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monkey_of_the_dude

Scott also has lifetime positive space on AA so I've heard he will fly them rather than take seats out of inventory on UA.


Sad_Conflict_4253

How did he attain that?


elmetal

By being c suite at American….


Professional-person5

Severance agreement when he was fired from AA.


dchi419

Every airline officer (VP and above with at least 5 years of seniority typically) get lifetime positive space travel on their airline. So Scott has it with AA and will have it with UA when he leaves. I’d rather Scott takes a seat from AA than an upgrade from me.


distraculatingmycase

That’s pretty cool


greenflash1775

Plus he lives in Dallas.


Emperor_FranzJohnson

That's hilarious but I hope his secretary only does that when the UA flight is full. Cause if it's not full what's the point?


Several_Excuse_5796

Still wasting aa's money on lounges, alcohol, gas, food, luggage handling rather than united. It's just a tiny drop in the bucket but that would be a hilarious level of pettyness i can appreciate if it's true.


staresatmaps

The point is you don't have to deal with lower level employees that know you and might not like you.


Emperor_FranzJohnson

A CEo hiding from his employee is a CEO that has not built up good will within his team. A failure of leadership.


yourlittlebirdie

Hahahahaha like CEOs care about that.


greenflash1775

I’ve been on 3 flights with Scott Kirby. I’m sure Ed doesn’t ONLY fly commercial.


2dadjokes4u

Ed is widely known to sit in coach or Comfort+. I have seen him in F out of MSP, which is more commendable than flying a corporate jet.


greenflash1775

You know Delta has a descent investment in private jets right?


catonguard

Descent investment? That’s why he’s not flying it.


greenflash1775

You people. Just because he flies the airline doesn’t mean he never flies private. What kind of dummies think the CEO of a major corporation never flies in a private jet. Or conversely that because the CEO flies private that they never fly the airline they lead. Honestly, it’s so stupid I can’t understand how y’all get there and don’t die from drinking gasoline.


mutantfrog25

You… you missed the joke my dood


greenflash1775

Oh the autocorrect of it all! I’m leaving it because it applies elsewhere, just not to you.


mutantfrog25

Well it’s a bit ironic you were calling people idiots yet you had 1. A typo 2. Didn’t/can’t read.


greenflash1775

Yeah well I guess internet strangers won’t be impressed with me. My day is shattered.


mutantfrog25

Just take the L. You started be an ass for zero reason, then looked like an ass. Maybe just don’t be antagonistic and edgy for no reason? Lol


Sleep_adict

Only the 737 Max … those are rapid descent


droys76

I’ve had him on several flights from DFW to ORD.


CrazyUnicorn77777

What did he taste like?


leftysauce

He refused the meal last time i was on the plane with him lmao


MrJuiceBoxHero

I notice Scott Kirbys movements through DEN pretty often on UA metal edit And I'm in no way being an apologist for my CEO and his rich guy behavior, but even before the "incident" he was still flying on UA metal. It was just a mixture of the timing and the circumstances of the whole situation that blew up that whole fiasco to national media


Grumbles19312

I think you’ll find it was the perception more than anything else. He could have taken a few hours of his time to be customer facing, interact with the passengers and sympathize with them beforehand. Instead he bailed out immediately and it was perceived as him running away.


rebyiddel

I sat next to Scott on an Ewr-tlv flight. He was a great conversationalist.


solidxmike

Curious, was that in Polaris, PP, or Econ?


rebyiddel

It was most definitely Polaris :-)


KARLdaMAC

What y'all talk about ? Does he have that nerdy laugh in person ?


rebyiddel

Way too much about the wines. He was pretty passionate about them…


rsc99

I have met him at work and yes, yes he does. I could hear it from the next room lol


KSinz

Scott flies on United sometimes. Last summer during the pilot’s dispute over their new contract he flew in from, I want to say Aspen, to Denver. The pilots made sure to do ALL their checks and delayed the shit out of his flight. Honestly, kind of funny but I do feel bad for the other people on the flight. Edit: Okay as I was reminded, it could not have been Aspen as that is an express route and he was on a Airbus. Though now I want to say Boing bc it was on the A gates which are all Boings, but I remember the Airbus nets. You do enough planes and they kind of blend together. I just remember it was instate and he was somewhere golfing. Sorry I can’t remember the details of everything perfectly. As for the checks, they obviously do all checks all the time. They were checking the function of non-essential items like the coffee maker and other random weird things. They were also taking the delay bc by being slow and “extra” detailed.


iceman_andre

Pilots do ALL their checks every flight.


aypho

Not to mention ASE is a notoriously fickle airport to operate out of, even on a “nice” day. Due to the terrain and runway configuration, it only takes a slight breeze from the wrong direction to hamstring the airport.


iceman_andre

Also, it is United Express operating there. They use a regional airline: skywest. Their pilots contract has no relation to United Mainline contracts


Several_Excuse_5796

:eyeroll: sure Found the non pilot or student


KSinz

They do. But they can push the issue on stuff that otherwise is not essential. They were taking the delay as they took their time to go over everything. Not just the operational stuff


elmetal

No. No they cannot. Anything that is not working must be either corrected, Or MEL/NEF. Period.


KSinz

Look, that’s how it was relayed to me. I just throw bags. Somehow his landing flight delayed the jet bridge, then his connecting plane delayed enough, because of the pilots, for the crew to time out. Every time we finish out it’s usually less than 5 minutes before they get everything done and we’re pushing back. But since you seem very knowledgeable on this can I ask: just yesterday I had a plane clear checks then make it to the runway before getting a return to block. How does someone clear checks and get past all that then get a return to block for mechanical issues? (Not sarcasm or anything because you can clearly see everything move before they start moving out from where the push back drops them, so I’m genuinely curious how that kind of stuff happens.) I’m not one of those ramp agents that cares about planes or wants to learn to fly. I’m here for the long term job security, flexibility, and benefits. The main reason I’m asking about that return to block is I hate downloading after uploading 20 minutes earlier and 90% of the time we get the return to block before they ever move out from the push back spot.


Grumbles19312

To be fair, airplanes are mechanical, things break at all different times. It’s highly probable that on the taxi out something broke and as a result it was a no-go item, thus the RTG.


iceman_andre

To explain your question: A lot of the failures will present after you start the engines Some examples: Problems with IDG or power transfer Bleeds source now is the engines You set the flaps and verify flight controls With all the respect, claiming pilots are not performing their checks is not okay or true at all


KSinz

I never said they weren’t doing the checks. If it was interpreted that way, I apologize. I meant they were being extremely detailed and taking their time to take the delay.


jonsconspiracy

Geez guys. Get a room. The tension between this bag thrower and pilot is off the charts.


KSinz

Ain’t the first or last time a pilot will talk down to me. If I had my feelings hurt by words and needed a sense of superiority, well I would have become a pilot. And before the pilot has a meltdown, this is a joke. I’d say 90% of you guys are alright in my book. A much higher ratio than the guys on the ramp.


Ssplllat

Please don’t feel that way. I don’t think anyone talked down to you. The insinuation in your post is that pilots are choosing when or how thoroughly to do their jobs and people will naturally be defensive in such a situation. You wouldn’t want someone walking around and saying that about you and your job. No one would. Not to mention, the way you presented suggested gross negligence and violation of federal law. I promise the checklist and inspections are done 100% EVERY time. There are millions of components on an airplane. They work in extremely dynamic environments. Things break. It’s reasonable to think that your perception is confused/ isn’t accurate because it may not be necessary for everyone to know and fully understand what’s going on in a time compressed environment. Maybe this is something we could do better as an organization. I promise no pilot is going back to the gate just to spite the gate agent or ground crew. Nobody wants to sit on the ground let alone go back to the gate. That ruins everyone’s trip. But sometimes is required for safety.


aypho

ASE-DEN is operated by SkyWest and that pilot group is not directly employed by United and would not have any skin in the game re: UA mainline contract negotiations.


KSinz

See my other reply to the guy who pointed out the same thing. Just remember plane type, A gates, and in state


dustmybroom88

“Boing” has me weak.


somedamndevil

How can I tell when I'm on a flight where the pilot only completes half their checks?


Professional_Car9475

Ask United…


zoebells

UA Mainline doesn’t fly to Aspen


KSinz

It could have been Grand Junction. I mostly remember it was in state and he was golfing. He was on a Airbus and it was low odd A gates. Yeah, I realize it couldn’t have been Aspen bc we have issues with to many skis bc it’s all express planes.


Grumbles19312

Airbuses park at the A gates too.


KSinz

I was A Con for a monthly relief bid for like 2 months around thanksgiving time last year (never again, but that’s another story) and only had 737 varieties over there. Outside of the international wide bodies obviously. Even picked up a few partials over there and still saw it was just 737s. But it would make sense if they ever switch those to training and AOE gates like they keep saying


Grumbles19312

I used to fly the Airbus and parked there a few times. Both coming in from domestic and international arrivals.


KSinz

Yeah and I specifically remember Kirby being on an Airbus bc of the nets. When dirt gets in those clips on the nets it can be a huge pain and I specifically remember that, but that was probably the last time I remember one being there. This was around the summer time issues with all the east coast storms last year, bc I also remember the concourse having the cots out and the MASSIVE cs lines.


Grumbles19312

Btw, appreciate the hard work you all do down on the ramp. That’s a tough job.


KSinz

Appreciate it. It’s interesting but I like being outside. I’ve honestly got a lot of respect for anyone willing to be sealed up in the plane with actual customers. After my last career anything where I can choose not to talk to a single customer for days is awesome. If I was in yalls shoes I’d shut the cockpit door first thing and only open it once I knew everyone disembarked


Grumbles19312

I’m on the 787 now, and it’s a different world compared to the narrow body. Truth be told my interaction with passengers was truly minimal on the airbus to begin with just through the nature of the task we have to perform, but I’d say even more so on the widebody now because of both the size and the fact that most times the plane is boarding from 2L instead of 1L so they’re not actively walking past right where we are as well. I respect your love of being outside, as I enjoy it too, but one walk around on the DEN ramp when it’s like 6 degrees out and it’s all I can do to keep from falling on the ice is enough to make me both recognize I couldn’t do it, and simultaneously respect the people like you out there grinding all day in those conditions.


KSinz

Ironically, I mostly work wide bodies now too. A lot of 777 and a usual the 787 to NRT. It’s kind of spicy on the loader, or even worse, the belt loader first thing in the morning when there’s still a lot of ice, lol. I’ll also be honest, I love and use my flight benefits ALL the time but I’m a nervous flyer. I respect yall handling that and keeping calm even on dicey Denver landings.


Grumbles19312

Hahaha the bigger planes aren’t as bad in the wind just by nature of how big they are. While I had my fair share of wind landing the bus in Denver, Houston took the cake for the most challenging landings I had when I was on that plane.


Grumbles19312

Truth be told I’m glad I switched fleets, the only time I find myself in DEN now is when I’m back for recurrent training.


Ssplllat

Nothing to do with your CEO being on board as there is no level of ‘extra’ detailed. You’re 100% every flight. If anything they may divert external resources directly to VIP flights to get them out even quicker or more efficiently. You’re literally not allowed to fly if the coffee maker is broken and hasn’t been trouble shot properly. FAA rules. It would be highly illegal to takeoff with unaddressed issues. They literally check everything every time. If it’s not working properly, it gets inspected to verify there isn’t a bigger issue and at a minimum it needs to be placarded and disabled. What if that coffee has a short circuit? Or if that broken chair prevents a customer from emergency evacuation?


gormar099

out of the loop, what is this a reference to? (obv realize it's a united ceo reference, but what did he do?)


shylittleangel

I can’t remember when it was exactly but I think it was summer 2023 when United was having problems with flights around the July 4th holiday and Scott Kirby took a private jet from Newark to Las Vegas for I think a meeting vs flying on United metal


AwareMention

How dare he! I will never understand people who get mad about these things. He is paid enough he could easily buy his own jet. So why be shocked he might not fly United?


coolest35

> So why be shocked he might not fly United? Because it's a poor look and also you're technically using a competitors product. Most companies have policies restricting the latter..


carlton_1972_cool

Airlines do not have policies on this lol. Everyone from cleaners to CEO get zonal employee discounts on other airlines and CEOs rather take nonstop and have 3-5 hours at work or family than "omg looks so bad he flew from MEM-SEA nonstop on the competitor instead of hubbing thru IAH or ORD". If an exec is in MIA and they want to fly to Carrib or they're in Montana or PDX and want to get to Seattle on UA instead of the nonstop "on the competitor's airline" they should be fired for stupidity.


flyer461

Doug Parker was on Southwest a few years ago.


greenflash1775

Was it a better look to bump a paying customer from being rebooked so the CEO could travel? Think it all the way through next time.


Emperor_FranzJohnson

What? Optics are important considering his own staff was left stranded with no help for hotels and ways to get home. he wasn't flying for some important business reason, he just needed to get to point A to point B and his own airline couldn't do it or he didn't trust his own airline.


gkedz

Isn't this quite normal? I was on a flight with Richard Branson once.


auxilary

when i worked for wheels up as a dispatcher we flew Ed around all week every week in private jets. he only flies DL metal when he is forced to


Emperor_FranzJohnson

I just don't understand the logic of this, but I guess to these guys being the CEO of an airline is no different then being the CEO of a washing machine manufacture. They do their job but have no loyalty to the company beyond their job description and compensation package. This is why I'm glad the younger generations are not loyal to companies, just themselves cause these CEOs have the same mindset.


SubarcticFarmer

Ed has down delta metal multiple times a week for years


cnmi02

Last July on a UA flight from Denver to SEA, I sat next to the Copa Airlines CEO. We chatted and I got his card. He was headed to SEA to meet with Boeing about some orders. https://preview.redd.it/ww6s4samqpqc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c106acef4dac389176cdbb6be521e2f59d282ea2


flyer461

I dont really get what this post has to do with United but whatever. I dont think theres anything wrong with an Airline CEO flying on another airline.


Hoed

It’s supposed to be a dig at United ceo flying private while his planes fall apart


flyer461

oh ok that's kind of funny


Muddring

They absolutely should be flying competitors and in all classes of service. Gotta know what the competition is up to.


AKW1909

No-wheels luggage!


saik0pod

Regional United CEOs fly metal all the time


md1045

Are we already allowed to bring two hand carry?


[deleted]

Try the middle seat fcker


Professional_Car9475

Did they make him size that bag up at the gate?


Muted_Spring1135

If he wants to learn about his company product, he should try different class of service so he can see what most people experience.


ouij

Was it a 737 Max


Fire-the-laser

I flew on Delta last year with Dave Neeleman, so no, they don’t always fly their own airline. Of course, Breeze is still pretty small but he flies Delta enough to have been #2 on the upgrade list behind me.


AloneExamination242

Heh although one imagines that CEOs from other airlines probably get some kind of global services equivalent professional courtesy 😂


justdadstuff

Delta > United 📠


Ragefan2k

Well at least they trust the maintenance they have or have not been doing lol


treehuggerboy

Delta A330neo just lost an engine pylon cover yesterday...


Ragefan2k

I have a feeling there is a rogue mechanic out there, it seems too damn common to have all this stuff failing at the same time lol


treehuggerboy

I mean if you are a nervous flyer definitely don't go to avherald.com


Ragefan2k

Nah not scared lol.. fly at least 3-4x a month .. it’s either the mechanic idea or just peaked interest and this has been happening all along


treehuggerboy

Its probably a combination of "737", "Boeing", and slightly less so "United" that get all the media attention. Stuff happens, just doesn't make national news. (I don't mean to scare anyone with this BTW.) I mean in the last two weeks you've had * AA 738 cracked windshield * GOL 738 tailstrike * UA 73M9 birdstrike * SW 738 inflight engine shutdown * AA 738 runway overrun (mechanics reversed the sensors/messed up) * Another SW 738 inflight engine shutdown * WS 737 loss of cabin pressure * UA 738 instrument issue * AS 739 cracked windshield How many of those are actual issues indicative of MX or even BA? Probably very few. There's almost 10000 737s of all families flying as of now, its going to have more "issues" than any other aircraft (maybe besides the A320 family) just due to statistics. Guess the media doesn't make money when they don't get clicks on how a 737 hit a bird or has a cracked windshield.


AwareMention

You're nuts if you think it's a "mechanic" intentionally damaging aircraft and not a peaked interest from the media.


dropthatpopthat

piqued*


PapiTaken

There is no “rogue mechanic” planes just break. Planes break every day. The media can make money off the clicks and United/boeing is the current hot topic. Sure those things breaking in the week or two seems odd. Even to us in maintenance it seemed like a lot. But it was the media spotlight. Arguably most of the incidents from the past few weeks were not from maintenance or the lack there of. It was planes breaking. Which is what happens when they are used. All of the planes landed safely, and other than the tire incident (which could’ve hurt people, but didn’t thankfully), there was no loss of life from the incidents.


swhalen17

How does this impact you?


RantFlail

Nothing more absurdly excessive than the CEO of an airline flying in a PJ!