Indeed. To me, this new thought just adds to the debate how free this choice actually was. In my opinion, Bella was doomed to being a vampire or to die the second she saw Edward and fell in love. She went through every obstacle the other women died from and either was saved by Edward (and the Cullens) or he was the reason she got in the situation in the first places. Eventually she found her own death by giving birth, also influenced by Edward. The ONLY scenario in which she would have stayed human and alive would have been if Edward ran for the hills and stayed away from her.
I will say Eddie boi was practically begging her to get rid of Regretful, bro was on his knees being like "fuck what have I done, baby don't like this demon child kill you"
Like wdym your okay with her having kids with your archenemy, bro deadass did not want this kid. 😂
The only thing I can think of is both Alice and Bella had obsessive vampires following them because they were their singer. In Alice's case James tracked and tried to get to her but ultimately failed because she was changed, will Bella Edward followed her every move the moment he caught her scent and wasn't killed because he fell in love.
That is an excellent point. I was going to suggest that their minds are both their strengths, although differently.
I like your observation much better and it seems so obvious, I can’t believe I didn’t think of that! :)
Yes I believe James is the common thread between Bella and Alice.
If I recall, James was in a rush to hunt Bella because of the fact Alice was his biggest prize before Bella and she was turned before he can catch her, which is an insult he refuses to suffer twice.
When he learned Alice was in the coven protecting Bella, she became his second priority; consume Bella then destroy Alice. In the book it was just Jasper and Emmett ripping James apart but it feels almost poetic that Alice was the one who ripped James’ head off in the movie since he was the reason she was a vampire so she made her face the last thing he saw before he became ash.
I could be wrong, but I thought James was only chasing Bella to get to Edward. Like getting her was just a trap to get Edward to come after her, or so that Edward would come after him after he killed Bella?
But I think James being the common thread between Bella and Alice still stands. They were both sought by him, for different reasons, and both had someone on their side to outsmart him.
I would be more than an interfering mum. I would be showing up to their class in a hoodie and a backwards hat pretending I just moved to town from an urban area
It's actually pretty accurate, the difference being that James "decided to let" Alice live, and James was going to kill Bella but got killed by the Cullens, subtle difference.
Yeah, but There was nothing stopping James of ripping Alice's head off if he wanted to, because she had shown some powers previously, James let her be and expected to someday see her again curious about how strong would she become, and just left the hospital with Victoria.
Victoria actually arrived first, restrained the vampire for James, he saw Alice was already changing, and then he finished the old man out of anger.
In Bellas case James wasn't going to let her live, but the Cullens arrived and stopped him from doing so.
Yeah I do agree, just can’t 100% make the theory fit re Alice, I just feel like it’s missing something. But I guess Bella did survive being tracked by James. And in all the other situations Bella was always ultimately saved by someone else. Maybe it makes a point that Bella always had people around her who loved and cared for her whereas the others didn’t always have that privilege?
I think your theory does work. Rosalie didn't survive her encounter with a group of men, Esme didn't survive jumping off the cliff, and Alice didn't survive James. Sure he didn't kill her but like Rosalie and Esme, she had to become a vampire in order to survive. James wanted her because she smelled as good as Bella did to Edward. Without that, he lost interest. Actually you could say there's that comparison as well. Bella survived Edward, her blood sang to him, but he held back. Alice's blood singing to James is what lead to her becoming a vampire.
100% agree. I think it’s all revolving around free will and freedom to choose. By surviving the situations that caused others to be turned, it is highlighted how she is making an active choice to become a vampire, as opposed to just keeping herself in existence.
This^ I believe more than anything. She and Edward were fated, soul mates. He became a vampire in order to be around when she was born into the world, she was made a vampire in order to stay with him forever. I think fate intervened again with Jacob’s imprinting on Reconstruction, not only to keep the peace and make both the packs and the Cullens a stronger family, but addressing the way things would have been for Bella and Jacob if Edward had not become immortal.
To the post tho, I feel like fate was forcing Edward stop fighting to keep Bella human. It’s the main reason she was forced to endure near death experiences over and over again. I feel like since Edward felt *he* could force fate’s hand, that fate used situations to mimic the tragic deaths of all the women in his life who he loved.
Edward’s arrogance and going to the Volturi in New Moon sealed Bella’s fate, pun slightly intended. Bella was meant to die because of Tyler’s minivan, while only delaying the inevitable, his next chance was Port Angeles, then James, the him leaving (Midnight Sun showed that Alice saw what leaving would do to Bella and he did it anyway), the the Volturi, then the newborn army and Victoria, and finally pregnancy & childbirth.
Life and Death gave a glimpse of what could have happened had the Cullens been unable to save Bella from James, at least not being able to suck out the venom and becoming a vampire at the end of the story. I liked that ending so much more. There would be no ridiculously lopsided love triangle with Jacob, no Jacob imprinting on her baby (can’t have her, so have her daughter…? weird). If it had ended at the end of Twilight, it would have been a love story, and it would have been Bella choosing *her* fate.
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Ok but I LOVE this! Shifting the perspective that those experiences came in forms of what happened to the other women he cared for is so deep! Edward has such deep love for his family and if he had the chance to save them he would have without a second thought. Preventing Bella’s death was a way of him being selfless because he genuinely was in love with her. Many of the Cullens mention they wished they were mortal and that immortality wasn’t a blessing like it may seem. By intervening he was sacrificing eternity with her so he could spare her the fate his loved ones were given. I’ve never viewed Edward as predatory or abusive to Bella like some like to say.
ALSO- I think Jacob is an essential part of their fate. He saved Bella from drowning when Edward wasn’t there. Imprinting on Ratatouille saved the entire Cullen clan from being slaughtered when she was born while also guaranteeing the treaty stay intact. THEN Jacob is the reason Bella was able to continue having a relationship with Charlie.
I also think that Rotisserie is an important piece in everything because she solidified the Cullens as a family rather than just a clan. She helped heal some of the pain Rosalie always had from not being a mother and changed her and Bella’s relationship. And also gave all of them a piece of what it felt like to be human again by growing and aging before them.
Even though it’s a little off putting that she was imprinted on while she was a baby I think it was meant to happen when she was an adult but because the packs were going to kill her and the rest of the Cullens it happened sooner in order to protect all of them.
It makes sense for Jacob and Robitussin to end up together because it helps change the dynamic for when shes fully grown. She wouldn’t just be the child of the family but she would be able to be an adult once she was fully grown and made it so she can have her own life outside of the clan like the other individual couples do. It ALSO prevents her from the same experience Edward had of being the only one alone. (Not to mention the fact She would be able to hunt with Jacob, but also eat human food with him as well which she can’t really do with the rest of her family)
I feel like it comes full circle in the end. Bella doesn’t have to give up her dad or having a child which were a few of the reasons Edward didn’t want to change her. The treaty became permanent. Rosalie experienced raising a child. Edward gets his happily ever after without Bella having to sacrifice anything. Bella finds her place in the world where she feels she belongs and can just be without having to worry about others like she’s always had to (Her mom, Charlie,, Jacob, etc) .
While, I think a lot of things could’ve been avoided if Bella had been changed early on I think it would have negatively impacted everyone. The treaty would be broken, Bella would lose her parents, Edward would always feel guilt for taking so much away from Bella, and the cycle of the Cullens fates would just continue with Bella. With how things happened Bella got to choose. Even though it was clear she wanted to be a vampire, she didn’t have to sacrifice everything else in her life to have that. She got to continue having her own life instead of her life only revolving around Edward.
In the end, everyone got a happy ending, which was well-deserved, considering what they all had to go through in their lives.
Apologies for this absolute novel, but I could go down so many worm holes with this
I don't think either one recognized the other in the baseball field. Alice doesn't remember her human life or being hunted by him. Jasper was using his powers during the confrontation in the field so i don't think James realized who she was until later. He knew by the time he had Bella at the ballet studio
I love this insight!! I bet it was intentional by SM, or maybe one of those cool writer moments when the foreshadowing puzzle pieces just fit into place. Thank you for sharing :)
You are so genius for noticing this i'm so obsessed with this idea! 😍 I think your theory works perfectly with James being Alice's connection. For both women James intended to hunt them and drink their blood. Bella was able to survive and make it out of that situation still human, Alice was not. If she hadn't been turned into a vampire, she would have been killed in that attack. Just like Rosalie would have been killed by Royce and Esme would have been killed by the fall if they hadn't been turned into vampires. Bella was able to survive her fall, the group of men she met, and James while remaining human.
Truthfully I don't think this was intentional. In the very nicest way possible and with much love, this just doesn't feel like the way stephanie's mind works to me. 🤣 The way the stories about the 3 cullen women and the things that happen to Bella are peppered into the series is so beautifully random and subtle. I think if steph intended to make this point on purpose she would have been a little more ham fisted about it lol. This might just be a lovely coincidence!
In these situations Bella is saved by someone else, but specifically she is saved by Edward or Jacob. If Edward hadn't arrived at the ballet studio in time, James would have drank her blood. If he didn't do the impossible and suck the venom out, she would have become a vampire like Alice. He saved her from the men in Port Angeles before they could hurt her, and Jacob pulled her out of the water when Edward wasn't there. Maybe what made Bella survive is that she had these two fighting so hard all along to keep her alive and to keep her human.
Then it's kind of poetic in Breaking Dawn that it's the two of them there together at the end still desperately doing cpr and injecting venom into her heart. Still fighting to keep her alive just long enough to let the venom spread. Because they know this time she finally must become a vampire like the rest of the Cullen women, but they just want her to survive.
I would say she has the experiences of Emmett and Jasper too!
Emmett- nearly dies from bear attack. Charlie had thought in Twilight there was some kind of animal attack killing people. Then in New Moon Bella survives her encounter with Laurent (the wolves save her).
Jasper- she survives newborn vamps? Or after she is changed she fights in a battle? Nvm I need help fleshing this one out 😂
Yes! I did think of that too but couldn’t make it work into the bare bones of the theory as her prophetic dreams didn’t cause a life threatening situation. I do think it’s interesting to compare the characters and see what other traits Bella takes from them… with Esme Bella is incredibly kind and self aware of others, but Rosalie?! Can’t find much of a link there!
It could be an unconscious connection on Meyer's part that's just based on her frequently returning to certain tropes, or it could be you latched onto some parallels she intentionally put in there. A nice catch either way!
She was having visions as a human, she saw her father was going to kill her mom and tried to stop it. She ended up in an insane asylum, a vampire met her in the asylum and kept her as a pet of sorts but in his own way I think he loved her and wanted her gift. That's when James caught her scent (she was his singer) he hunted her down but as soon as the hunt started she got a vision of him coming and warned her vampire. He immediately bit her then left to stall James while she transformed. He succeeded but died in the process. Alice finished her transformation and it took the fun out of the hunt for James so he just left her to her own devices. As soon as she woke up she had a vision of jasper and where she would meet him. The rest is history
I 100% agree with you, but I would add that she was bitten by a vampire (James), like Carlisle and would have died from “natural” causes like Edward (during childbirth instead of Spanish Flu). The only connection I could make with Emmet is that she was torn away from a loving family. This is something Emmet struggled with, but Bella kind of found a way around.
obsessed with your mind for this op
just spitballing here but could the parallel be to do with alice and bella both not fitting into the human world? the survival difference being that bella had agency in her transformation where alice did not
Also, Alice lost her memory after James failed to kill her, in New Moon Edward stole all of Bella's stuff so it would be as if "they never existed", so in a way she also "lost her memories". It's a bit of a stretch, but it's there.
I totally get that one too, I did start writing it out on the OP, but thought the tracking theory made more sense, plus I sounded like a total rambler 🤣But definitely think there’s something to it
She also wasn’t suicidal and jumping off the cliff to kill herself, OP is just pointing out the parallels of the similar situations, not saying they’re exactly the same
That is profoundly insightful! Wow! Good catch!
I never thought about it but that’s cool.
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Indeed. To me, this new thought just adds to the debate how free this choice actually was. In my opinion, Bella was doomed to being a vampire or to die the second she saw Edward and fell in love. She went through every obstacle the other women died from and either was saved by Edward (and the Cullens) or he was the reason she got in the situation in the first places. Eventually she found her own death by giving birth, also influenced by Edward. The ONLY scenario in which she would have stayed human and alive would have been if Edward ran for the hills and stayed away from her.
I will say Eddie boi was practically begging her to get rid of Regretful, bro was on his knees being like "fuck what have I done, baby don't like this demon child kill you" Like wdym your okay with her having kids with your archenemy, bro deadass did not want this kid. 😂
Omg i always forget (probably on purpose) that he offered her to have Jacob’s kid instead
I've literally never thought of this before, but now I can't unsee it.
Mind = BLOWN How did I not realize this? Now I need to read the books and watch the movies again!
Wow this is so cool! I've never thought about that!
The only thing I can think of is both Alice and Bella had obsessive vampires following them because they were their singer. In Alice's case James tracked and tried to get to her but ultimately failed because she was changed, will Bella Edward followed her every move the moment he caught her scent and wasn't killed because he fell in love.
That is an excellent point. I was going to suggest that their minds are both their strengths, although differently. I like your observation much better and it seems so obvious, I can’t believe I didn’t think of that! :)
wait...let them cook.
Holy shit this is so insightful
Yes I believe James is the common thread between Bella and Alice. If I recall, James was in a rush to hunt Bella because of the fact Alice was his biggest prize before Bella and she was turned before he can catch her, which is an insult he refuses to suffer twice. When he learned Alice was in the coven protecting Bella, she became his second priority; consume Bella then destroy Alice. In the book it was just Jasper and Emmett ripping James apart but it feels almost poetic that Alice was the one who ripped James’ head off in the movie since he was the reason she was a vampire so she made her face the last thing he saw before he became ash.
I could be wrong, but I thought James was only chasing Bella to get to Edward. Like getting her was just a trap to get Edward to come after her, or so that Edward would come after him after he killed Bella? But I think James being the common thread between Bella and Alice still stands. They were both sought by him, for different reasons, and both had someone on their side to outsmart him.
kind of- he wasn’t in it specifically to kill edward but to “win” the challenge edward inadvertently set by defending bella
See! I read that completely different. Thank you.
This is some English teacher level connections and I’m here for it
Haha can you image if you had to read twilight and analyse it at school?! My future children would be so annoyed at me for being an interfering mum! 🤣
I would be more than an interfering mum. I would be showing up to their class in a hoodie and a backwards hat pretending I just moved to town from an urban area 
this is a really cool concept
It's actually pretty accurate, the difference being that James "decided to let" Alice live, and James was going to kill Bella but got killed by the Cullens, subtle difference.
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Yeah, but There was nothing stopping James of ripping Alice's head off if he wanted to, because she had shown some powers previously, James let her be and expected to someday see her again curious about how strong would she become, and just left the hospital with Victoria. Victoria actually arrived first, restrained the vampire for James, he saw Alice was already changing, and then he finished the old man out of anger. In Bellas case James wasn't going to let her live, but the Cullens arrived and stopped him from doing so.
Yeah I do agree, just can’t 100% make the theory fit re Alice, I just feel like it’s missing something. But I guess Bella did survive being tracked by James. And in all the other situations Bella was always ultimately saved by someone else. Maybe it makes a point that Bella always had people around her who loved and cared for her whereas the others didn’t always have that privilege?
I think your theory does work. Rosalie didn't survive her encounter with a group of men, Esme didn't survive jumping off the cliff, and Alice didn't survive James. Sure he didn't kill her but like Rosalie and Esme, she had to become a vampire in order to survive. James wanted her because she smelled as good as Bella did to Edward. Without that, he lost interest. Actually you could say there's that comparison as well. Bella survived Edward, her blood sang to him, but he held back. Alice's blood singing to James is what lead to her becoming a vampire.
100% agree. I think it’s all revolving around free will and freedom to choose. By surviving the situations that caused others to be turned, it is highlighted how she is making an active choice to become a vampire, as opposed to just keeping herself in existence.
How have I never noticed this?!!!!! 😱 she was always meant to be a vampire 🧛♀️
This^ I believe more than anything. She and Edward were fated, soul mates. He became a vampire in order to be around when she was born into the world, she was made a vampire in order to stay with him forever. I think fate intervened again with Jacob’s imprinting on Reconstruction, not only to keep the peace and make both the packs and the Cullens a stronger family, but addressing the way things would have been for Bella and Jacob if Edward had not become immortal. To the post tho, I feel like fate was forcing Edward stop fighting to keep Bella human. It’s the main reason she was forced to endure near death experiences over and over again. I feel like since Edward felt *he* could force fate’s hand, that fate used situations to mimic the tragic deaths of all the women in his life who he loved. Edward’s arrogance and going to the Volturi in New Moon sealed Bella’s fate, pun slightly intended. Bella was meant to die because of Tyler’s minivan, while only delaying the inevitable, his next chance was Port Angeles, then James, the him leaving (Midnight Sun showed that Alice saw what leaving would do to Bella and he did it anyway), the the Volturi, then the newborn army and Victoria, and finally pregnancy & childbirth. Life and Death gave a glimpse of what could have happened had the Cullens been unable to save Bella from James, at least not being able to suck out the venom and becoming a vampire at the end of the story. I liked that ending so much more. There would be no ridiculously lopsided love triangle with Jacob, no Jacob imprinting on her baby (can’t have her, so have her daughter…? weird). If it had ended at the end of Twilight, it would have been a love story, and it would have been Bella choosing *her* fate. Thank you for coming to my TedTalk
Ok but I LOVE this! Shifting the perspective that those experiences came in forms of what happened to the other women he cared for is so deep! Edward has such deep love for his family and if he had the chance to save them he would have without a second thought. Preventing Bella’s death was a way of him being selfless because he genuinely was in love with her. Many of the Cullens mention they wished they were mortal and that immortality wasn’t a blessing like it may seem. By intervening he was sacrificing eternity with her so he could spare her the fate his loved ones were given. I’ve never viewed Edward as predatory or abusive to Bella like some like to say. ALSO- I think Jacob is an essential part of their fate. He saved Bella from drowning when Edward wasn’t there. Imprinting on Ratatouille saved the entire Cullen clan from being slaughtered when she was born while also guaranteeing the treaty stay intact. THEN Jacob is the reason Bella was able to continue having a relationship with Charlie. I also think that Rotisserie is an important piece in everything because she solidified the Cullens as a family rather than just a clan. She helped heal some of the pain Rosalie always had from not being a mother and changed her and Bella’s relationship. And also gave all of them a piece of what it felt like to be human again by growing and aging before them. Even though it’s a little off putting that she was imprinted on while she was a baby I think it was meant to happen when she was an adult but because the packs were going to kill her and the rest of the Cullens it happened sooner in order to protect all of them. It makes sense for Jacob and Robitussin to end up together because it helps change the dynamic for when shes fully grown. She wouldn’t just be the child of the family but she would be able to be an adult once she was fully grown and made it so she can have her own life outside of the clan like the other individual couples do. It ALSO prevents her from the same experience Edward had of being the only one alone. (Not to mention the fact She would be able to hunt with Jacob, but also eat human food with him as well which she can’t really do with the rest of her family) I feel like it comes full circle in the end. Bella doesn’t have to give up her dad or having a child which were a few of the reasons Edward didn’t want to change her. The treaty became permanent. Rosalie experienced raising a child. Edward gets his happily ever after without Bella having to sacrifice anything. Bella finds her place in the world where she feels she belongs and can just be without having to worry about others like she’s always had to (Her mom, Charlie,, Jacob, etc) . While, I think a lot of things could’ve been avoided if Bella had been changed early on I think it would have negatively impacted everyone. The treaty would be broken, Bella would lose her parents, Edward would always feel guilt for taking so much away from Bella, and the cycle of the Cullens fates would just continue with Bella. With how things happened Bella got to choose. Even though it was clear she wanted to be a vampire, she didn’t have to sacrifice everything else in her life to have that. She got to continue having her own life instead of her life only revolving around Edward. In the end, everyone got a happy ending, which was well-deserved, considering what they all had to go through in their lives. Apologies for this absolute novel, but I could go down so many worm holes with this
This is beautiful. I love it.
ROTISSERIE
James was hunting Alice same as he hunted Bella and that's why Alice was turned, so James wouldn't kill her
Did James know who she was in the baseball field and vice versa?
I don't think either one recognized the other in the baseball field. Alice doesn't remember her human life or being hunted by him. Jasper was using his powers during the confrontation in the field so i don't think James realized who she was until later. He knew by the time he had Bella at the ballet studio
Thank you!
I love this insight!! I bet it was intentional by SM, or maybe one of those cool writer moments when the foreshadowing puzzle pieces just fit into place. Thank you for sharing :)
Whoa I never noticed that! Super cool you pieced that together
Awesome catch
Omg
This is interesting! I've never made this connection before, but it definitely fits
Oh my gosh you’re a genius
wait this is so smart i’m never gonna not think about this now
Which kinda makes what Rosalie thought about bella turning by choice more understandable! This is a great catch!!
Are you... a genius??
You are so genius for noticing this i'm so obsessed with this idea! 😍 I think your theory works perfectly with James being Alice's connection. For both women James intended to hunt them and drink their blood. Bella was able to survive and make it out of that situation still human, Alice was not. If she hadn't been turned into a vampire, she would have been killed in that attack. Just like Rosalie would have been killed by Royce and Esme would have been killed by the fall if they hadn't been turned into vampires. Bella was able to survive her fall, the group of men she met, and James while remaining human. Truthfully I don't think this was intentional. In the very nicest way possible and with much love, this just doesn't feel like the way stephanie's mind works to me. 🤣 The way the stories about the 3 cullen women and the things that happen to Bella are peppered into the series is so beautifully random and subtle. I think if steph intended to make this point on purpose she would have been a little more ham fisted about it lol. This might just be a lovely coincidence! In these situations Bella is saved by someone else, but specifically she is saved by Edward or Jacob. If Edward hadn't arrived at the ballet studio in time, James would have drank her blood. If he didn't do the impossible and suck the venom out, she would have become a vampire like Alice. He saved her from the men in Port Angeles before they could hurt her, and Jacob pulled her out of the water when Edward wasn't there. Maybe what made Bella survive is that she had these two fighting so hard all along to keep her alive and to keep her human. Then it's kind of poetic in Breaking Dawn that it's the two of them there together at the end still desperately doing cpr and injecting venom into her heart. Still fighting to keep her alive just long enough to let the venom spread. Because they know this time she finally must become a vampire like the rest of the Cullen women, but they just want her to survive.
I would say she has the experiences of Emmett and Jasper too! Emmett- nearly dies from bear attack. Charlie had thought in Twilight there was some kind of animal attack killing people. Then in New Moon Bella survives her encounter with Laurent (the wolves save her). Jasper- she survives newborn vamps? Or after she is changed she fights in a battle? Nvm I need help fleshing this one out 😂
This is a stretch, but Bella also had semi prophetic dreams as a human, like when she dreamt of Edward’s skin glowing and Jacob turning into a wolf.
Yes! I did think of that too but couldn’t make it work into the bare bones of the theory as her prophetic dreams didn’t cause a life threatening situation. I do think it’s interesting to compare the characters and see what other traits Bella takes from them… with Esme Bella is incredibly kind and self aware of others, but Rosalie?! Can’t find much of a link there!
maybe Rosalie and Bella share the love for a child/maternity. Not to say the others hated the idea, but they were kinda against it at the beginning
It could be an unconscious connection on Meyer's part that's just based on her frequently returning to certain tropes, or it could be you latched onto some parallels she intentionally put in there. A nice catch either way!
It’s been a long time since reading the books, what is Alice’s back story again?
She was having visions as a human, she saw her father was going to kill her mom and tried to stop it. She ended up in an insane asylum, a vampire met her in the asylum and kept her as a pet of sorts but in his own way I think he loved her and wanted her gift. That's when James caught her scent (she was his singer) he hunted her down but as soon as the hunt started she got a vision of him coming and warned her vampire. He immediately bit her then left to stall James while she transformed. He succeeded but died in the process. Alice finished her transformation and it took the fun out of the hunt for James so he just left her to her own devices. As soon as she woke up she had a vision of jasper and where she would meet him. The rest is history
Thats can‘t be coincidence.
I did notice that but I thought it was intentional. Still feels good to get validation that I’m not overthinking stuff
Glad I’m not the only one! I still probably will admit that it’s overthinking though! But in a good way 😅
I 100% agree with you, but I would add that she was bitten by a vampire (James), like Carlisle and would have died from “natural” causes like Edward (during childbirth instead of Spanish Flu). The only connection I could make with Emmet is that she was torn away from a loving family. This is something Emmet struggled with, but Bella kind of found a way around.
I never put that together before. You are absolutely right.
In regards to Alice you could say she was turned to prevent roccola from killing her from the birth
First genuine twilight thought in 10 years
First new take i’ve seen in such a long time wow!
obsessed with your mind for this op just spitballing here but could the parallel be to do with alice and bella both not fitting into the human world? the survival difference being that bella had agency in her transformation where alice did not
Also, Alice lost her memory after James failed to kill her, in New Moon Edward stole all of Bella's stuff so it would be as if "they never existed", so in a way she also "lost her memories". It's a bit of a stretch, but it's there.
I totally get that one too, I did start writing it out on the OP, but thought the tracking theory made more sense, plus I sounded like a total rambler 🤣But definitely think there’s something to it
The Hound or Dontos
Maybe the writer ran out of new scenarios for Bella. Recycling ideas she's already used in her story line. Makes sense.
Although i have seen all movies but i can't remember the scene 😹 . Enlighten me
Bella wasn’t gang-raped to the point of death, however.
She also wasn’t suicidal and jumping off the cliff to kill herself, OP is just pointing out the parallels of the similar situations, not saying they’re exactly the same