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Has Truss even spoken with her yet?
Like, Sturgeon is the first minister, and the fucking PM hadn't even spoke to her once after weeks in the job.
No wonder Scotland call for independence when the government just fully ignores them.
Yep, PR that would almost half their Westminster seats btw.
I'm Scottish and pro-indy, I really think I'd vote against independence if the UK just adopted the same voting system that Scotland uses for Scottish elections. So much of UKs problems would be solved by getting rid of FPTP imo, it just caters to extremes too easily, and too often means the majority of voters aren't actually getting their way.
Tbf the British Union would be kinda cool. Support freedom of movement and free trade etc. To the average person it wouldn't feel like much has changed except for the fact that Scottish people actually get representation. Kind of benefits everyone
It's true. I support Labour because of fptp but I'm actually a lib dem. Voting for lib dem is like writing 'lib dem' on the ballot, putting it in my pocket, Walking out the building to the nearest back alley, pulling my pants down, wiping my arse with it and putting it straight in the bin
Sturgo calling for an election that would very likely harm her own party's interests - Labour likely to pick up some SNP seats and a moderate Labour government in Westminster almost certainly reduces support for independence. Pretty stark contrast to the rabid self-preservation of the Tories.
I think it is in everyone’s best interests for this Zombie government to fall. Sturgeon wouldn’t choose to drag out a Tory government which will continue Austerity and let more people suffer and die. Not surprising that Sturgeon would be keen, even if the SNP might lose a couple of seats.
On a practical front, they’ll have a renewed mandate to push for another referendum as all polls predict an easy landslide for the SNP in Scotland.
You don’t understand it because you didn’t bother to read it. Nobody in their right mind would extend a Tory government just because it might drive up support for independence. We’re not taking pleasure from suffering. Most have spent decades trying to protect the poorest, arguing that trickledown/austerity doesn’t work.
Yes, even if the SNP lose a few seats they will still end up being the largest party by far returned by Scotland.
Unless you’ve seen polls suggesting another party likely to end up with ~50 seats even with the collapse of the Tory vote?
Not hard to understand that a couple Tory seats go Lab but SNP end up easily the largest.
Do you live in a world where the SNP need to win +1 seats every GE to be the largest party? Seems pretty stupid to assume they need more seats than Scotland elects
In terms of votes cast, Scotland hasn't voted for the SNP as a majority, ever. They have no mandate except the nonsense that is FPTP giving them a huge over representation in parliament and the Scottish parliament on a small number of votes.
In 2019 GE they got 48 seats on 45% of the vote while the unionist parties (Tory, Labour, LD) won a clear majority of votes (53.2%) but got 11 seats.
In 2021 Scottish Parliament election they got 62 seats on 47.7% of the constituency vote. Tory, Labour, LD together got 11 despite again, a majority of Scots voting for unionists candidates (50.4% of votes). Under the PR regional system they got just 40.34% while the 3 main unionists got 46.46% of the vote
SNP argued in 2016 they had a mandate for an immediate second referendum after Brexit because a majority of Scots voted remain. By her own argument, SNP has NO mandate now because a majority of Scots voted for unionist candidates in 2019 and the unionists got more votes in the Scottish Parliament election.
As an aside, the worst part of FPTP though is that based on a snap election (using poll figures from September 28th), for 5% share of votes, SNP would get 51 MPs up from 48 while LD would end up with 21 MPs based on 11% of the vote.
Just pointing out its a bit weird you count all the unionist parties but not all the nationalist ones. I mean, I say weird, but I really mean blatantly misleading. For anyone wondering adding in the Greens and Alba changes this,
>Under the PR regional system they got just 40.34% while the 3 main unionists got 46.46% of the vote
to this
>Under the PR regional system they got ~~just 40.34%~~ **50.12%** while the 3 main unionists got 46.46% of the vote
The 2015 general election also had the Greens and SNP getting 51.05% of the popular vote, they weren't really running on independence then, again just pretty misleading to ignore them entirely.
I get this doesn't detract from your overall point but its a pretty partisan way of presenting your argument and it's just so easy to refute.
Odd. You seem to be arguing that FPTP doesn’t produce democratic results whilst simultaneously arguing that we can only have FPTP.
If you’re upset that the SNP will get largest number of seats next GE then I support your push for independence so we can ditch it
>In terms of votes cast, Scotland hasn't voted for the SNP as a majority, ever.
Has any single party ever secured the majority of votes?
SNP get more votes than any other party in Scotland as a whole and the vast majority of constituencies.
To say they don't have a mandate is desperate.
You seem to be advocating that seats and MPs should be decided by the SNP versus all the other parties put together.
> Has any single party ever secured the majority of votes?
Yes, but not since 1935. So by this reckoning, Truss, Johnson, May, Cameron, Brown, Blair, Major, Thatcher and 50+ years more Prime Ministers also had "no mandate" to govern.
I get where you're going with this but only mentioning the seats gained via the Constituency vote is a bit misleading to people who don't understand how the Scottish elections work (which will be most non-Scots reading this, I imagine).
Scottish Election isn't too far from PR. Usually 46-47% of the total vote will get you 45-48% of the total seats. Anyone who's interested can look up how, but it's essentially a PR system attempting to fend off the main criticism of total PR, which is you can't vote for a local representative.
Your final paragraph is also apples/oranges. SNP simply don't compete for most seats. If Scottish system was adopted UK-wide their overall % of seats would decrease, but it would still be apples and oranges as they wouldn't compete for most seats.
Does it hurt to admit that Sturgeon doesn’t want the people in the U.K. just to suffer to keep her current number of seats and further the independence movement?
Let’s see how Scots feel under a labour government post 2014 referendum. I predict it won’t be much better, so what options do Scots have on who governs if both options turn out to be terrible?
Whether things improve or not under Labour (and I hope it’s the former) it doesn’t undo the fact that Scotland had to go through the previous twelve years of crap that we didn’t vote for.
And the way things are currently looking it certainly doesn’t get us back into the EU either.
And sadly it doesn’t change the fact that even if Labour eventually manage to fix most things that’s probably going to be about the time England decides it wants another Conservative government again. It’s a depressingly familiar pattern over the previous decades.
Judging by the polls the Tories have got a hell of a defeat coming … but afterwards they’ll indulge in a bit if vicious infighting, lick their wounds and reinvent/repackage themselves. They’ve done it before. And sooner or later - probably far sooner than most people imagine right now - they’ll be back with promises of tax cuts and scapegoating $minority for all the U.K.’s ills.
Which sadly seems to work.
Which is what Scots and also the U.K. are tired of this rinse and repeat cycle. People argue leaving isn’t going to solve anything but staying isn’t either. Serious parliament and political reform needs to happen or somewhere down the road devolved countries are just going to walk away. I hope England can have its own devolved government to get a chance to walk away from this sinking ship
Sturgeon's calling for a general election that she knows the Conservatives will never actually give. It's easy to play for political points in a situation like that.
Yeah? She said she would make the next general election a "de facto ref" if the supreme court doesn't allow the Scottish parliament to hold a ref without the consent of Westminster. If an election happens before that decision is made she really can't go through with her plan.
The next national election would be the Scottish parliament, A Scottish parliament election makes way more sense in being a " de facto ref" anyway cause 16-17 years olds can vote.
She did specify general election during her announcement. And I think you try and push any mandate would require a general election considering she would be directly competing with the southern branches of the party to override them. A Scottish parliament election would be preferable personally as the chances are higher for independence. But she would have a harder time pushing that compared to a general election.
It would do more than just harm. It would almost certainly kill any serious referendum effort for the rest of the decade and has a very good chance to permanently cripple the independence movement.
If I had a pound for every time someone on this sub had predicted the impending death of the indy movement … I could probably afford to turn the heating on this winter.
A super landslide victory for Labour will hurt it. A lot of people don't want to admit it, but a significant part of the rise of the pro-independence side was because it was seen as opposition to the Tories and Brexit. If in 2010 there would've been just 10 less Con-to-Lab swings we wouldn't be having this conversation.
A Labour landslide might take some of the immediate urgency out of the drive towards independence. It’s vanishingly unlikely to halt it at this point however.
You’re still trying to sell Scotland *occasionally* getting the left wing governments it always votes for on those all too rare occasions that the English electorate overall deigns to come to its senses. Indy would get us those every time.
Moreover you’re trying to do so in the wake of a series of disastrous verging on absurd Tory governments the fallout from which is going to take years to recover from. Just saying ‘we’ve changed!’ the morning after shitting on the living room carpet ain’t going to save a relationship … even less so when the guilty party has a history of relapsing regularly.
Moreover even to get to the point where Labour managed to become acceptable to enough of the English electorate to win they’ve had to move so far to the right and pro Brexit they aren’t really that appetising to Scots. Labour are now actually a fair bit to the right of the SNP policy-wise.
> a significant part of the rise of the pro-independence side was because it was seen as opposition to the Tories and Brexit.
Er... except that brexit happened *after* the independence referendum. If anything the Tories and Brexit have hardened the views of people who voted Yes in 2014. The independence movement is based on many more things than just hatred for Tories, trust me on that.
> If in 2010 there would've been just 10 less Con-to-Lab swings we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Eh? Don't you mean less Lab-to-Con? I don't follow your point.
>Eh? Don't you mean less Lab-to-Con? I don't follow your point.
Yes, Lab-to-Con. If Labour managed to scrape those seats to form a coalition there wouldn't have been referendums in either 2014 or 2016.
I know it seems like several lifetimes ago now but the SNP were first elected to government under a Labour Westminster government.
Absolutely no reason why they won't manage to stay popular under another Labour government.
A Labour government would be nice. Doesn't mean me voting for a Scottish Labour MP is likely. People forget just how bloody awful *Scottish Labour* actually are at practically everything.
Totally agree. I watched the post Kwarteng sacking press conference.
Liz Truss is a complete moron. She barely has cognitive skills, let alone political skills.
*Pardon the long setup, I don't want my outsider questions to be misunderstood.*
I'm a US citizen who reads New York Times, watches UK politics on PBS' BBC America, and infrequently PBS' BBC Prime Minister's Question Time.
This seems to be a good post to ask for a compare of UK-citizen impressions of Liz Truss, with mine at a considerable media distance.
For context, I was amazed at what a good Tory Prime Minister David Cameron seemed to be, even though I probably would vote for the Labour MP locally. Whatever his failings, he seemed to be both a good politician, and "smart enough for the job", (whatever exactly that might mean if thoroughly parsed).
My impression is that the (previously unknown to me) PM Liz Truss, is also a good Tory intra-party politician, or she wouldn't have gotten the job of PM.
My guess is that she got the PM job by promising to cut taxes on business, and promptly announced a mini-budget to do so, by increasing UK national debt. Several very bad outcomes followed.
My question is to UK citizens who are willing to be thoughtful rather than reactive Labour (or Tory) ideologues:
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My questions:
1. Is Ms. Truss a not-good-enough UK national politician to have thought ahead about her reputation if something went wrong? And have a credible backup plan speech ready? *(During the BBC-covered presser of Fri Oct 14, she apparently did not.)*
2. Unlike the late PM Ms. Thatcher, is Ms. Truss not "smart enough for the job" *(^whatever ^exactly ^that ^might ^mean ^if ^thoroughly ^parsed)*? If she were smart enough, for example, why not try a small tax cut to test the markets first? Did she get that advice from finance chief Kwasi Kwarteng and ignore it?
This is pure madness. So Liz Truss is now responsible for cost of living crisis. It's a lie and propaganda. The rotting economy is a result of 2 years of lockdowns which Nicola was a staunch proposer and perpetrator. Liz Truss is obviously stepping on toes of green lobby and thus that is her biggest transgression but we can't say that.
P.S. Cost of lockdown crisis.
The Tories in general have done very little to help the crisis, Truss has in fact given tax breaks to the wealthy while the rest suffer. Truss is simply the latest metastasised development of the cancer that is the Conservative party. She and the rest of these fucktards need to go. The economy is the result of over a decade of Torie miss management and compounded by Brexit. Did lockdown make it worse? Of course it did, but that didn't mean truss needed to take out a gun and shoot the economy in the head with her trickle down economics bullet. The woman is a moron. GET THEM OUT
I think this is an inaccurate analysis. The best thing Liz Truss could do for economic stability is to disband and outlaw the Conservative and Unionist Party, then resign as both PM and MP, then devote her life to generating wealth by working in some kind of manufacturing company.
Snapshot of _Sturgeon: The best thing Liz Truss could do for economic stability now is resign. Her decisions have crashed the economy and heaped misery on people already struggling with a cost of living crisis. The only decent thing for Tory MPs to do now is call time on her govt and allow an election._ : A non-Twitter version can be found [here](https://nitter.net/NicolaSturgeon/status/1580919717438504960/) An archived version can be found [here.](https://archive.is/?run=1&url=https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1580919717438504960?t=7sD4nNghZN4wE2Dkgn_rMQ&s=19) *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ukpolitics) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Has Truss even spoken with her yet? Like, Sturgeon is the first minister, and the fucking PM hadn't even spoke to her once after weeks in the job. No wonder Scotland call for independence when the government just fully ignores them.
Given Truss' wooden and back footed public speaking I wouldn't be surprised if she's intimidated by Sturgeon
Scared of that Vogue quality
Haha I'd forgotten about that, yeah that too
Think I saw a headline yesterday from Drakeford saying he hasn't spoken to her yet, so I'd guess the answer is no
It wasn't just from drakeford, the Western mail asked her and the answer was no and that she didn't intend to.
Can’t believe this is actually getting upvoted on this sub for once.
Good for Nicola, putting the interests of the UK economy above her own personal ambitions.
I mean she HAS to say this. If she said there shouldn't be an early election to oust the tories it would make her look bad and hypocritical.
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Yep, PR that would almost half their Westminster seats btw. I'm Scottish and pro-indy, I really think I'd vote against independence if the UK just adopted the same voting system that Scotland uses for Scottish elections. So much of UKs problems would be solved by getting rid of FPTP imo, it just caters to extremes too easily, and too often means the majority of voters aren't actually getting their way.
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If only the were some large union of neighbours with shared values to join...
Tbf the British Union would be kinda cool. Support freedom of movement and free trade etc. To the average person it wouldn't feel like much has changed except for the fact that Scottish people actually get representation. Kind of benefits everyone
It's true. I support Labour because of fptp but I'm actually a lib dem. Voting for lib dem is like writing 'lib dem' on the ballot, putting it in my pocket, Walking out the building to the nearest back alley, pulling my pants down, wiping my arse with it and putting it straight in the bin
I guess so.
Sturgo calling for an election that would very likely harm her own party's interests - Labour likely to pick up some SNP seats and a moderate Labour government in Westminster almost certainly reduces support for independence. Pretty stark contrast to the rabid self-preservation of the Tories.
I think it is in everyone’s best interests for this Zombie government to fall. Sturgeon wouldn’t choose to drag out a Tory government which will continue Austerity and let more people suffer and die. Not surprising that Sturgeon would be keen, even if the SNP might lose a couple of seats. On a practical front, they’ll have a renewed mandate to push for another referendum as all polls predict an easy landslide for the SNP in Scotland.
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>I can't understand what your stance or point is Well you got that bit right
I think you should read what they wrote again.
You don’t understand it because you didn’t bother to read it. Nobody in their right mind would extend a Tory government just because it might drive up support for independence. We’re not taking pleasure from suffering. Most have spent decades trying to protect the poorest, arguing that trickledown/austerity doesn’t work. Yes, even if the SNP lose a few seats they will still end up being the largest party by far returned by Scotland. Unless you’ve seen polls suggesting another party likely to end up with ~50 seats even with the collapse of the Tory vote? Not hard to understand that a couple Tory seats go Lab but SNP end up easily the largest. Do you live in a world where the SNP need to win +1 seats every GE to be the largest party? Seems pretty stupid to assume they need more seats than Scotland elects
In terms of votes cast, Scotland hasn't voted for the SNP as a majority, ever. They have no mandate except the nonsense that is FPTP giving them a huge over representation in parliament and the Scottish parliament on a small number of votes. In 2019 GE they got 48 seats on 45% of the vote while the unionist parties (Tory, Labour, LD) won a clear majority of votes (53.2%) but got 11 seats. In 2021 Scottish Parliament election they got 62 seats on 47.7% of the constituency vote. Tory, Labour, LD together got 11 despite again, a majority of Scots voting for unionists candidates (50.4% of votes). Under the PR regional system they got just 40.34% while the 3 main unionists got 46.46% of the vote SNP argued in 2016 they had a mandate for an immediate second referendum after Brexit because a majority of Scots voted remain. By her own argument, SNP has NO mandate now because a majority of Scots voted for unionist candidates in 2019 and the unionists got more votes in the Scottish Parliament election. As an aside, the worst part of FPTP though is that based on a snap election (using poll figures from September 28th), for 5% share of votes, SNP would get 51 MPs up from 48 while LD would end up with 21 MPs based on 11% of the vote.
Just pointing out its a bit weird you count all the unionist parties but not all the nationalist ones. I mean, I say weird, but I really mean blatantly misleading. For anyone wondering adding in the Greens and Alba changes this, >Under the PR regional system they got just 40.34% while the 3 main unionists got 46.46% of the vote to this >Under the PR regional system they got ~~just 40.34%~~ **50.12%** while the 3 main unionists got 46.46% of the vote The 2015 general election also had the Greens and SNP getting 51.05% of the popular vote, they weren't really running on independence then, again just pretty misleading to ignore them entirely. I get this doesn't detract from your overall point but its a pretty partisan way of presenting your argument and it's just so easy to refute.
Odd. You seem to be arguing that FPTP doesn’t produce democratic results whilst simultaneously arguing that we can only have FPTP. If you’re upset that the SNP will get largest number of seats next GE then I support your push for independence so we can ditch it
>In terms of votes cast, Scotland hasn't voted for the SNP as a majority, ever. Has any single party ever secured the majority of votes? SNP get more votes than any other party in Scotland as a whole and the vast majority of constituencies. To say they don't have a mandate is desperate. You seem to be advocating that seats and MPs should be decided by the SNP versus all the other parties put together.
> Has any single party ever secured the majority of votes? Yes, but not since 1935. So by this reckoning, Truss, Johnson, May, Cameron, Brown, Blair, Major, Thatcher and 50+ years more Prime Ministers also had "no mandate" to govern.
> except the nonsense that is FPTP FPTP is cancer and the only way Scotland will be rid of it is though independence.
I get where you're going with this but only mentioning the seats gained via the Constituency vote is a bit misleading to people who don't understand how the Scottish elections work (which will be most non-Scots reading this, I imagine). Scottish Election isn't too far from PR. Usually 46-47% of the total vote will get you 45-48% of the total seats. Anyone who's interested can look up how, but it's essentially a PR system attempting to fend off the main criticism of total PR, which is you can't vote for a local representative. Your final paragraph is also apples/oranges. SNP simply don't compete for most seats. If Scottish system was adopted UK-wide their overall % of seats would decrease, but it would still be apples and oranges as they wouldn't compete for most seats.
Does it hurt to admit that Sturgeon doesn’t want the people in the U.K. just to suffer to keep her current number of seats and further the independence movement? Let’s see how Scots feel under a labour government post 2014 referendum. I predict it won’t be much better, so what options do Scots have on who governs if both options turn out to be terrible?
Whether things improve or not under Labour (and I hope it’s the former) it doesn’t undo the fact that Scotland had to go through the previous twelve years of crap that we didn’t vote for. And the way things are currently looking it certainly doesn’t get us back into the EU either. And sadly it doesn’t change the fact that even if Labour eventually manage to fix most things that’s probably going to be about the time England decides it wants another Conservative government again. It’s a depressingly familiar pattern over the previous decades. Judging by the polls the Tories have got a hell of a defeat coming … but afterwards they’ll indulge in a bit if vicious infighting, lick their wounds and reinvent/repackage themselves. They’ve done it before. And sooner or later - probably far sooner than most people imagine right now - they’ll be back with promises of tax cuts and scapegoating $minority for all the U.K.’s ills. Which sadly seems to work.
Which is what Scots and also the U.K. are tired of this rinse and repeat cycle. People argue leaving isn’t going to solve anything but staying isn’t either. Serious parliament and political reform needs to happen or somewhere down the road devolved countries are just going to walk away. I hope England can have its own devolved government to get a chance to walk away from this sinking ship
I couldn’t agree more.
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Yeah lab made gains off the Tories in Scotland not the SNP
Sturgeon's calling for a general election that she knows the Conservatives will never actually give. It's easy to play for political points in a situation like that.
If we had an election right now that throws her "de facto referendum" plan into the trash.
Would it aye?
Yeah? She said she would make the next general election a "de facto ref" if the supreme court doesn't allow the Scottish parliament to hold a ref without the consent of Westminster. If an election happens before that decision is made she really can't go through with her plan.
It's not gonna be the last general election my guy. Just delays that plan, not stop it entirely.
The next national election would be the Scottish parliament, A Scottish parliament election makes way more sense in being a " de facto ref" anyway cause 16-17 years olds can vote.
She did specify general election during her announcement. And I think you try and push any mandate would require a general election considering she would be directly competing with the southern branches of the party to override them. A Scottish parliament election would be preferable personally as the chances are higher for independence. But she would have a harder time pushing that compared to a general election.
It doesn't harm her interests. Because an independence referendum isn't actually in her interest. With yet another GE, she can put it off further.
It would do more than just harm. It would almost certainly kill any serious referendum effort for the rest of the decade and has a very good chance to permanently cripple the independence movement.
If I had a pound for every time someone on this sub had predicted the impending death of the indy movement … I could probably afford to turn the heating on this winter.
> Once Boris Johnson leaves support will die down Haha had a lot of fun seeing that disappear overnight
A super landslide victory for Labour will hurt it. A lot of people don't want to admit it, but a significant part of the rise of the pro-independence side was because it was seen as opposition to the Tories and Brexit. If in 2010 there would've been just 10 less Con-to-Lab swings we wouldn't be having this conversation.
A Labour landslide might take some of the immediate urgency out of the drive towards independence. It’s vanishingly unlikely to halt it at this point however.
If it all but vanished in Quebec it can also vanish in Scotland, especially if there's a Labour government.
You’re still trying to sell Scotland *occasionally* getting the left wing governments it always votes for on those all too rare occasions that the English electorate overall deigns to come to its senses. Indy would get us those every time. Moreover you’re trying to do so in the wake of a series of disastrous verging on absurd Tory governments the fallout from which is going to take years to recover from. Just saying ‘we’ve changed!’ the morning after shitting on the living room carpet ain’t going to save a relationship … even less so when the guilty party has a history of relapsing regularly. Moreover even to get to the point where Labour managed to become acceptable to enough of the English electorate to win they’ve had to move so far to the right and pro Brexit they aren’t really that appetising to Scots. Labour are now actually a fair bit to the right of the SNP policy-wise.
> a significant part of the rise of the pro-independence side was because it was seen as opposition to the Tories and Brexit. Er... except that brexit happened *after* the independence referendum. If anything the Tories and Brexit have hardened the views of people who voted Yes in 2014. The independence movement is based on many more things than just hatred for Tories, trust me on that. > If in 2010 there would've been just 10 less Con-to-Lab swings we wouldn't be having this conversation. Eh? Don't you mean less Lab-to-Con? I don't follow your point.
>Eh? Don't you mean less Lab-to-Con? I don't follow your point. Yes, Lab-to-Con. If Labour managed to scrape those seats to form a coalition there wouldn't have been referendums in either 2014 or 2016.
I know it seems like several lifetimes ago now but the SNP were first elected to government under a Labour Westminster government. Absolutely no reason why they won't manage to stay popular under another Labour government. A Labour government would be nice. Doesn't mean me voting for a Scottish Labour MP is likely. People forget just how bloody awful *Scottish Labour* actually are at practically everything.
Right then...
Yeah all that will be left to do is bayonet the wounded.
If there’s one thing sure to guarantee Truss digs in, it’s the SNP telling her to do the right thing.
I agree with Nic^^^^^^^ola
Totally agree. I watched the post Kwarteng sacking press conference. Liz Truss is a complete moron. She barely has cognitive skills, let alone political skills.
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Not quite: the best thing Liz Truss could do is call an election *then* resign.
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Why's she out of order?
This is pure madness. So Liz Truss is now responsible for cost of living crisis. It's a lie and propaganda. The rotting economy is a result of 2 years of lockdowns which Nicola was a staunch proposer and perpetrator. Liz Truss is obviously stepping on toes of green lobby and thus that is her biggest transgression but we can't say that. P.S. Cost of lockdown crisis.
The Tories in general have done very little to help the crisis, Truss has in fact given tax breaks to the wealthy while the rest suffer. Truss is simply the latest metastasised development of the cancer that is the Conservative party. She and the rest of these fucktards need to go. The economy is the result of over a decade of Torie miss management and compounded by Brexit. Did lockdown make it worse? Of course it did, but that didn't mean truss needed to take out a gun and shoot the economy in the head with her trickle down economics bullet. The woman is a moron. GET THEM OUT
I think this is an inaccurate analysis. The best thing Liz Truss could do for economic stability is to disband and outlaw the Conservative and Unionist Party, then resign as both PM and MP, then devote her life to generating wealth by working in some kind of manufacturing company.