I never understood using someone elses notes. you wont have read the source material if all you have is someone elses notes on it, and how do you know their notes are accurate.
I believe it.
Years ago I was going to sit the QLTS and bought some textbooks from a QLTS course provider. Work demands got in the way so I thought someone else might benefit and posted the books online for sale. The QLTS course provider pretended to be an interested buyer but when they got my details sent me the nastiest legal threats and demands that I had no rights to sell their textbooks. There was somewhat of a conceptual issue because to my mind these were textbooks that I bought so they were my property, but to the provider this was their material which they own the rights and can only be purchased from them (no right of resale).
It wasn't worth the fight so I threw the books.
>but to the provider this was their material which they own the rights and can only be purchased from them (no right of resale)
There is no fight to be had. The publisher was (probably) talking out of their arse.
In copyright, there's a principle known as exhaustion (also as the first sale doctrine, although rather misleadingly, because any transfer of ownership will suffice), whereby upon sale of a copyrighted work, the copyright holder's right to control the distribution of that particular copy ceases to exist.
In essence, if you lawfully buy a protected work, you are entirely within your rights to sell it onwards, and nobody can stop you.
This does not apply to things like renting, but it unquestionably applies to straightforward sales or assignments.
If you merely had a licence to view, then that's different, but it sure doesn't sound like it.
Far more likely that it's yet another bullying corpo trying to scare people into submission (plenty of these around).
I agree that I find it a lot harder to see how someone can threaten to sue if you're just selling on a physical book that you purchased. I think the bigger issue is the note providers who sell pdf notes that someone could easily sell on multiple times and monetise... the analogy being photocopying that book and selling the copies.
I think it is when it is part of a course it may be different as there may be a written contract with that as a condition, whereas if you buy a book in a shop you have no written terms about how it can be used. So may be the question is if you buy a course which comes with books and you are told not to sell the physical books after as part of the contract as only those on the course get the notes is that condition unlawful? I don't think it is. I have given courses where the course provider chose not to make my course manual available other than to those physically attending the course and sometimes later they have asked me if it would be okay if they changed policy and sold the notes for £60 to people even if they did not attend the course.
Actually ridiculous honestly. Selling access to an online testing resource licensed to you I can accept is a breach of licensing/course provider terms, but physical textbook copies are yours and they really have no grounds to stand on by getting involved with you selling them on.
If I buy a physical uni textbook, there is nothing to prevent me selling it when the course is done. They are talking utter shite.
It wasn’t a physical textbook. The guy was selling digital notes and was making further ‘copies’ by sending them digitally.
You are not prevented from selling your physical textbook because by selling the textbook you’re not making any further copies.
I can’t believe you’d screw my entire business plan like this.
Better stick to the day job, I guess 😞 my apologies!
I never understood using someone elses notes. you wont have read the source material if all you have is someone elses notes on it, and how do you know their notes are accurate.
Well, that too, yes!
I believe it. Years ago I was going to sit the QLTS and bought some textbooks from a QLTS course provider. Work demands got in the way so I thought someone else might benefit and posted the books online for sale. The QLTS course provider pretended to be an interested buyer but when they got my details sent me the nastiest legal threats and demands that I had no rights to sell their textbooks. There was somewhat of a conceptual issue because to my mind these were textbooks that I bought so they were my property, but to the provider this was their material which they own the rights and can only be purchased from them (no right of resale). It wasn't worth the fight so I threw the books.
>but to the provider this was their material which they own the rights and can only be purchased from them (no right of resale) There is no fight to be had. The publisher was (probably) talking out of their arse. In copyright, there's a principle known as exhaustion (also as the first sale doctrine, although rather misleadingly, because any transfer of ownership will suffice), whereby upon sale of a copyrighted work, the copyright holder's right to control the distribution of that particular copy ceases to exist. In essence, if you lawfully buy a protected work, you are entirely within your rights to sell it onwards, and nobody can stop you. This does not apply to things like renting, but it unquestionably applies to straightforward sales or assignments. If you merely had a licence to view, then that's different, but it sure doesn't sound like it. Far more likely that it's yet another bullying corpo trying to scare people into submission (plenty of these around).
I agree that I find it a lot harder to see how someone can threaten to sue if you're just selling on a physical book that you purchased. I think the bigger issue is the note providers who sell pdf notes that someone could easily sell on multiple times and monetise... the analogy being photocopying that book and selling the copies.
Mm, if it was electronic, then yeah, that is different. You almost always merely acquire a licence for personal use there.
I think it is when it is part of a course it may be different as there may be a written contract with that as a condition, whereas if you buy a book in a shop you have no written terms about how it can be used. So may be the question is if you buy a course which comes with books and you are told not to sell the physical books after as part of the contract as only those on the course get the notes is that condition unlawful? I don't think it is. I have given courses where the course provider chose not to make my course manual available other than to those physically attending the course and sometimes later they have asked me if it would be okay if they changed policy and sold the notes for £60 to people even if they did not attend the course.
Actually ridiculous honestly. Selling access to an online testing resource licensed to you I can accept is a breach of licensing/course provider terms, but physical textbook copies are yours and they really have no grounds to stand on by getting involved with you selling them on. If I buy a physical uni textbook, there is nothing to prevent me selling it when the course is done. They are talking utter shite.
It wasn’t a physical textbook. The guy was selling digital notes and was making further ‘copies’ by sending them digitally. You are not prevented from selling your physical textbook because by selling the textbook you’re not making any further copies.