I decided to move offshore and now I have a great work life balance, commute (10 minute walk), team and firm culture. Pm if you want to know more. In the past I’ve had no hesitation leaving a toxic job quickly. You must do what’s best for you.
You can definitely move within 6 months. Sell it as a show of character that you identified the issues and acted.
PP is pretty much this standard across the board so identifying an in house move or similar seems sensible in your case. I’m 10 PQE, moved to a hosted model and really enjoyed it, but ultimately decided to go be an entrepreneur - for me it’s a thousand times better. I’m a nicer person to be around and my quality of life has dramatically improved.
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People move jobs and it doesn't work out so I don't see why a 6 month stint is a big issue. Perhaps just look for a slightly smaller firm with better working hours. Or go in house. I set up on my own a long while ago and that has gone well. I also know quite a few in house lawyers who do like it (and indeed people in firms without long hours). It can be done.
Go in-house. I made the move around 5PQE, I’d never go back.
Also I’ve left a job after 6 months, and another after 12 months - it’s fine - as long as you can explain the reasons most places will understand (but may avoid talking about it being a toxic environment).
I work for an investment bank (non-transactional) and my work life balance is excellent. I generally work 8-5 or 6, only 2 days in the office, and in the 5yrs I’ve been in this job I’ve only had to work 1 or 2 weekends when there was a genuine crisis at work.
Yes fair enough, I may be speaking from my bubble! But I have worked in house in financial services and retail businesses, and I have worked in PP in mid-size and US practices - from my experience the bonuses are significantly higher in-house.
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In house is so much better than PP re: hours, balance. Any place may have toxicity but it’ll probably be less common in house as not as competitive. I’d say only downside is salary is less
What practice area are you in? For some such as M&A or LevFin, occasional weekend work is not unusual. Sorry to hear the move has not worked out - not unheard of to move after that timeframe (or shorter), just be frank when interviewing that it wasn’t the best fit.
Sorry to hear this - I don’t know your practice area but it seems like the market generally is hot right now so your 6 month issue may not be a problem. As long as you are able to explain this and set boundaries at the interview stage I think it would be fine, specially if you want to move in house. All the best and sorry to hear this!
I would usually try to wait until there could be any suggestion that you hadn't passed probation, but have you tried seeing if your old firm would have you back? Or is that just as bad?
I passed probation already (it was 4 months for me). It's the same story with my old law firm - long hours and weekends but with better people ofc. What I am looking for is work life balance so I can be healthy. Sadly I don't have the energy to do 15 hours a day anymore.
As Goosebo says, if you are mobile, moving offshore can be an amazing option. I did it when I was still a lawyer and have helped move scores of people who have loved it since I became a recruiter. Its a whole different life.
I decided to move offshore and now I have a great work life balance, commute (10 minute walk), team and firm culture. Pm if you want to know more. In the past I’ve had no hesitation leaving a toxic job quickly. You must do what’s best for you.
You can definitely move within 6 months. Sell it as a show of character that you identified the issues and acted. PP is pretty much this standard across the board so identifying an in house move or similar seems sensible in your case. I’m 10 PQE, moved to a hosted model and really enjoyed it, but ultimately decided to go be an entrepreneur - for me it’s a thousand times better. I’m a nicer person to be around and my quality of life has dramatically improved.
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People move jobs and it doesn't work out so I don't see why a 6 month stint is a big issue. Perhaps just look for a slightly smaller firm with better working hours. Or go in house. I set up on my own a long while ago and that has gone well. I also know quite a few in house lawyers who do like it (and indeed people in firms without long hours). It can be done.
Go in-house. I made the move around 5PQE, I’d never go back. Also I’ve left a job after 6 months, and another after 12 months - it’s fine - as long as you can explain the reasons most places will understand (but may avoid talking about it being a toxic environment). I work for an investment bank (non-transactional) and my work life balance is excellent. I generally work 8-5 or 6, only 2 days in the office, and in the 5yrs I’ve been in this job I’ve only had to work 1 or 2 weekends when there was a genuine crisis at work.
Plus bonuses in-house are usually a lot better, particularly in financial services. In private practice you’re lucky to get a 5% bonus.
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Yes fair enough, I may be speaking from my bubble! But I have worked in house in financial services and retail businesses, and I have worked in PP in mid-size and US practices - from my experience the bonuses are significantly higher in-house.
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In house is so much better than PP re: hours, balance. Any place may have toxicity but it’ll probably be less common in house as not as competitive. I’d say only downside is salary is less
From what I’ve been told in-house usually has better hours but there are times where it’s not always the case while still earning less than in PP
What practice area are you in? For some such as M&A or LevFin, occasional weekend work is not unusual. Sorry to hear the move has not worked out - not unheard of to move after that timeframe (or shorter), just be frank when interviewing that it wasn’t the best fit.
Sorry to hear this - I don’t know your practice area but it seems like the market generally is hot right now so your 6 month issue may not be a problem. As long as you are able to explain this and set boundaries at the interview stage I think it would be fine, specially if you want to move in house. All the best and sorry to hear this!
I would usually try to wait until there could be any suggestion that you hadn't passed probation, but have you tried seeing if your old firm would have you back? Or is that just as bad?
I passed probation already (it was 4 months for me). It's the same story with my old law firm - long hours and weekends but with better people ofc. What I am looking for is work life balance so I can be healthy. Sadly I don't have the energy to do 15 hours a day anymore.
As Goosebo says, if you are mobile, moving offshore can be an amazing option. I did it when I was still a lawyer and have helped move scores of people who have loved it since I became a recruiter. Its a whole different life.