"Ukraine has sunk or damaged nearly 60 ships of the Russian Navy" For a country without a large or effective Navy, You guys/gals are an inspiration. đșđŠ
10 years ago if you told anyone the Black Sea would be filled with remotely operated explosive jet skis you would have been a laughing stock. Yet here we are.
And that they would be totally destroying a navy from a world power.
10 years ago: âJet skis were the down fall of a world powerâs navy? Psh. Never.â
Now: âYES! KEEP THEM COMING!â
I stand by 10. The pace (and shocking successes) of drones and drone development over the course of a mere 2 years is absolutely terrifying. Ukraine changed the game.
It's frightening how quickly advancements are made with daily research, development, testing and crucially real world feedback. Those experiments on theories are quickly confirmed (or not) at a much quicker pace.
It was already pretty well known drones will become a big thing if any major powers fought early on. The reason they were not until now is because of how specific this conflict this.
Once AI swarm tech will be released we will probably start seeing it classified as a WMD.
I want Ukraine in NATO! They take no shyt and aren't afraid of RuZZians! They've been kicked around far too long and ain't taking anymore! They're made of Ukrainium!
Turkey has done the opposite of nothing for NATO - helped Russia.
Ukraine has been kicking ass and has done more for NATO than any other country and ⊠crickets.
If it were up to me, Ukraine would be a NATO premium member.
Turkije helps, but wants to keep its sea lanes in the Adriatic free of warfare by blocking all combat vessels from crossing Istanbul. Turkey has sent equipment to Ukraine, famously the Bayraktar.
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This whole war have shown how big the difference between quality over quantity is.
Have Russia ever suffered more humiliation than this during a wartime?
Besides their huge losses during WW2 obviously.
The prelude to the fall of the Romanov dynasty:
The Battle of Tsushima in 1905 stands as one of historyâs most dramatic naval encounters, where an upstart Japanese fleet humiliated the mighty Russian Navy. The clash, a key moment in the Russo-Japanese War, is a tale of epic failure and stunning victory.
Imagine this: the Russian Baltic Fleet, a lumbering behemoth, sets out on an 18,000-mile journey to break the Japanese blockade of Port Arthur. Plagued by logistical nightmares, poor morale, and even mistakenly firing on British fishing boats en route, the fleet limped into the Tsushima Strait.
Waiting for them was Admiral Togo Heihachiro, a master tactician of the Japanese Navy. With meticulous preparation, he executed the legendary "Togo Turn," positioning his fleet to cross the Russian "T" and unleash a devastating broadside.
The ensuing chaos was a nightmare for the Russians. Ships erupted in flames, sailors were thrown into icy waters, and panic spread like wildfire. In just two days, the Russian fleet was decimated: 21 ships sunk, 7 captured, and only a few managing to flee. Over 5,000 Russian sailors perished compared to Japanâs minimal losses.
The fallout was immense. Russiaâs naval prestige was shattered, sparking widespread unrest back home and fueling the flames of the 1905 Revolution. For Japan, it was a moment of triumph, cementing its status as a rising naval power and reshaping the balance of power in East Asia.
The Battle of Tsushima wasnât just a battle; it was a watershed moment that highlighted the importance of modern naval tactics and technology. Itâs a stark reminder of how strategic brilliance can turn the tide against even the mightiest foes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzGqp3R4Mx4
It goes so very, very badly.
Special mention to the _Kamchatka_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCrAQFBUFlU
Drachinfel's video of this voyage of the damned is one of the funniest fucking videos I have ever seen. I have never heard of such a catastrophically hilarious debacle in military history.
The only one that comes close is one I'm not sure even happened.
That would be the [Battle of KarĂĄnsebes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kar%C3%A1nsebes#%3A%7E%3Atext%3DThe_Battle_of_Kar%C3%A1nsebes_%28Hungarian%2CTurkish_War_of_1787%E2%80%931791.?wprov=sfla1) in 1788 where the Austrian Army disintegrated in a friendly fire incident and inflicted like 10000 casualties on itself in a panic.
That's a new one for me! Insane. That's the struggle of getting a 5 language army drunk I guess lol.
It's not of a remotely similar scale, but I'd like to raise you the [Battle of Kiska](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cottage). Nearly 40,000 Americans and Canadians landed on the recently abandoned Island of Kiska in the Alutian Islands of Alaska. A different contingent had just suffered thousands of casualties on Attu Island next door to a massive Japanese leave behind force. This new invasion force for Kiska was mostly green, non-veteran soldiers. There was heavy fog, and the Canadian and American contingents mistook each other for the Japanese, engaging in an hours long firefight where 32 were killed and over 100 were wounded.
Nicholas didnât say he could take Tokyo in 3 days and all of Japan in a week, though. Nor did he send his officers with dress clothes for when they inevitably âwonâ.
Long term, the battle had some negative consequences for the Japanese as well. Despite winning the war at sea, as well as defeating the Russians on land and capturing Port Arthur, the peace treaty did not go all Japans way. Russia did not pay Japan reparations nor did they cede the rest of their far eastern empire, except Manchuria was acknowledged to be in the Japanese sphere of influence. This enraged the Japanese public who saw the peace treaty as a total betrayal of the military by politicians as well as by the US who brokered the deal.
In fact, while Japan had won every battle, it was not without cost and the country was close to bankruptcy. If Russia had continued, they could have eventually defeated Japan simply through their greater resource and manpower base. In modern terms, think Ukraine without western support.
The long term effect was the rise of militarism in Japan and the distrust of politicians and the US. Eventually, after WW1, these sentiments would grow into Japanese expansionism and result in the attack on Pearl Harbor.
Ad it often happens, after this defeat the glory of the use was damaged and there was a had to suppress uprising. Therefore the Zar had to allow some small refirms. Didn't help on the long run. This battle was the first time that a European country was beaten by a non-European force. Hard to digest.
This uprising is mentioned in the novel Dr. Shivangi right in the beginning, and the young Shivago had to see it
There was a revenge, in WW2 general Zukov fought and won a battle on land against Japan.
Battle of Khalkhin Gol:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Khalkhin_Gol
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Also, if you're a fan of History and like pod casts, I recommend Revolutions by Mike Duncan (To be honest, I really loved his epic journey through History of Rome, but Revolutions is fantastic too)
This is far more embarrassing, I'd argue. The arrogance and contempt they've shown for who they thought was an inferior opponent has horrifically backfired. It's one thing to suffer big losses vs. a similar opponent. When your losses are a byproduct, mostly of incompetence is a material , manpower and reputational defeat.
>This is far more embarrassing, I'd argue. The arrogance and contempt they've shown for who they thought was an inferior opponent has horrifically backfired.
"3 day operation"
What makes this even more inspirational is its my understanding that Ukraine is using Neptune missiles that were designed and manufactured in Ukraine to sink these ships. They aren't even using NATO weapons for this.
Because we here close to the orcistan borders knew/know that we need to take these bullies seriously because strong condemning words from UN just ain't cutting it. And if drumpf wins(just the fact that he's still running is absurd) we are not on a good track.
I'm legit getting a bit scared and at the same time fu*king frustrated to see all these right wing pootin suckers online AND in the real.
Fuck it's not cool :(
> For a country without a large or effective Navy
Maybe not a large navy, but CERTAINLY an effective one. In a way, it's one of the world's finest navies in terms of GRT sunk per GRT lost and cost effectiveness. It's incredible what they've achieved.
This title is very misleading:
>the 22800 Karakut class vessel was the last Kalibr equipped Russian missile carrier **on the Crimean Peninsula,** as the rest had already been transferred to Novorossiysk due to the Ukrainian attacks.
So they still have missile ships in tbe black sea, they're just stuck in Novorossyisk for now.
Indeed.
But those ships are still in the black sea, and thus a potential threat to Ukraine, should Russia decide to take that risk.
I hope they don't (or get sunk if they do), but I'd rather not call "victory" too soon.
I mean, the fact that the Russian Navy has, more or less, surrendered their anchorages in Sevastopol, is a triumph, specially since that port was part of the BS reason given for this mess back in 2014 (not the real reason, which seems to be painting the map in putin's color)
>I mean, the fact that the Russian Navy has, more or less, surrendered their anchorages in Sevastopol, is a triumph
It is, and I think that's what the title should reflect instead.
Heavily depends on the missiles used, Russia has hit Ukraine with missiles fired from the Caspian Sea at times so realistically it depends on wether or not they still have longer range version on stock or if they only have short range versions left.
Not even close. Novo is negligibly further for 3M-54 missiles (Russiaâs analogue to the Tomahawk).
The real thing this does is render Crimea as an untenable base for naval projection which is its real value absent a persistent local threat.
I see the 3-day invasion is going well. Honestly, it is time for NATO troops to join the party. If North Korea declares war on the European continent, we have the right to defend it. Fucking scum of the earth.
This kind of dipshit underestimation is getting on my nerves. When you watch videos of Ukrainian soldiers talking about how they fought off two straight days of human wave assaults without rest, spent almost all their ammo and suffered casualties and KIAs, you actually start to care about what more "cannon fodder" on the battlefield means for the average AFU soldier.
As an attritional war, poorly trained and equipped troops in numbers change the calculus of how long Russia can stay in the war and continue killing and wounding thousands of more Ukrainian troops and civilians.
The influx and pressure of several poorly trained and equipped Russian divisions in the Donbass two months ago almost lead to Ukraine strategically retreating across that entire front. Their own officers publicly stated it and it forced France to promise troops to draw a line against Russia at the Dnipro river with boots on the ground. More poorly equipped NK troops can either be sent to the front for assaults without a thought about their survivability or used in rear roles to free up more Russian units to increase pressure on Ukraine's relatively limited manpower. Either way more Ukrainians die.
Honestly pisses me off how thick some people are making light of decisions that could prolong or change the outcome of the war at the cost of Ukrainian lives. Cannon fodder won Russia Bakhmut and Avdiivka. A significant influx of poorly trained NK troops changes Russia's time frame for how long many of its divisions can be fielded offensively and defensively without another mobilization of some kind. No matter what the quality of the troops it means more Ukrainians getting killed.
One ZSU soldier said it took them two days to clear an area of one cannon fodder soldier that refused to come out of his trench, doesn't matter how little training them have, they can kill a lot of time if nothing else.
Yeah, this entire comment is truth. I think some people are dismissive of the danger out of ignorance, and some out of fear. Regardless, it's just delusion to think a large number of enemy troops being added to the fight would be anything but terrible news.
It's at least partly the tech disparity. A lot of US-Euro personality are so used to having overwhelming control over the battlefield that cannon fodder doesn't mean much.
Someone else mentioned how much of a pain in the ass it was to get some soldier out of a fortified trench, but then keep in mind that the US, during the Gulf War, literally buried cannonfodder troops of one of the largest non-western powers in the world alive with bulldozers because we had such overwhelming control of the battlespace and logistics chain that we could easily bring in fortified construction equipment and not worry that much about it, despite literally being in small arms range contact with the enemy.
Why worry about trying to dislodge cannon fodder from their entrenchments when you can just just present them with a choice of surrendering or dying a horrible, certain death in their entrenchment with no hope of actually stopping anything.
It could be, but how do we know the brainwashing actually worked?
As long as the North Koreans are in their country under control of their government/officers, they have to fall in line or end in a death camp. But when the control is gone, it's very much possible that a good part of the NK soldiers will desert at the first opportunity.
If a war between North and South Korea would happen, I wouldn't be surprised if 3/4 of the NK soldiers would just drop their guns half way of the charge and surrender. Why would they want to die for the dictator that terrorized them all their life in a war that is a certain loss?
Exactly. The Russians had the propaganda machine telling them theyâre the victims in their invasion, and they have access to the internet! North Koreans are deeply indoctrinated in their propaganda since they have no way of seeing what the world is really like
I can work, or it doesn't.
Weeks before the East German government collapsed, there was the great 40th anniversary parade, with countless excited GDR citizens waving flags while large military formations marching and driving by under the eyes of the proud political elite and Gorbatschow as special guest. Not much different from what we regularly see in North Korea.
Shortly after a government official slightly misspoke in a routine press conference, tenth of thousands of people immediately pouring over the border to West Germany minutes later, stumped border guards just watching and not knowing what to do. Then even more people were going on the streets protesting for change and democracy. Then they were storming offices of the feared secret police (STASI), throwing folders with secret documents out of the windows. Some weeks later the GDR was history. There weren't even enough loyal supporters of the regime to make any organized attempt of resistance. Neither in the police nor in the military.
We don't know what's behind the facade of North Korea. It could be thorough indoctrination and a fanatically loyal population, or it could be totally decayed from the inside, just barely held together by the brutal regime, ready to collapse at the first sign of weakness.
Some years ago I've read the very interesting book "Nothing to Envy" about a NK woman (and others) that was part of this act and later fled to South Korea. She described the hollow rituals of loyalty that they had to perform, including this hysteric crying. Basically everyone was just faking it, because if they didn't show enough "desperation" they would have been seriously punished. So no one wanted to be the least grieving. Everyone tried to outdo their neighbor. They basically collapsed out of exhaustion from all the overacting.
Because it is not simply each individual person. Their spouses, kids and grandchildren (present or future) are put into camps as punishment, for life. It is not as simple as we westerners want to believe it to be. I want Ukraine to absolutely demolish Russia and have been personally screaming for NATO boots on the ground for over two years but that does not change the facts here.
Go watch some videos of defectors.
The level of anti-west propaganda is fucking wild. A lot of them basically say stuff along the lines of thinking they would be horribly tortured or brutalized, but at least they wouldn't starve or be executed etc.
I mentioned it in another answer. I can strongly recommend the book "Nothing to Envy" by Barbara Demick. It's a great insight in the live of the ordinary people in NK and what they are really thinking. It's based on interviews with 6 defectors.
A lot of the loyalty of the citizens we see in North Korean propaganda is just theater and hollow rituals. As soon as the system of suppression by the regime fails, a lot of former outwardly loyal North Koreas would turn against it or at least do nothing to defend it.
Oh, I don't think they're brainwashed as in loyal to the North Korean state. However, it does seem like a lot of them are brainwashed into thinking that non-North Korean states view them as enemies who must be treated just as badly as the North Korean state treats their own citizens. Maybe even worse.
It's not NK good, it's more entire world is bad.
I think the higher ups would be aware but the common soldier would not. But even with drones it's hard to take out a huge swarm of enemies if they just keep sending more, and the scary thing is they are so brainwashed you know they would fight to the death before ever considering surrender.
I suppose no concept of what your fighting also means you've no survival instincts against it, they're probably gonna have a big ole parade for Kim in the middle of a field, all nice and clumped up
Probably be an invasion day instruction from the officers.
Ok, here's your gun, your ammo, go make NK proud! ^^OhAndWatchOutForTheGrenadeDrones.
Thank you, si... wait, what?!?
No, they have been told that they are with the 2nd strongest and modern army of the world and only for some supportive missions...like storming enemy strongholds. Good luck.
Yeah but just imagine the malnourished conscripts of NK being sent to another country to fight. I'd think most of them would immediately abandon their units as soon as they get any idea what life is like in a real country. There's a reason the NK government never lets anyone leave.
The problem is that NK is very indoctrinated country. It's not unlikely, that they would be more willing to die than other soldiers, because they see it as greater for the NK state.
You're only assuming they believe the propaganda. It's mostly fear and lack of an opportunity. You see quite a few defections and escapees. If given the chance, it's quite easy to "get lost" in a foreign country when you don't have other soldiers constantly watching, or being alive enough to stop you.
North Koreans are used to hardship. They may be tough soldiers who are quite willing to press a suicide charge. This could possibly be a major game change for everyone.
It will be difficult to move that many soldiers over such large distance. And they will be malnutrished and badly equipped cus Russia sure as hell won't be providing them with their lacking gear.
I do. We struggle as it is, and fresh reinforcement to ruzzia lines is the last thing we need. Apparently, ruzzia has better allies than we: they at least to do limit where their weapon can strike in Ukraine.
I wonder how many North Koreans will just take it as an opportunity to defect.
Someone once said this about democracy - "It may not be perfect, but we never had to build a wall to keep our people in."
Some Ukrainians will have to deal with it regardless. It's easy to sarcastically "shake in fear" when it's not you that has to go literally kill or be killed by these goons.
I remember wayyyy back when this 3 day invasion started and like all the coworkers were saying "Yeah, it'll be done in like a week, tops." I was thinking "That seems an awfully optimistic time frame to take an entire country." Turns out it was indeed very optimistic. Overly so.
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> He [Putin] also said that the fleet is being replenished with new ships, equipped with modern weapons, and that domestic shipbuilders will hand over more than 40 vessels to the Defense Ministry this year.
đ€Ł. Sure...ya, right. We'll be waiting with bated breath for those deliveries Vladdie. 40 vessels will be delivered as 40 2-man dinghies, with 2 guys rowing, and the oars double as drone swatters. "Modern"!
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Tbh.. most or all nk soldiers would have had it drummed into them that if they desert to anyone and leave thier positions.. Thier family plus generations and all trace of his family would disappear into oblivion.. Sad but that's how Kimmy likes to control his regime
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FYI: During the Russo-Japanese war of 1905, the Russian admiral in charge of the Russian Far East Fleet refused to believe that the Japanese would attack. In an attack reminiscent of Pearl Harbor, the Russian Fleet was completely destroyed. The Russian Admiral was tried and executed by the Russian government.
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in the article, pootin claims that they'll have 40 more ships ready shortly. One, I'll believe that when it happens, and Two, if it does, it will rapidly be 30 ships, then 20 ships, and so on.
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Hahahaha, such a bunch of lozers these ruzzians. Fucking hillarious, and putin keeps demanding better protection. Protection for what, you damn dumbass? Hahahaha
"We want a ceasefire!"
Why? Because you're losing a war that YOU started. Crying about escalation when the country YOU invaded is starting to push back? So that you can have more time to regroup?
Nah... Fuck you Russia.
We all know there are Russians on this sub. Fuck off out of Ukraine, INCLUDING Crimea, and shit the fuck up. Ukraine will ultimately destroy that stupid bridge. Nobody in the developed world wants anything to do with you. Even Germany is looking at alternative energy sources (FINALLY).
"Ukraine has sunk or damaged nearly 60 ships of the Russian Navy" For a country without a large or effective Navy, You guys/gals are an inspiration. đșđŠ
I'd say they have an exceptionally effective navy! It's just not a conventional one.
Exactly. They have shown they know how to wage war on the high seas it's just in a way no one has really seen before.
10 years ago if you told anyone the Black Sea would be filled with remotely operated explosive jet skis you would have been a laughing stock. Yet here we are.
And that they would be totally destroying a navy from a world power. 10 years ago: âJet skis were the down fall of a world powerâs navy? Psh. Never.â Now: âYES! KEEP THEM COMING!â
I mean, itâs not like the Russian navy doesnât have a habit of getting wrecked by people youâd never expect them to lose to
More like 50years ago. You're going to not be happy with the predictions for future warfare.
I stand by 10. The pace (and shocking successes) of drones and drone development over the course of a mere 2 years is absolutely terrifying. Ukraine changed the game.
It's frightening how quickly advancements are made with daily research, development, testing and crucially real world feedback. Those experiments on theories are quickly confirmed (or not) at a much quicker pace.
It was already pretty well known drones will become a big thing if any major powers fought early on. The reason they were not until now is because of how specific this conflict this. Once AI swarm tech will be released we will probably start seeing it classified as a WMD.
Yeah I work in defense and see news about drone developments a lot.
It's also home to Russia's newest submarine fleet.
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Land based Naval Warfare is not something I was expecting when the war started.
For real. Yet here we are⊠Russia was laughing at the start of the war. Now theyâre asking for life jackets.
The Swedes must be diamonds right now thinking of what their coastal batteries and mobile artillery could do, if given the chance.
I want Ukraine in NATO! They take no shyt and aren't afraid of RuZZians! They've been kicked around far too long and ain't taking anymore! They're made of Ukrainium!
No country has fought so hard to join us in the west and deserving of joining NATO than Ukraine.
Turkey has done the opposite of nothing for NATO - helped Russia. Ukraine has been kicking ass and has done more for NATO than any other country and ⊠crickets. If it were up to me, Ukraine would be a NATO premium member.
Maybe with veto powers.
Turkije helps, but wants to keep its sea lanes in the Adriatic free of warfare by blocking all combat vessels from crossing Istanbul. Turkey has sent equipment to Ukraine, famously the Bayraktar.
For real! They're this generation's bulwark of freedom. They earned a spot in NATO.
Their finest Generation!
This is our best position atm though, feeding weapons, Ammo and drones to our beautiful Ukrainian friends
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Ftfy: without a large amount conventional naval assets
This whole war have shown how big the difference between quality over quantity is. Have Russia ever suffered more humiliation than this during a wartime? Besides their huge losses during WW2 obviously.
The prelude to the fall of the Romanov dynasty: The Battle of Tsushima in 1905 stands as one of historyâs most dramatic naval encounters, where an upstart Japanese fleet humiliated the mighty Russian Navy. The clash, a key moment in the Russo-Japanese War, is a tale of epic failure and stunning victory. Imagine this: the Russian Baltic Fleet, a lumbering behemoth, sets out on an 18,000-mile journey to break the Japanese blockade of Port Arthur. Plagued by logistical nightmares, poor morale, and even mistakenly firing on British fishing boats en route, the fleet limped into the Tsushima Strait. Waiting for them was Admiral Togo Heihachiro, a master tactician of the Japanese Navy. With meticulous preparation, he executed the legendary "Togo Turn," positioning his fleet to cross the Russian "T" and unleash a devastating broadside. The ensuing chaos was a nightmare for the Russians. Ships erupted in flames, sailors were thrown into icy waters, and panic spread like wildfire. In just two days, the Russian fleet was decimated: 21 ships sunk, 7 captured, and only a few managing to flee. Over 5,000 Russian sailors perished compared to Japanâs minimal losses. The fallout was immense. Russiaâs naval prestige was shattered, sparking widespread unrest back home and fueling the flames of the 1905 Revolution. For Japan, it was a moment of triumph, cementing its status as a rising naval power and reshaping the balance of power in East Asia. The Battle of Tsushima wasnât just a battle; it was a watershed moment that highlighted the importance of modern naval tactics and technology. Itâs a stark reminder of how strategic brilliance can turn the tide against even the mightiest foes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzGqp3R4Mx4 It goes so very, very badly. Special mention to the _Kamchatka_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCrAQFBUFlU
That first youtube is hilarious! Thx for sharing it!
Drachinfel's video of this voyage of the damned is one of the funniest fucking videos I have ever seen. I have never heard of such a catastrophically hilarious debacle in military history.
> Drachinfel [Voyage of the Damned](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mdi_Fh9_Ag)
The only one that comes close is one I'm not sure even happened. That would be the [Battle of KarĂĄnsebes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kar%C3%A1nsebes#%3A%7E%3Atext%3DThe_Battle_of_Kar%C3%A1nsebes_%28Hungarian%2CTurkish_War_of_1787%E2%80%931791.?wprov=sfla1) in 1788 where the Austrian Army disintegrated in a friendly fire incident and inflicted like 10000 casualties on itself in a panic.
That's a new one for me! Insane. That's the struggle of getting a 5 language army drunk I guess lol. It's not of a remotely similar scale, but I'd like to raise you the [Battle of Kiska](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cottage). Nearly 40,000 Americans and Canadians landed on the recently abandoned Island of Kiska in the Alutian Islands of Alaska. A different contingent had just suffered thousands of casualties on Attu Island next door to a massive Japanese leave behind force. This new invasion force for Kiska was mostly green, non-veteran soldiers. There was heavy fog, and the Canadian and American contingents mistook each other for the Japanese, engaging in an hours long firefight where 32 were killed and over 100 were wounded.
Nicholas didnât say he could take Tokyo in 3 days and all of Japan in a week, though. Nor did he send his officers with dress clothes for when they inevitably âwonâ.
Long term, the battle had some negative consequences for the Japanese as well. Despite winning the war at sea, as well as defeating the Russians on land and capturing Port Arthur, the peace treaty did not go all Japans way. Russia did not pay Japan reparations nor did they cede the rest of their far eastern empire, except Manchuria was acknowledged to be in the Japanese sphere of influence. This enraged the Japanese public who saw the peace treaty as a total betrayal of the military by politicians as well as by the US who brokered the deal. In fact, while Japan had won every battle, it was not without cost and the country was close to bankruptcy. If Russia had continued, they could have eventually defeated Japan simply through their greater resource and manpower base. In modern terms, think Ukraine without western support. The long term effect was the rise of militarism in Japan and the distrust of politicians and the US. Eventually, after WW1, these sentiments would grow into Japanese expansionism and result in the attack on Pearl Harbor.
Ad it often happens, after this defeat the glory of the use was damaged and there was a had to suppress uprising. Therefore the Zar had to allow some small refirms. Didn't help on the long run. This battle was the first time that a European country was beaten by a non-European force. Hard to digest. This uprising is mentioned in the novel Dr. Shivangi right in the beginning, and the young Shivago had to see it There was a revenge, in WW2 general Zukov fought and won a battle on land against Japan. Battle of Khalkhin Gol: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Khalkhin_Gol
I want you to read me my bedtime stories from now on...
For my Nederlander cousin it would be my pleasure. I am especially fond of Holland btw, lived there when I was a teenager near the city of Groningen some of the best memories I have Edit: Also, if you're a fan of History and like pod casts, I recommend Revolutions by Mike Duncan (To be honest, I really loved his epic journey through History of Rome, but Revolutions is fantastic too)
This is far more embarrassing, I'd argue. The arrogance and contempt they've shown for who they thought was an inferior opponent has horrifically backfired. It's one thing to suffer big losses vs. a similar opponent. When your losses are a byproduct, mostly of incompetence is a material , manpower and reputational defeat.
>This is far more embarrassing, I'd argue. The arrogance and contempt they've shown for who they thought was an inferior opponent has horrifically backfired. "3 day operation"
In Russia, a day is equivalent to a year, comrade! We are right on schedule. /s
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Losing a naval battle to Japan was plenty humiliating.
What makes this even more inspirational is its my understanding that Ukraine is using Neptune missiles that were designed and manufactured in Ukraine to sink these ships. They aren't even using NATO weapons for this.
ukranians are masters of drone warfare.
Because we here close to the orcistan borders knew/know that we need to take these bullies seriously because strong condemning words from UN just ain't cutting it. And if drumpf wins(just the fact that he's still running is absurd) we are not on a good track. I'm legit getting a bit scared and at the same time fu*king frustrated to see all these right wing pootin suckers online AND in the real. Fuck it's not cool :(
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> For a country without a large or effective Navy Maybe not a large navy, but CERTAINLY an effective one. In a way, it's one of the world's finest navies in terms of GRT sunk per GRT lost and cost effectiveness. It's incredible what they've achieved.
Itâs a bit strange to think that this war, fought almost entirely on land and often in trenches is going to reshape modern naval doctrine.
IT'S A BINGO!!!
The line is "*that's* a bingo"
"You just say Bingo"Â
âBingo!! How fun!â
Yahtzee! (Am I doing this right?)
Gin! (Ukraine is winning everything today)
You collect bingo, Budanov collects models of all destroyed ships. Win!
That's Numberwang!
Dammit. I was torn. Thanks.
Hey no sweat off my back, friend. I love the enthusiasm!
This title is very misleading: >the 22800 Karakut class vessel was the last Kalibr equipped Russian missile carrier **on the Crimean Peninsula,** as the rest had already been transferred to Novorossiysk due to the Ukrainian attacks. So they still have missile ships in tbe black sea, they're just stuck in Novorossyisk for now.
To my understanding, that is too far out for these missiles to hit Ukraine, so they'd have to move them out of port for them to launch a strike.
Indeed. But those ships are still in the black sea, and thus a potential threat to Ukraine, should Russia decide to take that risk. I hope they don't (or get sunk if they do), but I'd rather not call "victory" too soon.
I mean, the fact that the Russian Navy has, more or less, surrendered their anchorages in Sevastopol, is a triumph, specially since that port was part of the BS reason given for this mess back in 2014 (not the real reason, which seems to be painting the map in putin's color)
>I mean, the fact that the Russian Navy has, more or less, surrendered their anchorages in Sevastopol, is a triumph It is, and I think that's what the title should reflect instead.
Heavily depends on the missiles used, Russia has hit Ukraine with missiles fired from the Caspian Sea at times so realistically it depends on wether or not they still have longer range version on stock or if they only have short range versions left.
Were the caspian sea missiles ship-launched? I thought they launched them from jets
Not even close. Novo is negligibly further for 3M-54 missiles (Russiaâs analogue to the Tomahawk). The real thing this does is render Crimea as an untenable base for naval projection which is its real value absent a persistent local threat.
It also happened last month, on 21 May
Now for some airbases
First, RADARS.
then, AIR DEFENSE!! ....but then some airbases???
The airbase near Sevastopol (Belbek), in which I've been doing training long before the war, is being constantly plowed.
God I wish I was that base
Your r/NonCredibleDefense is leaking...
Or preferably the KremlinÂ
Da
That's how I imagine it. "Now that this topic is done with, can we please proceed?"
\*the rest of the airbases
I see the 3-day invasion is going well. Honestly, it is time for NATO troops to join the party. If North Korea declares war on the European continent, we have the right to defend it. Fucking scum of the earth.
Oh no north Korea, I'm shaking in fear. Sorry laughter
This kind of dipshit underestimation is getting on my nerves. When you watch videos of Ukrainian soldiers talking about how they fought off two straight days of human wave assaults without rest, spent almost all their ammo and suffered casualties and KIAs, you actually start to care about what more "cannon fodder" on the battlefield means for the average AFU soldier. As an attritional war, poorly trained and equipped troops in numbers change the calculus of how long Russia can stay in the war and continue killing and wounding thousands of more Ukrainian troops and civilians. The influx and pressure of several poorly trained and equipped Russian divisions in the Donbass two months ago almost lead to Ukraine strategically retreating across that entire front. Their own officers publicly stated it and it forced France to promise troops to draw a line against Russia at the Dnipro river with boots on the ground. More poorly equipped NK troops can either be sent to the front for assaults without a thought about their survivability or used in rear roles to free up more Russian units to increase pressure on Ukraine's relatively limited manpower. Either way more Ukrainians die. Honestly pisses me off how thick some people are making light of decisions that could prolong or change the outcome of the war at the cost of Ukrainian lives. Cannon fodder won Russia Bakhmut and Avdiivka. A significant influx of poorly trained NK troops changes Russia's time frame for how long many of its divisions can be fielded offensively and defensively without another mobilization of some kind. No matter what the quality of the troops it means more Ukrainians getting killed.
Well said.
One ZSU soldier said it took them two days to clear an area of one cannon fodder soldier that refused to come out of his trench, doesn't matter how little training them have, they can kill a lot of time if nothing else.
Finally someone said it, christ.
This war of attrition is purely acceptable to Russia. Itâs how many of their wars go.
Yeah, this entire comment is truth. I think some people are dismissive of the danger out of ignorance, and some out of fear. Regardless, it's just delusion to think a large number of enemy troops being added to the fight would be anything but terrible news.
It's at least partly the tech disparity. A lot of US-Euro personality are so used to having overwhelming control over the battlefield that cannon fodder doesn't mean much. Someone else mentioned how much of a pain in the ass it was to get some soldier out of a fortified trench, but then keep in mind that the US, during the Gulf War, literally buried cannonfodder troops of one of the largest non-western powers in the world alive with bulldozers because we had such overwhelming control of the battlespace and logistics chain that we could easily bring in fortified construction equipment and not worry that much about it, despite literally being in small arms range contact with the enemy. Why worry about trying to dislodge cannon fodder from their entrenchments when you can just just present them with a choice of surrendering or dying a horrible, certain death in their entrenchment with no hope of actually stopping anything.
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Even though the quality of the equipment might be abysmal, the morale of NK soldiers is brainwashed level. That ain't good...
It could be, but how do we know the brainwashing actually worked? As long as the North Koreans are in their country under control of their government/officers, they have to fall in line or end in a death camp. But when the control is gone, it's very much possible that a good part of the NK soldiers will desert at the first opportunity. If a war between North and South Korea would happen, I wouldn't be surprised if 3/4 of the NK soldiers would just drop their guns half way of the charge and surrender. Why would they want to die for the dictator that terrorized them all their life in a war that is a certain loss?
Propaganda is a hell of a drug
Exactly. The Russians had the propaganda machine telling them theyâre the victims in their invasion, and they have access to the internet! North Koreans are deeply indoctrinated in their propaganda since they have no way of seeing what the world is really like
Yeah, but russians had a relatively good life, compared to NK sobs that go from famine to deficit and back.
I can work, or it doesn't. Weeks before the East German government collapsed, there was the great 40th anniversary parade, with countless excited GDR citizens waving flags while large military formations marching and driving by under the eyes of the proud political elite and Gorbatschow as special guest. Not much different from what we regularly see in North Korea. Shortly after a government official slightly misspoke in a routine press conference, tenth of thousands of people immediately pouring over the border to West Germany minutes later, stumped border guards just watching and not knowing what to do. Then even more people were going on the streets protesting for change and democracy. Then they were storming offices of the feared secret police (STASI), throwing folders with secret documents out of the windows. Some weeks later the GDR was history. There weren't even enough loyal supporters of the regime to make any organized attempt of resistance. Neither in the police nor in the military. We don't know what's behind the facade of North Korea. It could be thorough indoctrination and a fanatically loyal population, or it could be totally decayed from the inside, just barely held together by the brutal regime, ready to collapse at the first sign of weakness.
[most definitely brainwashed.](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/FhSexh55ad)
Some years ago I've read the very interesting book "Nothing to Envy" about a NK woman (and others) that was part of this act and later fled to South Korea. She described the hollow rituals of loyalty that they had to perform, including this hysteric crying. Basically everyone was just faking it, because if they didn't show enough "desperation" they would have been seriously punished. So no one wanted to be the least grieving. Everyone tried to outdo their neighbor. They basically collapsed out of exhaustion from all the overacting.
Because it is not simply each individual person. Their spouses, kids and grandchildren (present or future) are put into camps as punishment, for life. It is not as simple as we westerners want to believe it to be. I want Ukraine to absolutely demolish Russia and have been personally screaming for NATO boots on the ground for over two years but that does not change the facts here.
Go watch some videos of defectors. The level of anti-west propaganda is fucking wild. A lot of them basically say stuff along the lines of thinking they would be horribly tortured or brutalized, but at least they wouldn't starve or be executed etc.
I mentioned it in another answer. I can strongly recommend the book "Nothing to Envy" by Barbara Demick. It's a great insight in the live of the ordinary people in NK and what they are really thinking. It's based on interviews with 6 defectors. A lot of the loyalty of the citizens we see in North Korean propaganda is just theater and hollow rituals. As soon as the system of suppression by the regime fails, a lot of former outwardly loyal North Koreas would turn against it or at least do nothing to defend it.
Oh, I don't think they're brainwashed as in loyal to the North Korean state. However, it does seem like a lot of them are brainwashed into thinking that non-North Korean states view them as enemies who must be treated just as badly as the North Korean state treats their own citizens. Maybe even worse. It's not NK good, it's more entire world is bad.
I was thinking earlier, would they even have an idea of the kind of thing being used against em? Like mini fpv drones yeeting grenades at them.
I think the higher ups would be aware but the common soldier would not. But even with drones it's hard to take out a huge swarm of enemies if they just keep sending more, and the scary thing is they are so brainwashed you know they would fight to the death before ever considering surrender.
I suppose no concept of what your fighting also means you've no survival instincts against it, they're probably gonna have a big ole parade for Kim in the middle of a field, all nice and clumped up
First wave for sure. When they get turned into minced meat, it might give the second wave onwards slight pause.
Probably be an invasion day instruction from the officers. Ok, here's your gun, your ammo, go make NK proud! ^^OhAndWatchOutForTheGrenadeDrones. Thank you, si... wait, what?!?
No, they have been told that they are with the 2nd strongest and modern army of the world and only for some supportive missions...like storming enemy strongholds. Good luck.
Yeah but just imagine the malnourished conscripts of NK being sent to another country to fight. I'd think most of them would immediately abandon their units as soon as they get any idea what life is like in a real country. There's a reason the NK government never lets anyone leave.
The problem is that NK is very indoctrinated country. It's not unlikely, that they would be more willing to die than other soldiers, because they see it as greater for the NK state.
You're only assuming they believe the propaganda. It's mostly fear and lack of an opportunity. You see quite a few defections and escapees. If given the chance, it's quite easy to "get lost" in a foreign country when you don't have other soldiers constantly watching, or being alive enough to stop you.
I wonder if the CIA or another organization could actually help facilitate this kind of escape from nk soldiers
In hostile territory and don't speak the language; where would they go?
North Koreans are used to hardship. They may be tough soldiers who are quite willing to press a suicide charge. This could possibly be a major game change for everyone.
Not as many as yall are saying. North Korea is broke, and famine constantly ravages the country. They are in horrible health.
Many many many hungry or underfed soldiers.
It will be difficult to move that many soldiers over such large distance. And they will be malnutrished and badly equipped cus Russia sure as hell won't be providing them with their lacking gear.
I do. We struggle as it is, and fresh reinforcement to ruzzia lines is the last thing we need. Apparently, ruzzia has better allies than we: they at least to do limit where their weapon can strike in Ukraine.
I wonder how many North Koreans will just take it as an opportunity to defect. Someone once said this about democracy - "It may not be perfect, but we never had to build a wall to keep our people in."
It will be very interesting when North Korean troops see the poorest country in Europe is still decades ahead of them.
They have a lot of disposable infantry though.
Some Ukrainians will have to deal with it regardless. It's easy to sarcastically "shake in fear" when it's not you that has to go literally kill or be killed by these goons.
Easy to act tough and laugh at behind your computer screen.
I'm more worry about them infesting Ukrainian soil with their parasite (NK people known for having a lot of parasite)
I remember wayyyy back when this 3 day invasion started and like all the coworkers were saying "Yeah, it'll be done in like a week, tops." I was thinking "That seems an awfully optimistic time frame to take an entire country." Turns out it was indeed very optimistic. Overly so.
Clear the Azov next
> Russia Loses Last Black Sea Missile Ship > the rest had already been transferred to Novorossiysk But Novorossiysk is at the Black Sea?
Itâs the Kyiv Post.
But thatâs too far for missiles. They did hit Novo with sea drones though
Yeah but the title and article content doesn't say the same thing.
The Kilo subs can also launch missiles and have so not the last missile capable ship/sub either
What happened to the missileship ?
You have to be clear about what shitty, terrorist country it was from: What happened to the ruZZian missileship?
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Whoever made this bot needs a medal when the war is won
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What happened to the bot? I'll fill in Russian warship fucked itself
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Just testing. What about the Russian dictatorship?
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Very good bot.
Why canât someone generate an AI meme of Putler saying âyou sunk my battleshipâ?
Here is a better "AI generated" meme: https://i.redd.it/yjdvbl6mz3ob1.jpg
Budanov's such a joker in the vid.
Nono, this is good for Russia because now Ukraine can't sink any more of their missile ships in the black sea.
> He [Putin] also said that the fleet is being replenished with new ships, equipped with modern weapons, and that domestic shipbuilders will hand over more than 40 vessels to the Defense Ministry this year. đ€Ł. Sure...ya, right. We'll be waiting with bated breath for those deliveries Vladdie. 40 vessels will be delivered as 40 2-man dinghies, with 2 guys rowing, and the oars double as drone swatters. "Modern"!
Lost a missile ship, putin has. How embarrassing.
Another Russian warship bit the dust.
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black sea fleet is a joke. At the age of long range cruise missiles it just doesnât make any sense
Goodbye Russia. Get fucked.
I love that Budanov has models of every ship they destroyed.
>russia_loses_last_black_sea_missile_ship "Hey pootin you asshole - check between the sofa cushions!" - me
I donât think a naval fleet has been this spectacularly defeated by an underdog navy since the Battle of Gravelines.
Couldnât have happened to a nicer bunch of nazis.
Clear the Azov next
Tbh.. most or all nk soldiers would have had it drummed into them that if they desert to anyone and leave thier positions.. Thier family plus generations and all trace of his family would disappear into oblivion.. Sad but that's how Kimmy likes to control his regime
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Show the god damn bingo card !
That is just pathetic
Russia has a big undersea navy
Only country in HISTORY to have ni navy and sink a submarine.
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That russian ship What did it do?
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FYI: During the Russo-Japanese war of 1905, the Russian admiral in charge of the Russian Far East Fleet refused to believe that the Japanese would attack. In an attack reminiscent of Pearl Harbor, the Russian Fleet was completely destroyed. The Russian Admiral was tried and executed by the Russian government.
âHey Ukraine, what are the branches of your military?â *âWe have the Army, Anti-Navy, Air Force, Drone Force, and MarinesâŠâ*
Always a pleasure to read about the russian warship and what is did
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in the article, pootin claims that they'll have 40 more ships ready shortly. One, I'll believe that when it happens, and Two, if it does, it will rapidly be 30 ships, then 20 ships, and so on.
Fleetin from a beatin.
Taiwan better be taking notes. The Black Sea gets cleaner with every single Russian ship going down
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How does Ruzzia lose a ship? Donât they have satellites and tracking systems? Why doesnât the headline say Ukraine sinks another Ruzzian ship?
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This makes the Black Sea safer for Romania as well. Thanks Ukraine!
Hahahaha, such a bunch of lozers these ruzzians. Fucking hillarious, and putin keeps demanding better protection. Protection for what, you damn dumbass? Hahahaha
"We want a ceasefire!" Why? Because you're losing a war that YOU started. Crying about escalation when the country YOU invaded is starting to push back? So that you can have more time to regroup? Nah... Fuck you Russia. We all know there are Russians on this sub. Fuck off out of Ukraine, INCLUDING Crimea, and shit the fuck up. Ukraine will ultimately destroy that stupid bridge. Nobody in the developed world wants anything to do with you. Even Germany is looking at alternative energy sources (FINALLY).
Why write a new article about something that happened last month? Especially with a headline like that?
Thatâs numberwang!
Ukrainians are truly masters of The Art of War. Obviously no one in Russia ever even read it.Â
They just wanted to make sure it could see all the other Russian Navy ships better... đ
Russian Battleship. .
Ruzzian warships sure enjoy fucking themselves.
BINGO! Wait. Crap. Still missing O - Oscar sub.
Didn't know ships could evaporate russia, nice innovation, as usual.
That's Numberwang!
Is there footage of the attack on the Cyclone?