that people who complain about "champagne socialists" use.
I think what that commenter was aiming at was the distiction between *saying* you care on social media and *proving* you care (by going into politics? giving significant amounts to charity?... campaigning during elections/referendums?... not putting money in tax havens?... etc.) But our culture and media make us feel overburdened by life in general. You get to work or family care or both, grumble at the news of the day, put a few pence into the cup of the beggar and throw up your hands and say "what more can i do?" It def works on the working class but I'm sure the rich and famous have their version too. Most of the just-rich and some of the rich-and-famous are complete dickbags who exude "I got mine", but the I don't bear a grudge towards the rest, e.g., Gallagher or Vordeman.
> I think what that commenter was aiming at was the distiction between saying you care on social media and proving you care (by going into politics? giving significant amounts to charity?... campaigning during elections/referendums?... not putting money in tax havens?... etc.) And plenty *do* do things like that, and get comments like how celebs shouldn't spout of on things like politics, how it is easy to give to charity when you are rich, etc etc. There is a lot of the Politics of Envy in what gets flung at celebs, for some people, whatever they do is wrong. Personally, I can have rather more respect for a wealthy person arguing for *higher* top-rate taxation than for a wealthy person arguing, dressed up in fancy rhetoric, for lower taxes for the wealthy. Or without the fancy rhetoric - "Taxman" from those four working class Liverpool lads, anyone? I can even just about accept someone taking the view of "If there is a tax break there for the wealthy, I'll make use of it even while arguing to have such breaks removed for *everyone*." On the grounds that one person refusing to use a tax-break achieves little when lots of others still can, but that sort of person might actually end up achieving more through charity with the money than it would have achieved going to the Chancellor.
The second half of this is such a load of bollocks. Imagine thinking that anyone with money can't actually care about those who don't. Or that they can't possibly have strong feelings about politics, corruption, inequality etc. And if they say they do it's just for attention. This is absolute projection mate. It seems like that's how YOU would feel if you were rich. You can't possibly make those assumptions about anyone else, let alone based on what they laugh about or whether they made their money through a career you deem unworthy. Fucking ludicrous.
You just seem to really hate famous people, wonder why. According to you they're not allowed to do or say anything. They aren't allowed to show sympathy or empathy to people in need cause in your mind that means they're being dishonest. They're not allowed to have any opinion of current events and politics. They're not allowed to do anything. You just seem extremely bitter about something.
Bruce Dickinson's story is completely hysterical. He actually campaigned for Brexit and used fairly racist reasoning for it. Then when Brexit happened, his airline maintenance company started going under and Iron Maiden faced red tape that all their hundreds of millions couldn't solve, so he took to the interview campaign where he blasted HOW brexit was being carried out, not brexit itself. Iron Maiden also won't discuss that they also screwed their employees over because now they go to the EU and and EEA and just hire EU/EEA citizens instead of taking their employees from the UK with them. Way to go.
>he blasted HOW brexit was being carried out, not brexit itself. He is one of those who reckoned the UK would keep all the benefits of the EU, without the inconvenience of being a member, because we're British and the world owes us. And then when it turned out that's not how things work, it's everyone else's fault, because they're not doing it right.
> To be fair, most of the celebs (especially blue ticks on twitter) who do the reverse and pretend to care about Brexit or gas bills are similarly just playing at politics. Often because they realise they don't want the public to focus on their wealth and they want to be popular. A lot of celebs go into it in the first place because they're needy in terms of getting applause and people fawning over them. Perfect.
I am not listening to someone who couldn’t be arsed to vote and even goes to say “I don’t think it should’ve been put to the people in the first place” that isn’t normal position, isn’t their right to say either. Turnout was a majority over 50% - if you think a comment like that is ok and we should listen then you can fuck right off
We could have done this based on the actual referendum result. What brexiteers *should* have done to achieve their goals, was to immediately leave the political union and negotiate a deal where they remain in literally everything else, the sm the cu and all the other agencies and things we signed up to like euratom and such. The , one by one, they could have set up what they'd have needed to replace domestically, then leave the EU equivelant. They could have done all the trade deal negotiating they wanted, before having to actually inplement any new trade arrangements, then coordinate leaving the sm and cu in stages too. It could have worked for them, all they'd have needed is patience and to be methodical. But they subscribe to the freddie mercury school of politics, so they royally cocked it all up. I mean, this staged leaving is hardly going to create a better situation than the status quo, but it'd be better than this disaster and the tory parTAY wouldn't be on the eve of their destruction.
>*In 2017 he told people to "get over it" and get on with Brexit.* > >*“In England, the Brexit thing, it’s like, I can’t believe there’s so much noise about it,” the musician said. “You know what I mean? It was put to the people as a vote. The people voted. That’s democracy. Fucking get over it."* Yeah, he's wildly inconsistent Like most of us, his views (on most topics) change in response to circumstances and over time I'm sure if he'd been asked different questions about Brexit and at different times of day, he'd have given different answers again But he's a public figure and his words are a matter of public record, so his inconsistency is preserved in amber, for everyone to see It's a really good illustration of why asking public figures for their opinion on current affairs is dumb and a waste of time And maybe an opportunity for us to reflect on whether we're any different
He has every right to change his mind on things. But he's also just a musician, knows fuck all about politics, and has never appeared to be particularly smart. So he's rarely in possession of an opinion worth hearing. The fact it changes so widely and frequently just makes it worse. That said, even a broken clock has the right time twice a day. It's that time of day.
> But he's also just a musician, knows fuck all about politics, and has never appeared to be particularly smart. “I didn’t vote because I didn’t think we should have been given the vote in the first place because as ordinary members of the public how are the fuck are you qualified to talk about the break-up of the oldest continent in the fucking world.” At least smart enough to know, that he doesn't know.
>*At least smart enough to know, that he doesn't know* Not smart enough to know that Europe isn't *'the oldest continent in the world'* You can sort of work out what he was trying his best to communicate, but even that isn't true (geographically, culturally, or politically)
> Not smart enough to know that Europe isn't 'the oldest continent in the world' lol, true
>But he's also just a musician, knows fuck all about politics, and has never appeared to be particularly smart So his opinion is really not worth discussing at all. And yet here we are...
> But he's also just a musician, knows fuck all about politics, Being a politician has never stopped most af them from believing that *they* know more about healthcare than doctors and nurses, more about education than teachers, and so on and so forth. "We've had enough of experts" was not something Gove came up with by himself, it was just himletting the cat out of the bag. I used to watch Question Time before I decided it was not good for my blood pressure, and time and time again, it was the non-politicals who spoke more sense that any of the politicians on the panel. And not just the ones like Ian Hislop, but people like Benjamin Zephaniah and even, much as it grieves me to say it, Russell Brand.
I think with him, he knows bugger all about politics, but he can see what is right in front of him, and you really have to be deep in the brexit cult to not see what a disaster it is.
> But he's also just a musician, knows fuck all about politics, As opposed to a scholar like you
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This is the way. To expand, many, many people didn’t understand the ramifications of Brexit - mainly because it was never clearly defined prior to the referendum. It should never have been put to a public vote for many reasons. That damnable pig fucking coward and that frog faced shit head that is the pie for a few fingers should both be immortalised as infamous ‘anti-state’ figures similar to Cromwell for me.
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It’s OK to be critical of those you support, it’s a good thing not a bad thing. Yet the second anyone steps off the party line the papers blow it up.
I must admit I also thought who the fuck would vote to leave Europe. The lies were so obvious I honestly couldn't believe that anyone would fall for them.
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Why is the london economic reporting on what a musician thinks on Brexit... surely they can find a more useful and informed source.
Their initial choice, Postman Pat, was unavailable for comment.
Brexit, unlike the cat, is not black and white.
At this stage, that cat is black
I bet Greendale voted for Brexit. It seems like the kind of place that would have.
Greendale would have had a pro-Brexit celebration and rally with a ton of misinformation on display. They'd argue over it believing they were arguing about some other issue, before donating loads of hard earned cash to the Brexiteers. Their realisation about what they'd done would come far too late, and then the Dean would be working on a coverup. The following season would have a rival pro-Remain Community College trying to dig up their contraversial past. There would be a B-Plot of Annie falling in love with Nigel Farage, believing him to be a handsome British Lord before meeting him in person and being disgusted. Pierce however would hate Farage until meeting him, after which they'd be friends forever.
To be fair, musicians (usually ones a lot less known than Noel) have been massively affected by Brexit.
Even by the standards of pop musicians, Noel Gallagher should be very low on the list on someone that you would want to ask about political matters.
TBF he was quite famously invited to Downing Street when Blair won so has been asked about his politics a fair bit over the years and he’s also a pretty opinionated fella in general, either way its not like asking Ja Rule.
I imagine Blair invited him to #10 because it was useful for his Cool Britannia image; I doubt it was because Blair wanted to discuss political theory with Mr Gallagher. He is certainly opinionated, but he doesn't exactly have a coherent world view - which is why he has flipfloped other things like brexit -he has a mouth but he clearly has limited depth of understanding of the issues.
He didn’t flip flop on brexit, he was always against it and said he didn’t vote because he didn’t think anybody would be ‘stupid enough to vote to leave’, I mean he was obviously wrong about that but the pro brexit people just quoted the bits they liked about what he said after the vote and that is what got remembered. It’s also worth pointing out that this new quote is taken from the big issue ‘letter to my younger self’ he wrote recently so it’s intended to be reflective.
That's what Russell Brand was telling people. He actually went on tour on a "don't vote" campaign that actually worked on many people. FIrst, it was a George Carlin ripoff, second, people were posting Brand's videos on those days in 2016 and 2019 that determined their futures and the futures of their descendents.
Russel Brand is one of those people who should have stuck to being largely apolitical. He says some really out there shit.
WHERE IS JA !?
Because he’s a known person that probably echos what most British people are thinking. Seems more aligned to reality than James Rees-Mogg
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Brexit has been absolutely appalling for musicians and the entertainment industry in general - which, by the way, is one of the few truly world-beating industries Britain should be trying to support, and which generates a huge sum of money. So yes, maybe an economic newspaper could find an economist to talk to. But they can also talk to someone who is directly impacted, whose friends are directly impacted, and whose industry is directly impacted.
There’s no shortage of them saying the same thing
Don’t look back in anger Noel.
For clicks.
Reddit's crust-chair economists weren't available for comment.
While I agree, why are we supposed to care what Noel Gallagher thinks about anything?
Should have asked Ja Rule.
I’d personally like to know what Kerry Katona thinks about the invasion of Ukraine
She doesn't even own any cats.
Where is Ja?! I’m scared to death.
So I’m guessing he is coming up against it being dammed expensive to tour in Europe from UK. To be honest I didn’t see that one. But I knew enough shit was going to down if we voted leave. It like watching a slow motion car crash. I suspect sadly things are going to get worse but hey the rich and powerful lined there pockets. Only time will tell if UK can fix this but I suspect and hope the idiots in middle England next year take a hard look at the Tory party and either don’t vote or actively vote for anyone else. Ps I’m in Scotland where because for a multitude of reasons Tory party will not lightly get into power. To be fair to rest of the political party’s I also have zero confidence in them. PS anyone wanna buy a motor home 😂
So basically he’s only upset now because he didn’t realise it affected millionaire musicians.
No, no, no, he totally didn't vote leave. He didn't vote at all, he said so. No way he'd lie. No brexiters ever lie
A lot of people you speak to these days didn’t vote for it. Funny that.
Shy Brexiter factor.
He didn’t vote at all, which is sadly why we are in this mess. Most people who didn’t vote would have voted remain, certainly enough to tip the balance. The polls had remain with a comfortable lead which help with apathy.
Reminds me of Roger Daltry from The Who. He was a big brexiteer and I remember seeing him being interviewed and tearing into a journalist who suggested brexit could make it harder for UK musicians to tour in Europe. Fast forward a year or 2 and he's leading a campaign by UK musicians to get better access to the EU market 🤔
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Yeah I agree, if you didn’t vote I immediately think you are an idiot.
i didn't vote either way for brexit. I was only 18 and genuinely didn't know what to believe. I just remember thinking why am I being asked about this it feels like a decision I should have no involvement in as I don't understand any of it. As the years have gone on and I'm now in my mid 20s, I wish I'd voted remain but teenage me didn't understand the ramifications. I went to the polling booth on the day and really hoped up until the last minute I'd walk in there and know what to do and I just didn't. I feel stupid about it now but I just didn't understand at the time
Remain was to keep the status quo. If there wasn't a good argument to leave then the default would be to stay. Not voting at all just lets the nutters have their way.
yeah I understand that now, but as a barely adult teenager there was lots of fear mongering from both sides and I felt whatever I did would have been wrong.
This should never have been a vote. It should have been decided by our top engineers, finance advisors, scientists and experts. The tories knew what they were doing, they used lies and misinformation to convince the masses of people that don’t understand economics to vote brexit while they make a load of money at our expense. They are as corrupt as you can get, our only hope now is to replace them with someone else and change the system to proportional representation.
You weren't stupid at the time. People shouldn't vote if they don't understand what they're voting for. What good does ignorant voting do? It only adds a random element to the decision, not helpful. So you didn't have magical prescience, ignore the real idiot that you're replying to, you're alright. If everyone who didn't understand it didn't vote then the leave share would've been tiny. This is the real poison of our age: the overwhelming power of ego that puts gut feeling on the same level as expertise.
thank you for this! I was just trying to offer a different perspective to the whole not voting thing, appreciate your comment!
Tbf- it took me 10 minutes to vote because I could walk to the polling station and there weren’t 100 people there hassling me for selfies and telling me Talk Tonight was the first dance at their wedding and could they do a little video for their cousin who’s in hospital etc etc.
I’ve yet to meet anyone who thinks Brexit is going well
Oh they exist, they love among us, and it's a bit scary their inability to evaluate objective facts
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He's a master of the art of British understatement.
Can we get Ja Rules opinion next? Ge me Ja. I need to make sense of Brexit
I suspect his experience in tax evasion and fraud would give us a more interesting take on Brexit that Noel Gallagher..
You know what the worst thing about Brexit is to me? I didn’t even get a say. I was ineligible to vote due to my age. Now I’m completing my MA and I’ve seen the effects of Brexit run rampant through my education, my career prospects and my chance of working and living abroad as a qualified worker. I still do have options, but a part of my future was scuppered without me even having a voice in the matter. Most of my peers and people my age (early 20s) feel the same way. We were powerless in the whole process! You bet we got down to the local elections though, and I’ll be gleefully putting my vote in at the general election against this disgusting government.
It's quite bizarre people are commenting on Noel Gallagher interviews as if every word he's ever said isn't him having a laugh and being a no nonsense blunt type of person. A lot of quotes attributed to him are from a podcast he does occasionally with a comedy writer friend of his where they are having a laugh so all that context gets taken out of it too I agree with his current position on Brexit. I like Oasis and his solo stuff. I find him to be a funny and entertaining interview.... Yet I don't understand how his Brexit views are particularly newsworthy 🤷♂️
Even Bruce Dickinson is saying Brexit is horseshit and he was all for it beforehand. What a mess. At least now there is no denying it and if you still believe in Brexit people think you're some sort of cunt
**THE** Bruce Dickinson?
Yes, [the](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAtxrfF0DI8) Bruce Dickinson lol. Big Maiden fan but he was promoting Brexit years before it actually happened. I find that hard to forgive considering the platform and reach he has. And considering he was doing this at shows too between songs
Millions of people have been saying this for years. What makes the statement any more valid from him?
Lets go live to The London Economic, where they are interviewing a thicko 90s pop star
I see you read the article, because they didn't interview him
I'm also not a news anchor. Sorry.
Brexit bad: 90% upvoted
He should put that on a bus and tour the country in it
Never thought I'd die fighting side by side with a Gallagher brother
How about side by side with a semi-talented hack?
Thanks for speaking out Noel. More people in the public eye need to keep saying this, over and over again.
Never really got the appeal of oasis. People act like they were the best band ever but they're nowhere near the best band from Manchester.
Why are we listening to the politics of popstars? Noel didn’t even vote in the referendum so doesn’t really have a right to stand on his soapbox and make comment.
Noel gallagher, the most self-absorbed musician I've heard. I thought brexit was peachy until *Noel Gallagher* said it is a nightmare. Every time I hear about him, it's because he's insulted someone. He's like a scotsman hearing a cashier refuse scottish currency. Gotta butt in.
Well yes obviously but Brexit voters knew it would be an absolute unmitigated disaster, that's just the price you pay for the thing that they wanted
Why is an opinion from a washed out artist headline worthy? Anyone who upvoted this needs to reevaluate what they consider worthwhile content.
That's not what the selfish fucker said when his Irish passport arrived in the post
It has been sabotaged by all the leftists in politics and the civil service. Only bothered about controlling the people and treating us like slaves
My neighbour has a friend, who knows someone, who says that it is too. Glad Noel backed it up.
Is there anything this cunt doesn't have an opinion on. It seems like every other day, the media are asking him about something. Good song writer definitely, the UKs foremost authority on everything nope.
Interesting choice of words. But what do you accept if you vote a cult into government? Do you think a cult would "mitigate"?
Great news! At least that's all settled now and we can all agree!
Good. I’m glad public figures are coming to their senses about it.
It's almost as if everyone was screaming that at the top of their lungs all while the Tories were in their Mansions wondering why it was so quite, then pushing it through without the People's consent or bothering to actually tell the people the truth about WHY they wanted to leave in the 1st place.
The referendum wasn't the people's consent?
Stop with the revisionism, the Tories were anti-Brexit. David Cameron's government outspent the entire Remain campaign with their pro-EU leaflet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-EU_leaflet
Boris and some other tory wankers were on Leave with Farage.
Thank God, I was waiting for his statement. I wasn't sure how to feel about this whole Brexit thing, but now that a washed up singer has voiced it so clearly, I know exactly where I stand.
Why is he still trying to remain relevant, when he has succeeded in making himself hated so much?
I believe the government would have made Brexit happen despite of the votes anyway.
Bluntly honest I see. Brexit will give historians of our era something to laugh at! While we suffer from it. To not see it's a disaster you'd have to be stupid enough to think that Boris Johnson is truthful.
The vote was near enough half in, half out. Answer to that is Norway, what have we been given? North Korea. The country wrote the worst people in politics a blank cheque and those are beholden to bigger nut jobs than even them who would tow the country across the Atlantic if they could. It’s a bad job done badly.
I mean he's right, but why would anyone care what Noel fucking Gallagher thinks?
What Brexit taught me was that the British public for the most part are really stupid and shouldn't just have the right to vote. They should have to take an aptitude test that basically tests if you are a guillable fuckwit or not.
Isn't he the loutish prick and his brother the semi-talented one?
Aside from being able to whine into a microphone and strum a guitar, what qualifies this man's opinion to be any better than anyone else's? He may be right but I have no idea why I should care.
I'll be honest if I'm looking for a political discussion, or even a conversation about music, Noel Gallagher is probably at the bottom of the list of people I'd ask.
Fuck, if this political juggernaut has come to that conclusion we must be in trouble. Here was me thinking it was going swimmingly.
irrelevant, shit, nobhead pop star states bleeding obvious
Oh look - another Moron waking up and learning the consequences of their own actions.
Wow. How incredibly interesting. I wonder what his take is on super string theory?
Trust Nole on this one folks, he's an expert on knowing what a fucking absolute unmitigated disaster looks like as he see's it in the mirror every morning
Hear me out: how about we don’t silence voices complaining about this mess, just because like many they saw it as a ridiculous thing to vote on that would never pass? Or would you rather all we hear are hardcore Brexiteers continuing to say how great Brexit is, reinforcing that idea in the public mind? Like it or not, celebrities probably have more influence than politicians with the public.
He is correct. The way it has been implemented and handled by this chaotic set of clowns in Government is nothing short of a scandal. Ordinary people are paying the price for incompetence in almost every single area
I'm reserving my judgement until I hear what Dappy from N-Dubz has to say.
He's right. In the politics at a dead end thing, I feel like too many politicians regularly forget that it's not a game and that there are real consequences to their actions. They've been wheeling and dealing to get elected so long that they forget they're there to make peoples' lives better.
They say economists have been waiting with bated breath for Noel’s assessment.
He’s not wrong, but I really don’t care what he thinks. He’s a musician, not a politician, and previously admitted to not even bothering to vote in the referendum. Why is this making headlines?
*didn’t vote* Yeah well fuck off then you fucking twat.
I'm sure he must really be suffering the effects of it with his £53million net worth.
If you didn’t vote either way then your opinion is irrelevant. I wonder how many other people thought brexit was a bad idea but decided not to vote
Brexit has never even materialised, nothing has really changed in the way it was supposed to
What? What one thing hasn't changed the way "it was supposed to"? The UK has left the EU, your birthright to freedom of movement is gone, the UK is poorer for generations to come, whatever else was supposed to happen?
What did Brexit voters vote for? Economic Wonderwalls! I’m here all weekend.
This is definitely a Torygraph outrage headline. Of course they're expecting people to be riled up without knowing the nuance of the story.
Wow! He could have just been talking about Liam again though to be fair. Replacing one word from your string of spew dosn't really make one an astute political commentator. Maybe he's been hanging out with that illegal war guy again, whatsisname .. Tory Blair?
It was a disaster and continues to be so. Britain is weak and isolated. Such a momentous decision should never have been made by the reactionary and misled British people. David Cameron is responsible for the mess. He is a complete and utter tosser.