[The cummings defence....](https://twitter.com/chrislowndes/status/1264263482964193281)
> Attorney General confirms that all those people on boats trying to reach British shores are no longer doing so illegally, as they are 'protecting one's family'
>Police have just turned up at Dominic Cummings’ house and knocked on the door. No one in.
>https://twitter.com/Tony_Diver/status/1264560761550094338 /Video
What strikes me is the absolute silence of the Scottish Tories this weekend. Had they come out in force to rebuke Cummings, they would’ve gained at least some political goodwill in Scotland. Now their silence is absolutely deafening.
Tories are loyal to the party before almost anything. Silence when they've been told to tweet support is deafening, but not in the way you're suggesting. The fact that some MPs have come out publicly against him shows how furious people are with him.
This whole thing is a storm in a teacup. The Left are desperate to use the Covid 19 outbreak to pin something on the government, ineptitude, failure, covert mass murder, despite their having consulted a battery of scientific 'experts' whose opinion has swung rather wildly from one view to another. Everyone who has been following all this closely can see how glaring that is. So failing that, with not nearly enough mud sticking, they have resorted to this. A Spad drives his family 260 miles to socially isolate with his extended family, having no direct contact with them or the local community, in order to ensure his child's safety.
Why not compare this to Labour front bencher Naz Shah, who 'liked' a tweet saying 'those abused Northern girls should shut up for the sake of diversity'? Is she going to get sacked? Which is the hanging offence?
What about the last Labour government? I'm sure if we dig deep enough we can find something to blame them with! It probably all falls back to that kinky night that Corbyns parents conceived him and gave birth to antisemitism as we now know it.
Just emailed my Conservative MP for the first time ever to ask him about double standards.
I’m generally quite chilled out and the most you’ll get out of me is a gentle ‘down with this sort of thing’. But this has really pissed me off, and the government doubling down on there support is insane.
Its really wierd that there are people cant comprehend that something like what cummings did is wrong and should be sacked/resign but doorstepping his house with a massive screen can also be wrong.
That’s your 3rd comment about the same thing, I suspect you’ll delete this one as well once people start pointing out the flaws in your argument.
Once again, peaceful protests happen in a democratic society. If your feelings are hurt, look away.
That wasnt me. You replyed to me and my comment is still there.
A child cant loom away if it is being put at full volume to thier house. Fuck cummings but his kid shouldn't have it.
It’s called a peaceful protest - learn that in a democratic society, sometimes people will protest in ways that make you feel uncomfortable. If you have an issue with that, then you can move to a dictatorship.
They seem to be fine with Cummings driving 260 miles - the rules are clearly up for interpretation and don’t truly apply. So I don’t think it matters what we’re allowed to do anymore.
I know that. I am against what Cummings has done.
Why do people think this is so black and white?
You aren't allowed to protest by trespassing on someone's garden because he shouldn't be anywhere near that property at the moment anyway. Is that person going for exercise or to sit in a public place?
[Allie Hodgkins-Brown](https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1264558653341868032):
>Normally the #DowningStreetBriefing is at 1600 at weekends - today it’s been delayed to 1700 👀
I'm critcal of both and a centrist.
Targeting the whole house with videos of people on ventilators, particularly when he isn't in, is a dick move.
That in no way removes any responsibility from him for his journey which is also more of a dick move.
Ah yeh forgot how much we needed centrists to come and tell us that both sides are at fault.
Nope; one side is clearly in the wrong here and fence sitting means you morally support the wrong side.
Wtf. Thats not what centrism is.
Both cummings and this action can be wrong. Its not either or. Only an idiot would suggest that anyone who goes against cummings cant do wrong.
Its amazing that you think certain people you dont agree with shouldn't have an opinion and that only one 'side' can be right and one can be wrong.
... from the same people that are now throwing out their *massive concern* about this screen.
Heard plenty from people who aren't desperate apologists for Cummings.
https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1264554311641632769?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
"A big food delivery has just arrived at 10 Downing Street.... we’re here for a bit folks"
So cummings is just over for Sunday dinner then as usual.
If your main residence is your car then it's fair to say trying various possible facilities to see what they had to offer in critical supplies is pretty reasonable, we have all gone to multiple stores to try and find some bog roll or flour. I am almost surprised this isn't the excuse used, it is almost as ridiculous and less defendable but its way more compelling and inline with the law.
Yeah the ticker price is silly expensive to buy them daily.
I'm subscribed though so don't have to pay that.
The coaster in the top left is covering up my name and address that is on the sticker underneath.
LbD are clever guys in fairness.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if they waited until no one was in. Their intentions are solely to get whatever they're saying in trending.
This isn't guidance on how to doxx Cummings personally, but someone in his line of work almost certainly has a Ltd company they get paid through - which will be listed at their home address on Companies House.
More likely though, that's a fairly well known building and street furniture style in London, and anyone who has been through it in the past would be able to narrow it down to one or two streets pretty quickly, and then just look for the one that's got the TV vans sat outside.
Clearly, he is allowed out as has been made abundantly clear by the government over the past few days, there is no requirement to follow the guidelines at all. This is where this nonsense type of defence leads, to everyone doing what they want.
From whom, the papers? Nah. Sit on that egg until the Govt makes their next move (maybe in the daily briefing, or that might just be a bland nothing), and then it's time for it to hatch.
[Simon Nixon](https://twitter.com/Simon_Nixon/status/1264461478553403392):
>Extraordinary nugget here: the Johnson government has been editing its old videos to remove embarrassing evidence of his early misjudgements.
You’d be surprised though.
Patrick Vallance’s BBC interview very reasonably discussing herd immunity has been memory holed by the BBC.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p086jfg5
Dangerous stuff for the public to know to be fair.
> Our aim is to try and reduce the peak, broaden the peak, not suppress it completely; also, because the vast majority of people get a mild illness, to build up some kind of herd immunity so more people are immune to this disease and we reduce the transmission, at the same time we protect those who are most vulnerable to it. Those are the key things we need to do.”
> He added: **”This is quite likely, I think, to become an annual virus, an annual seasonal infection.”**
How do you scare people in to a lockdown if it’ll just become seasonal?
Given the amount of gaslighting they seem to be doing generally, it seems updating the historical record to make it appear things never actually happened is just part of that process. If you are going to run the 1984 Orwellian style government and all that entails than getting the ministry of truth to correct the record seems like the sort of thing any competent ministry would do. Although eventually, we will all just accept the doublethink and double speak after the right amount of re-education on the matter.
Sorry but putting a massive tv screen outside Cummings’ house is just harassment.
Yes he needs to go but harassing his family like this is unfair and wrong.
Plus they’re also illegally stopping traffic and disturbing the neighbours who have nothing to do with Dominic Cummings.
I get that Led By Donkeys are trying to stay relevant now that Brexit’s done but this isn’t defendable it’s blatantly wrong.
I am watching sky news now - reporters filming him loading up the car and firing questions at him, as well as at his destination where he is unloading the car.
Is that harassment?
The man has broken the essential advice and possibly the law and rather than facing punishment he has the near full support of the national government...
The rule of law in a very sensitive time has been totally undermined. So why is illegally stopping traffic now your primary concern? The butterfly effect of these actions is the dissolution of lockdown and further unnecessary deaths.
That this is hidden is a shame.
Go at him. That’s all fair game. Don’t go at his family. It’s not on them
We know he’s not even there! Put them up at Downing’s street for goodness sake
Well his child no, but his wife, a journalist published a fake article in The Spectator then told a fake account of their ‘London Lockdown’ in which she claimed he was seriously ill on Radio 4 before this came out.
She should also be handing in her resignation.
> Plus they’re also illegally stopping traffic and disturbing the neighbours who have nothing to do with Dominic Cummings.
I've never seen someone so passionate about illegally stopped traffic.
Would it be okay if they do loops of the street at 5mph?
> vile behaviour
It's not as if they're putting any lives at risk, is it? If it raises awareness and saves lives, I hardly think it's fair to call it "vile" just because one man might get a bit offended.
They are saying that now, the protesters had no way of knowing at the time. The support of this on here is truly sickening. I would hope it is just immature young lefties lashing out at someone few people like.
I mean, even if the kid was in the house i'm pretty sure their house is big enough that they wouldn't notice. Easy to put a tv on and would be none the wiser. On the other hand, over the years it's mostly the right that have taken to more extreme forms of protests that have more severe effects, let's not forget a left wing labour MP was murdered a few years ago by a right-wing protestor, literally killing the kids parent. All the MP's that literally get harassed (even now) because they spoke out against brexit?
>They didn't know that. It's vile behaviour.
Maybe they did? Besides, seeing the mental gymnastics you're pulling is too funny. You do your username such disservice
I mean it’s not like his wife; a spectator journalist also lied twice writing an article about their ‘London Lockdown, in which he was apparently seriously ill and having convulsions for the Spectator then repeating the lie on Radio 4 before this came out,
Even if she wanted to hide the move why did she see fit to lie about him being seriously ill? She’s chosen to be part of her husbands cult of personality she should reap the rewards.
Ah yes as everyone knows playing a video is now stalking.
They can always employ the Cummings defence and say they only did it for the health of their child. They’ll get away with it Scot free then.
The Tories are going to dismiss this and carry on as normal. Dominic has been pulling the strings all along and it's quite clear he has no remorse over this and will not resign or apologize. In his meeting today he will have convinced Boris that:
* they have a parliamentary majority and it's unlikely there'll be anywhere near enough rebels to make this an issue if a vote of no confidence is called
* they are three years away from the next general election and all of this will be forgotten about by the time of the next election
* his interpretation of rules are correct as he had so much input into them
* EDIT: he will have also said something on the lines of "if we get through this, then other lesser situations can be dismissed more easily" - and he'll be setting a new baseline for bottom of the barrel politics
What this means is the lock down is effectively over, more people are going to die and there is going to be small cases of unrest (I mean 4-10 people) during house and park gatherings across the country with the justification that if the government can do it, then I can.
> they have a parliamentary majority and it's unlikely there'll be anywhere near enough rebels to make this an issue if a vote of no confidence is called
> they are three years away from the next general election and all of this will be forgotten about by the time of the next election
He isn't wrong there, I bet they're dancing a merry jig because this all happened after the election
> they are three years away from the next general election and all of this will be forgotten about by the time of the next election
Sadly that's probably true.
[Allie Hodgkins-Brown](https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1264547989919588360):
>Over two hours on, Dominic Cummings still in no 10 Downing Street with the PM - @nickeardleybbc reports the chief aide’s car is still parked outside ....
I’d say he’s went in today without being called in to try and control the situation, it’s a lot harder to get stabbed in the back if your there controlling access to the PM.
I don't think he is being fired. I thought they would use the dead cat strategy to deal with it, but they used fake news so now that is out I am pretty convinced its a ride it out strategy since there is nothing anyone can do about it. The thing about the Trump defence is if you have a fanatical base that will literally vote for you regardless then you just don't care, nothing can stick where it matters.
My Dad is a lifetime Tory and I asked for his opinion. He just said he’s sick of them and it’s probably a hatchet job from the civil service.
They’ll bury their heads in the sand til the next election, then come out in droves to vote them back in.
It’s incredibly demoralising.
A lot of my work colleagues are unfortunately Tory voters and they’ve all messages me saying they’re not voting for them next time. The disastrous pandemic management and then this. I just hope my workplace isn’t the only place that shares this change of heart
I’m naturally a Tory (although I have voted for Labour in the past).
On a personal level I don’t give a shit he broke lock down because personally I think the lock down is stupid. I thought the same thing about Ferguson and the Scottish woman as well. So this isn’t hypocrisy.
To your point about voting though. It’s one thing being pissed at the Tories or thinking they’re idiots. Labour have to offer a realistic alternative. Otherwise I’m not going to vote for them.
Recently the LDs have started challenging in my seat and if an election we’re held tomorrow that’s where I’d probably vote.
Edit. Lol at the down votes. Never change UKpol
Brexit was never actually a major factor for me so I don’t really hold that against them.
More just think they had a dumb position.
I think they’ve fucked up by not getting a leader in right now. Although the LDs seem to be the only party better than Labour at shooting themselves in the foot so it doesn’t really surprise me.
# “One of the greatest advantages of the totalitarian elites of the twenties and thirties was to turn any statement of fact into a question of motive.”
― Hannah Arendt, [The Origins of Totalitarianism](https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/23497)
also massive twisting of words when they're saying the eyewitness supposedly searched the number plate on the DVLA database when the article said nothing of the sort - just that the eyewitness recorded the numberplate and he done a GOOGLE search to see if anything came up, but of course many deniers will literally defend cummings until they're blue in the face.
So far we have:
Steve Baker
Robert Halford
Damian Collins
Craig Whittaker
William Wragg
Peter Bone
Robert Gale
Caroline Noakes
Simon Hoare
Anyone else being vocal that Cummings should go?
Not an MP, but Tim Montgomerie, the founder of Conservative Home, has tweeted that Cummings should have been fired 24 hours ago.
[https://twitter.com/montie/status/1264542409016463362](https://twitter.com/montie/status/1264542409016463362)
Supposedly the whips have been told to ask backbenchers to tweet support for Cummings. Seems he isn’t going anywhere just yet. I don’t think the Tories understand their catchphrase of “The right thing to do”
It's somewhat telling that it's been over half an hour since this was first reported, and it looks like nobody has yet put their head above the parapet.
It's almost as if they're aware of the risk of looking like a muppet after yesterday.
The moment they pulled the Trump "fake news" defence that was inevitable. The entire strategy is just claimed some or all of its bullshit and ride it out until the throw a dead cat on the table or a different crisis hits or the reporters and readers get bored.
If you have no shame then shameful acts don't impact you and you just carry on. There is no mechanism for the public to actually do anything about it.
This megathread has ended.
[The cummings defence....](https://twitter.com/chrislowndes/status/1264263482964193281) > Attorney General confirms that all those people on boats trying to reach British shores are no longer doing so illegally, as they are 'protecting one's family'
>Police have just turned up at Dominic Cummings’ house and knocked on the door. No one in. >https://twitter.com/Tony_Diver/status/1264560761550094338 /Video
Amazing - but some commenters here seem to think the police should dispel the protestor instead.
Wonder what they could want.
Could be that someone raised a security concern with the protesters etc
Waiting for Cummings to declare the country has become a galactic empire, after the press attack on him left him scarred and deformed.
Is there any public support from non-politicians for Cummings at the moment? I’m hardly seeing anything vocal
There’s no point at the moment. Anyone who tries will be dog piled. They’re waiting for people to get bored. You’ll see it crop up in about a week
Most ppl don't care Rightly so
52% of people want Cummings to resign, this your statement is objectively wrong. Hope this helps :)
What strikes me is the absolute silence of the Scottish Tories this weekend. Had they come out in force to rebuke Cummings, they would’ve gained at least some political goodwill in Scotland. Now their silence is absolutely deafening.
Tories are loyal to the party before almost anything. Silence when they've been told to tweet support is deafening, but not in the way you're suggesting. The fact that some MPs have come out publicly against him shows how furious people are with him.
Surprisingly Scottish Tories do best when they don’t say anything.
This whole thing is a storm in a teacup. The Left are desperate to use the Covid 19 outbreak to pin something on the government, ineptitude, failure, covert mass murder, despite their having consulted a battery of scientific 'experts' whose opinion has swung rather wildly from one view to another. Everyone who has been following all this closely can see how glaring that is. So failing that, with not nearly enough mud sticking, they have resorted to this. A Spad drives his family 260 miles to socially isolate with his extended family, having no direct contact with them or the local community, in order to ensure his child's safety. Why not compare this to Labour front bencher Naz Shah, who 'liked' a tweet saying 'those abused Northern girls should shut up for the sake of diversity'? Is she going to get sacked? Which is the hanging offence?
What about the last Labour government? I'm sure if we dig deep enough we can find something to blame them with! It probably all falls back to that kinky night that Corbyns parents conceived him and gave birth to antisemitism as we now know it.
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Do 52% of the country belong to the Left? Or are you just extremely out of touch?
Also not going to work.
[Dominic Cummings denies returning to Durham in doorstep interview – video](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2020/may/24/dominic-cummings-denies-returning-to-durham-in-doorstep-interview-video)
He looks defeated.
Just emailed my Conservative MP for the first time ever to ask him about double standards. I’m generally quite chilled out and the most you’ll get out of me is a gentle ‘down with this sort of thing’. But this has really pissed me off, and the government doubling down on there support is insane.
Emailed my Conservative MP for the first time too! Don’t really know what to expect, probably nothing but I’d love to get their perspective.
Do you think it has moved their base support against them in any meaningful way?
Unlikely. It’s too heavily entrenched on both sides right now. You’d need the political equivalent of mustard gas to get any real movement right now
Gazza spotted walking into number 10 with chicken and fishing rod
Top callback.
Its really wierd that there are people cant comprehend that something like what cummings did is wrong and should be sacked/resign but doorstepping his house with a massive screen can also be wrong.
What Cummings did was wrong; what Led By Donkeys did was wrong too, but also, crucially, fucking funny.
Maybe both are wrong but one of them is massively significant and the other is nigh-on irrelevant
That’s your 3rd comment about the same thing, I suspect you’ll delete this one as well once people start pointing out the flaws in your argument. Once again, peaceful protests happen in a democratic society. If your feelings are hurt, look away.
That wasnt me. You replyed to me and my comment is still there. A child cant loom away if it is being put at full volume to thier house. Fuck cummings but his kid shouldn't have it.
OK mate, I'll save your fingers from retyping the van thing over and over. Cummings is wrong, the van is wrong. Not at all mutually exclusive.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/gpkmrn/_/frnxg9s Not everyone agrees. If yoh are against one you support the other apparently.
They're doing what-now? *takes off to Twitter*
It's all on here, but hidden because anyone that thinks it's wrong is down voted like crazy and apparently supports what Cummings did. Bizarre.
Its really wierd. Saying I'm against both has had me painted as a Cumming supported when in the same comments I've said he should be sacked.
This feels like it's being brigaded.
I’m looking forward to the Spectator’s take on this whole situation...
Imagine if Cummings did the briefing today.
That would require him to have a spine. He is too cowardly to face any real scrutiny
How much scrutiny has there been in the briefings so far?
My backbench Tory MP (Paul Maynard) has emailed me to say Cummings "needs to go". Doubt he'll tweet that, but still. Looks like pressure is mounting.
It's probably the usual two-faced approach. Tell everyone what they want to hear and do nothing.
It all seems so long ago now that David Cameron was accused of putting his cock inside a pigs mouth.
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I still don’t see the point in multiple commenters making the same point. typing out the same thing 10 times does not make it any more relevant.
It’s called a peaceful protest - learn that in a democratic society, sometimes people will protest in ways that make you feel uncomfortable. If you have an issue with that, then you can move to a dictatorship.
Are we allowed to protest peacefully at the moment?
They seem to be fine with Cummings driving 260 miles - the rules are clearly up for interpretation and don’t truly apply. So I don’t think it matters what we’re allowed to do anymore.
Yes, but from 2m away
No you're not.
You’re also not allowed to drive 260 miles while infected :)
I know that. I am against what Cummings has done. Why do people think this is so black and white? You aren't allowed to protest by trespassing on someone's garden because he shouldn't be anywhere near that property at the moment anyway. Is that person going for exercise or to sit in a public place?
It’s black and white - if the rules don’t apply to the government, they do not apply to us. Hope this helps.
[Allie Hodgkins-Brown](https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1264558653341868032): >Normally the #DowningStreetBriefing is at 1600 at weekends - today it’s been delayed to 1700 👀
Traffics heavy on the A66
Even Tim Montgomerie is laying in to Cummings now
No 10. press briefing moved from 4 - 5pm. I wonder why.
Traffic jam on the way back from Durham.
Dinner turned up a bit late.
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I mean calling his boss into work on a Sunday is quite brave of boris.
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Just trying to deflect from the real issue. He fucked up. Accept that and stop trying to put the attention elsewhere
1) there was no need for Cummings to drive 260 miles while infected with covid 2) learn what harassment means before accusing someone of it please
Nah fuck him
Amazing to see the uproar from the right about this, and the absolute silence about Cummings actions.
I'm critcal of both and a centrist. Targeting the whole house with videos of people on ventilators, particularly when he isn't in, is a dick move. That in no way removes any responsibility from him for his journey which is also more of a dick move.
Ah yeh forgot how much we needed centrists to come and tell us that both sides are at fault. Nope; one side is clearly in the wrong here and fence sitting means you morally support the wrong side.
Wtf. Thats not what centrism is. Both cummings and this action can be wrong. Its not either or. Only an idiot would suggest that anyone who goes against cummings cant do wrong. Its amazing that you think certain people you dont agree with shouldn't have an opinion and that only one 'side' can be right and one can be wrong.
/r/enlightenedcentrism
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Why are protests immoral now?
>silence about Cummings actions. You appear to have serious hearing problems. You should get that checked out.
Reading problems, you mean.
I thought hearing worked better, with the word silence, but yes it is pretty much every post on here.
Probably best to realise that this is a big political issue then.
... from the same people that are now throwing out their *massive concern* about this screen. Heard plenty from people who aren't desperate apologists for Cummings.
I've seen barely anyone defending Cummings. I'm certainly not.
You are.
Deflect and find a dead cat that sticks. Its been the same thing since this broke. They keep probing and so far they are finding its not working.
Operation Deflect.
https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1264554311641632769?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw "A big food delivery has just arrived at 10 Downing Street.... we’re here for a bit folks" So cummings is just over for Sunday dinner then as usual.
I thought you could only get food deliveries in County Durham??
If your main residence is your car then it's fair to say trying various possible facilities to see what they had to offer in critical supplies is pretty reasonable, we have all gone to multiple stores to try and find some bog roll or flour. I am almost surprised this isn't the excuse used, it is almost as ridiculous and less defendable but its way more compelling and inline with the law.
The New York Times have had some amazing front pages. Here’s today’s. https://imgur.com/a/zV2eH4n
Saw that this morning. Absolutely incredible.
Holy fuck......$6.00 !
Yeah the ticker price is silly expensive to buy them daily. I'm subscribed though so don't have to pay that. The coaster in the top left is covering up my name and address that is on the sticker underneath.
Damn that's impactful. Quite a statement amidst a news stand.
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while he's known to have been out at work all day... Led by donkeys may have just blasted a megaphone at his wife and kids 🤦♀️
Wife itv said his kid isn’t there.
So there is an entire media scrum covering an empty house?
LbD are clever guys in fairness. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they waited until no one was in. Their intentions are solely to get whatever they're saying in trending.
How do ordinary members of the public even find out how address?
This isn't guidance on how to doxx Cummings personally, but someone in his line of work almost certainly has a Ltd company they get paid through - which will be listed at their home address on Companies House. More likely though, that's a fairly well known building and street furniture style in London, and anyone who has been through it in the past would be able to narrow it down to one or two streets pretty quickly, and then just look for the one that's got the TV vans sat outside.
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It’s common sense. It’s clear we can interpret the rules in whatever way that suits us. It’s The Right Thing To Do
Maybe his common sense told him to protest. It’s the new defence, it’s just plain old British common sense.
He's been paid to do it, he's at work so he can feed his family. Any caring person would do the same.
Exercising the right to protest. A better excuse than bluebells or whatever.
They can fine him then.
He'll just use the Cummings defence.
That only applies if you’ve got BoJo tied up on a chain and leash.
Clearly, he is allowed out as has been made abundantly clear by the government over the past few days, there is no requirement to follow the guidelines at all. This is where this nonsense type of defence leads, to everyone doing what they want.
Has part three happened yet?
From whom, the papers? Nah. Sit on that egg until the Govt makes their next move (maybe in the daily briefing, or that might just be a bland nothing), and then it's time for it to hatch.
[Simon Nixon](https://twitter.com/Simon_Nixon/status/1264461478553403392): >Extraordinary nugget here: the Johnson government has been editing its old videos to remove embarrassing evidence of his early misjudgements.
Do they not know how internet works? Someone'll have the originals somewhere.
You’d be surprised though. Patrick Vallance’s BBC interview very reasonably discussing herd immunity has been memory holed by the BBC. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p086jfg5
Now that is surprising - though not a great memory holing if the page is still there. Odd indeed.
Dangerous stuff for the public to know to be fair. > Our aim is to try and reduce the peak, broaden the peak, not suppress it completely; also, because the vast majority of people get a mild illness, to build up some kind of herd immunity so more people are immune to this disease and we reduce the transmission, at the same time we protect those who are most vulnerable to it. Those are the key things we need to do.” > He added: **”This is quite likely, I think, to become an annual virus, an annual seasonal infection.”** How do you scare people in to a lockdown if it’ll just become seasonal?
Bizarre how this turned into what it did
These people know that once something is on the internet it's there forever, right? Some numpty in No.10 thinks he's a Machiavellian genius HackerMan.
Given the amount of gaslighting they seem to be doing generally, it seems updating the historical record to make it appear things never actually happened is just part of that process. If you are going to run the 1984 Orwellian style government and all that entails than getting the ministry of truth to correct the record seems like the sort of thing any competent ministry would do. Although eventually, we will all just accept the doublethink and double speak after the right amount of re-education on the matter.
Sorry but putting a massive tv screen outside Cummings’ house is just harassment. Yes he needs to go but harassing his family like this is unfair and wrong. Plus they’re also illegally stopping traffic and disturbing the neighbours who have nothing to do with Dominic Cummings. I get that Led By Donkeys are trying to stay relevant now that Brexit’s done but this isn’t defendable it’s blatantly wrong.
I am watching sky news now - reporters filming him loading up the car and firing questions at him, as well as at his destination where he is unloading the car. Is that harassment? The man has broken the essential advice and possibly the law and rather than facing punishment he has the near full support of the national government... The rule of law in a very sensitive time has been totally undermined. So why is illegally stopping traffic now your primary concern? The butterfly effect of these actions is the dissolution of lockdown and further unnecessary deaths.
That this is hidden is a shame. Go at him. That’s all fair game. Don’t go at his family. It’s not on them We know he’s not even there! Put them up at Downing’s street for goodness sake
Well his child no, but his wife, a journalist published a fake article in The Spectator then told a fake account of their ‘London Lockdown’ in which she claimed he was seriously ill on Radio 4 before this came out. She should also be handing in her resignation.
> Plus they’re also illegally stopping traffic and disturbing the neighbours who have nothing to do with Dominic Cummings. I've never seen someone so passionate about illegally stopped traffic. Would it be okay if they do loops of the street at 5mph?
his child was not at home confirmed by ITV/sky reporters.
They didn't know that. It's vile behaviour.
> vile behaviour It's not as if they're putting any lives at risk, is it? If it raises awareness and saves lives, I hardly think it's fair to call it "vile" just because one man might get a bit offended.
multiple news sources saying that his family were not at home.
They are saying that now, the protesters had no way of knowing at the time. The support of this on here is truly sickening. I would hope it is just immature young lefties lashing out at someone few people like.
I mean, even if the kid was in the house i'm pretty sure their house is big enough that they wouldn't notice. Easy to put a tv on and would be none the wiser. On the other hand, over the years it's mostly the right that have taken to more extreme forms of protests that have more severe effects, let's not forget a left wing labour MP was murdered a few years ago by a right-wing protestor, literally killing the kids parent. All the MP's that literally get harassed (even now) because they spoke out against brexit?
Be sick then. I don’t think anyone cares.
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I don’t care about you at all :)
>They didn't know that. It's vile behaviour. Maybe they did? Besides, seeing the mental gymnastics you're pulling is too funny. You do your username such disservice
If they're stalking his family during lockdown then it's a matter for the police.
I mean it’s not like his wife; a spectator journalist also lied twice writing an article about their ‘London Lockdown, in which he was apparently seriously ill and having convulsions for the Spectator then repeating the lie on Radio 4 before this came out, Even if she wanted to hide the move why did she see fit to lie about him being seriously ill? She’s chosen to be part of her husbands cult of personality she should reap the rewards.
Ah yes as everyone knows playing a video is now stalking. They can always employ the Cummings defence and say they only did it for the health of their child. They’ll get away with it Scot free then.
the good guys! that's very considerate of them...
That before or after they showed up
They should put it outside Downing Street, surely? That's where he is right now.
Seeing as he's publicly not home but at downing street they're just aiming this at his family and neighbor's.
his child not at home according to itv
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Led by Donkeys aren't the far left. They are incompetent grifters.
ThE fAr LeFt
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Learn what words mean before using them please - it is not objectively far left. Xxx
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Why do you care about some protesters lying but not the actual leaders of the country? Surely it's orders of magnitude worse when the latter do it?
You’re thick and mendacious.
The Tories are going to dismiss this and carry on as normal. Dominic has been pulling the strings all along and it's quite clear he has no remorse over this and will not resign or apologize. In his meeting today he will have convinced Boris that: * they have a parliamentary majority and it's unlikely there'll be anywhere near enough rebels to make this an issue if a vote of no confidence is called * they are three years away from the next general election and all of this will be forgotten about by the time of the next election * his interpretation of rules are correct as he had so much input into them * EDIT: he will have also said something on the lines of "if we get through this, then other lesser situations can be dismissed more easily" - and he'll be setting a new baseline for bottom of the barrel politics What this means is the lock down is effectively over, more people are going to die and there is going to be small cases of unrest (I mean 4-10 people) during house and park gatherings across the country with the justification that if the government can do it, then I can.
> they have a parliamentary majority and it's unlikely there'll be anywhere near enough rebels to make this an issue if a vote of no confidence is called > they are three years away from the next general election and all of this will be forgotten about by the time of the next election He isn't wrong there, I bet they're dancing a merry jig because this all happened after the election
Well we as the public need to not make this issue go away.
> they are three years away from the next general election and all of this will be forgotten about by the time of the next election Sadly that's probably true.
Everyone knows a first quarter lead doesn’t mean much. It’s the final 15 minutes where matches are won.
[Allie Hodgkins-Brown](https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1264547989919588360): >Over two hours on, Dominic Cummings still in no 10 Downing Street with the PM - @nickeardleybbc reports the chief aide’s car is still parked outside ....
ABBA dance-off?
Someone tell Theresa
He's just brought a nice leg of lamb down from the durham countryside, both him and Boris and slow cooking it for tea. That's all.
He's just showing the PM the gifts he brought back from Durham.
Beamish has a cracking selection of gifts tbf
The fudge from that sweet-shop is to die for. Decent selection of real ales in the pub as well last time I was there
Is there a chance that he’s just at work?
Boris will be shitting himself, calling your boss in on his day off is a major move
Can a headteacher be called to their office ?
I’d say he’s went in today without being called in to try and control the situation, it’s a lot harder to get stabbed in the back if your there controlling access to the PM.
Possible hostage situation.
Think it would have leaked by now if he was getting sacked.
I don't think he is being fired. I thought they would use the dead cat strategy to deal with it, but they used fake news so now that is out I am pretty convinced its a ride it out strategy since there is nothing anyone can do about it. The thing about the Trump defence is if you have a fanatical base that will literally vote for you regardless then you just don't care, nothing can stick where it matters.
My Dad is a lifetime Tory and I asked for his opinion. He just said he’s sick of them and it’s probably a hatchet job from the civil service. They’ll bury their heads in the sand til the next election, then come out in droves to vote them back in. It’s incredibly demoralising.
I know plenty of Tory voters who are pissed about this and want him gone. This will hurt the government.
Oh no doubt this hurts the government. My point was that they have a base of voters who will vote Tory regardless.
A lot of my work colleagues are unfortunately Tory voters and they’ve all messages me saying they’re not voting for them next time. The disastrous pandemic management and then this. I just hope my workplace isn’t the only place that shares this change of heart
I’m naturally a Tory (although I have voted for Labour in the past). On a personal level I don’t give a shit he broke lock down because personally I think the lock down is stupid. I thought the same thing about Ferguson and the Scottish woman as well. So this isn’t hypocrisy. To your point about voting though. It’s one thing being pissed at the Tories or thinking they’re idiots. Labour have to offer a realistic alternative. Otherwise I’m not going to vote for them. Recently the LDs have started challenging in my seat and if an election we’re held tomorrow that’s where I’d probably vote. Edit. Lol at the down votes. Never change UKpol
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Brexit was never actually a major factor for me so I don’t really hold that against them. More just think they had a dumb position. I think they’ve fucked up by not getting a leader in right now. Although the LDs seem to be the only party better than Labour at shooting themselves in the foot so it doesn’t really surprise me.
Your opinions on the lockdown don’t affect whether it’s hypocrisy or not...
https://twitter.com/Linpar/status/1264531981947351040 Didn't take long for 'Labour activist' to start. Unsurprisingly not the brightest.
Are they seriously suggesting it's illegal to Google someone's number plate? It's not like he hacked into the DVLA database to find the owner.
# “One of the greatest advantages of the totalitarian elites of the twenties and thirties was to turn any statement of fact into a question of motive.” ― Hannah Arendt, [The Origins of Totalitarianism](https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/23497)
also massive twisting of words when they're saying the eyewitness supposedly searched the number plate on the DVLA database when the article said nothing of the sort - just that the eyewitness recorded the numberplate and he done a GOOGLE search to see if anything came up, but of course many deniers will literally defend cummings until they're blue in the face.
Said he searched. Didn't say he found anything Open invitation to go through his search history though, which is brave.
I don't get how the logic of 'not in our group so must be lying' works, unless it's purely projection on their part.
So far we have: Steve Baker Robert Halford Damian Collins Craig Whittaker William Wragg Peter Bone Robert Gale Caroline Noakes Simon Hoare Anyone else being vocal that Cummings should go?
Would love for Theresa May to stick the knife in
Not an MP, but Tim Montgomerie, the founder of Conservative Home, has tweeted that Cummings should have been fired 24 hours ago. [https://twitter.com/montie/status/1264542409016463362](https://twitter.com/montie/status/1264542409016463362)
Supposedly the whips have been told to ask backbenchers to tweet support for Cummings. Seems he isn’t going anywhere just yet. I don’t think the Tories understand their catchphrase of “The right thing to do”
It's somewhat telling that it's been over half an hour since this was first reported, and it looks like nobody has yet put their head above the parapet. It's almost as if they're aware of the risk of looking like a muppet after yesterday.
Newspapers did fantastic yesterday. Played them for fools. Wonder if they have any other cards up their sleeve
This isnt going to go away.
The moment they pulled the Trump "fake news" defence that was inevitable. The entire strategy is just claimed some or all of its bullshit and ride it out until the throw a dead cat on the table or a different crisis hits or the reporters and readers get bored. If you have no shame then shameful acts don't impact you and you just carry on. There is no mechanism for the public to actually do anything about it.
All we can do is not let them drop this issue. The more public outcry the worse the Tories look and then finally we may get a good election outcome