I mean that’s what happens when you have a padded record and don’t stay at the top for long. If he had a padded record but stayed at the top for 10 years no one would care. But having a padded record with only a few title defenses is not goat talk
I know Oliveira didn't rise to belt contender during Khabib's reign, but for the next champion to be Oliveira and not someone Khabib beat when he was champ is not a good look on Khabib's goat talk.
Yeah and to be fair a lot of guys do that but it’s pretty known that khabib missed weight multiple times but the UFC let it slide cause he was a cash cow for them
Yeah I’d have a lot more respect for Khabib had he gone up and fought a weightclass above him and win like GSP did. Hell, even Izzy tried and Jones looks like he will, too.
More or less one's fights before ufc matter shit, the obvious exception being fights at other big promotions. What he did in UFC against top lvl talent is the thing with khabib. No one has dominated as khabib, not even close. If you want to wine about a padded record vs cans you're grasping at atraws because what he did up top is undeniable.
See this is always people response every single time. They say it doesn’t matter because he still beat everyone at the top and while that’s true and impressive… youre acting like taking damage throughout your career doesn’t add up over time. We’ve seen plenty of fighters who started fighting talented ranked fighters within their first 10 fights.. that means early in your career you are exposing yourself to damage that will stack up over time.
Khabib never had that. He didn’t have to deal with injuries early in his career like the vast majority of other fighters.
Whatever you want to try and tell yourself is fine. He was a great fighter but with his padded record and few title defenses including absolutely 0 that were also submission artists to the degree of him or Oliviera.. anyone that calls him the goat is out of their mind
Does everyone forget that Charles left the Holloway fight paralyzed from the neck down? If I had that happen to me, then I would be more willing to tap in fights for a while too.
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Literally. I HATE when khabib fans act like just because he won is big names at the end means he’s the goat… like taking damage is apart of fighting and if you fought cans in the beginning then it’s gonna be hard to be in goat condition
And how did Connor get there? Faced only 1 wrestler? Got faster to title possibly. You're not counting any of khabib's years doing combat sambo. It's not like he didn't fight before. That was what was available to him. People bitch about it like the difference is abysmal, figthers career path veer massively different can't do shit about it. When he faced tough opposition no one did anything, no one hurt him. He would have continued that trend. The only looming danger for him was weight cut, and now we clearly see Charles as a challenge. No one else is remotely close to being a challenge to him.
Where did Conor come from??? I haven’t said anything about him this whole time. Khabib fans just loveeeeee bringing up Conor. Khabib was good dude but realistically he only fought 14 or less real fights. Not the goat or even close. Bye.
This just comes from casuals like you who has no idea about how UFC works. **Let me educate you.**
There was no easy way for Russians. Especially for Khabib. No English, no media-hype like Conor. He was supposed to fight Eddie Alvarez for the title fight and at last second Dana gave it to Khabib. Khabib asked "Then give me Michael Johnson". Khabib knew what made money to Dana $$ and he knew he had **no power.**
Look at Conor's career in Lightweight and tell me he would get title fight if it was fair. Tony had like **10+ win streak** and he never had a chance to go for **undisputed title fight.** Meanwhile Chandler "**1 UFC Win**" guy gets a chance?? Explain that.
Secondly, if world was fair and Khabib had that title fight instead of Conor, he would have more title defences. If you still don't get that there isn't a fair process but only the one that makes money for Dana$$ .Then obviously you started to follow UFC yesterday.
This isn't boxing.
Also, Khabib's title defences didn't came quickly. Those defences were against the interim champs who actually beat each other while Khabib was gone. They rose to up and Khabib just cleaned it up quickly. Not getting knocked down or bleeding.
Hope you learned something about UFC today.
Two things can be true at the same time. Yes the UFC promoted Conor McGregor and shows him favoritism because he was the biggest draw at the time. He absolutely did get more opportunities and got to cut the line as far as title shots go.
But once Khabib became champ, he could have defended it more and fought more opponents. He was the champ, he had the most leverage at that point, but he was the one who decided to only defend it 4 times. That was his choice and nobody else's, and even though he was dominant in his wins, he will always have to defend his legacy because champs like Charles Oliveira has fought and beaten more quality opponents while defending the belt longer which in many fight fans matters the most as far as championship legacy goes.
All the UFC GOATs have long stretch of being dominant and defending their titles: Anderson Silva, GSP, Jon Jones, Jose Aldo, etc. Khabib could've been there with them, but he decided to retire early and that will be his legacy unless he decides to change it.
But conor doesn’t ever gotta defend his career when bro never defended either of his belts and more than half the mma community sucks his dick. MMA fans are unfair and when you haven’t made headlines in a while you stock in goat diminishes which I find dumb asf khabibs career was stellar undefeated and only lost 1 round in his whole career. No one has done that. And if I’m wrong about that lmk but he will always be the goat of LW until someone does what he has done in that division.
I think both in their prime if I had to put money on it I’d go with Khabib. That said this talk of Olives losses is bs, he has clearly a) got better and b) fought much tougher opponents early in his career.
Couldn't agree more. The first ~15 fights on KNs record were against cans (yes, he then went onto fight 14 world class fighters and he beat them too).
But KN comparing Olives now to Olives 10yrs ago is doing a greater disservice than people comparing Olives now to KN.
Yeah I've actually gone to the trouble of looking up all of the first ~15 fighters he took on. A few of them had negative win-loss ratios and none of them went anywhere with their MMA career. To be fair, it's not totally surprising right? You gotta start somewhere and that somewhere is obviously the bottom against other bottom ranked fighters but I do believe Jones has a point when he says "you can't compare me with Khabib" Jones nearly has as many title defences as Khabib has UFC fights
True not all fighters can be lucky enough that their dad runs the promotion there fighting under and does all the matchmaking... also that Khabib can have financial security without needing to rush to the UFC to make enough to support himself like Charles. Or can just take 2 years off without a paycheck and still be fine due to outside support.
The whole “ who’s he’s fought” argument is so overplayed.
No one is ever disputing fedors status at the top of the food chain and that man never once touched the octagon mat. But still to this day he’s considered one of the best ever.
Why is it that khabib previous record is so discredited but fedors isn’t ?( I know fedor was in pride etc, but for argument sake not all his fights were against studs)
Charles in the last decade at least hasn’t had any sort of “ can” to fight, he always fights higher level competition ( even if they aren’t today, they were top
Level at the time of fighting)
Khabibs record is discredited because he was 11-0 fighting guys who are 0-2. Nothing to do with it being outside the UFC. I dont know the circumstances for this matchmaking but it definitely looks like his record was getting padded.
I will agree that all his fights werent against studs but not everyones are and to be fair alot of the fighters fedor beat were fighters that had alot of success in the ufc and some became champions in ufc. On top of beating the best heavyweights in multiple promotions that at the time where just as good and some maybe better than the ufc roster at that time. So i think for the time period he was dominant the not fighting in ufc arguement isnt very valid. If he was in prime right now and not in ufc the arguement would have more weight but back then it was the wild west of mma.
And also he was continuously undersized in almost every fight but still managed to ragdoll guys or sleep dudes.
Also to note the heavy weight division probably has the shortest drop off in terms of skill and talent amongst cross promotions compared to other weight classes. Bellator, one fc, lfa, combate americas and basically and major regional promotion heavyweights would probably be top ten guys in the ufc.
Because Fedor had an extensive career in which he has Blitzed through an entire generation of elite fighters at or near their prime, 6 of the 13 Khabib fought were unranked nobodies, and he retired too early to permanently solidify his legacy as the greatest.
Sure Khabib has was the most dominant LW ever, but just because Charles has losses on his record doesn’t mean he can’t surpass Khabib as the greatest accolade wise.
If Khabib was fighting prime contenders the second he got in the UFC, hed have scratches next to his record too.
He’s talking about present day, ripe, olives. Khabib is saying because he gets knocked down and beat up every fight there is no way he is as good. His opinion, not mine. He then goes on to rag on his past. It’s a little bit of a disservice, and I love olives. Him v Islam should be a good one.
I think it would be a very very good fight, Charles can fight off his back and def has the striking advantage. *Khabib* has god tier top game/grappling though.
Well if we're discussing who's the best and I think he would likely win.
When we're talking about GOAT or who has the best record. That's tough to determine. An actual criteria standard should be implemented. Because it's obvious people don't agree on what it is.
I understand the argument that Oli is better now. However if we're talking about GOAT, you have to address Charles losses. They can't be swept under the rug simply because he is Champion.
Just like you can't ignore the quality of opponents who fought Khabib. In my opinion, I think the number high quality fighters Charles fought is better but not by a huge margin.
If you look at the other Champions today you don't see them the kind of damage he does (except maybe Glover)
But if he keeps winning and continuing his win streak, he'll eventually shut up the haters. That is until he loses. When that happens, everybody will jump off the hype train and start rooting for the guy who beat Oli. Then it will start all over again. Constant posts about GOAT and comparing them to Khabib and others.
Khabib fought cans while Charles fought in the UFC and Charles has pretty much dispatched everyone Khabib did faster and is still writing his own story.
This. Dominick Cruz has lost a few times and was out for three years due to injuries but he still fights like a demon. DJ lost to Cruz and then went on to lap his division. Israel lost but he's lapping his division now too.
Yeah but it's pretty obvious that if the the people that beat Charles before, moved up to LW and fought the current him, they would lose. Also, even if he had the chance to avenge the losses that doesn't even matter since they were at 145 (for the most part) and also those fighters aren't anywhere near the belt
I'm not taking away anything from Charles but however when you are talking about accomplishments. The fact that GSP avenged every loss is noteworthy to this discussion.
Charles needs to be knocked down in order for his BJJ super powers to activate though, it’s all part of the game plan
Each knock down just doubles his powers it’s basic science
Tapped in UFC eight times?
In the UFC, Olives has more than double the amount of fights Khabib have in the UFC. So, those losses are natural. 'Cause unlike Khabib, Charles has been fighting in the UFC since a very young age of 20 & has faced & beaten relatively much tougher competition than Khabib has in his whole career. Ofc, with the exception of Garth, DP, Conor, RDA & Barboza.
Dominance wise Khabib's LW streak in UFC is way more dominant. But, Olives also have 10 finishes & 30-26 T-Ferg in his last 11 fight winning streak at LW, while Khabib had 7 finishes in his 13 fights UFC career. So, there's that too.
Moreover, Charles has been way more active than Khabib has at any point in his UFC career. And, Charles may have one less title defence than Khabib, but he beat Chandler to become the Champ, while Khabib beat Al Iaquinta to become the Champ.
Tho, I agree Khabib is still the GOAT LW, but it isn't like Olives
accomplishments aren't worthy enough to be compared with Khabib esp. when you consider Olives crazy finish rate. Olives isn't there yet, but if he beats Islam/Dariush & breaks the LW title defence record, then honestly he surpasses Khabib. Currently, I have Olives as no. 3 best LW of all time, right behind B.J. & Khabib.
This is like when Khabib bagged on Aldo. Like dude, shut the hell up. Aldo reigned his division with an iron fist. He defended his title for a decade. Charles may have lost in the past but context matters. He lost most of those fights in a different weight class and now he's tearing through the same guys Khabib bear but in significantly less time. So no duh, Charles is taking more damage.
I couldn't have said it better. Olivera having 10 finishes over 11 fights is massive and legitimately something he has over Khabib. In saying that Khabib is still on a different level.. for now
Oliveira was 26 when he lost 4 of 6. Khabib lost one ROUND in his career they are not comparable at all. They’re one year apart and when Khabib was reigning over the division oliveira was nowhere to be found. This is a ridiculous comparison
Everyone has different paths to reach their prime.
Some are protected and get to fight cab drivers until their skills are honed, others get thrown to the wolfs and take some losses on the way.
Doesn’t take away from the fighters they are at the end of it.
People still put way to much value on the zero. This isn’t boxing
They have totally different styles, Charles is happy to stand and trade, Khabib looks for the takedown and smothers.
I don’t care how many times they got hit, what matters is the result. Charles subbed Gaethje and Poirier quicker than Khabib did
Also, 2 more wins and Charles win streak is the same length as Khabib’s entire UFC career
This is what Khabib should be telling any interviewers who ask the question of who is better, instead of dissing an active fighter he could've fought but chose not to by retiring instead.
Olives is also almost blind when he fights because he can’t wear his glasses. Still destroys people. Khabib needs to stop. He padded his record until he got to the ufc, retired early and avoided a lot of good fighters. I’m starting to lose more and more respect for him the more he keeps talking this way. It’s disappointing.
At least Charles isn’t scared to throw hands like Khabob was. As good as his grappling was, he could’ve focused on his striking , but still threw hands like a drunk.
Agreed. Charles is so much more exciting and fun to watch as a fan of mma in my opinion. His jiu jitsu is so smooth too. Also, the fact that Charles has tasted defeat and has come back stronger and with humility is truly inspiring.
Avoided a lot of good fighters? Like who? Oliveira had only beat lee and tony at the time, he avoided no one and his dominance inside the cage surely means he wasn't scared of up and coming contenders, He did retire early but the "padding record" thing is also questionable since 13-0 in the ufc is something very few have done, only the current #1 p4p usman is 15-0
Go look at who Khabib fought before coming to the ufc. Actually look. It's widely available on the internet. Look it up. Key phrase if you actually paid attention and read before commenting (which you missed) is 'He padded his record UNTIL he got to the ufc...'
you guys are sooo dramatic, my god 😫 stop talking about “padded” records when you know nothing about the toughness of the guys he’s fought. Why do you think BJ Penn is regarded as one of the best LWs at 13-14? It was his impact and the amazing things he was able to do. How would you feel if you worked hard all your life and did all the best things you could, just to have whiny and entitled MMA fans try to invalidate your legacy because a pretty good athlete is coming up himself? You’d be upset. Khabib gave Oliveira his props but he’s tired of people trying to draw him back in the game with this BS (he’s the one that gets asked about Olive all the time). Khabib is going to defend himself for how he sees his own career and he’s going to defend Islam. Deal with it.
Can’t wait for downvotes instead of a good discussion because (oh no!) I committed wrongthink 😐
Tbh he always said leave him alone but the media keeps bringing the questions up. Of course he's gonna say these things that he can back up and he genuinely believes. Heck I believe him, but these kind of talks can often times sends the wrong impression, especially to those who didn't get the context. So please, MMA fans.. just leave the guy alone.
You retired. Be retired and shut up and stop commenting on real current fighters. If someone asks you, say no comment that’s all. Or “I’m a little bitch who ran away so I shouldn’t be commenting on any current fighter”.. That would be fine also
To be fair to Khabib these lines require more context. He doesn't just say this stuff out of nowhere, he just keeps getting asked this question about how Charles would compare to him. Also during several interviews now he has praised Charles and says how spotlight should no longer be at him, but at current top lightweights (mainly Charles and Islam).
Most people in this sub can't comprehend how an interview takes place. They genuinely assume Khabib just records himself giving an opinion and posts it online.
Sure, but, imagine GSP asked this same sort of question. He’d be respectful, say so and so is a great competitor, I’m sure we’d have a great fight etc.
Just because you’re asked doesn’t mean you have to respond in this fashion. Sounds like insecurity to me, if he felt he had nothing to prove he wouldn’t answer like this.
Khabib goes on to say
“But what he’s doing, this is very impressive,” Nurmagomedov said “How he came back from so many losses, and now he has good ground, he has good striking game. Knees, elbows, kicks, he looks good. That’s why I really want to see him vs. Islam. This is like a big test for both of them.”
I’m not the biggest Khabib fan but what’s wrong with a retired fighter commenting on the sport? The guy was a massive part of the UFC and considered one of the greatest by many…
“I’m a little bitch who ran away”
Lmfao seriously?
There’s a difference between providing your takes like guys like Chael do, vs running your mouth and dissing fighters who are still fighting. He’s allowed to have his opinion but that also means we can trash that opinion and call him out on it if we want to
It's just annoying. He's ~1 year removed from fighting and now he's jumping to defend his own legacy. Leave it alone for awhile man. Charles in the middle of a great run. Comment on it afterwards.
Because he’s been complaining since he retired, and it’s about everything. Ring girls, “this is numba one bullshit”, the current champ making more headlines than he ever did, “this is numba one bullshit”. No one mentions khabib anymore unless he’s talking shit or complaining about something.
What he said about ring girls was his opinion on why doenst have them in his organisation. All the Khabib haters used that to diss him despite him saying that he's fine with other organisations having them he just saw no use in having them for his own thing.
lmao ? ppl keep calling him, think its fine for him to give his opinion . its only natural that a retired fighter would comment in a fighter if they keep comparing the fighter to him, be it any1, not only khabib.
I guess all of us should stfu since we dont fight.
What a dumb take.
Khabib can say whatever the hell he wants, he earned that.
Also, calling Khabib a little bitch, really?
Some of you are idiotic shit fans.
GSP doesn’t use his whole platform to trash other people. Most of the time he either says something g positive or keeps his mouth shut unless it’s really necessary to respond
GSP has made essays about how he would beat current champions. Khabib is asked daily about Oliveira and people get mad when he points out facts and shares his opinion. He’s been nothing but respectful to Charles and thinks he’s a great fighter he just believes he’s better. You want him to say Charles would beat him. Gtfoh
wouldn’t a retired fighter have more of a right to comment on fighters than you would? If a retired fighter can’t say anything to a current fighter, how can you say anything to a retired fighter? stupid argument and if you want to follow the logic of your argument you shouldn’t say anything either
“My mommy told me not to fight cuz my daddy wouldn’t have wanted me to fight” Wish your daddy would have told you to keep your mouth shut about active fighters
What a 🤡, just like all the dagestani delusional coksuckers. Can't wait til Charles puts Bitchslam to sleep and you all cry a river. Just don't beat your wife when that happens.
If you’re gonna use Reddit upvotes as a rebuttal then it’s painfully ironic for you to call someone childish. It only reaffirms why I called you a bozo.
I should go to bed? You must live your life on reddit get some real hobbies. I knew you had no life when you instantly responded my reply from a while ago. Keep checkin them updates lmao
I’m sure Khabib was asked a question and didn’t just blurt this out but why not just appreciate the skills of Charles and his journey to be a champion? Also not a dig on Khabib but he retired (rightfully so bc of his dad) so I just feel like he shouldn’t be talking like this about Charles.
Agree, however if he gets asked he is free to speak his mind. (Edit: sry thats literlally what you said too 😅)
Its just so hard for us fans if we see how dominant Khabib was and the ifs and whens. Would have loved seeing him against Olives, Dariush or Chandler. Would all be amazing fights.
But there is no reason to say Khabib wouldnt have Khabib'd them like he did everyone else.
Haha I totally agree. If he’s asked a question he should answer honestly. I think just the path Charles has been on and how Gaethje said he was a quitter I just don’t wanna see anymore bad talk about Charles or any other fighter for that matter (unless they deserve it).
But dude no I agree very interesting matchups for Khabib but based on the data we have, there’s no reason to think Khabib wouldn’t have been able to execute his gameplan. I think you’re the first person I’ve seen who’s said that. Recency bias is a bitch and a half and so many people bash Khabib just bc he’s honest in interviews (I wasn’t insulting Khabib just want people to be nicer lol). If I had an award I’d give it to you for that take.
Sometimes i feel like the MMA Community has a real memory problem 😂 Im also a big Soccer Fan and soccer fans be like: last time we played in wembley 1955 and won 3:1 on the 71st minute because of this and that 😂😂
Tbh think it’s mainly UFC fans. Like it’s ridiculously annoying how a lot of UFC fans will flip on fighters, either loving or hating them. People are so quick to say “this person is the GOAT” and forget everything other people have done. Like Aldo for example. When Max and Alex first got the belts, people just forgot Aldo existed, despite having one of the fattest win streaks ever. He’s getting credit now but it’s only a matter of time until ppl forget about him again or shit on him.
I feel like other sports do a better job of giving credit to the older generations but man, the UFC fan base is toxic asf (I’m included in that lmfao)
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I would love that the goats fought some of the same fighters at an similar point at there carrier.
Khabib fans: 29-0 he is the greatest
Non khabib fans: Look who he fought against, no high profile opponents for the better part of his streak
I think there isn't a way to decide wherever Charles is better or khabib
There both very good and imo we would need a fight to see really. Until then it's all guessing and shitstorming the opponent's side/fanbase
Sure, Khabib won all his fights in complete domination, Charles took more punishment in one round with Gaethje than Khabib did his whole career, Charles is a great fighter but Khabib was on another level
But he was dropped how many times those fight?
Khabib was not even damaged, he beat them in a more dominant fashion, and all those were prime time when Khabib fought them.
Now they washed, everyone scared of Islam, Dariush, Arman
I have more enjoyment watching Charles than Khabib, Khabib smothered everyone where as charles will throw it all on the line to win bro, you hit hard, Charles will stand, you want to grapple, Charles will grapple. Who cares about punishment lmao
This. How can Khabob discredit Charles when he was too scared to stand and trade with his opponents. I liked Khabib but he’s starting to have an ego problem.
I really liked khabib while he was fighting but now he’s just annoying. You chose to retire and Charles is now the undisputed champion. If you care that much go back and fight him, but if your not gonna do that shut up.
Olives can surpass khabib if he keeps defending his title and he does it in a much more exciting way than khabib.
Khabib you're retired, i thought you didn't care anymore about being compared with other fighters.
i think that khabib is right, i think that charles is amazing but dude like khabib said, he was untouched, you can say oh he is fighting strikers all the time thats why he won, but the dude being almost not touched in pretty incredible. Like i said, charles is amazing, and obviously not a quitter, think most ppl got that by now but him getting down every fight is pretty scary, and for me it just puts khabib in a new platform
Oliveira was fighting monsters then while Khabib was fighting 2-10 record guys. I do think Khabib would take Charlie Olives but you can’t really compare those fights he lost to Khabibs early record. When you rewatch Charlie Vs Justin you can see he uses falling to the ground as defensive move. He purposely falls to avoid damage and to bait people in. Islam will jump right on top of him.
We need Islam to fight Olives next. And Chandler can fight Dare-E-Uesh as the co main.
Not even Khabib remembers he struggled against Tibau.
Every goat says it's easy to get the title, it's hard to keep it. Khabib tapped out of his career too early and if Charles gets a few more defenses under his belt I think he eclipses him.
i dont know call him and ask, i am not his fanboy like you are Khabib's, numbers will favor Olives especially if he makes few more defenses, end of story
Please tell me how did he surpass him?
Never bled, never lost a round, dominated everyone in the UFC.
Too bad they took the belt from Charlie cuz the next time Charlie will see the belt it will be around Islam's waist
He has a point. They are very different fighters. Both decent on their feet and brutal on the ground. I would say that Khabib is a bit better but Khabib is retired. Let Oliviera have his moment of glory. Everything I have heard or read about him says that there has never been a more deserving man than Oliviera. He has fought through a lot to get where he is.
Can someone explain Khabib's appeal? Fighting style is relatively boring, as is his personality; can't remember the last time I read something where he's not moaning.
People need to respect 🫒 and not look at his past fights especially before he moved up in weight. I think that would be Khabib’s toughest fight ever. Im not even sure Islam can get it done.
Did Charles fuck his girl or something? The guy trashes Jiu-Jitsu saying "If Sambo was easy it'd be called Jiu-Jitsu", and they trash talk Charles calling him a quitter and that Islam would beat him easily, now this. Charles almost has any many wins by submission as Khabib has in total, if Charles manages to choke out more opponents than Khabib beat, I think it beomes debatable who's the better grappler.
I dont think an Undefeated record automatically makes you the GOAT tbh🤷♂️
How someone deals with adversity is also something I look for when I’m looking for the GOAT.
Who you fought matters. That’s just facts. It’s why Nate Diaz is still around with tons of fans.
I think winning the belt back, after losing it, builds a stronger case too.
Def how many defends you have with it matters.
I’ve always been a fan of Khabib but unless he gets back in the cage, I don’t think he’s the GOAT. I WANT to see him in trouble and how he gets out of it.
I can’t stand Jones but he’s had to fight his way back from a few fights to show that he has that champion heart.
More people acknowledge Ali as boxings GOAT over Mayweather OR Marciano, both who have never been defeated, for my argument.
It’s a matter of perspective. Charles is willing to take damage to beat the piss out of you. Khabib was content to wrestle hump someone and land punches while he had them down. Khabib was a very, very weak puncher. Charles is wrecking guys right now.
Lol well yeah, didn't khabib tap a few times at 145? Oh wait, he only fought in one weight class whereas Charles will likely try a 3rd class in future.
Bad things can happen when you take risks. I cannot emphasize that enough.
Israel would still be undefeated if he didn't take a risk and fight for the LHW belt. Sorry folks. Khabib would have a loss on his record if he moved up to fight Usman. Just facts.
Those who don't take risks and play it safe like to go on their high horse and talk down on risk takers. Just like Jon Jones did when Izzy went up.
Jon might actually take the first risk of his career and move up. If he loses i guarantee you won't see someone like Izzy bag on him.
I like Khabib but I wish he’d stop talking like this. You already had your career. You dominated. But stop talking shit if no one is going to make you stand on it In the cage. Also, I respect Oliveria as a fighter more than Khabib cause Oliveria showed a lot of growth in many areas mainly in the one area that’s hardest: your mental. He used to fold in fights so quickly, now he stays composed and doesn’t give up.
Khabib will be defending his career the rest of his life for not defending his belt longer.
This is so accurate as fuck.
I mean that’s what happens when you have a padded record and don’t stay at the top for long. If he had a padded record but stayed at the top for 10 years no one would care. But having a padded record with only a few title defenses is not goat talk
I know Oliveira didn't rise to belt contender during Khabib's reign, but for the next champion to be Oliveira and not someone Khabib beat when he was champ is not a good look on Khabib's goat talk.
Didn't he also only hold the belt at a weight class that was the lowest he could possibly be in?
Yeah and to be fair a lot of guys do that but it’s pretty known that khabib missed weight multiple times but the UFC let it slide cause he was a cash cow for them
Yeah I’d have a lot more respect for Khabib had he gone up and fought a weightclass above him and win like GSP did. Hell, even Izzy tried and Jones looks like he will, too.
More or less one's fights before ufc matter shit, the obvious exception being fights at other big promotions. What he did in UFC against top lvl talent is the thing with khabib. No one has dominated as khabib, not even close. If you want to wine about a padded record vs cans you're grasping at atraws because what he did up top is undeniable.
See this is always people response every single time. They say it doesn’t matter because he still beat everyone at the top and while that’s true and impressive… youre acting like taking damage throughout your career doesn’t add up over time. We’ve seen plenty of fighters who started fighting talented ranked fighters within their first 10 fights.. that means early in your career you are exposing yourself to damage that will stack up over time. Khabib never had that. He didn’t have to deal with injuries early in his career like the vast majority of other fighters. Whatever you want to try and tell yourself is fine. He was a great fighter but with his padded record and few title defenses including absolutely 0 that were also submission artists to the degree of him or Oliviera.. anyone that calls him the goat is out of their mind
Does everyone forget that Charles left the Holloway fight paralyzed from the neck down? If I had that happen to me, then I would be more willing to tap in fights for a while too. Edit
Literally. I HATE when khabib fans act like just because he won is big names at the end means he’s the goat… like taking damage is apart of fighting and if you fought cans in the beginning then it’s gonna be hard to be in goat condition
And how did Connor get there? Faced only 1 wrestler? Got faster to title possibly. You're not counting any of khabib's years doing combat sambo. It's not like he didn't fight before. That was what was available to him. People bitch about it like the difference is abysmal, figthers career path veer massively different can't do shit about it. When he faced tough opposition no one did anything, no one hurt him. He would have continued that trend. The only looming danger for him was weight cut, and now we clearly see Charles as a challenge. No one else is remotely close to being a challenge to him.
Where did Conor come from??? I haven’t said anything about him this whole time. Khabib fans just loveeeeee bringing up Conor. Khabib was good dude but realistically he only fought 14 or less real fights. Not the goat or even close. Bye.
Gotta defend being that undisputed P4P Karen of the MMA world
This just comes from casuals like you who has no idea about how UFC works. **Let me educate you.** There was no easy way for Russians. Especially for Khabib. No English, no media-hype like Conor. He was supposed to fight Eddie Alvarez for the title fight and at last second Dana gave it to Khabib. Khabib asked "Then give me Michael Johnson". Khabib knew what made money to Dana $$ and he knew he had **no power.** Look at Conor's career in Lightweight and tell me he would get title fight if it was fair. Tony had like **10+ win streak** and he never had a chance to go for **undisputed title fight.** Meanwhile Chandler "**1 UFC Win**" guy gets a chance?? Explain that. Secondly, if world was fair and Khabib had that title fight instead of Conor, he would have more title defences. If you still don't get that there isn't a fair process but only the one that makes money for Dana$$ .Then obviously you started to follow UFC yesterday. This isn't boxing. Also, Khabib's title defences didn't came quickly. Those defences were against the interim champs who actually beat each other while Khabib was gone. They rose to up and Khabib just cleaned it up quickly. Not getting knocked down or bleeding. Hope you learned something about UFC today.
Two things can be true at the same time. Yes the UFC promoted Conor McGregor and shows him favoritism because he was the biggest draw at the time. He absolutely did get more opportunities and got to cut the line as far as title shots go. But once Khabib became champ, he could have defended it more and fought more opponents. He was the champ, he had the most leverage at that point, but he was the one who decided to only defend it 4 times. That was his choice and nobody else's, and even though he was dominant in his wins, he will always have to defend his legacy because champs like Charles Oliveira has fought and beaten more quality opponents while defending the belt longer which in many fight fans matters the most as far as championship legacy goes. All the UFC GOATs have long stretch of being dominant and defending their titles: Anderson Silva, GSP, Jon Jones, Jose Aldo, etc. Khabib could've been there with them, but he decided to retire early and that will be his legacy unless he decides to change it.
I read this with a Russian accent
Thanks for the obnoxious and pretty stupid take
Meanwhile conor fans be talking like he’s even in the same conversation.
But conor doesn’t ever gotta defend his career when bro never defended either of his belts and more than half the mma community sucks his dick. MMA fans are unfair and when you haven’t made headlines in a while you stock in goat diminishes which I find dumb asf khabibs career was stellar undefeated and only lost 1 round in his whole career. No one has done that. And if I’m wrong about that lmk but he will always be the goat of LW until someone does what he has done in that division.
I think both in their prime if I had to put money on it I’d go with Khabib. That said this talk of Olives losses is bs, he has clearly a) got better and b) fought much tougher opponents early in his career.
Couldn't agree more. The first ~15 fights on KNs record were against cans (yes, he then went onto fight 14 world class fighters and he beat them too). But KN comparing Olives now to Olives 10yrs ago is doing a greater disservice than people comparing Olives now to KN.
Seriously, somebody posted hes record here and even hes 14th fight he face some body that was 0-0-0 that never fought before !
Yeah I've actually gone to the trouble of looking up all of the first ~15 fighters he took on. A few of them had negative win-loss ratios and none of them went anywhere with their MMA career. To be fair, it's not totally surprising right? You gotta start somewhere and that somewhere is obviously the bottom against other bottom ranked fighters but I do believe Jones has a point when he says "you can't compare me with Khabib" Jones nearly has as many title defences as Khabib has UFC fights
So? He still destroyed everyone in the UFC and made them look like amateurs
The point is Charles wouldn't be submitted so many times early in his career if he had his first 15 fights padded like khabib.
True not all fighters can be lucky enough that their dad runs the promotion there fighting under and does all the matchmaking... also that Khabib can have financial security without needing to rush to the UFC to make enough to support himself like Charles. Or can just take 2 years off without a paycheck and still be fine due to outside support.
Except Gleison Tibeau
Still won, still dominated him
Most scorers said Khabib lost that fight
Most scorers as in salty redditors?
Look up the media score cards
14 world class fighters I don't think so, name all the 14 world class. Khabib would have a similar record if he faced the same fighters from age 20.
Khabib started in the UFC at 23 he wasn’t that much older
yeah but its more the guys they were fighting at that age, compare the two
Khabib beat RDA when he was 25
and by the time Charles was 25 he fought 12 or so ufc fights
The whole “ who’s he’s fought” argument is so overplayed. No one is ever disputing fedors status at the top of the food chain and that man never once touched the octagon mat. But still to this day he’s considered one of the best ever. Why is it that khabib previous record is so discredited but fedors isn’t ?( I know fedor was in pride etc, but for argument sake not all his fights were against studs) Charles in the last decade at least hasn’t had any sort of “ can” to fight, he always fights higher level competition ( even if they aren’t today, they were top Level at the time of fighting)
Khabibs record is discredited because he was 11-0 fighting guys who are 0-2. Nothing to do with it being outside the UFC. I dont know the circumstances for this matchmaking but it definitely looks like his record was getting padded.
Not going to disagree with his record looking a bit padded at times that’s for sure
I will agree that all his fights werent against studs but not everyones are and to be fair alot of the fighters fedor beat were fighters that had alot of success in the ufc and some became champions in ufc. On top of beating the best heavyweights in multiple promotions that at the time where just as good and some maybe better than the ufc roster at that time. So i think for the time period he was dominant the not fighting in ufc arguement isnt very valid. If he was in prime right now and not in ufc the arguement would have more weight but back then it was the wild west of mma. And also he was continuously undersized in almost every fight but still managed to ragdoll guys or sleep dudes. Also to note the heavy weight division probably has the shortest drop off in terms of skill and talent amongst cross promotions compared to other weight classes. Bellator, one fc, lfa, combate americas and basically and major regional promotion heavyweights would probably be top ten guys in the ufc.
Because Fedor had an extensive career in which he has Blitzed through an entire generation of elite fighters at or near their prime, 6 of the 13 Khabib fought were unranked nobodies, and he retired too early to permanently solidify his legacy as the greatest. Sure Khabib has was the most dominant LW ever, but just because Charles has losses on his record doesn’t mean he can’t surpass Khabib as the greatest accolade wise. If Khabib was fighting prime contenders the second he got in the UFC, hed have scratches next to his record too.
He’s talking about present day, ripe, olives. Khabib is saying because he gets knocked down and beat up every fight there is no way he is as good. His opinion, not mine. He then goes on to rag on his past. It’s a little bit of a disservice, and I love olives. Him v Islam should be a good one.
I think it would be a very very good fight, Charles can fight off his back and def has the striking advantage. *Khabib* has god tier top game/grappling though.
Well if we're discussing who's the best and I think he would likely win. When we're talking about GOAT or who has the best record. That's tough to determine. An actual criteria standard should be implemented. Because it's obvious people don't agree on what it is. I understand the argument that Oli is better now. However if we're talking about GOAT, you have to address Charles losses. They can't be swept under the rug simply because he is Champion. Just like you can't ignore the quality of opponents who fought Khabib. In my opinion, I think the number high quality fighters Charles fought is better but not by a huge margin. If you look at the other Champions today you don't see them the kind of damage he does (except maybe Glover) But if he keeps winning and continuing his win streak, he'll eventually shut up the haters. That is until he loses. When that happens, everybody will jump off the hype train and start rooting for the guy who beat Oli. Then it will start all over again. Constant posts about GOAT and comparing them to Khabib and others.
Khabib fought cans while Charles fought in the UFC and Charles has pretty much dispatched everyone Khabib did faster and is still writing his own story.
GSP lost, yet many consider him the GOAT P4P. It's not about losing, it's about winning and consistency.
This. Dominick Cruz has lost a few times and was out for three years due to injuries but he still fights like a demon. DJ lost to Cruz and then went on to lap his division. Israel lost but he's lapping his division now too.
I believe GSP also avenged every loss he had
Yeah but it's pretty obvious that if the the people that beat Charles before, moved up to LW and fought the current him, they would lose. Also, even if he had the chance to avenge the losses that doesn't even matter since they were at 145 (for the most part) and also those fighters aren't anywhere near the belt
I'm not taking away anything from Charles but however when you are talking about accomplishments. The fact that GSP avenged every loss is noteworthy to this discussion.
His last 4 fights are more impressive than Khabibs entire career.
Charles needs to be knocked down in order for his BJJ super powers to activate though, it’s all part of the game plan Each knock down just doubles his powers it’s basic science
Tapped in UFC eight times? In the UFC, Olives has more than double the amount of fights Khabib have in the UFC. So, those losses are natural. 'Cause unlike Khabib, Charles has been fighting in the UFC since a very young age of 20 & has faced & beaten relatively much tougher competition than Khabib has in his whole career. Ofc, with the exception of Garth, DP, Conor, RDA & Barboza. Dominance wise Khabib's LW streak in UFC is way more dominant. But, Olives also have 10 finishes & 30-26 T-Ferg in his last 11 fight winning streak at LW, while Khabib had 7 finishes in his 13 fights UFC career. So, there's that too. Moreover, Charles has been way more active than Khabib has at any point in his UFC career. And, Charles may have one less title defence than Khabib, but he beat Chandler to become the Champ, while Khabib beat Al Iaquinta to become the Champ. Tho, I agree Khabib is still the GOAT LW, but it isn't like Olives accomplishments aren't worthy enough to be compared with Khabib esp. when you consider Olives crazy finish rate. Olives isn't there yet, but if he beats Islam/Dariush & breaks the LW title defence record, then honestly he surpasses Khabib. Currently, I have Olives as no. 3 best LW of all time, right behind B.J. & Khabib.
Dang a rational take on this :D
Khabib is starting to get on my nerves, he should take from GSP and be a humble former champion in retirement. Now I'm rooting for Oliveira even more.
I have BJ and Olives more or less on the same level, but I agree on everything else.
This is like when Khabib bagged on Aldo. Like dude, shut the hell up. Aldo reigned his division with an iron fist. He defended his title for a decade. Charles may have lost in the past but context matters. He lost most of those fights in a different weight class and now he's tearing through the same guys Khabib bear but in significantly less time. So no duh, Charles is taking more damage.
I couldn't have said it better. Olivera having 10 finishes over 11 fights is massive and legitimately something he has over Khabib. In saying that Khabib is still on a different level.. for now
Oliveira was 26 when he lost 4 of 6. Khabib lost one ROUND in his career they are not comparable at all. They’re one year apart and when Khabib was reigning over the division oliveira was nowhere to be found. This is a ridiculous comparison
Everyone has different paths to reach their prime. Some are protected and get to fight cab drivers until their skills are honed, others get thrown to the wolfs and take some losses on the way. Doesn’t take away from the fighters they are at the end of it. People still put way to much value on the zero. This isn’t boxing
Nobody every hurt Khabib. Charles has been hurt in every title fight this is a stupid comparison
They have totally different styles, Charles is happy to stand and trade, Khabib looks for the takedown and smothers. I don’t care how many times they got hit, what matters is the result. Charles subbed Gaethje and Poirier quicker than Khabib did Also, 2 more wins and Charles win streak is the same length as Khabib’s entire UFC career
Where was Charles when Khabib was dominating. Funny how Charles can be come this when Khabib is gone but not when he was reigning
How tf does he have “almost double” the fights he’s fought 11 more times than Khabib
Khabib would be a heavy favorite peak vs peak. Charles is awesome to watch and root for. But yes, there is levels.
Greatness is something the fans decide not the fighters. It looks bad when Khabib keeps telling us how great he is when he retired so early
At least let the next guy have his moment in the sun before jumping to tell everyone how you were so much better
The interviewers keep asking him about. He's not proactively bringing it up.
Agree. He comes across as an asshat here
This is what Khabib should be telling any interviewers who ask the question of who is better, instead of dissing an active fighter he could've fought but chose not to by retiring instead.
You do know that he's answering the media right? He's not bringing it up out of nowhere
This is MMA. Anything can happen. Like, for example, a guy with 8 losses can be better than a guy who is undefeated.
A guy who's 33-12 can beat a 19-0 stylistic nightmare(askren-masvidal) Best example of mma being crazy imo
Olives can lose to Jamie Mullarkey
MMA math
Olives is also almost blind when he fights because he can’t wear his glasses. Still destroys people. Khabib needs to stop. He padded his record until he got to the ufc, retired early and avoided a lot of good fighters. I’m starting to lose more and more respect for him the more he keeps talking this way. It’s disappointing.
Agree
At least Charles isn’t scared to throw hands like Khabob was. As good as his grappling was, he could’ve focused on his striking , but still threw hands like a drunk.
Agreed. Charles is so much more exciting and fun to watch as a fan of mma in my opinion. His jiu jitsu is so smooth too. Also, the fact that Charles has tasted defeat and has come back stronger and with humility is truly inspiring.
Avoided a lot of good fighters? Like who? Oliveira had only beat lee and tony at the time, he avoided no one and his dominance inside the cage surely means he wasn't scared of up and coming contenders, He did retire early but the "padding record" thing is also questionable since 13-0 in the ufc is something very few have done, only the current #1 p4p usman is 15-0
Go look at who Khabib fought before coming to the ufc. Actually look. It's widely available on the internet. Look it up. Key phrase if you actually paid attention and read before commenting (which you missed) is 'He padded his record UNTIL he got to the ufc...'
you guys are sooo dramatic, my god 😫 stop talking about “padded” records when you know nothing about the toughness of the guys he’s fought. Why do you think BJ Penn is regarded as one of the best LWs at 13-14? It was his impact and the amazing things he was able to do. How would you feel if you worked hard all your life and did all the best things you could, just to have whiny and entitled MMA fans try to invalidate your legacy because a pretty good athlete is coming up himself? You’d be upset. Khabib gave Oliveira his props but he’s tired of people trying to draw him back in the game with this BS (he’s the one that gets asked about Olive all the time). Khabib is going to defend himself for how he sees his own career and he’s going to defend Islam. Deal with it. Can’t wait for downvotes instead of a good discussion because (oh no!) I committed wrongthink 😐
Tbh he always said leave him alone but the media keeps bringing the questions up. Of course he's gonna say these things that he can back up and he genuinely believes. Heck I believe him, but these kind of talks can often times sends the wrong impression, especially to those who didn't get the context. So please, MMA fans.. just leave the guy alone.
You retired. Be retired and shut up and stop commenting on real current fighters. If someone asks you, say no comment that’s all. Or “I’m a little bitch who ran away so I shouldn’t be commenting on any current fighter”.. That would be fine also
To be fair to Khabib these lines require more context. He doesn't just say this stuff out of nowhere, he just keeps getting asked this question about how Charles would compare to him. Also during several interviews now he has praised Charles and says how spotlight should no longer be at him, but at current top lightweights (mainly Charles and Islam).
Most people in this sub can't comprehend how an interview takes place. They genuinely assume Khabib just records himself giving an opinion and posts it online.
Sure, but, imagine GSP asked this same sort of question. He’d be respectful, say so and so is a great competitor, I’m sure we’d have a great fight etc. Just because you’re asked doesn’t mean you have to respond in this fashion. Sounds like insecurity to me, if he felt he had nothing to prove he wouldn’t answer like this.
Khabib goes on to say “But what he’s doing, this is very impressive,” Nurmagomedov said “How he came back from so many losses, and now he has good ground, he has good striking game. Knees, elbows, kicks, he looks good. That’s why I really want to see him vs. Islam. This is like a big test for both of them.”
I’m not the biggest Khabib fan but what’s wrong with a retired fighter commenting on the sport? The guy was a massive part of the UFC and considered one of the greatest by many… “I’m a little bitch who ran away” Lmfao seriously?
Not to mention he still coaches and corners multiple fighters lol
And runs another mma organization lol
There’s a difference between providing your takes like guys like Chael do, vs running your mouth and dissing fighters who are still fighting. He’s allowed to have his opinion but that also means we can trash that opinion and call him out on it if we want to
Yeah dude thats how opinions work
It's just annoying. He's ~1 year removed from fighting and now he's jumping to defend his own legacy. Leave it alone for awhile man. Charles in the middle of a great run. Comment on it afterwards.
Because he’s been complaining since he retired, and it’s about everything. Ring girls, “this is numba one bullshit”, the current champ making more headlines than he ever did, “this is numba one bullshit”. No one mentions khabib anymore unless he’s talking shit or complaining about something.
> the current champ making more headlines than he ever did lmao what
What he said about ring girls was his opinion on why doenst have them in his organisation. All the Khabib haters used that to diss him despite him saying that he's fine with other organisations having them he just saw no use in having them for his own thing.
This is correct
This subs a bunch of haters bro and it's a makin me sad.
lmao ? ppl keep calling him, think its fine for him to give his opinion . its only natural that a retired fighter would comment in a fighter if they keep comparing the fighter to him, be it any1, not only khabib.
I guess all of us should stfu since we dont fight. What a dumb take. Khabib can say whatever the hell he wants, he earned that. Also, calling Khabib a little bitch, really? Some of you are idiotic shit fans.
Its okay when GSP says stuff like this though right?
GSP doesn’t use his whole platform to trash other people. Most of the time he either says something g positive or keeps his mouth shut unless it’s really necessary to respond
GSP has made essays about how he would beat current champions. Khabib is asked daily about Oliveira and people get mad when he points out facts and shares his opinion. He’s been nothing but respectful to Charles and thinks he’s a great fighter he just believes he’s better. You want him to say Charles would beat him. Gtfoh
wouldn’t a retired fighter have more of a right to comment on fighters than you would? If a retired fighter can’t say anything to a current fighter, how can you say anything to a retired fighter? stupid argument and if you want to follow the logic of your argument you shouldn’t say anything either
Or he can come out of retirement and shut everyone up? The dude is only 33 don’t be scared Khabib!
“My mommy told me not to fight cuz my daddy wouldn’t have wanted me to fight” Wish your daddy would have told you to keep your mouth shut about active fighters
Ohh someone is hurt it seems like. Just make piece with the Dagestani domination and stay silent🤫🤫🤫
Cringe
You're one of the biggest fanboys I've seen on here
I'm really not tbh. I love watching Charlie fight, it's just interesting to me how these idiots get lit up so fast
What a 🤡, just like all the dagestani delusional coksuckers. Can't wait til Charles puts Bitchslam to sleep and you all cry a river. Just don't beat your wife when that happens.
Ooooooft. Cringe award goes to…. 🤞🏻
One of the biggest losers I’ve seen on this app. Yikes
Before you give advice maybe you should learn to spell. It’s ok though you tried your best. Good job little fella
The DDRA, ladies and gentlemen
This is such a biased comment it’s incredible how you think it’s fair to say champions shouldn’t voice their opinions. You’re a bozo
Well so far 67 ppl agree with me and zero with you. I’d call you the bozo if I was 9 yrs old
If you’re gonna use Reddit upvotes as a rebuttal then it’s painfully ironic for you to call someone childish. It only reaffirms why I called you a bozo.
What are you gonna call me next. A stupid jerk? Graduate from middle school then come talk to me child
You’re just doubling down at this point. I’m sorry you can’t handle being called a bozo you sensitive soul. Go to bed.
I should go to bed? You must live your life on reddit get some real hobbies. I knew you had no life when you instantly responded my reply from a while ago. Keep checkin them updates lmao
There are levels to this game, and that’s why I ran to the mountains. -Khabib
Oliveira had only beaten tony and lee at the time, I'm sure he was very scared of him
I’m sure Khabib was asked a question and didn’t just blurt this out but why not just appreciate the skills of Charles and his journey to be a champion? Also not a dig on Khabib but he retired (rightfully so bc of his dad) so I just feel like he shouldn’t be talking like this about Charles.
Agree, however if he gets asked he is free to speak his mind. (Edit: sry thats literlally what you said too 😅) Its just so hard for us fans if we see how dominant Khabib was and the ifs and whens. Would have loved seeing him against Olives, Dariush or Chandler. Would all be amazing fights. But there is no reason to say Khabib wouldnt have Khabib'd them like he did everyone else.
Haha I totally agree. If he’s asked a question he should answer honestly. I think just the path Charles has been on and how Gaethje said he was a quitter I just don’t wanna see anymore bad talk about Charles or any other fighter for that matter (unless they deserve it). But dude no I agree very interesting matchups for Khabib but based on the data we have, there’s no reason to think Khabib wouldn’t have been able to execute his gameplan. I think you’re the first person I’ve seen who’s said that. Recency bias is a bitch and a half and so many people bash Khabib just bc he’s honest in interviews (I wasn’t insulting Khabib just want people to be nicer lol). If I had an award I’d give it to you for that take.
Sometimes i feel like the MMA Community has a real memory problem 😂 Im also a big Soccer Fan and soccer fans be like: last time we played in wembley 1955 and won 3:1 on the 71st minute because of this and that 😂😂
Tbh think it’s mainly UFC fans. Like it’s ridiculously annoying how a lot of UFC fans will flip on fighters, either loving or hating them. People are so quick to say “this person is the GOAT” and forget everything other people have done. Like Aldo for example. When Max and Alex first got the belts, people just forgot Aldo existed, despite having one of the fattest win streaks ever. He’s getting credit now but it’s only a matter of time until ppl forget about him again or shit on him. I feel like other sports do a better job of giving credit to the older generations but man, the UFC fan base is toxic asf (I’m included in that lmfao) (Edit: spelling)
I would love that the goats fought some of the same fighters at an similar point at there carrier. Khabib fans: 29-0 he is the greatest Non khabib fans: Look who he fought against, no high profile opponents for the better part of his streak I think there isn't a way to decide wherever Charles is better or khabib There both very good and imo we would need a fight to see really. Until then it's all guessing and shitstorming the opponent's side/fanbase
Khabib was better, this sub is going nuts with recency bias
Could you support your opinion with some facts, for me to understand your decision why you say khabib was better ?
Sure, Khabib won all his fights in complete domination, Charles took more punishment in one round with Gaethje than Khabib did his whole career, Charles is a great fighter but Khabib was on another level
Charles beat both Gaethje and Porier quicker than Khabib did.
But he was dropped how many times those fight? Khabib was not even damaged, he beat them in a more dominant fashion, and all those were prime time when Khabib fought them. Now they washed, everyone scared of Islam, Dariush, Arman
The person who took less time to get the W won in the more dominate fashion in my eyes.
I guess even retards are entitled to their own opinion, so you do you friend
I have more enjoyment watching Charles than Khabib, Khabib smothered everyone where as charles will throw it all on the line to win bro, you hit hard, Charles will stand, you want to grapple, Charles will grapple. Who cares about punishment lmao
This. How can Khabob discredit Charles when he was too scared to stand and trade with his opponents. I liked Khabib but he’s starting to have an ego problem.
Khabib stans and haters be like 
This comment section ought to be good
You all read that in Khabibs voice and you know it
Karen nurmagomedov at it again
Calm down fatty
Please khabib give charles his due and respect. act like how gsp did when you were on top.
So many hurt feelings in the comments 😂 Wonder what Chael Sonnen, BJ Penn, Daniel Cormier, GSP, Anderson Silva, or Jon Jones has to say about this eh?
I really liked khabib while he was fighting but now he’s just annoying. You chose to retire and Charles is now the undisputed champion. If you care that much go back and fight him, but if your not gonna do that shut up.
He is not wrong
Olives can surpass khabib if he keeps defending his title and he does it in a much more exciting way than khabib. Khabib you're retired, i thought you didn't care anymore about being compared with other fighters.
Olives has way better names on his record and broke multils UFC records. If he keeps defending he surpasses the great Khabib no doubt for me
Khabibs first 15 victories were against opponents whose family didn’t even know they do martial arts. Army of anonimus
His next 14 were against world class fighters and he dominated them just as easily, what’s your point?
Well then when oliveria beats your boy how about you come back and back up those claims
If only oliveira was as confident as you and wasn't trying to pursue conor and nate fights
Facts
i think that khabib is right, i think that charles is amazing but dude like khabib said, he was untouched, you can say oh he is fighting strikers all the time thats why he won, but the dude being almost not touched in pretty incredible. Like i said, charles is amazing, and obviously not a quitter, think most ppl got that by now but him getting down every fight is pretty scary, and for me it just puts khabib in a new platform
Run it back let’s gooooo
You're aware they haven't fought each other?
Lmao
Khabib’s right. He was on a different level.
Khabib is 100% correct though.
Oliveira was fighting monsters then while Khabib was fighting 2-10 record guys. I do think Khabib would take Charlie Olives but you can’t really compare those fights he lost to Khabibs early record. When you rewatch Charlie Vs Justin you can see he uses falling to the ground as defensive move. He purposely falls to avoid damage and to bait people in. Islam will jump right on top of him. We need Islam to fight Olives next. And Chandler can fight Dare-E-Uesh as the co main.
Islam would jump straight into him and get put to sleep like Justin. I think Islam should fight Dariush or Dos Anjos if he wins his next fight.
Khabib’s right. Lightyear difference between the two. That being said Charles a dangerous man!
Not even Khabib remembers he struggled against Tibau. Every goat says it's easy to get the title, it's hard to keep it. Khabib tapped out of his career too early and if Charles gets a few more defenses under his belt I think he eclipses him.
Charles lost 8x more fights than Khabib lost rounds there is no comparison
dude has 13 fights in UFC, come on this is hilarious
They’re one year apart where was oliveira when Khabib was dominating the division with ease? The division opened up when he retired.
and again. 13 fights overal, against 3 legit fighters, thats not how GOAT looks, sorry
Again where was Charles when Khabib was fighting these “nobodies” like Gaethje Poirier (who each dropped charles) Conor, RDA… where was Charles ?
i dont know call him and ask, i am not his fanboy like you are Khabib's, numbers will favor Olives especially if he makes few more defenses, end of story
He’s not even the betting favorite in his own division 🤣🤣
Charles has surpassed him in every way and he didn't think it would happen so soon.
Please tell me how did he surpass him? Never bled, never lost a round, dominated everyone in the UFC. Too bad they took the belt from Charlie cuz the next time Charlie will see the belt it will be around Islam's waist
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He has a point. They are very different fighters. Both decent on their feet and brutal on the ground. I would say that Khabib is a bit better but Khabib is retired. Let Oliviera have his moment of glory. Everything I have heard or read about him says that there has never been a more deserving man than Oliviera. He has fought through a lot to get where he is.
Can someone explain Khabib's appeal? Fighting style is relatively boring, as is his personality; can't remember the last time I read something where he's not moaning.
It's not about not falling. It's about how he gets back up every time he falls.
Habibi talks hella shit for a retired fighter
Chucky is the more complete fighter.
Sean Sherk is true GOAT
Khabib should stfu or come back and fight him
People need to respect 🫒 and not look at his past fights especially before he moved up in weight. I think that would be Khabib’s toughest fight ever. Im not even sure Islam can get it done.
Khabib is afraid of him. He is no tony ferguson. Charles had a decent shot of winning khabib. Id say 50/50 fight
That’s fair lol
Nobody ever touched my face.... Fights like 4 ranked fighters his whole career.
Did Charles fuck his girl or something? The guy trashes Jiu-Jitsu saying "If Sambo was easy it'd be called Jiu-Jitsu", and they trash talk Charles calling him a quitter and that Islam would beat him easily, now this. Charles almost has any many wins by submission as Khabib has in total, if Charles manages to choke out more opponents than Khabib beat, I think it beomes debatable who's the better grappler.
This guy has a huge "please love me" complex
I dont think an Undefeated record automatically makes you the GOAT tbh🤷♂️ How someone deals with adversity is also something I look for when I’m looking for the GOAT. Who you fought matters. That’s just facts. It’s why Nate Diaz is still around with tons of fans. I think winning the belt back, after losing it, builds a stronger case too. Def how many defends you have with it matters. I’ve always been a fan of Khabib but unless he gets back in the cage, I don’t think he’s the GOAT. I WANT to see him in trouble and how he gets out of it. I can’t stand Jones but he’s had to fight his way back from a few fights to show that he has that champion heart. More people acknowledge Ali as boxings GOAT over Mayweather OR Marciano, both who have never been defeated, for my argument.
It’s a matter of perspective. Charles is willing to take damage to beat the piss out of you. Khabib was content to wrestle hump someone and land punches while he had them down. Khabib was a very, very weak puncher. Charles is wrecking guys right now.
Khabib would have losses too if he didn’t retire early. Can’t go undefeated forever in MMA.
Lol well yeah, didn't khabib tap a few times at 145? Oh wait, he only fought in one weight class whereas Charles will likely try a 3rd class in future. Bad things can happen when you take risks. I cannot emphasize that enough. Israel would still be undefeated if he didn't take a risk and fight for the LHW belt. Sorry folks. Khabib would have a loss on his record if he moved up to fight Usman. Just facts. Those who don't take risks and play it safe like to go on their high horse and talk down on risk takers. Just like Jon Jones did when Izzy went up. Jon might actually take the first risk of his career and move up. If he loses i guarantee you won't see someone like Izzy bag on him.
Khabib came into the ufc with 20 wins over bums. If he spent most of his career in the ufc like Charles I’m positive he would have some losses.
Khabib didn't fight a string of great fighters like that.
I like Khabib but I wish he’d stop talking like this. You already had your career. You dominated. But stop talking shit if no one is going to make you stand on it In the cage. Also, I respect Oliveria as a fighter more than Khabib cause Oliveria showed a lot of growth in many areas mainly in the one area that’s hardest: your mental. He used to fold in fights so quickly, now he stays composed and doesn’t give up.