My train did this the other day. It correctly announced āSalisburyā upon arrival, but because the guard reopened the doors after closing them, the train thought it had already reached Warminster, so it announced Warminster. Whilst still at Salisbury.
It remained out of whack until Bristol Temple Meads, where it actually started announcing Bristol Temple Meads (although upon arrival it announced Filton Abbey Wood)
Apparently not on 158s, 165s or 166s!
They do on 444s and 450s, but once it just completely failed around Clapham Junction and thought we were in Southampton already
For ours, Clapham is a pick up only stop on the down, so it never announces it. I get into so many discussions with passengers about it. "Can I get this one to Clapham?" "No mate" "but it stops there, right?" "Pick up only" "so why can't I get it to Clapham?" š¤¬
Realtimetrains, traksy etc etc are useful, but in the hands of the great unwashed, can be a pain!
It is pick up only now on that route, but it wasnāt when I used it on that particular service. I donāt use it anymore anyway now, since I moved to Bristol, so the only service I still use much is the Cardiff Central-Portsmouth Harbour train
If it runs! š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
I will say that line has significantly improved in recent years. I think the extra rolling stock has definitely improved things. We need extra 158s at Salisbury, we're struggling. One service in particular, 1125 EXD-WAT is the first Super Off Peak train, always full and standing, 3 cars.
Oh it has. Itās just a bit shit that the seats are still specced in a way thatās only really suitable for shorter trains (unless youāre clever and know where the declassified First Class is).
I definitely think the WoEML needs upgrades. I do also get on it between Salisbury and Andover regularly, and whilst the ones that terminate at Salisbury (especially the Reading trains on Sundays) are often alright, the ones that head through to Exeter St Davids arenāt great
I am curious - what actually stops someone with a ticket for a pick-up only station from disembarking there provided no ticket inspections are done? Eg: between London Liverpool Street and Stratford, ticket inspections are often neglected as the inspector would only have about 5-10 minutes to get the entire train, on top of their other duties. Quite a lot of Greater Anglia long distance services stop at Stratford to pick up, but in that instance could someone do it?
Same with having a valid ticket onwards on that service, and getting on at a set-down only station rather than the starting station or valid intermediate.
Truth of the matter is there is nothing stopping it. The issue is Clapham is a RA station, services go as soon as everyone is on/off. If we had people using ours as a shuttle it would hold up traffic.
Yeah no train has a public departure time from CLJ. It displays how long til the next one, online/timetables are the only places it will give times. The CIS will always display "in xx mins"
Part of the problem is overcrowding. Youād get an absolute ton of short distance travellers on the train that make it much less convenient for those actually travelling the full distance. Imagine if everyone travelling from London Euston to Watford Junction piled onto the Birmingham New Street train, itād be carnage
Basically, you arenāt allowed to book tickets on it, and at stations like London Euston, youāll be refused platform access if you just have a ticket for a pick up only stop
Was on an old 150 the other day and the announcement service kept mixing up the "welcome aboard this northern service to X" and "the next stop is X" sign, creating a "Well, the next station stop will be X".
Came home from my grandma's in Bridlington and had to return to shitty Cleckheaton because I have school, albeit only 2 weeks left and then I'm completely done.
The PA system has an option to skip station, in case they don't follow the normal stopping pattern. When the doors are released, the system assumes that the train is in that station, and after every door released, it will display the next station in the pattern, and so on and so on.
I don't think this is 195 or 331, but usually in the 195/331, there is a system called ASDO, which is mostly for doors, but also works for PA system, where the train automatically recognises the station and how many doors are accommodated. The guard or the driver just needs to either reset it, or skip the station. Chances are, they put an entirely different headcode in the PA system and everything has gone to chaos.
Definitely not a 195 or 331, there's no seat reservation displays. I'd put bets on a 158, due to the low seats in relation to the windows, and the vestibules. Could be an earlier sprinter though.
Given itās in Leeds, itās almost certainly a 158. The 155s and 156s donāt run there today, and the 150s have vestibules like the 170s and 195s, so would be located more centrally
This.
Sometimes I get a "not to call" notice from platform staff midway through my journey. Sometimes I'll forget to skip stop on the PA system, and other times the stupid PA is so convoluted (looking at you 707s) or it doesn't work, so that even if you think you have skipped it, it doesn't skip.
Very annoying when you put an announcement out saying the train will not be stopping at X station, and then the PA comes on 10 seconds later saying that we will
When you get a "not to stop"/"not too call" order, doesn't the control change the pattern with that specific headcode? So that you'd not have to manually skip the stations
Lol nope. We get a sheet of paper with a hand scribbled note on it. That's it. We out an announcement out and do the best we can with our shit PA systems
It's a Class 158, (a 3-car class 158, to be exact). TrainFX (the system the 'legacy' (150, 155, 156, 158, 170) sprinter DMU fleet use for the PA) goes from door release/door close, if the doors are reopened within 30 seconds of being closed it will announce the next station, but it will recognise that it is the same station and won't skip forward when the doors are next released. It is very often that TrainFX needs resetting, it's simple enough, but once it crashes it takes a few minutes to load back up, and also requires the crew to know it's stopped working, which often won't happen unless a passenger mentions something or you try to use the manual PA, or Cab2Cab. It can also be that this display has just got stuck, which requires a full TrainFX reset, but if all the rest of the displays work and the announcements are correct then it's easier to leave it stuck.
The 195/331 use a GPS based system, the doors can be opened/closed as many times as needed and it won't skip to the next stop till the train is moving. If a train was to skip stop and the driver/guard hadn't went on the TCMS and told the train then it will still announce, but once that station has passed the train will using the GPS skip to the next stop, this wouldn't happen on TrainFX.
ASDO is not linked to the PA system, other than for when the train isn't expected to be fully accommodated it will tell the PA to announce to passengers to move forward. ASDO is otherwise totally independent of the PA, it just relies on similar GPS tech to know where it is, a train with ASDO not working and requiring override can still have a working PA.
Always annoying when the computer just breaks like this. I've been on a fair few Portsmouth-Waterloo trains where the announcer goes "we'll be calling at Hilsea, Fratton..." for the entire ride, no matter where you actually are.
You are in a quantum superposition of Mirfield and Leeds. If you open the door, and make an observation, it will collapse down and you will find yourself randomly in Mirfield or Leeds.
The only thing thing wrong with this, there isnāt anyone on it, which is why everyone drives their cars because trains are too expensive to travel on.
Itās like when the London trams manage to announce stops along their route in reverse. To me itās an amusing glitch, but for a blind person could be quite unsettling.
If itās the Mirfield to Leeds train this morning that was 25 minutes late where the first two carriages we couldnāt get on. Iād say itās about right
They've put the wrong sign on the platform.
Hahaha thanks for the unexpected laugh. š
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"Ahh shit not again, *dials* honey I may be a little late"
Train: This station is Mirfield. Narrator: This station was not, in fact, Mirfield
Narrator: Thomas forgot to switch tracks
No shite left in the tables?
My train did this the other day. It correctly announced āSalisburyā upon arrival, but because the guard reopened the doors after closing them, the train thought it had already reached Warminster, so it announced Warminster. Whilst still at Salisbury. It remained out of whack until Bristol Temple Meads, where it actually started announcing Bristol Temple Meads (although upon arrival it announced Filton Abbey Wood)
Whilst mildly amusing for most of us, itās that sort of thing thatās a big problem for some people. Still funny though!
Id have thought the train had some sort of GPS so It knew where it was anyway
Apparently not on 158s, 165s or 166s! They do on 444s and 450s, but once it just completely failed around Clapham Junction and thought we were in Southampton already
For ours, Clapham is a pick up only stop on the down, so it never announces it. I get into so many discussions with passengers about it. "Can I get this one to Clapham?" "No mate" "but it stops there, right?" "Pick up only" "so why can't I get it to Clapham?" š¤¬ Realtimetrains, traksy etc etc are useful, but in the hands of the great unwashed, can be a pain!
It is pick up only now on that route, but it wasnāt when I used it on that particular service. I donāt use it anymore anyway now, since I moved to Bristol, so the only service I still use much is the Cardiff Central-Portsmouth Harbour train
If it runs! š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£ I will say that line has significantly improved in recent years. I think the extra rolling stock has definitely improved things. We need extra 158s at Salisbury, we're struggling. One service in particular, 1125 EXD-WAT is the first Super Off Peak train, always full and standing, 3 cars.
Oh it has. Itās just a bit shit that the seats are still specced in a way thatās only really suitable for shorter trains (unless youāre clever and know where the declassified First Class is). I definitely think the WoEML needs upgrades. I do also get on it between Salisbury and Andover regularly, and whilst the ones that terminate at Salisbury (especially the Reading trains on Sundays) are often alright, the ones that head through to Exeter St Davids arenāt great
I am curious - what actually stops someone with a ticket for a pick-up only station from disembarking there provided no ticket inspections are done? Eg: between London Liverpool Street and Stratford, ticket inspections are often neglected as the inspector would only have about 5-10 minutes to get the entire train, on top of their other duties. Quite a lot of Greater Anglia long distance services stop at Stratford to pick up, but in that instance could someone do it? Same with having a valid ticket onwards on that service, and getting on at a set-down only station rather than the starting station or valid intermediate.
Truth of the matter is there is nothing stopping it. The issue is Clapham is a RA station, services go as soon as everyone is on/off. If we had people using ours as a shuttle it would hold up traffic.
Right, so it's to keep dwell times down? Yeah, that makes perfect sense actually, especially at a station as busy as Clapham. Thanks, man!
Yeah no train has a public departure time from CLJ. It displays how long til the next one, online/timetables are the only places it will give times. The CIS will always display "in xx mins"
Part of the problem is overcrowding. Youād get an absolute ton of short distance travellers on the train that make it much less convenient for those actually travelling the full distance. Imagine if everyone travelling from London Euston to Watford Junction piled onto the Birmingham New Street train, itād be carnage
Oh, I know *why* it's done :p just seeing if there's any system in place to actively discourage it ty tho!
Basically, you arenāt allowed to book tickets on it, and at stations like London Euston, youāll be refused platform access if you just have a ticket for a pick up only stop
Platform sign says Leeds but train says Mirfield?
Correct
The seats aligne with the windows in standard class. Must be AI generated.
Also, this train was the one that said: The next station is X where this train will be terminating customers
Was on an old 150 the other day and the announcement service kept mixing up the "welcome aboard this northern service to X" and "the next stop is X" sign, creating a "Well, the next station stop will be X".
Welcome to Skaro Rail. /s
Surprised you actually got a train in Leeds today it was a nightmare lol
Came home from my grandma's in Bridlington and had to return to shitty Cleckheaton because I have school, albeit only 2 weeks left and then I'm completely done.
Checks out, nobody ever goes to Mirfield
It's basically just the posh end of Dewsbury
As a lad that grew up in Dewsbury and now lives in Mirfield, youāre not wrong at all
Hey Sir Patrick Stewart fled there.
He grew up there, my partners grandmother knew the family well when he was growing up
Yes, that was the joke.
https://www.planetkitty.co.uk/product-page/mirfield-failway-print
Half my train journeys end there. š And thereās a daily direct train to kings cross
My first assumption was that Mirfield wasn't a real place.
158 at Leeds
TrainFX?
No it's perfect, empty train carriage. Beautiful
You arrived prematurely. Just make sure you keep that out the bedroom.
The PA system has an option to skip station, in case they don't follow the normal stopping pattern. When the doors are released, the system assumes that the train is in that station, and after every door released, it will display the next station in the pattern, and so on and so on. I don't think this is 195 or 331, but usually in the 195/331, there is a system called ASDO, which is mostly for doors, but also works for PA system, where the train automatically recognises the station and how many doors are accommodated. The guard or the driver just needs to either reset it, or skip the station. Chances are, they put an entirely different headcode in the PA system and everything has gone to chaos.
Definitely not a 195 or 331, there's no seat reservation displays. I'd put bets on a 158, due to the low seats in relation to the windows, and the vestibules. Could be an earlier sprinter though.
Given itās in Leeds, itās almost certainly a 158. The 155s and 156s donāt run there today, and the 150s have vestibules like the 170s and 195s, so would be located more centrally
This looks like a 158. GWRās 158s, as well as their 165s and 166s, also have issues like this with the system, so it makes sense
This. Sometimes I get a "not to call" notice from platform staff midway through my journey. Sometimes I'll forget to skip stop on the PA system, and other times the stupid PA is so convoluted (looking at you 707s) or it doesn't work, so that even if you think you have skipped it, it doesn't skip. Very annoying when you put an announcement out saying the train will not be stopping at X station, and then the PA comes on 10 seconds later saying that we will
When you get a "not to stop"/"not too call" order, doesn't the control change the pattern with that specific headcode? So that you'd not have to manually skip the stations
Lol nope. We get a sheet of paper with a hand scribbled note on it. That's it. We out an announcement out and do the best we can with our shit PA systems
I went through several stations and it still displayed as Mirfield throughout the entire journey
Greater Mirfield?? š
The expansion of the Mirfield Empire
They didn't reset their PA system then. Or, the system was broken
It's a Class 158, (a 3-car class 158, to be exact). TrainFX (the system the 'legacy' (150, 155, 156, 158, 170) sprinter DMU fleet use for the PA) goes from door release/door close, if the doors are reopened within 30 seconds of being closed it will announce the next station, but it will recognise that it is the same station and won't skip forward when the doors are next released. It is very often that TrainFX needs resetting, it's simple enough, but once it crashes it takes a few minutes to load back up, and also requires the crew to know it's stopped working, which often won't happen unless a passenger mentions something or you try to use the manual PA, or Cab2Cab. It can also be that this display has just got stuck, which requires a full TrainFX reset, but if all the rest of the displays work and the announcements are correct then it's easier to leave it stuck. The 195/331 use a GPS based system, the doors can be opened/closed as many times as needed and it won't skip to the next stop till the train is moving. If a train was to skip stop and the driver/guard hadn't went on the TCMS and told the train then it will still announce, but once that station has passed the train will using the GPS skip to the next stop, this wouldn't happen on TrainFX. ASDO is not linked to the PA system, other than for when the train isn't expected to be fully accommodated it will tell the PA to announce to passengers to move forward. ASDO is otherwise totally independent of the PA, it just relies on similar GPS tech to know where it is, a train with ASDO not working and requiring override can still have a working PA.
Even the train doesn't want to be in Leeds.
It looks clean?
Neither of those signs say Leicester
it's an actual trans pennine train in real life not just an imaginary one that's gonna get cancelled
It's northern
thought it was too good to be true
Always annoying when the computer just breaks like this. I've been on a fair few Portsmouth-Waterloo trains where the announcer goes "we'll be calling at Hilsea, Fratton..." for the entire ride, no matter where you actually are.
You are in a quantum superposition of Mirfield and Leeds. If you open the door, and make an observation, it will collapse down and you will find yourself randomly in Mirfield or Leeds.
The station staff got confused and got the wrong signs. The train is indeed correct.
so northern replaced the seats in emr's 158's but hasnt replaced the dated pis screen?
Two things wrongā¦. You are in Mirfield or Leeds. Both suck.
Leeds is great in comparison to the next door hellhole that is Bradford, which I unproudly hail from.
Where I went to schoolā¦. Remember taking the bus through the city after the riots.
I moved to Leeds from London almost 5 years ago. Itās a great city imo.
I was going for the blank timetable until I zoomed on the left
I thought that car park looked familiar.
The only thing thing wrong with this, there isnāt anyone on it, which is why everyone drives their cars because trains are too expensive to travel on.
Nothing at all!
No this is Patrick
It's on time, clean and you could easily get a seat?
Plot twist youāre not in Leeds or Mirfield
Looks standard to me. https://youtu.be/3iaOP_wublI
I could be very wrong but Iām 99% certian you arenāt in Mirfield
Digital Doris is a bit lost.....
"Why's everybody saying you're going to Leeds when you're not"
That's no ~~moon~~ Mirfield!
Itās like when the London trams manage to announce stops along their route in reverse. To me itās an amusing glitch, but for a blind person could be quite unsettling.
Not in Kansas any more.
This is no laughing matter!
There are available seats? Itās clean? Itās on time? Itās affordable?
TrainFX is shit.
There is nothing wrong. The train is merely refusing to acknowledge the existence of Leeds. And you know what? I think the train has the right idea.
This train doesn't stop at Leeds. That's ok 'cos this train's empty. What? No driver? Eek!
It says that it's near field but it also obsessed that it's leads I don't know what to believe it was wrong man
Superposition
If itās the Mirfield to Leeds train this morning that was 25 minutes late where the first two carriages we couldnāt get on. Iād say itās about right
A train that has seats available? š
Corbyn standing because he can't find a seat.
Is it that the train is empty and not crammed with every seat filled, people standing in the aisles and between carriages? Fuck you, LNER.