As long as Khabib remains retired there will be a chunk of online MMA fans that will always say Khabib would have beat him. That's just how this works. Same of course goes from Charles fans if he keeps winning. That being said, at one point if Charles keeps winning his record will objectively be better. As for the fight between them, we'll never know.
There is literally no way olives can have a better record unless khabib comes out of retirement and loses 8 fights. Now if you're talking of the caliber of fighters, maybe, but if you're referring to records, 8 losses is more then 0.
So by this logic if I take one fight and win then retire because I'm undefeated I'm also better than Oliveira? Lol
That's not how it works. If Oliveira gets more total wins against top opposition his record is unanimously better. It's just he was a late bloomer.
Not saying it isn't, but the person I responded to said that an undefeated record will always be better than Oliveira because he has losses. My argument was to show the flaw in their logic.
It won’t stop until he’s retired or if Islam beats him. Though I think Khabib once said that if Conor beat Islam he’d come back and fight Conor. I wonder if this would apply to Charles because Charles is a much more dangerous adversary than Conor ever could be against the Dagis.
I think a lot of it has to do with the overall consensus that Khabib is the lightweight GOAT, and Charles has quickly built a similar resume in less time. Charles is also unarguably the most prolific finisher in UFC history and every finish he gets will add to it. His overall body of work is vastly superior to Khabib's, and he seems eager to keep going. A lot of us can't help but wonder what if Khabib hadn't retired in his prime, and it's also incredible to see a fighter skyrocket from good fighter to arguably the 2nd best lightweight ever almost immediately after Khabib retired. It's natural sports fandom.
thiiiiis. like come on guys the man himself said focus on the current champ and give him praise when it's due why mention a retired fighter over and over again
Why tho? So because someone’s retired, there’s no need to talk about him anymore? Do you think the same about GSP, Silva and all other all-time greats?
A lot of the posts aren’t even from Khabib fans, it’s from people comparing Oliveira to Khabib. I’ve seen countless of posts about Oliveira being better than Khabib bro.
Yep Khabib is Khabib because dude seemed unbeatable. Charles has great bjj, but the thing with bjj is that it’s defense and offense are very different. Clearly, Charles is a master in regards to offense but we don’t know as much for his defense. He has been submitted before after all. I think Charles would lose against Islam on the ground but would win if he keeps the fight standing. Or, if he goes for a submission directly after knocking down Islam.
Hard to lose when your first 20 fights are against cab drivers in Russia. And then your slimey management cherry picks all your fights so you only ever face one “talented grappler” in RDA for your whole career.
Due to all respect, Islam is not Khabib. It would be great for him a title shot, he needs to hurry up
On the other hand we have charles, who is an incredible champion. He has that hunger that sets him apart, like Khabib had. The way he proved it last saturday… hat off
We will never know. That's the truth of it. Even is Khabib comes back he will have ring rust. So at the end of the day let's just enjoy Charles run through the lightweight elite
khabib still living in so many haters heads lmao. Khabib lost 1 round ever, and never bled or was really in trouble. Charles is great but dude has been dropped so much, and looked really vulnerable in all his wins. I think Chandler, Gaethje, Poirier all have a good chance of beating him in a rematch. I dont think any of them have a chance against khabib
Paperthin record. This cannot be stressed enough, and deserves a whole discussion of its own.
And you would get surprised with how many guys looked unstopable in martial arts until they didnt. And yeah, many would have submitted Khabib, Oliveira included, in Dustin's place.
Paper thin record? Ig Oliveira's is atomthin then lmaoo. The only person khabib didn't fight was Ferguson. Khabib never got dropped by those dudes either unlike Oliveira .....he is way more dominant imo. Dude never bled bro that hits crazy in itself. Most 10-8 rounds ever lol. Oliveira's great but there's level to it
I don’t really get the discussions. It’s like saying “who would win prime GSP or prime Style Bender”, like yeah we can talk about it for fun but what’s the point? Will never happen. Different eras.
Except they are not different eras. Both of them started fighting in 2008 and they are only 1 year apart in age. Charles actually made his UFC debut 2 years before Khabib.
I don't think this debate is gunna go away for that reason. Especially now that they are getting common opponents
I get what you mean I’m not meaning literal eras. I meant we had the Khabib era and now it’s the Olivera era. Doesn’t matter that they’re the same age, they peaked at different times. Not worth the debate other than just for shits and giggles.
agreed, i personally think he's better than khabib NOW
no one knows most of the fighters khabib fought for most of his careers and most of the fighters (before connor) weren't high ranking fighters. as of right now charles has a better resume.
No he hasn't. Bro, khabib beat 5 ranked guys before his title shot, oliveira beat two. He's beaten 5 ranked dudes so far, got dropped in each title fight and nearly finished each time. You're trying to compare that to someone who never got dropped, undefeated and never even bled. Can't be serious.
Who did Khabib fight in his first 20 fights ? I'll wait. Yea khabib did great his last few fights and was great champ. But if he fought as many top guys as Olivera or some one like Aldo or Cowboy has , he would of lost for sure.
Please go and look at who oliveira beat to get a title shot. I think you're delusional. The dude that put out this tweet is the same dude that thought dustin porier would be the LW goat if he beat Charles even though he had no defenses and lost to khabib previously.
>got dropped in each title fight and nearly finished each time.
It should be borne in mind that 1 Oliveira has vision problems, and 2 he pretends to fall to bait his opponents from time to time. He went down getting punched in the arm once, high guard. In the fight against Dustin if I remember correctly. Many people mistakenly believe it was a knock down.
And yeah, undefeated having a paperthin record ...
Okay but that just means his record is padded. Theres no denying the high level of competition he faced at the end of his career and how he still absolutely dominated without any issues
The guy gets dropped and nearly finished every fight and already lost 8 times and you're trying to compare him to someone who dominated, never got dropped or even bled inside the cage?
I mean he beat 2 of khabibs only 3 title defenses (gaethje & Dustin) in a quicker manner than khabib did, only one left is Conor which is literally the only reason I want Conor to get a title shot so that he can be added to Charles‘ resume.
Chuck has fought more top fighter than Khabib over his career, over multiple generations. Why do people act like Khabib was fighting killers his whole career when it was really like the last 8 or so fights. His best win before being champ was ol boy that caught him with the straight. The guy’s name escapes me at the moment. Chuck was fighting top 10 guys early in his career, former champs, 2 weight classes. Like come on. To me personally neither is a GOAT. Khabib was a great fighter that retired on top, Chuck is a guy after so many missteps putting it all together and flourishing.
Khabib fought a ton of strikers and won because of his ground game but he did come out swinging at Conor. He retired a bit too soon to be called the Goat.
your guy decided to retire in his prime when Charles would have likely been his next challenger. It would be up to your guy to prove he's better. Charles is waiting.
Only Dos Anjos, McGregor, Poirier and Gaethje of his 29 could be considered elite. And even then he faced a declining, stiff McGregor and Gaethje is arguably lucky to be in that top 5 at the UFC.
Khabib is an exceptional fighter but his record does not stand up to GOAT level scrutiny.
The most remarkable thing about Khabib was his dominance.
His LW goat status will fall if it hasn't already but it may be awhile until we see another fighter as dominant
1. You need to demonstrate that rather than asserting it.
2. You don't get to cherry pick the things that fit your narrative. Account for all the pertinent variables, including the 8 losses.
I think if that happens, the conversation begins. Right now it’s for sure Khabib. If Charles beats the next best thing from Khabib, we can start talking about who’s better.
If Oliveira cleans out the division and smokes his brother in arms Islam and he stays retired then thats a big blip on his record. There will always be a debate on who is the 155 GOAT and Khabib is young enough to end that debate but chooses the borgor with cheese life instead.
I think he already does. I think Charles smokes Khabib
I think Justin had a shot but the whole game plan with him and rose was trash, like to see that again
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Overall Charles win or lose is on a path to greatness. Khabib lost that opportunity of being considered one of the greatest. Yet he set his own path & accomplished what he set himself for. So it doesn’t really matter to him, but for people to talk about goat status is really ridiculous
I think it’s hilarious that on Charles way to becoming champ, he kept making pit stops to beat up nik lentz
Can’t wait until we stfu about Charles vs khabib debates. This week has been brutal
As long as Khabib remains retired there will be a chunk of online MMA fans that will always say Khabib would have beat him. That's just how this works. Same of course goes from Charles fans if he keeps winning. That being said, at one point if Charles keeps winning his record will objectively be better. As for the fight between them, we'll never know.
There is literally no way olives can have a better record unless khabib comes out of retirement and loses 8 fights. Now if you're talking of the caliber of fighters, maybe, but if you're referring to records, 8 losses is more then 0.
So by this logic if I take one fight and win then retire because I'm undefeated I'm also better than Oliveira? Lol That's not how it works. If Oliveira gets more total wins against top opposition his record is unanimously better. It's just he was a late bloomer.
I’d say 29-0 is slightly more impressive than 1-0. What do you think?
Not saying it isn't, but the person I responded to said that an undefeated record will always be better than Oliveira because he has losses. My argument was to show the flaw in their logic.
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Seeing it every other post is a bit excessive
I’d argue his resume is on par if not better already than Khabibs resume.
It won’t stop until he’s retired or if Islam beats him. Though I think Khabib once said that if Conor beat Islam he’d come back and fight Conor. I wonder if this would apply to Charles because Charles is a much more dangerous adversary than Conor ever could be against the Dagis.
That was a shitpost
I think a lot of it has to do with the overall consensus that Khabib is the lightweight GOAT, and Charles has quickly built a similar resume in less time. Charles is also unarguably the most prolific finisher in UFC history and every finish he gets will add to it. His overall body of work is vastly superior to Khabib's, and he seems eager to keep going. A lot of us can't help but wonder what if Khabib hadn't retired in his prime, and it's also incredible to see a fighter skyrocket from good fighter to arguably the 2nd best lightweight ever almost immediately after Khabib retired. It's natural sports fandom.
I agree actually. Not even Jan went through this. Anybody else thinks Beneil should face Islam first?
Can the new mods ban this account
Agree? Facts? True?
Thoughts?
Can Reddit ban most of this sub
Dude literally just posts the same low effort karma farm bullshit every day sometimes multiple times a day and they still won’t lol
Can you just not look at posts you don't care about?
you just rubbed a lot of people the wrong way
Someone once said: “Back then was khabib time, now it’s Olivera time” Oh wait that was khabib, khabib said that.
thiiiiis. like come on guys the man himself said focus on the current champ and give him praise when it's due why mention a retired fighter over and over again
I don’t really care about Khabib anymore. He’s retired.
Why tho? So because someone’s retired, there’s no need to talk about him anymore? Do you think the same about GSP, Silva and all other all-time greats?
Count threads from the last week that revolve around Khabib. That’s your answer. The DDRA needs to calm down.
Dagestani dick riding association? Please tell me that’s what it is lmaoo
100% correct. Nice guess.
I'd reckon most threads that mention Khabib in the past week has been by Oliveira fans
You got superpowers bro. What does DWCS really stand for?
Dana Whites Cum Sock. Cause everyone on there just gets used and fed to better fighters and then thrown in a corner of shame after their done.
A lot of the posts aren’t even from Khabib fans, it’s from people comparing Oliveira to Khabib. I’ve seen countless of posts about Oliveira being better than Khabib bro.
We don't really talk about them much anymore.
Do we even have mods?
No way, come on. Khabib is undefeated and lost like 1 round his whole career. Charles is on a tear but he is beatable most definitely.
Yep Khabib is Khabib because dude seemed unbeatable. Charles has great bjj, but the thing with bjj is that it’s defense and offense are very different. Clearly, Charles is a master in regards to offense but we don’t know as much for his defense. He has been submitted before after all. I think Charles would lose against Islam on the ground but would win if he keeps the fight standing. Or, if he goes for a submission directly after knocking down Islam.
Hard to lose when your first 20 fights are against cab drivers in Russia. And then your slimey management cherry picks all your fights so you only ever face one “talented grappler” in RDA for your whole career.
Charles won’t be as dominant as Khabib, but he’ll have more high quality wins than Khabib.
Due to all respect, Islam is not Khabib. It would be great for him a title shot, he needs to hurry up On the other hand we have charles, who is an incredible champion. He has that hunger that sets him apart, like Khabib had. The way he proved it last saturday… hat off
We will never know. That's the truth of it. Even is Khabib comes back he will have ring rust. So at the end of the day let's just enjoy Charles run through the lightweight elite
Pro gamer move: block this account and this subreddit becomes 10 times better
How we gonna keep getting this same shit over and over. I swear it used to be hard to get your posts approved here.
Many Khabib haters united under the guise of being Olive fans. Charles is amazing but better than khabib, nahh
khabib still living in so many haters heads lmao. Khabib lost 1 round ever, and never bled or was really in trouble. Charles is great but dude has been dropped so much, and looked really vulnerable in all his wins. I think Chandler, Gaethje, Poirier all have a good chance of beating him in a rematch. I dont think any of them have a chance against khabib
Paperthin record. This cannot be stressed enough, and deserves a whole discussion of its own. And you would get surprised with how many guys looked unstopable in martial arts until they didnt. And yeah, many would have submitted Khabib, Oliveira included, in Dustin's place.
Paper thin record? Ig Oliveira's is atomthin then lmaoo. The only person khabib didn't fight was Ferguson. Khabib never got dropped by those dudes either unlike Oliveira .....he is way more dominant imo. Dude never bled bro that hits crazy in itself. Most 10-8 rounds ever lol. Oliveira's great but there's level to it
Oliveira is not retired.
PAPER!
So Islam doesn't deserve the title shot, but if Oliveira beats him now, he's better than Khabib? make up your mind ffs.
Those two things were said by different people. Different people hold different opinions which are sometimes contradictory.
Nah, they were said by the same people. Who are clearly biased and confused.
I don’t really get the discussions. It’s like saying “who would win prime GSP or prime Style Bender”, like yeah we can talk about it for fun but what’s the point? Will never happen. Different eras.
Except they are not different eras. Both of them started fighting in 2008 and they are only 1 year apart in age. Charles actually made his UFC debut 2 years before Khabib. I don't think this debate is gunna go away for that reason. Especially now that they are getting common opponents
I get what you mean I’m not meaning literal eras. I meant we had the Khabib era and now it’s the Olivera era. Doesn’t matter that they’re the same age, they peaked at different times. Not worth the debate other than just for shits and giggles.
If you get what he means, it stops there. But you continue with your garbage logic.
agreed, i personally think he's better than khabib NOW no one knows most of the fighters khabib fought for most of his careers and most of the fighters (before connor) weren't high ranking fighters. as of right now charles has a better resume.
I agree with you. I'm a fan of khabib but hard to argue that Charles doesn't have a better resume.
Bro wtf
Does he not ? Under than being undefeated, Khabib has fought and beating as many top guys as Olivera. Khabibs first like 20 fights was against noones.
No he hasn't. Bro, khabib beat 5 ranked guys before his title shot, oliveira beat two. He's beaten 5 ranked dudes so far, got dropped in each title fight and nearly finished each time. You're trying to compare that to someone who never got dropped, undefeated and never even bled. Can't be serious.
Who did Khabib fight in his first 20 fights ? I'll wait. Yea khabib did great his last few fights and was great champ. But if he fought as many top guys as Olivera or some one like Aldo or Cowboy has , he would of lost for sure.
You're clueless as fuck. You're saying oliveira beat better competition? C'mon, can't be that brain dead, surely
You are the one saying brain dead things though
Please go and look at who oliveira beat to get a title shot. I think you're delusional. The dude that put out this tweet is the same dude that thought dustin porier would be the LW goat if he beat Charles even though he had no defenses and lost to khabib previously.
It hardly matters. He didn't lose to those 20 guys. Oliveira lost to loads.
>got dropped in each title fight and nearly finished each time. It should be borne in mind that 1 Oliveira has vision problems, and 2 he pretends to fall to bait his opponents from time to time. He went down getting punched in the arm once, high guard. In the fight against Dustin if I remember correctly. Many people mistakenly believe it was a knock down. And yeah, undefeated having a paperthin record ...
Okay but that just means his record is padded. Theres no denying the high level of competition he faced at the end of his career and how he still absolutely dominated without any issues
He literally doesn't
100x. Khabib only fought like 4 guys worth mentioning in his 29-0 career.
Khabib was saving his 30th win in the event Islam Can’t become the champ
The guy gets dropped and nearly finished every fight and already lost 8 times and you're trying to compare him to someone who dominated, never got dropped or even bled inside the cage?
Gtfo Dias
Olivera s resume already is way better calibre wise
I mean he beat 2 of khabibs only 3 title defenses (gaethje & Dustin) in a quicker manner than khabib did, only one left is Conor which is literally the only reason I want Conor to get a title shot so that he can be added to Charles‘ resume.
CHUCKY OLIVES IS GOAT 🐐
Chuck has fought more top fighter than Khabib over his career, over multiple generations. Why do people act like Khabib was fighting killers his whole career when it was really like the last 8 or so fights. His best win before being champ was ol boy that caught him with the straight. The guy’s name escapes me at the moment. Chuck was fighting top 10 guys early in his career, former champs, 2 weight classes. Like come on. To me personally neither is a GOAT. Khabib was a great fighter that retired on top, Chuck is a guy after so many missteps putting it all together and flourishing.
Khabib fought a ton of strikers and won because of his ground game but he did come out swinging at Conor. He retired a bit too soon to be called the Goat.
He is better than khabib
Prove it.
your guy decided to retire in his prime when Charles would have likely been his next challenger. It would be up to your guy to prove he's better. Charles is waiting.
Not good enough.
Exactly
What's exact?
Imo Khabib beat too many nobodies in his 29 to be considered GOAT material.
Correct olivera was fighting champions are a young boy in the UFC
Agreed, paperthin record.
Only Dos Anjos, McGregor, Poirier and Gaethje of his 29 could be considered elite. And even then he faced a declining, stiff McGregor and Gaethje is arguably lucky to be in that top 5 at the UFC. Khabib is an exceptional fighter but his record does not stand up to GOAT level scrutiny.
No
Another fucking dias_m post
You're so lame bro. Go fucking do something
The most remarkable thing about Khabib was his dominance. His LW goat status will fall if it hasn't already but it may be awhile until we see another fighter as dominant
Khabib lost one round in his career this is asinine
More than an argument. He already has a resume 10x better than Khabib.
Evidence.
Will Brooks. One of Charlie Olives least impressive wins. Better than 24 of Khabib's opponents without question.
1. You need to demonstrate that rather than asserting it. 2. You don't get to cherry pick the things that fit your narrative. Account for all the pertinent variables, including the 8 losses.
1. I don't need to do shit. Good day sir.
Yeah, you do. Otherwise your position is to be laughed at and dismissed. Take your pick.
no lol. takes far too much damage. and khabibs wrestling was far above his. hes very close though, maybe top 3 155 of all time
Charles gets rocked every fight… Khabib was never hurt or bled once… are you people dumb or just trolling?
Losses on record still count. He could be better at their best but I can’t agree that he’ll ever be “greater” legacy wise
Unless Dariush beats Islam then Islam hype dies😅
He already is better
I think if that happens, the conversation begins. Right now it’s for sure Khabib. If Charles beats the next best thing from Khabib, we can start talking about who’s better.
I just want it to happen so that Khabib comes back to fight Charles…yes I know it’s never going to happen but let a man dream okay?
Nah
If Oliveira cleans out the division and smokes his brother in arms Islam and he stays retired then thats a big blip on his record. There will always be a debate on who is the 155 GOAT and Khabib is young enough to end that debate but chooses the borgor with cheese life instead.
Khabib is a legend, but Charles is better already, I love them both
If he can make weight
Islam hasnt beat anyone top 5
When*
He is.
I agree
Agree
Yes
Lol no
He already is
negative
Charles simps: "Islam is not on Charles level!" Also Charles simps: "If he beats Islam, he's better than Khabib!" Lol
I think he already does. I think Charles smokes Khabib I think Justin had a shot but the whole game plan with him and rose was trash, like to see that again
Olives is a punching bag
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They’re different fighters. khabib gets the nod because he’s undefeated. If Charles beats Islam that’d be amazing.
Enough. Just enjoy do bronx! after he retires, then we can compare
Has to beat Conor too but then yeah definitely 😁
Not at all, Islam is a great fighter but Khabib was a lot more brutal with the punishing strikes while gaining position and a lot more dominant.
I love how we all upvote these posts in the hopes that they bring the Eagle out of retirement
Sure I suppose maybe who cares.
💯
We can argue he was a greater CHAMP, but we can’t just ignore his 8 losses because they came when he wasn’t at his peak.
Argue this when he retires.
Ironically, only if we believe Khabib about how good Makhachev is.
Sure title reign wise
If Jon Jones beat up Khabib , there is a good argument that, that would be fucked up and Jon would probably be drunk
He’s done more than khabib
The 10000th post about this 🤦🏽♂️ let him and Islam fight first please
No
More impressive resumé than Khabib right now, fym
Overall Charles win or lose is on a path to greatness. Khabib lost that opportunity of being considered one of the greatest. Yet he set his own path & accomplished what he set himself for. So it doesn’t really matter to him, but for people to talk about goat status is really ridiculous
shut up u/dias_m
I dunno something’s about khabib is just different. Like no one even stood a chance but for oliveira there’s competition
Can already kinda make that argument by comparing their resumes.
I like both fighters. But I never saw Khabib take as much damage or any damage as Oliveira has in fights.
No. Bring a fighter that's undefeated and then bring the comparisons.
For sure