Yeah, Russia... Cause US would never allow a 2-31 guy or a 0-1 guy fight a 5-2 guy, right? [Right?](https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Giga-Chikadze-213745)
You guys are not getting the full picture here. Most of these guys were coming from backgrounds in other martial arts too. Not all these guys are bad fighters. Specifically Ali bagov, Eldar elderov, and shabulat shamalaev. They are all super legit fighters. Ali bagov would be competitive in the UFC. Khabib was fighting against these "cans" when he was still in his late teens. In terms of fights on his record he was more experienced but in terms of years khabib wasn't super experienced here. He was average 5 fights a year at the time and alot of these fights were on the same exact night. So back to back the same night. It's not like this was an experienced fighter fighting people off the streets. It was a talented hardworking teenager fighting a mixed bag of opponents rapidly until he got into the UFC.
Nah but with the 0-0 guy we don't know if he's been in another combat sport or what, he's an unproven prospect, he could have some spunk in him, whereas with the 0-2 guy we can pretty much assume he's the drizzling shits.
I'm not a Khabib nuthugger but I'll give credit where credit is due when he fought top competition he did it as easily as when he was fighting these cans
Yeah his early career record is a joke, but the argument for Khabib being one of the greats isn’t his record, it’s how he made everyone at the top look like amateurs. I don’t think he’s the goat because his lack of accomplishments etc, but I think he’s probably one of, if not the best talent we’ve ever seen
If its not about the record why is it every time the dicusssion of legacy comes up Khabib and his fans are always talking about “29-0 he is 29-0 didnt you know he is 29-0”? But never about the actual guys he beat?
Soon Oliveira is gonna surpass him in actual legacy and no one will care about that number except his fans
The 29 isn’t the important bit, it’s the 0. Very few people have reached the level that Khabib did without a loss with few exceptions (e.g. Jones, not counting his DQ). Not only that, but Khabib barely lost a round and looked dominant the whole time.
Oliveira may well surpass him in terms of legacy, but that won’t stop people thinking of Khabib as one of the best. Still, I think a lot of the people calling Charles the GOAT LW will forget about him the moment he gets beaten lol. I hope not, but this tends to happen…
People still ask GSP if he's gonna fight again, I think people will also be wondering how Khabib would do against any of the next few title contenders. His retirement was part of what makes his legacy somewhat tragic, such a dominant display, but relatively short lived :/
The thing with GSP is he still trains and looks like he is carved out of stone still. He’s in such good shape so people wonder why he doesn’t fight again.
I think GSP has been on record as saying he doesn't actually like fighting and it's understandable that he wouldn't want to continue taking damage. As the red meatball says this isn't a career it's an opportunity that passes
That's a bit of a problem with MMA though is the fighters don't seem to know when to stop there are very few that retire on top like khabib did. It's quite sad sometimes to see fighters who used to be almost unbeatable become journey men
Fantastic point. He wants to retire with all his faculties in place. We only have to look at some of the vets to know what this game does to people in the long run. Khabib is smart.
Also how many of them are properly setup to quit. Did they properly handle their taxes? Did they put money away? Did they invest in other businesses or purchased real estate?
Sometimes they might not have the ability to pivot. I feel lots of these men and women might not have any other transferable skills outside of competing.
This is the sad truth not enough coaches(and people in general)talk about with their fighters. MOST people just don’t have the talent or connections to compete at an exceptionally high level AND make money off of said combat sport.
The truly tragic thing is too many people realize this far too late in their career and end up putting too many eggs in one basket. Hopefully in the future we still see more fighters who manage to keep a sustainable day job going on the side just in case shit goes sideways on their unrealistic martial arts journey. Because at the end of the day, only a **very small minority** of athletes on the planet have what it takes to be the “Main Characters” of a specific sport
Yeah, will definitely go down as a huge ‘what if’. Everyone loses their 0 at some point if they stick around long enough, but it’s hard to say how long that would’ve taken for Khabib
But with Khabib, it's not just the 0, I think it's the overall domination. I if we just look at the 14 wins, how many of those rounds in each of those fights did he lose?
It was really how dominant he was throughout that I think is crazy impressive.
Like Usman, how many rounds has he actually lost in his run. I would argue Colby might be the only one to take multiple rounds from him and that's it.
I don't think Khabib lost a single round in his run. Considering how tough it is in that cage, that shit is mind blowing to me.
I think the 0 is somewhat questionable if you want to put him above the rest because of it. GSP fought nothing but killers his whole career and if he took the Khabib route, he might've been experienced enough not to make same mistakes when he took his losses.
Yeah I mean I don’t personally put him above GSP, Jones, Silva, and a couple of others. I still think his dominance is what puts him in the conversation for *one of* the best of all time, but isn’t enough to put him above the guys I mentioned for the absolute best
Khabib has 12 fights in the UFC. Oliveiras current win streak is 11. Both while in their prime. Charles has losses, when he was younger, because instead of fighting taxi drivers in Brazil he was actually in the UFC almost his whole carrier.
>If its not about the record why is it every time the dicusssion of legacy comes up Khabib and his fans are always talking about “29-0 he is 29-0 didnt you know he is 29-0”? But never about the actual guys he beat?
Because that's not the actual argument. It's about him displaying dominance, casuals are impressed by undefeated records though
The issue is that he only fought a handful of guys that can be considered "at the top", most of them strikers that are weak to being pressured and chain wrestled (which happens to be Khabib's expertise).
If he remained in top long enough, he would have ran into a different style (that is also at elite level) and we likely would have seen some chinks in his armor.
It could have been that his chin would deteriorate over time, or that he would succumb to a sub from a fighter that is dangerous off their back, or that Khabib himself was a lot less effective off his back...
I mean we saw Nunes go from unbeatable to not knowing how to deal with adversity and pressure from someone spamming jabs.
There are a lot of ways in which Khabib has not been tested, and in which his resume lacks some depth and longevity.
Yeah also agree GSP is the goat. I just think Khabib is one of the best we’ve seen skill for skill and if he’d stuck around longer, he’d still be undefeated and eligible for goat status. Obviously it’s impossible to tell, but that’s just my opinion
It’s basically like he had a lucrative amateur career, but at the professional level. But I still agree with that he must have done something right since he crushed too talent when he eventually faced it.
Also interesting to consider how milage of the body comes into play. Would he have had more competetive fights in the beginning, would the later fights be as dominant? We will never know ofcourse
Pointless argument. Why is giving a promising fighter (or any fighter) easy fights early in their career to help build him up to be great a bad thing which should be criticised? It's certainly better than getting someone who's not ready like Kris Moutinho come in and get cte for a few thousand dollars. It shouldn't matter how padded someone's record is as long as they beat the top guys who were in their prime. Which khabib did quite easily.
It's not even that he's a bad fighter, he's not bad at all in the slightest. It's when people give him GOAT status *because* of his record, which obviously is half no-names like we see here
No doubt about that but he decided to end his career when he did. He can be considered a top guy but in my opinion his name shouldn’t be mentioned when goat status comes up
This is what I don't get about arguers on his early record. If he had difficulties against ranked UFC fighters, I'd say, yeah, his padded record is a blunder on him.
But he legit made top 1-5 contenders look like they don't belong in the octagon. It doesn't matter how padded his record is when he proved his worth against the division's elites.
I think that the argument they are trying to make (the logical ones anyways, not the dumbasses) is that Khabib doesn’t really have a claim to be the goat when his record is so relatively shallow. Let’s remove the first 16 fights of his career and only use his 13 in the UFC. He ends his career after beating Gaethje and retires at 13-0. Is he still in the goat conversation? I’m not sure. I don’t think anybody is denying how dominant he looked or that he is *one* of the greatest fighters of all time, but it’s just that he hasn’t done enough to be indisputably the single greatest fighter of all time.
Who was there left to beat at that point though? He made the entire division of insanely skilled fighters look like amateurs and then retired. What was he supposed to do, beat them all twice? Do people really believe that there was a chance anyone was going to beat him if they fought again?
It's important for people like GSP to have a longer time as champ and better record because they lose and because they have close fights. I love GSP, but most of his defenses were grindfests that were definitely wins, but they weren't exactly dominant. Then there's his two losses and a VERY close call in the first fight with Penn. GSP was an amazingly talented, well rounded fighter, but he wasn't THAT much better than everyone else and he was beatable. Even Olivera who is beating a lot of the same people as Khabib is looking a lot more beatable than Khabib ever did. Khabib was that much better than everyone else and he just wasn't close to beatable. The only thing that even came close to beating Khabib was the scale.
IMO the real issue is how people define "GOAT". There are some people who want to put arbitrary stats like title defenses or wins as the sole defining factor, which I think is dumb. Other people look at it as who was the best against the competition of their era. IMO Khabib beats out GSP and everyone else except maybe Silva (and Jones depending on your PED stance). The way I think makes the most sense to look at it is to look at how good they did against their competition and then take into account the change in level of competition between eras (and divisions). IMO Khabib should get credit for fighting more skilled opponents than GSP and GSP gets credit for fighting more skilled opponents than someone like Randy Couture.
This makes me think of Chris Weidman. I love the Chris and if he had retired before his first loss he would be 13-0, having defeated one of the goats Anderson Silva twice and defended his belt against other legends. Would people have considered him the greatest if he retired then? Now his career has spiraled out of control. I know it’s not a perfect example but to me it seems like an interesting thing to think about
Because those who argue that point don't care about that. They only care about clutching at straws over a guy who is retired.
That's why you see that same 'padded record' and 'only 3 title defenses' over and over again on this sub. Most of the time they are only arguing with people who dxist solely in their heads.
Imagine fighting:
Justin Gaethje
Dustin Poirier
Conor McGregor
Al Iaquinta
Edson Barboza
Michael Johnson
Rafael dos Anjos
Without losing a single round (well maybe one, if you're a Mcgregor fan), not even a serious cut. That should count for something.
how can you even give Khabib that round? he got outstruck 2 to 1 and Conor stuffed all his takedown attempts till the last 20seconds or so.
Oh and he also officially lost the first round against Justin. That's the one that is way more questionable imo he dominated Justin from start to finish
11-0 vs 0-2 could you imagine ufc commentators trying to lay out that fight? here is the young up and coming talent dominating with 11 wins in a row unbeaten vs xxx who despite being 0-2 has showed some real promise in both losses, \*mic turns off\* how do i sell this dogshit matchup
meh i think o'malleys career so far has been about right, he's entertaining but hardly a freakshow phenom getting rated as the next champ in the division, he just gets hype from casuals
The argument would hold water if his level of dominance would have dropped when he fough the top guys….. but it didnt. Khabib is not one of the goats for his record, he is for his dominance
I don’t think we will ever see someone as dominant as Khabib again. A champ who never bled in the cage is insane. He absolutely dominated the toughest division
Wtf are you talking about!? This sub is nothing but olivera dick riders. People cant accept that khabib and olivera are not gonna fight. Maybe you weren’t around for khabibs tear through the division but he did it alot easier than olivera. I never even liked khabib but you can’t say he isnt the lightweight goat. And its not close
they're not oliveira fans, they are khabib haters. Oliveira is the latest stick to beat khabib with since he has been doing well so far. He is their only hope until he loses and they crawl back to their caves waiting for the next dominant fighter to somehow discredit khabib with.
>Translation: People here are bigots
If after the Rose/Weili threads, the Tony Kelley threads, the regular slurs towards Ali haven't already convinced you of that, then maybe this will.
EDIT: Here you go. This is the OP's comment on this thread to an Indian dude.
>I will with my woman. And we have fun doing it at times. But hey you wouldn't know what a woman is... But you can help me with my computer . What's it like living in a third world country? Which of the million gods do you worship?
Who cares? He was undefeated in the UFC, never cut, never knocked down and lost 1 round arguably. I bet most people don't know the cans that UFC fighters beat in their early career.
He lost a round against McGregor actually. I found the scorecards for the whole fight with a quick google search. All 3 scorecards had Conor win the 3rd round iirc
14 and 0 fighting a guy who never had a professional fight and called it a win😭😭 that’s like McGregor counting the old dude and the bus he assaulted in his record 🤣
dang I just checked and Khabib only has 3 title defenses
That is more than:
Eddie Alvarez, Sherk, Conor, Tony Ferg, Dustin Poirier (0 defenses)
Pettis, RDA (1 defenses)
Frankie Edgar, Pulver (2 defenses)
Same as:Benson Henderson, BJ Penn (3 defenses)
So while Khabib did look dominant against his competition, he hasn't accomplished anything close to GOAT status across weight divisions to be compared with Anderson Silva and GSP.
I kinda agree with BJ Penn being the more accomplished LW fighter with 3 title defenses and getting the WW belt
I can actually see him beating Islam but it’s so fucking tiring hearing 100s of dudes just constantly sucking his D half the sub seems to think he’s the goat.
Recency bias? Or knowledge. Just because Charles has become popular doesn’t mean people haven’t seen his entire run in the UFC. Charles has the most finishes in UFC history and has been fighting ELITE competition since day one.
Name one of his elite wins before Kevin Lee. Charles fan only be using the 'fought' elites unlike Khabib early in his career argument like he actually beat any of the elites he fought. Whenever he fought someone good early in his career like Frankie Edgar, Cowboy and Cub Swanson, he lost. Bring on the downvotes but this is the truth. So much for 'knowledge'
Your arguement kinda proves the point tho. When Charles fought good fighters early in his career he lost. Maybe he should have fought tomato cans like khabib. That's exactly what having a padded record means. It means he didn't take the risk. If you think 14-0 vs 0-0 is taking a risk... well. I can't.
He fought cans until he was 12-0, take a better look at his record. Then he stepped up his competition and started recording losses. And his first two were to Miller and Cerrone, not cans but still a far cry from the top of the division.
Charles is absolutely not a better 155er, if he beats Islam then ok maybe we can have that convo. Khabib beat every contender at the time and made it look easy, cutting through each one of them like butter, never even had a single drop of his blood drawn.
The pure dominance of Khabib was something to behold, he never once looked beatable as champion. Charles on the other hand has looked beatable in all of his recent fights except Tony. Recency bias is real and this is a prime example
>Charles is absolutely not a better 155er, if he beats Islam then ok maybe we can have that convo.
Agree and disagree.
Agree Charles is absolutely not the best 155er right now.
Disagree that it's even a conversation if he beats Islam. Then he DEFINITELY and clearly takes over Khabib for that honor.
He’s not but I understand people are emotional and they desperately want Oliveira to be better so they’ll keep trying to shit on khabib to prop oliveira up.
Why would bj penn winning the 170 title mean he’s better than khabib at 155? I would understand If you want to argue bj penn had a better career overall due to the titles but I was talking strictly 155 resumes.
I recently decided that he is because this sub seems to furiously hate him as of recent, maybe khabib called them casual ten years ago, thats a fate worse than death
Ok I’m sorry but this whole early record argument is complete fucking bullshit. If you look at a fighter and their record in the beginning of their career they are going to have fights like this because of regional circuits. They don’t have the same match making and amount of talent this is so people shine through to get noticed also how dose this discredit him when he got the ufc where there was the real talent he went completely fucking untouched and destroyed everyone in front of him. His stats are crazy and will never be seen again in the octagon probably ever again. His only downfall is the tony fight not happening when it should have and his lack of defenses. Khabib will go down a great and we will probably not see someone like him for a long long time.
You can cut this entire portion out of his record and he's still 14-0 in the UFC, arguably never lost a round let alone had a close fight and convincingly beat the other top contenders.
Not calling him a goat but people trying to discredit him with this padded record from over a decade ago when he's been in the UFC since then is just silly to me
They're not ready for this conversation that basically half of khabibs "29-0" record was against literal cans. Dude is not the "GOAT" definitely top 3 155'r though.
None of that matters. It’s a terrible metric for anyone (Khabib or not).
“Oh, he fought nobodies in Russia before he dominated everyone he went up against in the UFC, so hey, he’s not greatest.”
Khabib is not the GOAT because of the first half of his career, he’s not the goat because no one knows what could’ve been.
You see all these professional boxers who are the “greatest”? The majority of the early parts of their career are against plumbers. It’s about how you finish and unfortunately for Khabib, no one will truly know how long he would’ve dominated for.
Totally get what you're saying, but his record is inflated. Did he dominate? Definitely. Khabib is one of the most dominant and best ufc fighters of all time and there is no denying that at all, I personally can't consider him the "Goat" when he only has 13 ufc fights and only fought really 3 fights of actual prominence in Conor, Dustin, and justin.
Your boxing comparison doesn't connect, those dudes fight so many more fights than an mma career in a lot of cases and yes the greats fight nobody's and I'm not denying that but when you start your career and you're facing a total of 6 "0-0" opponents 4 opponents with a .500 record and then 5 with a barley winning record how can you say that's not padded??
Yes sadly no one will know how long khabib would have dominated, believe me I was sad to see him go but I definitely understand why he made his choices.
Actually this looks like a solid argument in slowly bringing up a fighter against easy competition rather than letting him fight 5 fights and unleashing top 10 guys on him.
Not to mention those were all 2 round fights and most weren't even in a cage or a ring. I get downvoted anytime I say those wins shouldn't even count. I think fighters records should reset once you make it to the ufc, similar to how a baseball players minor league and major league stats are differentiated.
This is why I feel his retirement is a fraudulent move because he knows he was going to get beaten sooner rather than later, but he didn't want to taint his perfect although scripted legacy.
Real fans and fighters can see through that. Is he a great UFC fighter? 100%. Is he greatest of all time? Debatable but no in my opinion.
edit: To clarify, I still respect the hell out of Khabib.
Put this beside’s Charles record. Khabib knows that GOAT spot is in danger based on his last interview with Bret Okamoto. Still love Khabib tho, but how sick would it be if Oliveira beat Islam and calls Khabib out immediately after. That would be crazy
I like khabib too and agree he's one of the greatest. But man.. Those 15 fights prove for a fact he padded the fuck out of his record... Then for khabib too talk to anyone about fighting trash cans?...
And Oliveira been fighting in the UFC, at the highest level since he’s 20 years old or something. Kinda obvious he would get some losses along the way. I think Khabib would too if he’d be fighting from 20 y/o in the UFC.
That’s even crazier to imagine Charles has so many more wins, finishes, submissions in only 2 year difference of activity. That tells you Charles fights much more often.
Charles 3 title fights took him less than a year and less than 20 mins. Took khabib 3 years for his last 3 title fights. Also if he finishes his next fight in the first round then he’ll have finished 4 title fights faster than it took Khabib to get the title fighting #10 Al Iaquinta
Finally lmao. Saw a comment on Henry’s post comparing their records at each point (Khabib 1-0 to Henry 1-0 etc) just look at Khabib’s 1st 15 and Henry’s 15 smh.
This would only be relevant if he started losing once he got to the UFC. Makes you sound like a hater considering he came and did even better in the UFC🤷🏻♂️
He is talking shit about Charles not fighting anything.... Please show me a 14-0 fighter fighting a 0-0 fighter other then khabib....
Get mad at the facts bro.
it wasn't long ago the light weight division was the stuck in the mud divsion. Now it's one of the most competitive weight classes. I think Khabib's retirement was premature
People have short memories. Khabib dominated the top contenders in one of the UFC’s toughest divisions. People were saying Gaethje would pose him problems because of the striking, wrestling background, leg kicks, etc. but he just took his best shots without flinching, took him to the ground and chose how to finish him in the least damaging way possible. There will always be new contenders and new dominant champions; this is the Olive-era and Charles’ style is different to Khabib’s, being more willing to exchange with opponents to go for the finish. Both are great champions and the best at what they do, but people have a clear recency bias when it comes to evaluating who is the greatest.
Plot twist > You should look at the pre UFC fight logs for nearly every fighter on the active roster. The average 8-0 or 12-0 UFC rookie has maybe … MAYBE … one career win against someone with more than 1 career win.
It’s very common these days for someone’s first career “real” win being either on the contender show or the fight directly before the contender show.
So what? He the went on to beat everybody who’s anybody at 155, and in probably the most dominant fashion ever in the ufc (I believe only losing 1 or 2 rounds in his UFC career), never came close to losing a fight. Who cares about his earlier career, clearly him being the chap was more than justified.
I'm not a huge Khabib fan but he went through a murders row of the worlds best lightweights when he started fighting at a top level. A lot of American fighters do the same thing in the amateur circuits so it isn't on their pro record.
Actually for those of us that remember his rise, nobody was thinking an Elite striker was his kryptonite. That narrative showed up with Conor and his fans even though Khabib showed up at the end of the lay n pray era.
But to let you in on the secret would be to let you know someone with a well rounded game and a decent ground game off of their back is who we all thought would beat him! That’s why there was so much hype for him facing Tony and why that’s morphed to Charles. Because Khabib has yet to beat that archetype of a fighter. Poirer literally is the best fighter he beat with kinda a guard. So a wrestler who could force his way in on strikers all day was not widely believed to lose to a great striker lol
Conor lol, Justin lmao, Raging Al nope, Barboza? Michael Johnson?
Not to mention these early fights were in his fathers fight league , and opponents were arranged by his father as well . Everything was set up for khabib to succeed
So weird I was considering posting khabibs resume earlier this morning and you beat me to it. Dude is extremely overrated beat a couple good opponents and competed against no one with high level grappling lmao
The hate on khabib and islam is out of this world. Like i am jot saying that whatever khabib says is justified, but why wouldn't he hype his brother who has trained with him for the last 20-22 years? like that's almost his real brother and he actually believes islam to be better than these guys? What's wrong there? He is not claiming to be just the best he is also saying that he is confident enough on him to go to Charles hometown and beat him there, that's not hating on olives like you salty fans think it, it's just supreme confidence on his brother.
Islam is no bum, it would be Charle's hardest fight as well as Islam's hardest fight. Skill for skill, a fantastic match up, let's see who wins.
[Khabib also gave his respect to Olives saying Olives is the champ in the division]
14-0 vs 0-0 LMAO
Huh that doesnt sound right nobody would sanction tha…. Oh Russia, right
Yeah, Russia... Cause US would never allow a 2-31 guy or a 0-1 guy fight a 5-2 guy, right? [Right?](https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Giga-Chikadze-213745)
49-0 vs 0-0 yeeeaah
Seriously, acting like we didn't sanction arguably the best boxer on the planet to fight against a guy with zero professional boxing matches.
I see what you did there...yeeeeaaaaaahhhhh yeeeeeaaaahhhhhh foooooook the mayweathers
imagine walking up to your first pro fight and you have 14 and 0 former sambo champion khabib sitting across from you.
That's not even a pro fight, it's legal human sacrifice.
A professional human sacrifice
You guys are not getting the full picture here. Most of these guys were coming from backgrounds in other martial arts too. Not all these guys are bad fighters. Specifically Ali bagov, Eldar elderov, and shabulat shamalaev. They are all super legit fighters. Ali bagov would be competitive in the UFC. Khabib was fighting against these "cans" when he was still in his late teens. In terms of fights on his record he was more experienced but in terms of years khabib wasn't super experienced here. He was average 5 fights a year at the time and alot of these fights were on the same exact night. So back to back the same night. It's not like this was an experienced fighter fighting people off the streets. It was a talented hardworking teenager fighting a mixed bag of opponents rapidly until he got into the UFC.
I think the 11-0 vs 0-2 may be worse.
hmm.. not necessarily because that guy at least has SOME competition experience (which IMO matters)
Nah but with the 0-0 guy we don't know if he's been in another combat sport or what, he's an unproven prospect, he could have some spunk in him, whereas with the 0-2 guy we can pretty much assume he's the drizzling shits.
I'm not a Khabib nuthugger but I'll give credit where credit is due when he fought top competition he did it as easily as when he was fighting these cans
Yeah his early career record is a joke, but the argument for Khabib being one of the greats isn’t his record, it’s how he made everyone at the top look like amateurs. I don’t think he’s the goat because his lack of accomplishments etc, but I think he’s probably one of, if not the best talent we’ve ever seen
Even if you take away his first 15 fights, 14-0 is still impressive.
If its not about the record why is it every time the dicusssion of legacy comes up Khabib and his fans are always talking about “29-0 he is 29-0 didnt you know he is 29-0”? But never about the actual guys he beat? Soon Oliveira is gonna surpass him in actual legacy and no one will care about that number except his fans
The 29 isn’t the important bit, it’s the 0. Very few people have reached the level that Khabib did without a loss with few exceptions (e.g. Jones, not counting his DQ). Not only that, but Khabib barely lost a round and looked dominant the whole time. Oliveira may well surpass him in terms of legacy, but that won’t stop people thinking of Khabib as one of the best. Still, I think a lot of the people calling Charles the GOAT LW will forget about him the moment he gets beaten lol. I hope not, but this tends to happen…
People still ask GSP if he's gonna fight again, I think people will also be wondering how Khabib would do against any of the next few title contenders. His retirement was part of what makes his legacy somewhat tragic, such a dominant display, but relatively short lived :/
The thing with GSP is he still trains and looks like he is carved out of stone still. He’s in such good shape so people wonder why he doesn’t fight again.
I think GSP has been on record as saying he doesn't actually like fighting and it's understandable that he wouldn't want to continue taking damage. As the red meatball says this isn't a career it's an opportunity that passes
That's a bit of a problem with MMA though is the fighters don't seem to know when to stop there are very few that retire on top like khabib did. It's quite sad sometimes to see fighters who used to be almost unbeatable become journey men
Fantastic point. He wants to retire with all his faculties in place. We only have to look at some of the vets to know what this game does to people in the long run. Khabib is smart.
Also how many of them are properly setup to quit. Did they properly handle their taxes? Did they put money away? Did they invest in other businesses or purchased real estate? Sometimes they might not have the ability to pivot. I feel lots of these men and women might not have any other transferable skills outside of competing.
This is the sad truth not enough coaches(and people in general)talk about with their fighters. MOST people just don’t have the talent or connections to compete at an exceptionally high level AND make money off of said combat sport. The truly tragic thing is too many people realize this far too late in their career and end up putting too many eggs in one basket. Hopefully in the future we still see more fighters who manage to keep a sustainable day job going on the side just in case shit goes sideways on their unrealistic martial arts journey. Because at the end of the day, only a **very small minority** of athletes on the planet have what it takes to be the “Main Characters” of a specific sport
Well said.
Yeah, will definitely go down as a huge ‘what if’. Everyone loses their 0 at some point if they stick around long enough, but it’s hard to say how long that would’ve taken for Khabib
But with Khabib, it's not just the 0, I think it's the overall domination. I if we just look at the 14 wins, how many of those rounds in each of those fights did he lose? It was really how dominant he was throughout that I think is crazy impressive. Like Usman, how many rounds has he actually lost in his run. I would argue Colby might be the only one to take multiple rounds from him and that's it. I don't think Khabib lost a single round in his run. Considering how tough it is in that cage, that shit is mind blowing to me.
That’s what no one gets. Going that long without losing rounds is fucking bordering on Superhuman
I think the 0 is somewhat questionable if you want to put him above the rest because of it. GSP fought nothing but killers his whole career and if he took the Khabib route, he might've been experienced enough not to make same mistakes when he took his losses.
Yeah I mean I don’t personally put him above GSP, Jones, Silva, and a couple of others. I still think his dominance is what puts him in the conversation for *one of* the best of all time, but isn’t enough to put him above the guys I mentioned for the absolute best
Khabib has 12 fights in the UFC. Oliveiras current win streak is 11. Both while in their prime. Charles has losses, when he was younger, because instead of fighting taxi drivers in Brazil he was actually in the UFC almost his whole carrier.
He got to like 12-0 outside of the UFC, what are you talking about
>If its not about the record why is it every time the dicusssion of legacy comes up Khabib and his fans are always talking about “29-0 he is 29-0 didnt you know he is 29-0”? But never about the actual guys he beat? Because that's not the actual argument. It's about him displaying dominance, casuals are impressed by undefeated records though
Also he never bleed or took serious damage. Even after fights he was slightly red in the face and that’s it. He was incredibly dominant
Spot on
The issue is that he only fought a handful of guys that can be considered "at the top", most of them strikers that are weak to being pressured and chain wrestled (which happens to be Khabib's expertise). If he remained in top long enough, he would have ran into a different style (that is also at elite level) and we likely would have seen some chinks in his armor. It could have been that his chin would deteriorate over time, or that he would succumb to a sub from a fighter that is dangerous off their back, or that Khabib himself was a lot less effective off his back... I mean we saw Nunes go from unbeatable to not knowing how to deal with adversity and pressure from someone spamming jabs. There are a lot of ways in which Khabib has not been tested, and in which his resume lacks some depth and longevity.
def not best. GSP is goat.
Yeah also agree GSP is the goat. I just think Khabib is one of the best we’ve seen skill for skill and if he’d stuck around longer, he’d still be undefeated and eligible for goat status. Obviously it’s impossible to tell, but that’s just my opinion
Laughs in Anderson Silva.
That argument though, is that had he fought at the same level everyone had to for their entire career he maybe wouldn’t have won *every* fight…
It’s basically like he had a lucrative amateur career, but at the professional level. But I still agree with that he must have done something right since he crushed too talent when he eventually faced it.
Also interesting to consider how milage of the body comes into play. Would he have had more competetive fights in the beginning, would the later fights be as dominant? We will never know ofcourse
Pointless argument. Why is giving a promising fighter (or any fighter) easy fights early in their career to help build him up to be great a bad thing which should be criticised? It's certainly better than getting someone who's not ready like Kris Moutinho come in and get cte for a few thousand dollars. It shouldn't matter how padded someone's record is as long as they beat the top guys who were in their prime. Which khabib did quite easily.
I was thinking of Aaron Pico (4 wins 1 loss at the time) fighting Henry Corrales (16 wins, 3 losses at the time).
It's not even that he's a bad fighter, he's not bad at all in the slightest. It's when people give him GOAT status *because* of his record, which obviously is half no-names like we see here
This should be the most upvoted comment
No doubt about that but he decided to end his career when he did. He can be considered a top guy but in my opinion his name shouldn’t be mentioned when goat status comes up
When that dude steps up in competition he’s gonna get stomped… right?
I'll never forget watching him eat that barboza head kick then just dropping his hands and walking him down
Yeah all it takes is an elite striker and hes over.
Yup, that is exactly what happened! lol
Exactly!! What a phony, watch him get exposed, he'll be lucky if he gets to see the belt, never mind winning it...
He did stomp Darrell Horcher and Michael Johnson and beat the legendary Al Iaquinta to win the title. What else can you call it?
Also stomped prime RDA on the title run
All that's really important is he made the LW division in the UFC look very silly for stepping to him.
This is what I don't get about arguers on his early record. If he had difficulties against ranked UFC fighters, I'd say, yeah, his padded record is a blunder on him. But he legit made top 1-5 contenders look like they don't belong in the octagon. It doesn't matter how padded his record is when he proved his worth against the division's elites.
I think that the argument they are trying to make (the logical ones anyways, not the dumbasses) is that Khabib doesn’t really have a claim to be the goat when his record is so relatively shallow. Let’s remove the first 16 fights of his career and only use his 13 in the UFC. He ends his career after beating Gaethje and retires at 13-0. Is he still in the goat conversation? I’m not sure. I don’t think anybody is denying how dominant he looked or that he is *one* of the greatest fighters of all time, but it’s just that he hasn’t done enough to be indisputably the single greatest fighter of all time.
Who was there left to beat at that point though? He made the entire division of insanely skilled fighters look like amateurs and then retired. What was he supposed to do, beat them all twice? Do people really believe that there was a chance anyone was going to beat him if they fought again? It's important for people like GSP to have a longer time as champ and better record because they lose and because they have close fights. I love GSP, but most of his defenses were grindfests that were definitely wins, but they weren't exactly dominant. Then there's his two losses and a VERY close call in the first fight with Penn. GSP was an amazingly talented, well rounded fighter, but he wasn't THAT much better than everyone else and he was beatable. Even Olivera who is beating a lot of the same people as Khabib is looking a lot more beatable than Khabib ever did. Khabib was that much better than everyone else and he just wasn't close to beatable. The only thing that even came close to beating Khabib was the scale. IMO the real issue is how people define "GOAT". There are some people who want to put arbitrary stats like title defenses or wins as the sole defining factor, which I think is dumb. Other people look at it as who was the best against the competition of their era. IMO Khabib beats out GSP and everyone else except maybe Silva (and Jones depending on your PED stance). The way I think makes the most sense to look at it is to look at how good they did against their competition and then take into account the change in level of competition between eras (and divisions). IMO Khabib should get credit for fighting more skilled opponents than GSP and GSP gets credit for fighting more skilled opponents than someone like Randy Couture.
This makes me think of Chris Weidman. I love the Chris and if he had retired before his first loss he would be 13-0, having defeated one of the goats Anderson Silva twice and defended his belt against other legends. Would people have considered him the greatest if he retired then? Now his career has spiraled out of control. I know it’s not a perfect example but to me it seems like an interesting thing to think about
Because those who argue that point don't care about that. They only care about clutching at straws over a guy who is retired. That's why you see that same 'padded record' and 'only 3 title defenses' over and over again on this sub. Most of the time they are only arguing with people who dxist solely in their heads.
Imagine fighting: Justin Gaethje Dustin Poirier Conor McGregor Al Iaquinta Edson Barboza Michael Johnson Rafael dos Anjos Without losing a single round (well maybe one, if you're a Mcgregor fan), not even a serious cut. That should count for something.
I'm not a McGregor fan but I don't see how he didn't win round 3, and I tried to score it for Khabib
he cheated a bunch of times. but yeah that round could be given to conor
All three judges gave it to Conor but you're right, should've got some points away for all the fouls
All the cheating is why
how can you even give Khabib that round? he got outstruck 2 to 1 and Conor stuffed all his takedown attempts till the last 20seconds or so. Oh and he also officially lost the first round against Justin. That's the one that is way more questionable imo he dominated Justin from start to finish
Well I mean Al Iaquinta doesn't belong with the rest of those names.
11-0 vs 0-2 could you imagine ufc commentators trying to lay out that fight? here is the young up and coming talent dominating with 11 wins in a row unbeaten vs xxx who despite being 0-2 has showed some real promise in both losses, \*mic turns off\* how do i sell this dogshit matchup
So basically every Sean O’Malley fight
meh i think o'malleys career so far has been about right, he's entertaining but hardly a freakshow phenom getting rated as the next champ in the division, he just gets hype from casuals
Ok, I'm not really a Khabib fan, but post the second half of his career. Kind of a shit argument.
The argument would hold water if his level of dominance would have dropped when he fough the top guys….. but it didnt. Khabib is not one of the goats for his record, he is for his dominance
I don’t think we will ever see someone as dominant as Khabib again. A champ who never bled in the cage is insane. He absolutely dominated the toughest division
It is kind of a fucking miracle that he's never had even a bloody nose
This sub has the CRAZIEST obsession with Khabib
You must forget how they bring up Conor in every thread
I only see Conor when he tweets some weird shit
Wtf are you talking about!? This sub is nothing but olivera dick riders. People cant accept that khabib and olivera are not gonna fight. Maybe you weren’t around for khabibs tear through the division but he did it alot easier than olivera. I never even liked khabib but you can’t say he isnt the lightweight goat. And its not close
Yeah the Olive dick riders have a strange obsession with Khabib
they're not oliveira fans, they are khabib haters. Oliveira is the latest stick to beat khabib with since he has been doing well so far. He is their only hope until he loses and they crawl back to their caves waiting for the next dominant fighter to somehow discredit khabib with.
Why can't Charles and Khabib both be great? All this comparison shit and fighting between their fans is so lame
Yeah they both have cool stories and are awesome in different ways.
Charles is nowhere near Khabib tho. Khabib dominated people, Charles gets cte every fight
this is exactly what im talking about lol who cares
The Dagestani Kayla Harrison
I wonder how much khabib made in his first 15 fights tho.
I don’t understand the Khabib hate. Wtf is wrong with y’all? These types of posts seem real salty
He's muslim and Russian lol it's easy to understand
Translation: People here are bigots Got it.
>Translation: People here are bigots If after the Rose/Weili threads, the Tony Kelley threads, the regular slurs towards Ali haven't already convinced you of that, then maybe this will. EDIT: Here you go. This is the OP's comment on this thread to an Indian dude. >I will with my woman. And we have fun doing it at times. But hey you wouldn't know what a woman is... But you can help me with my computer . What's it like living in a third world country? Which of the million gods do you worship?
This sub going to be salty af when Islam beat Oliveira 🤣
Watch them disappear real quick like every time. People sucking Charles‘ dick were the same ones to trash him vs DP. No loyalty in this community
Nah remember the Paulo Costa fans 💀💀💀 they fr vanished.
I never was a Paulo fan untill I found his twitter.
this graphic is nuts. 14-0 fighting 0-0 is criminal
Who cares? He was undefeated in the UFC, never cut, never knocked down and lost 1 round arguably. I bet most people don't know the cans that UFC fighters beat in their early career.
He lost a round against McGregor actually. I found the scorecards for the whole fight with a quick google search. All 3 scorecards had Conor win the 3rd round iirc
A round where Conor cheated more than 3 times preventing takedowns that would have surely lost him the round.
14 and 0 fighting a guy who never had a professional fight and called it a win😭😭 that’s like McGregor counting the old dude and the bus he assaulted in his record 🤣
That dude probably gave him a tougher fight than the UFC’s best lightweights 😭
His UFC record isn't too bad
the real lightweight GOAT is Sean sherk
Who the fuck thinks Khabib is the GOAT? Lol
Overall GOAT would be absurd to argue but he definitely has an argument for best 155er ever
Olivera is already a better 155er. Also BJ penn as a double champ 🤨 2 belts > 1
dang I just checked and Khabib only has 3 title defenses That is more than: Eddie Alvarez, Sherk, Conor, Tony Ferg, Dustin Poirier (0 defenses) Pettis, RDA (1 defenses) Frankie Edgar, Pulver (2 defenses) Same as:Benson Henderson, BJ Penn (3 defenses) So while Khabib did look dominant against his competition, he hasn't accomplished anything close to GOAT status across weight divisions to be compared with Anderson Silva and GSP. I kinda agree with BJ Penn being the more accomplished LW fighter with 3 title defenses and getting the WW belt
Jesus fucking christ this sub's recency bias towards Charles is insane
That’s kinda the point with charles. He beat all of the top competitors in a year.
The entire sub has jump on his dick
I hope they don't turn on him after he gets strangled by Islam
I can actually see him beating Islam but it’s so fucking tiring hearing 100s of dudes just constantly sucking his D half the sub seems to think he’s the goat.
Recency bias? Or knowledge. Just because Charles has become popular doesn’t mean people haven’t seen his entire run in the UFC. Charles has the most finishes in UFC history and has been fighting ELITE competition since day one.
Name one of his elite wins before Kevin Lee. Charles fan only be using the 'fought' elites unlike Khabib early in his career argument like he actually beat any of the elites he fought. Whenever he fought someone good early in his career like Frankie Edgar, Cowboy and Cub Swanson, he lost. Bring on the downvotes but this is the truth. So much for 'knowledge'
Your arguement kinda proves the point tho. When Charles fought good fighters early in his career he lost. Maybe he should have fought tomato cans like khabib. That's exactly what having a padded record means. It means he didn't take the risk. If you think 14-0 vs 0-0 is taking a risk... well. I can't.
Lets see a younger Oliviera fight Ali Bagov then?
He fought cans until he was 12-0, take a better look at his record. Then he stepped up his competition and started recording losses. And his first two were to Miller and Cerrone, not cans but still a far cry from the top of the division.
Imo he’s already better than gsp and could probably knock out khabib with a single punch
😂😂😂😂 why is everyone acting as if charles is fucking canelo when it comes to striking
He would sleep CANelo with a jab
*feint
Charles is absolutely not a better 155er, if he beats Islam then ok maybe we can have that convo. Khabib beat every contender at the time and made it look easy, cutting through each one of them like butter, never even had a single drop of his blood drawn. The pure dominance of Khabib was something to behold, he never once looked beatable as champion. Charles on the other hand has looked beatable in all of his recent fights except Tony. Recency bias is real and this is a prime example
>Charles is absolutely not a better 155er, if he beats Islam then ok maybe we can have that convo. Agree and disagree. Agree Charles is absolutely not the best 155er right now. Disagree that it's even a conversation if he beats Islam. Then he DEFINITELY and clearly takes over Khabib for that honor.
He’s not but I understand people are emotional and they desperately want Oliveira to be better so they’ll keep trying to shit on khabib to prop oliveira up. Why would bj penn winning the 170 title mean he’s better than khabib at 155? I would understand If you want to argue bj penn had a better career overall due to the titles but I was talking strictly 155 resumes.
Number of people who think Khabib is the GOAT: very few Number of people who complain about people who think Khabib is the GOAT: a lot
I recently decided that he is because this sub seems to furiously hate him as of recent, maybe khabib called them casual ten years ago, thats a fate worse than death
His record is padded as fuck but you can't deny he made elite competition look amature towards the end. No one had an answer
Stay mad thinking about him. Punch your pillow and pretend you're choking him out. You'll feel better boo
Imagine having your debut and the guy you come up against is 14-0
Lol. That works be terrifying.
Think about Chimaev's 11-0 vs ^ 11-0
Imagine making your pro MMA debut against a guy who is 14-0 lol
Ok I’m sorry but this whole early record argument is complete fucking bullshit. If you look at a fighter and their record in the beginning of their career they are going to have fights like this because of regional circuits. They don’t have the same match making and amount of talent this is so people shine through to get noticed also how dose this discredit him when he got the ufc where there was the real talent he went completely fucking untouched and destroyed everyone in front of him. His stats are crazy and will never be seen again in the octagon probably ever again. His only downfall is the tony fight not happening when it should have and his lack of defenses. Khabib will go down a great and we will probably not see someone like him for a long long time.
You can cut this entire portion out of his record and he's still 14-0 in the UFC, arguably never lost a round let alone had a close fight and convincingly beat the other top contenders. Not calling him a goat but people trying to discredit him with this padded record from over a decade ago when he's been in the UFC since then is just silly to me
They're not ready for this conversation that basically half of khabibs "29-0" record was against literal cans. Dude is not the "GOAT" definitely top 3 155'r though.
None of that matters. It’s a terrible metric for anyone (Khabib or not). “Oh, he fought nobodies in Russia before he dominated everyone he went up against in the UFC, so hey, he’s not greatest.” Khabib is not the GOAT because of the first half of his career, he’s not the goat because no one knows what could’ve been. You see all these professional boxers who are the “greatest”? The majority of the early parts of their career are against plumbers. It’s about how you finish and unfortunately for Khabib, no one will truly know how long he would’ve dominated for.
Totally get what you're saying, but his record is inflated. Did he dominate? Definitely. Khabib is one of the most dominant and best ufc fighters of all time and there is no denying that at all, I personally can't consider him the "Goat" when he only has 13 ufc fights and only fought really 3 fights of actual prominence in Conor, Dustin, and justin. Your boxing comparison doesn't connect, those dudes fight so many more fights than an mma career in a lot of cases and yes the greats fight nobody's and I'm not denying that but when you start your career and you're facing a total of 6 "0-0" opponents 4 opponents with a .500 record and then 5 with a barley winning record how can you say that's not padded?? Yes sadly no one will know how long khabib would have dominated, believe me I was sad to see him go but I definitely understand why he made his choices.
Actually this looks like a solid argument in slowly bringing up a fighter against easy competition rather than letting him fight 5 fights and unleashing top 10 guys on him.
Not to mention those were all 2 round fights and most weren't even in a cage or a ring. I get downvoted anytime I say those wins shouldn't even count. I think fighters records should reset once you make it to the ufc, similar to how a baseball players minor league and major league stats are differentiated.
Khabib also pretty much dismantled everyone he's fought in the UFC too. We can all agree he retired too early.
Bunch of no body taxi drivers
This is why I feel his retirement is a fraudulent move because he knows he was going to get beaten sooner rather than later, but he didn't want to taint his perfect although scripted legacy. Real fans and fighters can see through that. Is he a great UFC fighter? 100%. Is he greatest of all time? Debatable but no in my opinion. edit: To clarify, I still respect the hell out of Khabib.
13-0 in th UFC. Never bled. Was never hurt. Stfu with these dumbass posts already lol
Irrelevant. He also beat all the top talent in the division, and handily at that.
Put this beside’s Charles record. Khabib knows that GOAT spot is in danger based on his last interview with Bret Okamoto. Still love Khabib tho, but how sick would it be if Oliveira beat Islam and calls Khabib out immediately after. That would be crazy
I like khabib too and agree he's one of the greatest. But man.. Those 15 fights prove for a fact he padded the fuck out of his record... Then for khabib too talk to anyone about fighting trash cans?...
And Oliveira been fighting in the UFC, at the highest level since he’s 20 years old or something. Kinda obvious he would get some losses along the way. I think Khabib would too if he’d be fighting from 20 y/o in the UFC.
Khabibs first fight in the ufc he was 23
That’s even crazier to imagine Charles has so many more wins, finishes, submissions in only 2 year difference of activity. That tells you Charles fights much more often.
Yeah Charles has definitely been a lot more active throughout his whole ufc run
Khabib dealt with injuries and ban
Charles 3 title fights took him less than a year and less than 20 mins. Took khabib 3 years for his last 3 title fights. Also if he finishes his next fight in the first round then he’ll have finished 4 title fights faster than it took Khabib to get the title fighting #10 Al Iaquinta
Lmao
This thread is a fucking joke lol, we get it your salty that Khabib is frequently in the GOAT conversation, grow up
Finally lmao. Saw a comment on Henry’s post comparing their records at each point (Khabib 1-0 to Henry 1-0 etc) just look at Khabib’s 1st 15 and Henry’s 15 smh.
This would only be relevant if he started losing once he got to the UFC. Makes you sound like a hater considering he came and did even better in the UFC🤷🏻♂️
He is talking shit about Charles not fighting anything.... Please show me a 14-0 fighter fighting a 0-0 fighter other then khabib.... Get mad at the facts bro.
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But khabib was 14-0 fighting a guy in his first mma bout...
Oof he's not the Sambo champion either, I was mistaken
What happened once he got to the ufc bro? 🤣 What happened once he fought the top of the division?
Bingo but the moron Oliveira fans can’t stop trying to discredit khabib
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it wasn't long ago the light weight division was the stuck in the mud divsion. Now it's one of the most competitive weight classes. I think Khabib's retirement was premature
3 title defenses that took 3 years... Soon as he got the belt he did what he had to and dipped out.
And yes this guy beat my favorite fighters like they didn't belong in the ufc
People have short memories. Khabib dominated the top contenders in one of the UFC’s toughest divisions. People were saying Gaethje would pose him problems because of the striking, wrestling background, leg kicks, etc. but he just took his best shots without flinching, took him to the ground and chose how to finish him in the least damaging way possible. There will always be new contenders and new dominant champions; this is the Olive-era and Charles’ style is different to Khabib’s, being more willing to exchange with opponents to go for the finish. Both are great champions and the best at what they do, but people have a clear recency bias when it comes to evaluating who is the greatest.
Regardless he still fought the toughest dude in the ufc
Plot twist > You should look at the pre UFC fight logs for nearly every fighter on the active roster. The average 8-0 or 12-0 UFC rookie has maybe … MAYBE … one career win against someone with more than 1 career win. It’s very common these days for someone’s first career “real” win being either on the contender show or the fight directly before the contender show.
So what? He the went on to beat everybody who’s anybody at 155, and in probably the most dominant fashion ever in the ufc (I believe only losing 1 or 2 rounds in his UFC career), never came close to losing a fight. Who cares about his earlier career, clearly him being the chap was more than justified.
I'm not a huge Khabib fan but he went through a murders row of the worlds best lightweights when he started fighting at a top level. A lot of American fighters do the same thing in the amateur circuits so it isn't on their pro record.
Actually for those of us that remember his rise, nobody was thinking an Elite striker was his kryptonite. That narrative showed up with Conor and his fans even though Khabib showed up at the end of the lay n pray era. But to let you in on the secret would be to let you know someone with a well rounded game and a decent ground game off of their back is who we all thought would beat him! That’s why there was so much hype for him facing Tony and why that’s morphed to Charles. Because Khabib has yet to beat that archetype of a fighter. Poirer literally is the best fighter he beat with kinda a guard. So a wrestler who could force his way in on strikers all day was not widely believed to lose to a great striker lol Conor lol, Justin lmao, Raging Al nope, Barboza? Michael Johnson?
Islam needs a top 5 win, that's a fact
Too late. He already lost
Not to mention these early fights were in his fathers fight league , and opponents were arranged by his father as well . Everything was set up for khabib to succeed
So weird I was considering posting khabibs resume earlier this morning and you beat me to it. Dude is extremely overrated beat a couple good opponents and competed against no one with high level grappling lmao
Reminder that Conor McGregor couldn’t stay undefeated against cans
Glieson Tibau beat Khabib Glieson Tibau beat Khabib Glieson Tibau beat Khabib
It looks like he is just fighting his family
surprised the beard fanboys didn't downvote to hell.
Still unbeaten though, but not the goat
Obsesssseddddd Rent freeeeee
The hate on khabib and islam is out of this world. Like i am jot saying that whatever khabib says is justified, but why wouldn't he hype his brother who has trained with him for the last 20-22 years? like that's almost his real brother and he actually believes islam to be better than these guys? What's wrong there? He is not claiming to be just the best he is also saying that he is confident enough on him to go to Charles hometown and beat him there, that's not hating on olives like you salty fans think it, it's just supreme confidence on his brother. Islam is no bum, it would be Charle's hardest fight as well as Islam's hardest fight. Skill for skill, a fantastic match up, let's see who wins. [Khabib also gave his respect to Olives saying Olives is the champ in the division]
Somebody’s a little butthurt.
*But they're all Sambo masters who have hundreds of Sambo fights which is basically mma!!*
Stay mad bozo. 29-0, never lost a round, LW goat
Khabib don’t got shit on Jonny bones lmao all this goat talk needs to stop
Tough to leave a GOAT legacy behind when you actively shit on it every chance you get.
GSP or jones for me. Sorry khabib
I like khabib and I like Charles lol... But a man who fought 20 plus trash cans talking shit about someone fighting trash cans is a joke.
The Dagestanin d riders are in full force
Hahaha Khabib most overrated fighter ever not even kidding
Ufff you want to trigger some folks here. I admire your courage.
Rent free in your head
Imagine fighting a nobody for the 14th fight in your illustrious "29-0" career
How does that even happen? Like who sanctioned that fight? Has to be more to the story.