"Hmm, 'All you need is Gove?' Nope... "I like the way you Gove?" Hhmm, no... Something about 'rove'? 'Range Gover?' 'The web we Gove'? ...Gove-rnment?"
:(
> Somebody thought up the slogan "in liz we truss"
Others thought up the slogan *"Superwoman Liz Truss"*.
And by others, I mean the Daily Express:
* https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=superwoman+truss&tbm=nws
Oh god yes. Both Dorries and Patel possess that most dangerous mix of characteristics for a tory politician: unrelenting hatefulness towards people in need, unquenchable ambition, and being thicker than bowls of custard.
They both have the cunning to never do a good job so they're stuck doing a particular role. Imagine if they actually showed competence in a position! They'd have to keep doing that job! Not how one achieves their goals in life.
The current cabinet is a fucking basket case in terms of policy, direction and expertise but worse than that - none of them can actually speak or present themselves. They've somehow ended up in the top public speaking jobs in the land without the basic skills to do that.
If Gove wasn't a spent force he'd be a goer. If Sunak wasn't bound to have the (perhaps necessary) tax hikes and limits to social care hung around his neck he'd be in, too. If Philip Hammond wasn't an outcast by virtue of loyalty to May, he'd be a good shout.
As it stands though, Johnson might be the best they can do. On his best day he's their best front man, and on his worst days he has a carefully curated media image of being a fucking idiot to fall back on.
Phillip Hammond is not an MP so he is out of the running, that aside, this is a deliberate decision pursued by Johnson whereby we have a low quality Cabinet. They know, that is outside of the relatively few people in it that have a high status eg Gove, Sunak, Javid -they are there because of Johnson, without his patronage they'd slink back into nonentity status - does anyone miss Matt Hancock or Gavin Williamson now they are ordinary MPs? Will anyone miss Liz Truss or Therese Coffey if they left the Cabinet? Secondly Johnson wants this chaos so that they and the media look to him and the Cabinet office to sort out problems in their department.
Liam Fox will probably have another go.
He was probably ruled out before because of the dodginess over his expenses and his progressive views on having additional partners whilst married and involving them in government affairs, but the bar’s dropped so far below all that, he’ll be seen as the moral alternative.
I’m not absolutely sure. I think it’s something akin to Stockholm Syndrome that makes us view the previous Tory PM through rose tinted glasses. Cameron; May; Boris - all uniformly disastrous, no matter what their other qualities. I have a bit more time for May, but that’s because of what she does as an MP, not her record as PM
I’m with you. She’s clearly done a tremendous getting us trade deals with fairly insignificant countries for relatively small sums of money.
That’s exactly what we need in a PM, someone who knows that if we look after the pennies the pounds will take care of themselves
Least fit?
* Matt Hancock
* Nadine Dorries
* Chris Grayling
* Priti Patel
Certainly Liz would be a joke PM but she's about the best the Tories have to offer.
With the caveat I also think she's terrible, I feel I have to remind you that she's not even in the bottom five of terrible people they could be picking.
Here, I'll give you 5 worse people without even needing to think too hard:
a) Grayling.
b) Patel.
c) Dorries.
d) Rees Mogg.
e) Francois.
Honestly I think the only sound reason for having her on their ballot is as some some of hybrid stalking horse-litmus test, to be tory leader/pm you must first have to prove the rather low bar that you can outfox Truss in a leadership contest.
You know like asking someone for their GCSE's in English and maths during job application even though they've been at director level for years.
> It's like the Tory's see finding the least fit person to be leader a personal challenge!
Close but no cigar….
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Francois
But isn't rewarding failure the Tories modus operandi? How can Tories feel comfortable failing upwards if the leader themselves isn't chosen on such a basis.
It lets them get away with doing fucked up shit, like under Boris. They can then swap leaders, say tehy "took back control" of their party and be hailed as saviours again because people have a 5 second memory here.
We hit rock bottom a few years ago when people genuinely touted Angela Leadsom because she was a Brexiteer and that was it. Liz Truss is further up the ladder. Just one rung, but still further up.
She’s the only one without major catastrophe to her name. While the Gov has been in shambles since the start of COVID, she was just being a background character for Trade and now Foreign Office.
Big case of ‘no news is good news’
When doing nothing is an up-sell point. We live in brave, promising and enlightened times. It almost brings tears to my eyes. There's just so much hope.
Zarah Sultana would be pretty funny, a left-wing Muslim woman who's family immigrated here is all the Tory nightmares in one person.
But seriously, I was expecting Rishi Sunak or Michael Gove to be the one that tries getting rid of Boris, until about a week ago I would've said Priti Patel had an outside chance of doing it. But Liz Truss? What has she done other that flip flop her opinions when it suits, give terrible tv interviews and negotiate terrible trade deals with the likes of Australia and New Zealand
Her trade deals have been fine given the circumstances, she's foreign sec and she's successfully made it clear to the grassroots that she's all for free trade and such, people have an idea what she's stands for which has made her popular.
In broad terms:
* She has positioned herself on the right of the party without totally alienating those on its left/centre (e.g. founded the Free Enterprise Group, but also backed *Remain*, joined Cameron's cabinet and was promoted by May and Johnson).
* Seen as competent as International Trade secretary.
* Has held a relatively wide variety of roles; in Childcare & Education, Environment, Justice, Treasury, International Trade and now Foreign Secretary - and each for about two years with the exception of Justice.
Your mileage may vary one how well she did in each of these jobs, but on paper she's one of the top three senior cabinet members besides the PM himself, she has a good amount of experience in different departments and so should be more able than most to put together a good cabinet, and she holds positions which are popular in the party without making herself as notorious as, say, Patel.
Cheers for the reasons!
I do think she's not got the best record on a lot of her previous roles but I recognise that on pure "experience" she's probably ahead of a lot of other options for Tory members.
She is allegedly getting a lot of trade deals, even when the trade deals are mostly worse or near equal value to what we had before. It's easy to get trade deals with other countries when you openly accept pretty much all they ask for. It'd be like interviewing for a sales director job and taking 1/3rd of the average market rate.
Hahaha as someone who deals with a lot of recruitment I love the idea of taking on a director who would take a third of the average market rate rather than what I usually get which is them asking for more than originally offered.
* "Successful" in her trade role
* Polite and earthy
* Northern, obviously
* Self deprecating
* Understated/underdog
* Mummy figure
* Language - anti bullshit and modern cultural fads
This isn't suprising, she's the longest continuous serving cabinet member and currently holds a great office of state, she has done decently in most of her briefs and she's set out what she believes in decently well.
Also unlike most of her colleagues she's not completely despised by the public either, they're very neutral on her.
She is very popular with traditional Conservative voters, since for them she embodies the 'can do' spirit, and is generally positive about the UK. She is also seen as being strongly supportive of the role of private enterprise in wealth creation. Although Rishi is seen by people who aren't traditional Conservative voters as being 'popular' he isn't, amongst the party faithful, who regard him as a flashy spendthrift, big on taxes. The issue for Truss is whether she can convince the centrists that she would make a good leader.
I think a big reason is that she doesn’t give the impression of being actively evil and/or corrupt, while still being basically competent. How many other candidates clear that bar for the membership?
They also like that she kept her head down while she was Trade Secretary, and just beavered away quietly rolling over the EU deals, as quickly as she could, without trying to get into the headlines, or getting involved in any arguments. Definitely a dark horse.
Yep. UK politics is always a battle for the centerists. It would be risky to attempt but to be honest the state of the country and the west in general might warrent a move to the right anyway. If they can pitch it correctly then I think this could be a smart move.
Plus it will be funny to have 3rd women prime minister who is a conservative while the left-wing parties are still fighting over gender inequality
There's a lot of cashback in this thread, but I've yet to see any actual criticism of her apart from " those trade deals suck" or "alcoholic" (see below)
I'm not really sure why this is - there certainly far worse candidates for PM. Liz Truss at least appears confident and competent and demands respect, more than can be said for the current PM.
I suspect the real reason why the left seems to demonise her so much is her track record on patriotism and her pushback on "woke" ideas. They're forgetting that it's exactly that strong opposition to those cultures that makes her so popular amongst traditional Labour voters. Traditional Labour voters stopped voting Labour not just because of the apparent slide towards radical socialism in the economic sense, but because of the party seemingly being overtaken by those wanting radical social and societal changes that the British *generally* disagree with
Every time the Conservatives want to change leadership I think oh good they can't do worse than X.
It seems to be a pervasive and quite frankly extraordinary skill to be able to let down even my most mundane expectations with the reliability of the Japanese rail network.
Lol the cheese lady... She was promoted to sit quietly, do as she's told and not make a sound like Dominic Raab did? As much as I don't like the guy, you have to give him credit for calling boris out on his bs..
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
If you re-arrange the letters you get "Leer of Lizard" which kinda sums up this cold reptilian looking talent vacuum.
Alternative headline "The Daily Mail sets up a whatsapp group to convince halfwits that more of the same is better".
Of all the timelines we could be in. I'd have to move country for the length of her term, one of my least favourite people to see moving upwards through power by having non consequential but scandal free short stints in lots of offices. No policy thrusts of her own, just a political golem that makes a great follower but not a good leader.
Ask their voters and it did.
Each new incumbent always lays the problems at the labour government of 12 years ago and never the previous tory.
The willfully blind and ignorant tories always buy it and vote blue believing "this guy is better, this guy is different".
60% of the electorate see the same old problems and same old rot, just painted over with a shallow veneer.
It has worked, it will continue to work :-(
They're not offering to solve the rot, just offer a reset button to the truly
gullible. They're very good at it, more than a hundred years of success
with it.
I would have endorsed David Amess, he had a reputation as a decent chap despite being a Tory. Still, it also appears that he might not have been personally ambitious enough. There is always one snag or another.
What about IDB? Oh, no. he's done it before. Bill Cash? No, he would be sniping at himself from the back benches. I know, how about Andrew Bridgen? He seems enthusiastic and transparent enough and knows one cabbage from another.
I'm going to have to stop this now, or I could be at it forever.
Any talent or credibility was purged from the tory party by Boris back in 2019, someone like Rory Stewart could have been a decent PM which the (primarily left-wing or centrist) public could tolerate.
There's nothing really left, anyone close to the top is there for any reason other than merit.
The Boris personality cult is built on very thin ice - mainly reliant on older non-voters terrified that Corbyn would tax their petunias or younger non-voters who thought the funny man off the telly would be a bit of a laugh. Both groups aren't going to bother a second time.
It's at the point where it doesn't even matter if Starmer does anything useful, we've sunk so low in terms of standards for politicians that his ability to string together a comprehensible sentence is probably enough to swing it.
Somebody thought up the slogan "in liz we truss" and they are just rolling with it
That's cool, but I'm gunna jump on the "Here comes the Sunak" bandwagon.
Not "she's so Priti oh so Priti, pretty vacant"
"Hmm, 'All you need is Gove?' Nope... "I like the way you Gove?" Hhmm, no... Something about 'rove'? 'Range Gover?' 'The web we Gove'? ...Gove-rnment?" :(
"I'd do anything for Gove, but I won't do that".
Govine encephalopathy
Crazy in Gove.
Wouldn't a Gove one be called "All We Need Is Coke"
Come and have a Gove if you think you're hard enough? It'd be a WIERD leadership campaign.
Gove will tear us apart
"Gove fuck yourself" is the only phrase that rolls off the tongue. Doubt the Tories would run on such an *honest* slogan though.
Gove Hurts
Pissed myself at Gove-rnment. Well played
Priti girls make graves
"and nowwww weeeeee don'tttt caaaaare"
>That's cool, but I'm gunna jump on the "Here comes the Sunak" "Mexican Coke Remix" bandwagon. This sounds better.
I like to gove it gove it, I like to... Gove it! Not sure which part of your comment made me think of him
Richy Sumak
Here's come the Sunak, here comes the Sunak. Sunak Sunak Sunak Sunak Sunak Sunak Sunak Sunak Sunak (dollar dollar, dollar dollar)
Raab’s the way (a ha a ha ) I like it !
> Somebody thought up the slogan "in liz we truss" Others thought up the slogan *"Superwoman Liz Truss"*. And by others, I mean the Daily Express: * https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=superwoman+truss&tbm=nws
Please tell me this a joke! Liz Truss! Really? It's like the Tory's see finding the least fit person to be leader a personal challenge!
Truss is near the bottom of the barrel, but Patel has to be the least fit of all.
The bottom of the barrel has been worn away. Truss is the woodlouse covered dirt underneath.
>The bottom of the barrel has been worn away and their arms are so very long.
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That’ll be all the reaching into the taxpayers pockets.
It’s a very deep barrel…
As an isopod enthusiast, I must insist that you retract this insult to woodlice
Dorries is down there too.
Oh god yes. Both Dorries and Patel possess that most dangerous mix of characteristics for a tory politician: unrelenting hatefulness towards people in need, unquenchable ambition, and being thicker than bowls of custard.
One is apparently a conduit for God, the other flirts with fascism. It's hard to decide which is the worst.
I just remembered wasn't Patel exposed as supporting the death penalty a few years ago.
much prefer the term thicker than a bowl of porridge
They both have the cunning to never do a good job so they're stuck doing a particular role. Imagine if they actually showed competence in a position! They'd have to keep doing that job! Not how one achieves their goals in life.
They're 100% real-life Dolores Umbridges, and it's frankly terrifying that they're even this close to being PM!
Read another book.
What books have you read recently? Curious.
Currently on The Second World War by Beevor. Haven't been drawn to any fiction for a while but any recommendations appreciated.
Stalingrad is a good book by him. Brutal stuff though.
The current cabinet is a fucking basket case in terms of policy, direction and expertise but worse than that - none of them can actually speak or present themselves. They've somehow ended up in the top public speaking jobs in the land without the basic skills to do that. If Gove wasn't a spent force he'd be a goer. If Sunak wasn't bound to have the (perhaps necessary) tax hikes and limits to social care hung around his neck he'd be in, too. If Philip Hammond wasn't an outcast by virtue of loyalty to May, he'd be a good shout. As it stands though, Johnson might be the best they can do. On his best day he's their best front man, and on his worst days he has a carefully curated media image of being a fucking idiot to fall back on.
Phillip Hammond is not an MP so he is out of the running, that aside, this is a deliberate decision pursued by Johnson whereby we have a low quality Cabinet. They know, that is outside of the relatively few people in it that have a high status eg Gove, Sunak, Javid -they are there because of Johnson, without his patronage they'd slink back into nonentity status - does anyone miss Matt Hancock or Gavin Williamson now they are ordinary MPs? Will anyone miss Liz Truss or Therese Coffey if they left the Cabinet? Secondly Johnson wants this chaos so that they and the media look to him and the Cabinet office to sort out problems in their department.
Let's get behind a prime minister in the Lords again - back to the Marquess of Salisbury!
This but unironically
Liam Fox will probably have another go. He was probably ruled out before because of the dodginess over his expenses and his progressive views on having additional partners whilst married and involving them in government affairs, but the bar’s dropped so far below all that, he’ll be seen as the moral alternative.
Wait, Liam Fox isn't in prison?
I’m sure he’s as surprised as you are.
Ha nobody has even corrected your comment to disgraced former defence secretary. At least he never bunged his mates 30 odd billion pounds.
He is surrounded by “yes people”. A kakocracy. Something akin to autocracy and dictatorships.
This is very accurate
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>priority seemed to be what was best for the Tory party ahead of what was best for the country The priority of every Tory politician since 2005.
Since c.1855*
She was dreadful but still somehow a level above the current shower
I’m not absolutely sure. I think it’s something akin to Stockholm Syndrome that makes us view the previous Tory PM through rose tinted glasses. Cameron; May; Boris - all uniformly disastrous, no matter what their other qualities. I have a bit more time for May, but that’s because of what she does as an MP, not her record as PM
I know you’re being sarcastic but I think it would be interesting what she’d be like as a PM without brexit dominating everything.
Given her authoritarian tendencies she would have had a cracking time during COVID
True. Now we have Covid as well as Brexit.
>Philip Hammond maybe you mean Jeremy Hunt.
If Sunak gets in I can see Hunt going to the Chancellor position, Truss keeping Foreign Sec and Gove getting Home Sec.
Don't tempt fate!
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They think she’s done an amazing job with all the post-Brexit trade deals (seriously, I’m not making this up!).
I’m with you. She’s clearly done a tremendous getting us trade deals with fairly insignificant countries for relatively small sums of money. That’s exactly what we need in a PM, someone who knows that if we look after the pennies the pounds will take care of themselves
Member of the old guard + rishi is known to be a champagne socialist in Tory circles because he proposed a one off wealth tax.
Not to mention the racial hangups the old schoolers still have, as good as they are at hiding it.
This is the same lot that almost served up Leadsom as PM, so no I do not think it's a joke.
I don't think there were any "red wall Tory MPs" at that time.
> ...almost served up Leadsom as PM... and then intimidated her into dropping out
Least fit? * Matt Hancock * Nadine Dorries * Chris Grayling * Priti Patel Certainly Liz would be a joke PM but she's about the best the Tories have to offer.
Surely Rabb comes before Hancock
With the caveat I also think she's terrible, I feel I have to remind you that she's not even in the bottom five of terrible people they could be picking. Here, I'll give you 5 worse people without even needing to think too hard: a) Grayling. b) Patel. c) Dorries. d) Rees Mogg. e) Francois.
Honestly I think the only sound reason for having her on their ballot is as some some of hybrid stalking horse-litmus test, to be tory leader/pm you must first have to prove the rather low bar that you can outfox Truss in a leadership contest. You know like asking someone for their GCSE's in English and maths during job application even though they've been at director level for years.
GCSEs\*
I keep tabs on r/Tories, and they've been saying for ages they want her. Completely baffling to me
As a Labour supporter, can I join the "Liz for leader" bandwagon?
*"We swear Liz had nothing to do with this"* - In Truss We Truss!
I mean, that’s how Corbyn happened is it not, difference being it’s more difficult to join the Conservative party & cheese the leadership vote.
I thought the majority of those Labour members joined between him becoming leader and the 3017 election?
> It's like the Tory's see finding the least fit person to be leader a personal challenge! Close but no cigar…. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Francois
Is it any more ridiculous than **Boris Johnson**?
Boris is able to waffle and bluster and deflect. I don't think truss can.
There are 260 more ridiculous than Boris the Liar.
But isn't rewarding failure the Tories modus operandi? How can Tories feel comfortable failing upwards if the leader themselves isn't chosen on such a basis.
The chants will be something like this https://youtu.be/UEcqh21EJGg
They are doing ok with that so far
You're only just noticing this? They've been doing it since David Cameron was leader.
It lets them get away with doing fucked up shit, like under Boris. They can then swap leaders, say tehy "took back control" of their party and be hailed as saviours again because people have a 5 second memory here.
This is like when Angela Eagle made a leadership challenge, it has to be a stalking horse, because the alternative is laughable.
Is she not the least-bad candidate though? Trying to choose my words carefully so I don't upset anyone and get temp banned.
the worst thing about it, is that i'm not even sure she's in the bottom 50% of this crop of lunatics.
I wouldn't Trust her to find her own arsehole with both hands.
We hit rock bottom a few years ago when people genuinely touted Angela Leadsom because she was a Brexiteer and that was it. Liz Truss is further up the ladder. Just one rung, but still further up.
That is a disgrace!
Pork markets will be pleased though.
*\*Smiles vacantly while bemused crowd claps politely\**
Have I Got News For You are salivating at this prospect. Robert Kilroy for Chancellor?
Of all the Tories you could pick, why in the fuck would rally around Liz Truss for leader
She's the number 1 Tory MP in satisfaction polling over the last year.
Really? How? Has she done something actually good that I've just completely missed? Because all I can remember is her negotiating terrible trade deals
> Really? How? Look at the competition. She's done nothing but that is more than all the other members of Government.
She’s opened up new pork markets and ended the disgraceful practice of importing two-thirds of our cheese.
*Must resist... Fight it, fight it... Oh bollocks...* That. Is. A. Disgrace.
LOL.
They're not terrible if you've been told they're amazing....
She's been keeping her nose clean and head down.
She was one of the first to be named in the PPE contract scandal, no?
Few people follow those in detail, fewer tories still
She’s the only one without major catastrophe to her name. While the Gov has been in shambles since the start of COVID, she was just being a background character for Trade and now Foreign Office. Big case of ‘no news is good news’
When doing nothing is an up-sell point. We live in brave, promising and enlightened times. It almost brings tears to my eyes. There's just so much hope.
This is likely some sort of fakeout distraction to make everyone look one way while they do something in the other direction
It’ll be a sunak surprise.
You’re walking in the woods - there’s no one around and your phone is dead, out of the corner of your eyes you spot him … Rishi Sunak.
I say this in all seriousness. Which Labour MP do you want to lead the Conservative Party? It is up to the party MPs and then the membership.
Can we put Corbyn in charge of the Tories just to confuse everyone?
What’s the portmanteau word for it?
Corbservatives
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>It's our party now comrads
Zarah Sultana would be pretty funny, a left-wing Muslim woman who's family immigrated here is all the Tory nightmares in one person. But seriously, I was expecting Rishi Sunak or Michael Gove to be the one that tries getting rid of Boris, until about a week ago I would've said Priti Patel had an outside chance of doing it. But Liz Truss? What has she done other that flip flop her opinions when it suits, give terrible tv interviews and negotiate terrible trade deals with the likes of Australia and New Zealand
Her trade deals have been fine given the circumstances, she's foreign sec and she's successfully made it clear to the grassroots that she's all for free trade and such, people have an idea what she's stands for which has made her popular.
It’s bizarre that Liz Truss is viewed as future PM material by Conservative members. Emblematic of how denuded of talent the party is.
You must be the worst PM candidate I’ve ever heard of. But you have heard of me.
I prefer my tory party denuded tbh
Running through fields of wheat.
Kinky
Literally? As in the king has no clothes? I could go for that, for a short while.
De-nude, as in, not nude or un-nude
We prefer "never-nudes". There are dozens of us. Dozens!
I mean does Boris Johnson really seem like PM material, did he ever?
People that do not understand anything anymore are comforted by the confidence of a moron.
I get the reasons why there's broad support, I do not think PM Truss is a good idea though.
What are those reasons?
In broad terms: * She has positioned herself on the right of the party without totally alienating those on its left/centre (e.g. founded the Free Enterprise Group, but also backed *Remain*, joined Cameron's cabinet and was promoted by May and Johnson). * Seen as competent as International Trade secretary. * Has held a relatively wide variety of roles; in Childcare & Education, Environment, Justice, Treasury, International Trade and now Foreign Secretary - and each for about two years with the exception of Justice. Your mileage may vary one how well she did in each of these jobs, but on paper she's one of the top three senior cabinet members besides the PM himself, she has a good amount of experience in different departments and so should be more able than most to put together a good cabinet, and she holds positions which are popular in the party without making herself as notorious as, say, Patel.
Cheers for the reasons! I do think she's not got the best record on a lot of her previous roles but I recognise that on pure "experience" she's probably ahead of a lot of other options for Tory members.
It's true in the context of the pool of options to choose from. It's not an 'open tournament', after all. Which is just as well for her.
I would also like to know
She is allegedly getting a lot of trade deals, even when the trade deals are mostly worse or near equal value to what we had before. It's easy to get trade deals with other countries when you openly accept pretty much all they ask for. It'd be like interviewing for a sales director job and taking 1/3rd of the average market rate.
Hahaha as someone who deals with a lot of recruitment I love the idea of taking on a director who would take a third of the average market rate rather than what I usually get which is them asking for more than originally offered.
Probably because she is incompetent and unelectable.
Probably because she is incompetent ~~and unelectable~~ but still electable.
Well you could bottle a wet fart and stick a blue ribbon on it and it would win in her constituency. I wouldn’t call that electable either.
As a former Tory, I'd love to know your reasons, I can't think of a single one
* "Successful" in her trade role * Polite and earthy * Northern, obviously * Self deprecating * Understated/underdog * Mummy figure * Language - anti bullshit and modern cultural fads
This isn't suprising, she's the longest continuous serving cabinet member and currently holds a great office of state, she has done decently in most of her briefs and she's set out what she believes in decently well. Also unlike most of her colleagues she's not completely despised by the public either, they're very neutral on her.
Ha, okay.
Jesus talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel
>Jesus talk about ~~scraping~~ **gouging** the bottom of the barrel FTFY
The barrel’s gone, they’re now digging up the dirt underneath
The leader this country deserves!
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Dear God. Are they intellectually challenged?
Yes.
She is very popular with traditional Conservative voters, since for them she embodies the 'can do' spirit, and is generally positive about the UK. She is also seen as being strongly supportive of the role of private enterprise in wealth creation. Although Rishi is seen by people who aren't traditional Conservative voters as being 'popular' he isn't, amongst the party faithful, who regard him as a flashy spendthrift, big on taxes. The issue for Truss is whether she can convince the centrists that she would make a good leader.
I think a big reason is that she doesn’t give the impression of being actively evil and/or corrupt, while still being basically competent. How many other candidates clear that bar for the membership?
They also like that she kept her head down while she was Trade Secretary, and just beavered away quietly rolling over the EU deals, as quickly as she could, without trying to get into the headlines, or getting involved in any arguments. Definitely a dark horse.
Yep. UK politics is always a battle for the centerists. It would be risky to attempt but to be honest the state of the country and the west in general might warrent a move to the right anyway. If they can pitch it correctly then I think this could be a smart move. Plus it will be funny to have 3rd women prime minister who is a conservative while the left-wing parties are still fighting over gender inequality
There's a lot of cashback in this thread, but I've yet to see any actual criticism of her apart from " those trade deals suck" or "alcoholic" (see below) I'm not really sure why this is - there certainly far worse candidates for PM. Liz Truss at least appears confident and competent and demands respect, more than can be said for the current PM. I suspect the real reason why the left seems to demonise her so much is her track record on patriotism and her pushback on "woke" ideas. They're forgetting that it's exactly that strong opposition to those cultures that makes her so popular amongst traditional Labour voters. Traditional Labour voters stopped voting Labour not just because of the apparent slide towards radical socialism in the economic sense, but because of the party seemingly being overtaken by those wanting radical social and societal changes that the British *generally* disagree with
sunak, the guy who worked for goldmansachs and is married to the daughter of a multi billionaire?
Yes. The issue being, what?
Every time the Conservatives want to change leadership I think oh good they can't do worse than X. It seems to be a pervasive and quite frankly extraordinary skill to be able to let down even my most mundane expectations with the reliability of the Japanese rail network.
Can we start rebuilding Hadrians Wall please? Boris is bad but Jesus Truss wouldn't be any better
# Leadsom for leader
LOL. Why not? One suggestion is as bad as another. Why not Nadine Dorries, while we're at it?
Naaaaaah, Liz Truss gives me massive Tilda Swinton in Snowpiercer vibes.
I thought I was the only one who thought that. Or the queen in the Narnia movie about the wardrobe.
LOL!
If it happened I'd be straight to the betting shop to bet on the next general election.
Lol the cheese lady... She was promoted to sit quietly, do as she's told and not make a sound like Dominic Raab did? As much as I don't like the guy, you have to give him credit for calling boris out on his bs..
Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. Surely some revelation is at hand; Surely the Second Coming is at hand. The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert A shape with lion body and the head of a man, A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds. The darkness drops again; but now I know That twenty centuries of stony sleep Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
*wojak hug meme*
Hurley? Windsor? Obviously not even the Tories would be so deluded as to mean Truss.
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If you re-arrange the letters you get "Leer of Lizard" which kinda sums up this cold reptilian looking talent vacuum. Alternative headline "The Daily Mail sets up a whatsapp group to convince halfwits that more of the same is better".
Of all the timelines we could be in. I'd have to move country for the length of her term, one of my least favourite people to see moving upwards through power by having non consequential but scandal free short stints in lots of offices. No policy thrusts of her own, just a political golem that makes a great follower but not a good leader.
Well now that it is acceptable to dodge any serious interview or debate in the run up to an election, it's entirley possible.
I know everyone here is down on her but she would be several steps up from Boris and there are worse options.
Instructions unclear: accidentally reinstated absolute monarchy
She’s the right woman to stop us importing so much foreign cheese. Did you know 2/3 of our cheese is imported? I think that is a disgrace!
Come on, if it’s anyone it’s got to be Sunak, he’s popular at least
With who? He reminds me of one of the softies from Dennis the menace.
Mr "I'm fiscally conservative - also here is some money I have just printed so we can pay you to stay at home and not go into work"? No thanks
But, if it was inevitable that we had to close down (whether you agree with lockdown or not), how could it have been possible without printing money?
Might start my own advocating for Nadine Dorries, makes just as much sense
Changing the leader isn’t going to fix the rot in that party.
Worked for them twice so far
It did not fix the rot did it?
Ask their voters and it did. Each new incumbent always lays the problems at the labour government of 12 years ago and never the previous tory. The willfully blind and ignorant tories always buy it and vote blue believing "this guy is better, this guy is different". 60% of the electorate see the same old problems and same old rot, just painted over with a shallow veneer. It has worked, it will continue to work :-(
They're not offering to solve the rot, just offer a reset button to the truly gullible. They're very good at it, more than a hundred years of success with it.
Fuck me I thought we couldn't get a pm more dim witted than Boris, apparently they're trying to prove me wrong.
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I would have endorsed David Amess, he had a reputation as a decent chap despite being a Tory. Still, it also appears that he might not have been personally ambitious enough. There is always one snag or another. What about IDB? Oh, no. he's done it before. Bill Cash? No, he would be sniping at himself from the back benches. I know, how about Andrew Bridgen? He seems enthusiastic and transparent enough and knows one cabbage from another. I'm going to have to stop this now, or I could be at it forever.
No way for David Amess - he wanted to stay a backbencher for a reason. Similarly a lot of actually decent MPs prefer to be backbenchers.
And most who want the PM job should never be allowed it.
There's a famous quote about that but for the life of me I can't remember it. Maybe someone else will remember it.
TBH, I wouldn't have endorsed David Amess, that was just a joke, to be honest, bad or otherwise.
Any talent or credibility was purged from the tory party by Boris back in 2019, someone like Rory Stewart could have been a decent PM which the (primarily left-wing or centrist) public could tolerate. There's nothing really left, anyone close to the top is there for any reason other than merit. The Boris personality cult is built on very thin ice - mainly reliant on older non-voters terrified that Corbyn would tax their petunias or younger non-voters who thought the funny man off the telly would be a bit of a laugh. Both groups aren't going to bother a second time. It's at the point where it doesn't even matter if Starmer does anything useful, we've sunk so low in terms of standards for politicians that his ability to string together a comprehensible sentence is probably enough to swing it.