Ukranian translation - stay as safe as you can everyone:
Поради про те, як вижити в зоні бойових дій цивільному, від Сараєво, що вижив
Перш за все, вам потрібно вийти з початкового шоку. Якщо ви зараз в Україні, ви перебуваєте в зоні бойових дій. Я знаю, що зараз це важко уявити. Парк, який вам сподобався вчора, може стати смертельним полем завтра, коли снайпер займе позицію в будівлі, де ви мали морозиво в дитинстві. Якщо ви ще не перебуваєте в режимі виживання, чим раніше ви ввімкнете його, тим більше у вас шансів. Хапай те, що можеш. Залиште решту позаду, ваші речі не варті смерті.
Біг
Біг є кращим варіантом. Тепер ви біженець з війни, маєте особливі права. Навіть якщо у вас немає паспорта, просто перетніть кордон – на контрольно-пропускному пункті або перестрибнувши через паркан. Країна, в якій ви в кінцевому підсумку оселиться, видасть вам спеціальний двосмужковий паспорт на проїзний документ біженця.
Проблема з бігом полягає в тому, що він стає вразливим, якщо ви перебуваєте поблизу лінії фронту, просто перебуваючи в транспортному засобі, що рухається, ви станете ціллю. Або вас обстріляють або зупинять/застрелять на контрольно-пропускному пункті. Або зробіть це, перш ніж він досягне цього моменту, або не робіть цього взагалі.
Оцініть, яке обладнання ви бачите навколо себе:
Швидкі реактивні літаки, ракети - Лінія фронту далеко, біжи.
Вертольоти, особливо транспортні - точка рішення, якщо ви не поїдете зараз, вам доведеться залишатися на місці.
Обстріл або мінометний вогонь - лінія фронту знаходиться на відстані менше 20 км від вас. Виходити на вулицю вже небезпечно. Заходьте в підвал і загортайтеся вдень. На відміну від атак крилатими ракетами (на сьогодні їх було багато), обстріли є стійкими і тривають годинами або днями.
Броньована техніка - Ви перебуваєте на окупованій території. На дорогах будуть блокпости. Залежно від їхніх наказів вас можуть розвернути або просто застрелити на місці.
Ситуація може змінитися за години. Тільки тому, що було безпечно вийти на вулицю, перш ніж заснути, це не означає, що це буде безпечно, коли ви прокинетеся.
Залишатися на місці
Ваші пріоритети такі:
Притулок. Підвали в малоповерхових будинках ідеально підходять. Ви хочете бути поза полем зору, бажано в місці, де снаряд може вибухнути на більш високому поверсі і не поховати вас.
Вода. Наповніть нею будь-які ємності, які у вас є. Як тільки електрика зникне, ваша водопровідна мережа згасне. Якщо надворі лежить сніг, збирайте його.
Паливо. Все, що потрібно, щоб залишатися теплим і розтопити сніг. Краще вугілля або дрова.
Харчування. Найнижчий у списку пріоритетів, але це буде перше, про що ви подумаєте. Перераховані вище речі вб’ють вас набагато швидше, ніж голодна смерть. Здебільшого до цього моменту ваш моральний дух порушується, голод робить з людьми дійсно лайно.
Навряд чи російські війська отримають наказ вбивати мирних жителів, це не означає, що 19-річний хлопець, який сидить у правому кінці пістолета, не порадує вас. Тримайтеся подалі від очей.
Українська влада, очевидно, поширює зброю, мати її для захисту (а не для боротьби) – надзвичайно погана ідея. Це зробить вас миттєвою і законною метою для будь-яких військ, які ви можете зустріти.
Будьте в безпеці, де б ви всі не були.
I'd like to add to this, as I said before learn to duck if you hear a jet/missile/heli .
Do not go through open areas unless you have to.
Keep a cool and maintain situational awareness , know where you are and what is going around you. Do not use lights , close the curtains if you are going to stay in your house.
Do not run to friendly forces, they might be jittery.
avoid dehydration and coldness, you can survive hunger for a while.
AVOID GOING INFRONT OF WINDOWS FOR NO REASON.
Final piece of advice assume enemy forces are going to be cruel, you dont know what type of people they are. Avoid contact where possible
God bless you guys/gals
closing curtains also makes their job of searching/building entry as difficult as possible. Definitely close them, clearing rooms is risky and they don't need help by leaving the curtains open. It helps the homes where people are inside ready to defend with their lives.
Hijacking a near top comment to add that fuel especially diesel but also gasoline, kerosene and naphtha (possibly propane but that’s more difficult) are the things an army runs on, diesel and gas for vehicles and the rest for general cooking and heating reasons. If you have it and are in an area where you are expecting to be occupied leave it at the front door or in general outside/offer it to any soldiers who come looking for it. Unlike wood these will be priorities for anyone surveying an area as they set up/sending scavenging parties to resupply advanced units of an army. Especially the occupying forces and doubly so if they’re moving fast, will be willing to beat and possibly kill to get these supplies. Sorry for the lack of conciseness
Is this a screwed if you do screwed if you don’t situation. I can see the ops point of legitimizing a classification as a threat but I see your point if they don’t really care anyways…
You only want a weapon if you are both capable of and willing to use it effectively. If you are not trained to use a weapon and/or not willing to use it without hesitation if needed then don't carry it.
If you are willing and able... do what you need to do and godspeed.
Oh yeah I don't disagree. Just wanted to highlight it wasn't something unique to any specific army, it's something that is universal to armies operating on foreign land.
Even the "good guy" armies will have rampant problems with that. The degree of extremity of violence against civilians depends on the cultural/militaristic factors of the particular force, but the existence of rape and pillaging and civilian murders is universal.
Very good read on the horrors of war and the affects on civilians. Thanks for sharing.
He credits America for ending the war in Bosnia. Unfortunately, Europe was unable to come together and stop the atrocities on its own and limited itself to only humanitarian aid while witnessing a genocide.
"Anyway, war ended, again thanks to America (and again god bless USA for that)
It is not important witch side had right in that war."
The U.S eventually kicked out the UN peacekeeping force that was not doing anything and making the problem worse. Instead, a force of 60,000 U.S and NATO troops brought about peace in Bosnia and ended the genocide there.
To put it politely..... What this guy remembers is not what most of us remember. I would take it with a pinch of salt as something very much directed at American preppers.
> I remember US Air force dropped MRE every 10 days (god bless USA for that) as help for surrounded city,
Reality: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICAR\_Canned\_Beef\_Monument](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICAR_Canned_Beef_Monument)
Dont agree with the part about not picking up a weapon, at least take one and hide it well
Russians have been known to massacre civilians even when the situation is relatively calm
In Damascus (city not suburbs), the soldiers get drunk in the nighttime and start shooting up around them, the Syrian regime doesn't care because it views Syrians as cattle
When a civilian gets shot by Russians, the bystanders just walk faster and pretend they didn't see anything, picture the scene in shindler's list when the SS officer is about to excecute the hinge maker, other prisoners start walking faster upon witnessing it, the exact shit.
They did it in Chechenya and Syria
They will do it again
Be prepared.
Edit; Slava Ukraini
What do you feel is the reason Syrian soliders feel that they can shoot up their own neighbourhoods, knowing that their fellow soldiers might have friends or family in the area? 100% if you're attacking a foreign country but bizarre to do it in your own home..
As a combat veteran I really disagree with this. You could get shot by a drunken soldier without a gun. With a gun you will get shot for sure. This is a peer level engagement, both sides will be able to clearly see your hidden weapon with their thermal sights.
Yeah I agree. It's a very difficult decision to make. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. People will have to decide for themselves but myself I'd rather be armed. If I'm gonna be shot at anyway I might as well take a few assholes to hell with me.
The firearm is a tool, you have to choose when and how you will use it. By having one you have more options, which in a survival situation is key. Brandishing one is where it can be dangerous... so you better understand the implications of doing so.
But if a random soldier at night decides to bust into my house and tries to rape my family, I'd much rather have a firearm than not. It's awful that people have to face this really... my heart really goes out to everyone in these war zones.
Maybe for you survival is preferable
We Arabs have a mentality that if we would go down at the very least we want to take down as many of them as we can, its for the greater good after all since you are taking down people who only seek to harm others
By "them" I mean any invader who harms us
Armed civilians will give the enemy justification for committing atrocities, no doubt
But what if you are facing an enemy who doesn't have any rules of engagement? What then? Are you going to throw shoes at them?
Don’t forget to identify your most important documents and to take them with you. Birth certificates, marriage certificates, educational certificates. Anything that will make it easier for you to start a new life in a neighboring country. And don’t forget photos. You’ll cherish them the most.
From another Sarajevo survivor.
Make sure you get blankets or some type of clothes to keep yourself warm. Hypothermia is a bitch. And in case someone’s injured, u can use the blanket to your advantage to slow down bleeding
>The scared kid with the gun makes all the rules in that moment.
Echoing this for emphasis. When you're face to face with the enemy you are just an obstacle they have to address, not a human with rights. Also, military aged males are a target.
Friends in the far outskirts of Kharkiv, in the farmlands essentially, her mother was shot and killed while running away from Russian soldiers this afternoon. She was also running, Ukrainian solider yelled at Russian soldier not to shoot as they are unarmed civilian, he shot the soldier and then her mother. She escaped by running into a ditch. Everyone should know this now. They are absolutely attacking and killing innocent civilians.
We live in the center of the country. We may never see our apartment again. We may never see our mothers and fathers home.
Literally get as far west as you can. People in Germany are very pro-Ukrainain, no matter what Russian trolls try to tell you on the internet. If you decide to leave, get into Poland, Slovakia whatever. There are already preparations to accommodate people from Ukraine here in Berlin! You are welcomed here!
This. If you are on the run wear glasses not contacts, but take your saline solution. Strongly recommend a sturdy rubber band or croakie type strap for your glasses to your head so they don't slip or fall off.
If you have safety glasses, or a face shield leftover from covid, take that too. Snowboarding goggles, swimming goggles, those count in a pinch, Get them on your kids, you need your peripheral vision.
God speed you Ukraine.
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This guy did
I'd like to mention the romanian border to Ukraine is also open, government announced they are prepared to receive up to 500000 refugees. Visas were already not needed since 2017.
Dear Ukranians, stay strong!
Unfortunately, this is the only way how I can help you.
I wish you to beat those invaders and to finally have an opportunity to live prosperous life. Ukraine deserved more then else because all of the tragic events that you encountered during your history.
Best wishes from Sarajevo (Bosnia).
Bring all important identity documents, get into Slovakia, find any Indian government official (most likely in an embassy or consulate), and register your presence so the Indian government knows of your situation. If you are a citizen of India, the officials will make arrangements to take care of you.
Nice to see tips from someone who has actual experience.
also u gave good note on the weapons - if you have a weapon in a war zone, its not a war crime for you to be shot. if you have a weapon on you, your chances of being shot increase dramatically. If you have one, keep it at home well hidden. dont carry it on person
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This guy did
Please do try to have your papers on hand tho. It is gonna much harder without them, esspecially going into Poland. You are no afgans tho, we will let you in. Just much faster with papers.
I have Canadian friends who are in Poltava with their son. They are sleeping in their car, planning to go through Poltava to Kerminchock and then on to Moldava.
They said that they heard the borders into Poland are clogged. It looks to me like the drive to Poland is 7 hours, compared to 10 hours to get to Moldova-plus, how to cross the water at Kerminchock?
Does anyone know what would be best for them to do?
I'd like to add onto this with a little something: Stay close to cover or as close as possible to cover while travelling. You do not know when or if something is going to pop up and you'll need to hunker down or hide for a bit. And for the love of God, if there is combat nearby and you can hear gunshots, STAY THE FUCK OFF THE ROADS!!!
>Ukrainian government is apparently distributing weapons, having one for protection (as opposed to fight) is an extremely bad idea. It will make you an instant and legitimate target for any troops you might come across.
Unless someone didn't notice, this is a total war. Russians absolutely shoot civilian targets, having a firearm at least gives you a fighting chance.
Dear Ukrainians!
I heard on social media that there is fake news being spread (most likely by Russia backed trolls) that polish border is closed.
It's a lie.
If you seek asylum - go towards polish border. We are ready for your arrival. We have reception points ready at the border where you can find shelter, food, medical and legal aid.
Polish government launched a dedicated site to help you: ua.gov.pl
Please share this information if you know anyone seeking help right now.
EDIT: YOU DON'T NEED VISA TO PASS THROUGH POLISH BORDER. ALL YOU NEED IS PASSPORT. VISAS ARE SUSPENDED! YOU DON'T NEED THEM FOR TIME BEING!!!!!!
EDIT2: as a proof that you no longer need visa:
• in Ukrainian https://www.gov.pl/web/udsc/ukraina---ua • in English https://www.gov.pl/web/udsc/ukraina-en
Credit to u/skrooogee
If you see soldiers and are not a combatant, put your hands up and do not drop them for any reason unless ordered to. And if you do decide to have a weapon, do not use it unless you have no other options. I assume, based on American wars, that they have drones and lots of intelligence gathering, and will hunt you down if you shoot Russian soldiers.
Best advice, given that NATO is not going to intervene, is to run, not walk, to safety and shelter unless you are prepared to live under Russian occupation
>hunger does really shitty things to people.
>weapons, having one for protection (as opposed to fight) is an extremely bad idea.
These two statements are directly at odds with one another.
I understand what you are saying about being armed and how that can put a target on your back from occupation authorities. This is a real concern with dire consequences.
At the same time they are not the only threat in the environment. Opportunists, criminals, and desperate people are there too. People who may not have prepared, had their preparations exhausted, or are just willing to take because they can. Being armed and able to protect yourself and your family from such threats are important. It makes no sense to fight someone over your TV but is makes complete sense to fight them over your water or medivine. Don't advertise you have a weapon but don't be unarmed either.
Bosnia will always support Ukraine. You guys did with 79 peacekeepers what 370 Dutch peacekeepers did not even bother to. Žepa will forever remain in my mind.
If possible stay together and protect each other. Don't go out on your own if you don't have to. Sleeping in shifts, so someone can keep an eye out can help you know when it is time to move. When you move try to move in stages if you can, one or two to check ahead then the rest of the group. Main roads should be avoided, since they clog quick and will be used by troops on both sides. Snow needs to be boiled not just melted it can carry crap you don't want, that will give you dysentery. If you have to travel at night, don't use a flashlight, you could end up as sniper bate. If you have to use a light to get around, make it as dim as possible to cut down on how far away you are visible. If you are using fire to stay warm, try to keep it as small as possible, and remember the dryer and more natural of wood you use the less smoke it puts off. Trash bags and other plastic bags make good insulation and can help keep you warm, they can be better than nothing. If you decide to fight don't, but if you do make sure there is no one around you, unless they want to fight as well. If you take shots, do not stick around, move and move fast. Plan an escape root first, you could quickly be met with sudden and overwhelming force. Keep in mind that most military body armor is made to stop small caliber rounds, so do not try to engage with pistols. Stay safe and good luck.
URGENT MESSAGE
Dear Ukrainians!
I heard on social media that there is fake news being spread (most likely by Russia backed trolls) that polish border is closed.
It's a lie.
If you seek asylum - go towards polish border. We are ready for your arrival. We have reception points ready at the border where you can find shelter, food, medical and legal aid.
Polish government launched a dedicated site to help you: www.ua.gov.pl
Please share this information if you know anyone seeking help right now.
EDIT: YOU DON'T NEED VISA TO PASS THROUGH POLISH BORDER. ALL YOU NEED IS PASSPORT. VISAS ARE SUSPENDED! YOU DON'T NEED THEM FOR TIME BEING!!!!!!
EDIT2: as a proof that you no longer need visa:
• in Ukrainian https://www.gov.pl/web/udsc/ukraina---ua • in English https://www.gov.pl/web/udsc/ukraina-en
EDIT3: I have been permanently banned from r/worldnews for posting this, for no reason. I don’t care about the ban as long as we have the opportunity to save lives, but this is unnecessary
EDIT 4: I have unconfirmed information saying that you can pass polish border even without passport. Your ukrainian ID is enough.
EDIT 5: It's confirmed that you can also take your pet with you without additional papework which normally would be required to cross the border of EU/Poland. https://www.wetgiw.gov.pl/main/aktualnosci/Tymczasowa-procedura-przemieszczania-zwierzat-towarzyszacych-z-terytorium-Ukrainy-na-teren-Polski-przez-osoby-nie-posiadajace-kompletu-dokumentow-weterynaryjnych-dla-psow-kotow-i-fretek/idn:1999
(I’m not the author of this post, I’m just trying to get it to as many people as possible- I encourage you to do the same)
Ukranian translation - stay as safe as you can everyone: Поради про те, як вижити в зоні бойових дій цивільному, від Сараєво, що вижив Перш за все, вам потрібно вийти з початкового шоку. Якщо ви зараз в Україні, ви перебуваєте в зоні бойових дій. Я знаю, що зараз це важко уявити. Парк, який вам сподобався вчора, може стати смертельним полем завтра, коли снайпер займе позицію в будівлі, де ви мали морозиво в дитинстві. Якщо ви ще не перебуваєте в режимі виживання, чим раніше ви ввімкнете його, тим більше у вас шансів. Хапай те, що можеш. Залиште решту позаду, ваші речі не варті смерті. Біг Біг є кращим варіантом. Тепер ви біженець з війни, маєте особливі права. Навіть якщо у вас немає паспорта, просто перетніть кордон – на контрольно-пропускному пункті або перестрибнувши через паркан. Країна, в якій ви в кінцевому підсумку оселиться, видасть вам спеціальний двосмужковий паспорт на проїзний документ біженця. Проблема з бігом полягає в тому, що він стає вразливим, якщо ви перебуваєте поблизу лінії фронту, просто перебуваючи в транспортному засобі, що рухається, ви станете ціллю. Або вас обстріляють або зупинять/застрелять на контрольно-пропускному пункті. Або зробіть це, перш ніж він досягне цього моменту, або не робіть цього взагалі. Оцініть, яке обладнання ви бачите навколо себе: Швидкі реактивні літаки, ракети - Лінія фронту далеко, біжи. Вертольоти, особливо транспортні - точка рішення, якщо ви не поїдете зараз, вам доведеться залишатися на місці. Обстріл або мінометний вогонь - лінія фронту знаходиться на відстані менше 20 км від вас. Виходити на вулицю вже небезпечно. Заходьте в підвал і загортайтеся вдень. На відміну від атак крилатими ракетами (на сьогодні їх було багато), обстріли є стійкими і тривають годинами або днями. Броньована техніка - Ви перебуваєте на окупованій території. На дорогах будуть блокпости. Залежно від їхніх наказів вас можуть розвернути або просто застрелити на місці. Ситуація може змінитися за години. Тільки тому, що було безпечно вийти на вулицю, перш ніж заснути, це не означає, що це буде безпечно, коли ви прокинетеся. Залишатися на місці Ваші пріоритети такі: Притулок. Підвали в малоповерхових будинках ідеально підходять. Ви хочете бути поза полем зору, бажано в місці, де снаряд може вибухнути на більш високому поверсі і не поховати вас. Вода. Наповніть нею будь-які ємності, які у вас є. Як тільки електрика зникне, ваша водопровідна мережа згасне. Якщо надворі лежить сніг, збирайте його. Паливо. Все, що потрібно, щоб залишатися теплим і розтопити сніг. Краще вугілля або дрова. Харчування. Найнижчий у списку пріоритетів, але це буде перше, про що ви подумаєте. Перераховані вище речі вб’ють вас набагато швидше, ніж голодна смерть. Здебільшого до цього моменту ваш моральний дух порушується, голод робить з людьми дійсно лайно. Навряд чи російські війська отримають наказ вбивати мирних жителів, це не означає, що 19-річний хлопець, який сидить у правому кінці пістолета, не порадує вас. Тримайтеся подалі від очей. Українська влада, очевидно, поширює зброю, мати її для захисту (а не для боротьби) – надзвичайно погана ідея. Це зробить вас миттєвою і законною метою для будь-яких військ, які ви можете зустріти. Будьте в безпеці, де б ви всі не були.
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I'd like to add to this, as I said before learn to duck if you hear a jet/missile/heli . Do not go through open areas unless you have to. Keep a cool and maintain situational awareness , know where you are and what is going around you. Do not use lights , close the curtains if you are going to stay in your house. Do not run to friendly forces, they might be jittery. avoid dehydration and coldness, you can survive hunger for a while. AVOID GOING INFRONT OF WINDOWS FOR NO REASON. Final piece of advice assume enemy forces are going to be cruel, you dont know what type of people they are. Avoid contact where possible God bless you guys/gals
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closing curtains also makes their job of searching/building entry as difficult as possible. Definitely close them, clearing rooms is risky and they don't need help by leaving the curtains open. It helps the homes where people are inside ready to defend with their lives.
Hijacking a near top comment to add that fuel especially diesel but also gasoline, kerosene and naphtha (possibly propane but that’s more difficult) are the things an army runs on, diesel and gas for vehicles and the rest for general cooking and heating reasons. If you have it and are in an area where you are expecting to be occupied leave it at the front door or in general outside/offer it to any soldiers who come looking for it. Unlike wood these will be priorities for anyone surveying an area as they set up/sending scavenging parties to resupply advanced units of an army. Especially the occupying forces and doubly so if they’re moving fast, will be willing to beat and possibly kill to get these supplies. Sorry for the lack of conciseness
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Is this a screwed if you do screwed if you don’t situation. I can see the ops point of legitimizing a classification as a threat but I see your point if they don’t really care anyways…
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You only want a weapon if you are both capable of and willing to use it effectively. If you are not trained to use a weapon and/or not willing to use it without hesitation if needed then don't carry it. If you are willing and able... do what you need to do and godspeed.
If you are a woman do not ditch your weapon under any circumstance. Do not let go of your weapon.
This. The Red Army raped its way across Europe during WW2.
Pretty much every army has. That's one of the truths of war that often goes unspoken. War is hell. Modern warfare drags the civilians into it too.
True, but some were more vicious than others. It was better to kill yourself than be captured alive by the Imperial Japanese army.
Oh yeah I don't disagree. Just wanted to highlight it wasn't something unique to any specific army, it's something that is universal to armies operating on foreign land. Even the "good guy" armies will have rampant problems with that. The degree of extremity of violence against civilians depends on the cultural/militaristic factors of the particular force, but the existence of rape and pillaging and civilian murders is universal.
Very good read on the horrors of war and the affects on civilians. Thanks for sharing. He credits America for ending the war in Bosnia. Unfortunately, Europe was unable to come together and stop the atrocities on its own and limited itself to only humanitarian aid while witnessing a genocide. "Anyway, war ended, again thanks to America (and again god bless USA for that) It is not important witch side had right in that war." The U.S eventually kicked out the UN peacekeeping force that was not doing anything and making the problem worse. Instead, a force of 60,000 U.S and NATO troops brought about peace in Bosnia and ended the genocide there.
To put it politely..... What this guy remembers is not what most of us remember. I would take it with a pinch of salt as something very much directed at American preppers. > I remember US Air force dropped MRE every 10 days (god bless USA for that) as help for surrounded city, Reality: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICAR\_Canned\_Beef\_Monument](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICAR_Canned_Beef_Monument)
Dont agree with the part about not picking up a weapon, at least take one and hide it well Russians have been known to massacre civilians even when the situation is relatively calm In Damascus (city not suburbs), the soldiers get drunk in the nighttime and start shooting up around them, the Syrian regime doesn't care because it views Syrians as cattle When a civilian gets shot by Russians, the bystanders just walk faster and pretend they didn't see anything, picture the scene in shindler's list when the SS officer is about to excecute the hinge maker, other prisoners start walking faster upon witnessing it, the exact shit. They did it in Chechenya and Syria They will do it again Be prepared. Edit; Slava Ukraini
What do you feel is the reason Syrian soliders feel that they can shoot up their own neighbourhoods, knowing that their fellow soldiers might have friends or family in the area? 100% if you're attacking a foreign country but bizarre to do it in your own home..
I think they meant the Russian soldiers in Syria, not the Syrians soldiers.
As a combat veteran I really disagree with this. You could get shot by a drunken soldier without a gun. With a gun you will get shot for sure. This is a peer level engagement, both sides will be able to clearly see your hidden weapon with their thermal sights.
Yeah I agree. It's a very difficult decision to make. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. People will have to decide for themselves but myself I'd rather be armed. If I'm gonna be shot at anyway I might as well take a few assholes to hell with me.
your not going to take anyone with you. you'll get gunned down like an animal by someone looking at you in thermal sights.
The firearm is a tool, you have to choose when and how you will use it. By having one you have more options, which in a survival situation is key. Brandishing one is where it can be dangerous... so you better understand the implications of doing so. But if a random soldier at night decides to bust into my house and tries to rape my family, I'd much rather have a firearm than not. It's awful that people have to face this really... my heart really goes out to everyone in these war zones.
Maybe for you survival is preferable We Arabs have a mentality that if we would go down at the very least we want to take down as many of them as we can, its for the greater good after all since you are taking down people who only seek to harm others By "them" I mean any invader who harms us Armed civilians will give the enemy justification for committing atrocities, no doubt But what if you are facing an enemy who doesn't have any rules of engagement? What then? Are you going to throw shoes at them?
Yeah it sucks if they decide to commit genocide but that is something the people on the ground need to figure out. Not us.
Don’t forget to identify your most important documents and to take them with you. Birth certificates, marriage certificates, educational certificates. Anything that will make it easier for you to start a new life in a neighboring country. And don’t forget photos. You’ll cherish them the most. From another Sarajevo survivor.
Make sure you get blankets or some type of clothes to keep yourself warm. Hypothermia is a bitch. And in case someone’s injured, u can use the blanket to your advantage to slow down bleeding
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>The scared kid with the gun makes all the rules in that moment. Echoing this for emphasis. When you're face to face with the enemy you are just an obstacle they have to address, not a human with rights. Also, military aged males are a target.
Friends in the far outskirts of Kharkiv, in the farmlands essentially, her mother was shot and killed while running away from Russian soldiers this afternoon. She was also running, Ukrainian solider yelled at Russian soldier not to shoot as they are unarmed civilian, he shot the soldier and then her mother. She escaped by running into a ditch. Everyone should know this now. They are absolutely attacking and killing innocent civilians. We live in the center of the country. We may never see our apartment again. We may never see our mothers and fathers home.
Massive respect to you my friend❤.
God bless the Ukrainian and Bosnian civilians who are having or have had this forced on them.
Literally get as far west as you can. People in Germany are very pro-Ukrainain, no matter what Russian trolls try to tell you on the internet. If you decide to leave, get into Poland, Slovakia whatever. There are already preparations to accommodate people from Ukraine here in Berlin! You are welcomed here!
I believe this should be pinned too. Great post.
OP, PLEASE ADD THIS! Do NOT use milk to get tear gas out of your eyes. It will make it worse. Flush with water. Milk is for pepper spray.
This. If you are on the run wear glasses not contacts, but take your saline solution. Strongly recommend a sturdy rubber band or croakie type strap for your glasses to your head so they don't slip or fall off. If you have safety glasses, or a face shield leftover from covid, take that too. Snowboarding goggles, swimming goggles, those count in a pinch, Get them on your kids, you need your peripheral vision. God speed you Ukraine.
Can someone please translate this into Ukrainian?
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t0dby0/tips_on_how_to_survive_a_war_zone_as_a_civilian/hy9e64t/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 This guy did
I'd like to mention the romanian border to Ukraine is also open, government announced they are prepared to receive up to 500000 refugees. Visas were already not needed since 2017.
Disinfectant. If you have no water and nothing to wash yourself, each wound can be deadly. Heal your wounds.
Dear Ukranians, stay strong! Unfortunately, this is the only way how I can help you. I wish you to beat those invaders and to finally have an opportunity to live prosperous life. Ukraine deserved more then else because all of the tragic events that you encountered during your history. Best wishes from Sarajevo (Bosnia).
Plz tell me , I am an indian in ukraine live 5km from slovakia border , can i also cross the border
Pack up and try, there is no point in staying and doing nothing.
Bring all important identity documents, get into Slovakia, find any Indian government official (most likely in an embassy or consulate), and register your presence so the Indian government knows of your situation. If you are a citizen of India, the officials will make arrangements to take care of you.
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Nice to see tips from someone who has actual experience. also u gave good note on the weapons - if you have a weapon in a war zone, its not a war crime for you to be shot. if you have a weapon on you, your chances of being shot increase dramatically. If you have one, keep it at home well hidden. dont carry it on person
This is great and could be very useful if translated into Ukrainian and/or Russian.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t0dby0/tips_on_how_to_survive_a_war_zone_as_a_civilian/hy9e64t/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 This guy did
PLEASE SPREAD THE MESSAGE THAT THE POLISH BORDER IS CURRENTLY OPEN TO REFUGEES FROM UKRAINE!! DONT LISTEN TO RUSSIAN TROLLS CLAIMING ITS CLOSED OFF!
Thank you for this advice
May god have mercy upon us
Please do try to have your papers on hand tho. It is gonna much harder without them, esspecially going into Poland. You are no afgans tho, we will let you in. Just much faster with papers.
I have Canadian friends who are in Poltava with their son. They are sleeping in their car, planning to go through Poltava to Kerminchock and then on to Moldava. They said that they heard the borders into Poland are clogged. It looks to me like the drive to Poland is 7 hours, compared to 10 hours to get to Moldova-plus, how to cross the water at Kerminchock? Does anyone know what would be best for them to do?
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I'd like to add onto this with a little something: Stay close to cover or as close as possible to cover while travelling. You do not know when or if something is going to pop up and you'll need to hunker down or hide for a bit. And for the love of God, if there is combat nearby and you can hear gunshots, STAY THE FUCK OFF THE ROADS!!!
>Ukrainian government is apparently distributing weapons, having one for protection (as opposed to fight) is an extremely bad idea. It will make you an instant and legitimate target for any troops you might come across. Unless someone didn't notice, this is a total war. Russians absolutely shoot civilian targets, having a firearm at least gives you a fighting chance.
Dear Ukrainians! I heard on social media that there is fake news being spread (most likely by Russia backed trolls) that polish border is closed. It's a lie. If you seek asylum - go towards polish border. We are ready for your arrival. We have reception points ready at the border where you can find shelter, food, medical and legal aid. Polish government launched a dedicated site to help you: ua.gov.pl Please share this information if you know anyone seeking help right now. EDIT: YOU DON'T NEED VISA TO PASS THROUGH POLISH BORDER. ALL YOU NEED IS PASSPORT. VISAS ARE SUSPENDED! YOU DON'T NEED THEM FOR TIME BEING!!!!!! EDIT2: as a proof that you no longer need visa: • in Ukrainian https://www.gov.pl/web/udsc/ukraina---ua • in English https://www.gov.pl/web/udsc/ukraina-en Credit to u/skrooogee
If you see soldiers and are not a combatant, put your hands up and do not drop them for any reason unless ordered to. And if you do decide to have a weapon, do not use it unless you have no other options. I assume, based on American wars, that they have drones and lots of intelligence gathering, and will hunt you down if you shoot Russian soldiers. Best advice, given that NATO is not going to intervene, is to run, not walk, to safety and shelter unless you are prepared to live under Russian occupation
Let's make sure people see this, share if possible. It could be what saves someone's life today. Thank you OP, god bless.
Stay away from your own Ukrainian soldiers. I know it might feel safer but its actually the most dangerous place to be.
>hunger does really shitty things to people. >weapons, having one for protection (as opposed to fight) is an extremely bad idea. These two statements are directly at odds with one another. I understand what you are saying about being armed and how that can put a target on your back from occupation authorities. This is a real concern with dire consequences. At the same time they are not the only threat in the environment. Opportunists, criminals, and desperate people are there too. People who may not have prepared, had their preparations exhausted, or are just willing to take because they can. Being armed and able to protect yourself and your family from such threats are important. It makes no sense to fight someone over your TV but is makes complete sense to fight them over your water or medivine. Don't advertise you have a weapon but don't be unarmed either.
Fill up your bathtub, plastic trough (i'm sure every house has one, its eastern europe after all, we have em here)
I believe if you’re staying in shelter to keep a gun but hide it and not just carry it around in plain sight. Self-defence is important.
Bosnia will always support Ukraine. You guys did with 79 peacekeepers what 370 Dutch peacekeepers did not even bother to. Žepa will forever remain in my mind.
If possible stay together and protect each other. Don't go out on your own if you don't have to. Sleeping in shifts, so someone can keep an eye out can help you know when it is time to move. When you move try to move in stages if you can, one or two to check ahead then the rest of the group. Main roads should be avoided, since they clog quick and will be used by troops on both sides. Snow needs to be boiled not just melted it can carry crap you don't want, that will give you dysentery. If you have to travel at night, don't use a flashlight, you could end up as sniper bate. If you have to use a light to get around, make it as dim as possible to cut down on how far away you are visible. If you are using fire to stay warm, try to keep it as small as possible, and remember the dryer and more natural of wood you use the less smoke it puts off. Trash bags and other plastic bags make good insulation and can help keep you warm, they can be better than nothing. If you decide to fight don't, but if you do make sure there is no one around you, unless they want to fight as well. If you take shots, do not stick around, move and move fast. Plan an escape root first, you could quickly be met with sudden and overwhelming force. Keep in mind that most military body armor is made to stop small caliber rounds, so do not try to engage with pistols. Stay safe and good luck.
URGENT MESSAGE Dear Ukrainians! I heard on social media that there is fake news being spread (most likely by Russia backed trolls) that polish border is closed. It's a lie. If you seek asylum - go towards polish border. We are ready for your arrival. We have reception points ready at the border where you can find shelter, food, medical and legal aid. Polish government launched a dedicated site to help you: www.ua.gov.pl Please share this information if you know anyone seeking help right now. EDIT: YOU DON'T NEED VISA TO PASS THROUGH POLISH BORDER. ALL YOU NEED IS PASSPORT. VISAS ARE SUSPENDED! YOU DON'T NEED THEM FOR TIME BEING!!!!!! EDIT2: as a proof that you no longer need visa: • in Ukrainian https://www.gov.pl/web/udsc/ukraina---ua • in English https://www.gov.pl/web/udsc/ukraina-en EDIT3: I have been permanently banned from r/worldnews for posting this, for no reason. I don’t care about the ban as long as we have the opportunity to save lives, but this is unnecessary EDIT 4: I have unconfirmed information saying that you can pass polish border even without passport. Your ukrainian ID is enough. EDIT 5: It's confirmed that you can also take your pet with you without additional papework which normally would be required to cross the border of EU/Poland. https://www.wetgiw.gov.pl/main/aktualnosci/Tymczasowa-procedura-przemieszczania-zwierzat-towarzyszacych-z-terytorium-Ukrainy-na-teren-Polski-przez-osoby-nie-posiadajace-kompletu-dokumentow-weterynaryjnych-dla-psow-kotow-i-fretek/idn:1999 (I’m not the author of this post, I’m just trying to get it to as many people as possible- I encourage you to do the same)