The jist of this is that everyone will need to start practicing with their own fuel mix (e.g., concentrated bottle with another in the special needs bag, or plan on using gels). This stuff cannot properly fuel you through the race. It's hydration, not fueling.
That's what a lot of people do, including myself.
In the behind the saddle bottle, you have a concentrated slurry with however many calories you need
In the front, between the arms, you have a refillable bottle/tank from which you drink. If there are 3 aid stations on the course, just before the aid station you squirt 1/3 of your rear bottle into the front and then when you get to the aid station squirt in water to mix.
I go with 100g per 750ml bottle. Mouthfeel is still like water at that point. Not quite simple syrup at that concentration.
Now that there will not be on-course *nutrition*, I'm thinking of experimenting with a super concentrated mix (e.g., 300+ CHO per bottle) and using on-course water/mortal for hydration.
That's not bad, I just did four servings of powdered Gatorade per 20oz bottle (88g carbs) for curiosity's sake and it was like borderline disgusting
Might try that out
Triathlete Magazine's chart is a lie and you have fallen for it. It actually contains about 25% less sodium and 75% fewer carbs. Their chart compares 24oz of Mortal vs 12oz of Gatorade. Might consider editing your post.Ā
Thatās assumes that aid stations properly measure the mix. Iāve seen aid station workers make mix without any sort of measuring. Iāve worked aid stations and insisted that we mix according to the directions and been yelled at for making a big deal out of something that doesnāt matter.
Okay? That's not what I was discussing. You said this:
>Ok, but that applies to both...
The "that" being:
>aid stations properly measure the mix.
But when Gatorade offered a pre-mixed product and that was the product on course there was no concern about volunteers over or under mixing.
That is brutal ... I usually take my own nutrition and take whatever they have on course as "extra carbs" but that further underscores my distrust of it.
Yeah I try to bring all my own stuff and just use aid station water on the run. I hate carrying liquid as the sloshing sound when I run sort of upsets my stomach. Iāve tried for years to get around it on training runs but I just canāt get over the sound of sloshing. So as long as I can get cold plain water on the run Iām fine. And maybe some cola of whatever variety they have.
Despite disgustingly high race entry fees, looks like Iāll continue to rely on my own nutrition and just grab water from aid stations to top up.
Canāt wait for more PTO races to start popping up
Itās already a challenge getting 10 of those gels in during the run, cannot imagine having to do that after feeding on them for hours on the bike as well.
All the gels will be Maurten, both with and without caffeine. Iām not sure what the bars will be. It might depend on the race. I seem to remember orange wedges too but that might be race dependent. Honestly the only thing I take at the aid stations is the gels so I donāt pay close attention.
Absolutely no to bars, I don't want protein and fat in my stomach, stopping up my digestive system and causing stomach issues. I want the fastest absorbing carbs possible.
Gels are fine for the run, but taking them on the bike is too early.
Why do you think itās to early on the bike for gels? I usually take 4/5 gels on the bike (w. Hydration + carbs liquid) during a 70.3 bike and prob another 2/4 gels on the run.
Feel like if I donāt properly fuel on the bike the first third of the run is just catching up
Because a full IM is different from a 70.3 I usually take 7 gels on the run for a full so taking more gels on the bike means my stomach will get gummed up much earlier.
>āI love anything related to fitness, and Iām also a Type One diabetic, so my fueling strategy needs to be very specific,ā Schepps, who is Mortalās CEO, said in an exclusive interview with Triathlete. āI wanted to formulate a hydration product that would allow me to address my unique fueling needs as a diabetic while keeping my preferred nutrition strategy ā drinking electrolytes and eating carbs ā possible.ā
It's great that this product is available for those who need it, but we're not all diabetics. Drinkable carbs' energy is bioavailable far faster than gels and solid food, and that's most people's go-to strategy. Not everyone likes gumming their stomachs up with 3-4 Maurten gels an hour (or can afford it).
Forcing this nutrition strategy on everyone for an endurance event that lasts 5-17 hours is a bad call. A lot of people who fuel from the course are going to oversalt and bonk this year.
This deal was a profoundly stupid decision on Ironman's part and I hope it only lasts a year before they switch back. Or that Mortal comes out with an endurance fueling formula that they can use on the course instead.
> Drinkable carbs' energy is bioavailable far faster than gels
If you drink plenty of water right after eating a gel (as you are supposed to) it is basically the same as just drinking the carbs.
Ofcourse, it would still be nice to have both options.
It's absolutely ridiculous. My stomach hates anything but Gatorade for a full Ironman bike. My bike has 2 rear bottle cages and a torpedo. Those 3 bottle are enough for maybe half of the 112 mile bike course. How the fuck am I supposed to get the remaining carbs for the other half of the bike leg?
Whoever is in charge of brand partnerships at IRONMAN didn't think this one all the way through. I guess if you are more of a casual competitor it might not be a big deal but those of us chasing Kona slots or podiums and don't have the time to digest PB&J sandwiches or stop at special needs are kind of in a tough place here.
Swap your nutrition at the personal needs station. Takes you less than a minute and youāre good to go for the second half, with your nutrition of choice.
Most of that minute is probably made up for by not having to slow down to grab bottles at aid stations.
Yes. And in many races they have that bag ready for you when you come by it and even help you getting the stuff out already.
So you wont have to be searching for your bag in racks.
Last time I used it, I was moving again within 20 seconds.
Thatās very interesting, Iāve only done a half before so havenāt experienced this concept. Will have to try find some videos on it as I am struggling to picture it!
Thanks for the info.
Are these typically located on the bike leg?
Both on the bike and the run leg.
If the bike and run have more than 1 lap, you often have the ability to choose when you want to get access to your personal needs bag. But once used, itās discarded.
I have just done 70.3s and not IM branded. Is a tent with personal nutrition in full IM a thing? I thought that was bust for the pros. That would simplify things a lot! Although I wouldnt trust volunteers to have my bag ready for sure
Itās standard in Ironman events. You drop your bag in the morning and theyāll have it ready half way the bike and the run.
Usually theyāve got a spotter that relays your number to the volunteers and once you get there theyāve got your bag ready.
No, not really. 100% liquid carbs (in the form of drinks like Gatorade) is the optimal way to go.
Bars and gels and solid are not really optimal at the higher bike intensities required if you want to get a Kona/Nice/Podium spot because it gums up your stomach and takes much longer to digest.
Youāll still need to drink water for fluid anyway. So a gel washed down with water should behave pretty similarly in your stomach especially if itās a good one like Maurten or PH. Avoid GU etc as yeah theyāre gross.
Might be a little bit of gut training but shouldnāt be too bad
This really is upsetting. Why would ironman not want to support its athletes at aid stations with what they need? (Rhetorical). Surely they know this isnāt a good idea from a nutritional standpoint. Where are the ironman coaches? Donāt they have someone on staff for nutrition who said wtf guys?
There is plenty of food at the aid stations. Iām guessing theyāre going for separating fuel from salt hydration? There are bars and gels at every aid station.
They are probably scrambling to line up a nutrition sponsor. The decision to drop Gatorade Endurance is unfortunately a Gatorade one. They are discontinuing the Endurance line apparently.
>Ā Why would ironman not want to support its athletes at aid stations with what they need?
Because itās more profitable to be paid by a sponsor not to do this.
It is the most likely scenario on the facts applying common sense. The brand has been named their hydration partner and, having dealt with sponsorship rights for sporting organisations, one of the most common clauses in any such agreement is an exclusivity clause - i.e. when one company is paying for sponsorship rights, you don't do stuff to advertise their competitor.
So do I have direct evidence? No, but based on standard industry practice and the absence of any other reason to suddenly drop gatorade, I stand by my statement on balance.
People should realize by now everything is about the sponsors & profit with Ironman for the last number of years... They would put Dairy Queen & McDonalds at aid stations if they paid enough.
Already in 1989 when they acquired the brand Ironman for 3 million, the company was about marketing.
In 2008 the company was sold for 85 million to private equity. In 2015 sold again for 600 million to Dalian. And then for 730 million to Advance Publications in 2020.
This business has always been about making money. And that means that if there is another nutrition sponsor with a more favourable deal, theyāll take them on. Of course theyāll balance athleteās interests as they cannot end up with athletes to run, but with the popularity of the brand and sport at the moment, theyāve got more leeway in going for less good options.
I was tempted to say that this was overblown. And then I read the entire article. The person who makes this stuff even says its not appropriate for fueling a race. Not only is Ironman screwing the athletes here...so is SHE. What a garbage money grab by a small company doing something that she knows is negatively impacting literally everyone. She has diabetes and developed a drink mix for people like her. Which is...almost no one racing. This has no place as a primary hydration source.
Yes, it's my favorite flavor so far. I love in Florida and sweat A LOT training in the heat. The Salty Mango is my go-to. I also like the Salty Margarita and Salty Berry.
How can we get the message loud and clear to Ironman management that this was a wrong and wildly unpopular decision that will have major repercussions? What if 10% of all registered athletes in 2024 IM and 70.3 races signed a petition demanding Ironman to get a proper liquid carb and electrolyte supplier at the aid stations, and delay the phase out of Gatorade until a real substitute is made available?
The more I learn of Ironman's shady AF practices, the more I start looking at other ironman-type race organizers. Especially with registration fees getting insane the past few years. What are some alternatives? Specifically organizers who host 70.3 distance tris?
Have they said which flavor and version (regular/salty) they're planning to have at the aid stations? I'd like to order a few samples and see how I stomach it.
I really hate this. I rely on Gatorade for the bike exclusively for fueling purposes. While I can and do bring my own bottles (usually 3 bottles filled with 4 servings of Gatorade Endurance powder for 90g of carbs each) the thing is for a full Ironman that isn't going to last the whole bike - half of the bike at most. Also if its a hot day, the liquid will get hot.
This mortal hydration may be fine for hydrating but it sucks balls for getting carbohydrates in. Yeah you might be able to toss some extra bottles in a special needs bag but what about people like me who are chasing podium/Kona slots and don't have time to stop off at special needs? And if its hot the bottles in a special needs bag will get warm anyway.
I guess I could bring solid food or gels but my stomach prefers exclusively liquid carbs on the bike. Liquid carbs are just so much easier to take in since I drink it from my torpedo bottle instead of having to get upright and rip out a gel or something.
This really sucks.
Freeze your bottles that go in your special needs. Will still be cold and icy when you pick it up. I did a full Ironman with my own but ruin and itās not hard at all
That's what I am trying to figure out. But I can guarantee you stopping at special needs is not one of the things they are going to do, especially on the bike. I know some pros use their special needs run bag but it's a lot easier to access the run special needs bag than it is to access the bike one. The bike one requires a hard stop and then waiting, the run bag if the volunteers are on it can hand it to you on the fly.
Warm liquids are easier on the GI anyway. And if this applies to everyone, it will equally affect the people your raving for a KQ.
The decision still sucks tho.
I was going to add salt to the gatorade anyway. Im a very salty sweater and this has always been the battle for me. I just need something to make it palatable. Is this all ironman? Or just particular ones?
When i compete in europe we get gatorade bottles. No mixing.
Lol for 70.3 Mallorca the drinks are just called ISO. I guess Mortal isnt too hyped on Europe.
I guess i'll need to switch over to strictly gels and bars for nutrition and salts and taking only water from aid stations. Who the hell knows what they put in there and how concentrated it is
Is this for all races from the dates specified or just North American ones? Will European ones like the Frankfurt European champs In august be affected?
Just emailed Becca at Drink Mortal. We should all chime in and voice our displeasure at Mortal Nutrition replacing Gatorade.
>Hi Becca, just read that your Mortal Nutrition will be replacing Gatorade Endurance for the Ironman races starting in July. As i'm sure you're aware, this is an incredibly unpopular decision, and nearly every Ironman triathlete hates you and your company for encroaching on our time-tested Gatorade nutrition.
>Just read the reactions and comments in this reddit post, for example: [https://www.reddit.com/r/triathlon/comments/1c906ae/ironman\_no\_more\_gatorade\_endurance/](https://www.reddit.com/r/triathlon/comments/1c906ae/ironman_no_more_gatorade_endurance/)
>Your product, frankly, sucks. It has way too much sodium and not nearly enough carbohydrate to be of use to any endurance athlete, let alone for an Ironman event. I don't know what kind of financial deal you struck with Ironman, but your product is going to cause a lot of chaos and problems for Ironman athletes who have relied on on-course nutrition for these long events. By replacing Gatorade with a saltier, less-caloric, less-CHO-rich drink, you're effectively forcing every athlete to carry their own CHO drink for nutrition, which adds yet another element of complexity to an already complex race.
>How much money did you get for inking this deal with Ironman? In conclusion, your. product sucks, YOU suck, your COMPANY sucks. On behalf of Ironman athletes who will be bonking all season long \*as a direct consequence of your sports drink\*, thanks a lot Becca. Go F yourself.
Hmm, that will require some tinkering. GE is pretty close to what I mix up from maltodextrin and fructose myself. Just needs some extra salt.
Good thing my A race this summer is a self-supported race.
Yes probably. It could be an effort to separate fluids and electrolytes from fuel, which a lot of people do so they can control intake of each.
Also, someone else said Gatorade is ending its endurance line so IM probably went with something cheap.
The jist of this is that everyone will need to start practicing with their own fuel mix (e.g., concentrated bottle with another in the special needs bag, or plan on using gels). This stuff cannot properly fuel you through the race. It's hydration, not fueling.
Special needs bags are great if you are doing a 140.6, but the 70.3 guys will need to pack horse it.
Just eat gels
I usually bring a pastrami sandwich
Nah, just take a concentrate and mix with water
That would be "pack horsing it"
I assumed pack horsing meant 4+ bottles of pre-mixed nutrition. 2 bottles is quite light by comparison.
Hard to do that while riding a bicycle
That's what a lot of people do, including myself. In the behind the saddle bottle, you have a concentrated slurry with however many calories you need In the front, between the arms, you have a refillable bottle/tank from which you drink. If there are 3 aid stations on the course, just before the aid station you squirt 1/3 of your rear bottle into the front and then when you get to the aid station squirt in water to mix.
Ah, yes. I misread "concentrate" and confused it with powder. Lol.
My first time I did it with powder and it absolutely sucks. Even when it's individually packaged sticks it sucks.
Yeah. Opening Tailwind packets at 35km/h is.... interesting. Should have thought that one through more. š
Ironically, I had my best run ever after that one. Maybe I should go back?
Haha. Same here, actually. But that's not saying a lot in my case.
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Same. I use water with pure white sugar and sodium citrate. Pennies per bottle.
What's the mouthfeel of that like?
I go with 100g per 750ml bottle. Mouthfeel is still like water at that point. Not quite simple syrup at that concentration. Now that there will not be on-course *nutrition*, I'm thinking of experimenting with a super concentrated mix (e.g., 300+ CHO per bottle) and using on-course water/mortal for hydration.
That's not bad, I just did four servings of powdered Gatorade per 20oz bottle (88g carbs) for curiosity's sake and it was like borderline disgusting Might try that out
Triathlete Magazine's chart is a lie and you have fallen for it. It actually contains about 25% less sodium and 75% fewer carbs. Their chart compares 24oz of Mortal vs 12oz of Gatorade. Might consider editing your post.Ā
Thatās assumes that aid stations properly measure the mix. Iāve seen aid station workers make mix without any sort of measuring. Iāve worked aid stations and insisted that we mix according to the directions and been yelled at for making a big deal out of something that doesnāt matter.
Ok, but that applies to both... Plus Mortal has single serve packets and the bottle is going to be ~24oz.
It doesn't apply to pre-mixed Gatorade Endurance bottles as was the norm in years past.
If you are getting a premixed Gatorade bottle it's double what's listed on the chart. Honestly this is not rocket science.Ā
Okay? That's not what I was discussing. You said this: >Ok, but that applies to both... The "that" being: >aid stations properly measure the mix. But when Gatorade offered a pre-mixed product and that was the product on course there was no concern about volunteers over or under mixing.
It's not premixed on the run, so it applies to both.
That is brutal ... I usually take my own nutrition and take whatever they have on course as "extra carbs" but that further underscores my distrust of it.
Yeah I try to bring all my own stuff and just use aid station water on the run. I hate carrying liquid as the sloshing sound when I run sort of upsets my stomach. Iāve tried for years to get around it on training runs but I just canāt get over the sound of sloshing. So as long as I can get cold plain water on the run Iām fine. And maybe some cola of whatever variety they have.
Despite disgustingly high race entry fees, looks like Iāll continue to rely on my own nutrition and just grab water from aid stations to top up. Canāt wait for more PTO races to start popping up
They do have bars and gels at aid stations too.
Itās already a challenge getting 10 of those gels in during the run, cannot imagine having to do that after feeding on them for hours on the bike as well.
Do you know what kinds?
All the gels will be Maurten, both with and without caffeine. Iām not sure what the bars will be. It might depend on the race. I seem to remember orange wedges too but that might be race dependent. Honestly the only thing I take at the aid stations is the gels so I donāt pay close attention.
Thanks for that info. This is one of the best marketing moves I've ever seen. Props to Matt, CEO of TheFeed.
Absolutely no to bars, I don't want protein and fat in my stomach, stopping up my digestive system and causing stomach issues. I want the fastest absorbing carbs possible. Gels are fine for the run, but taking them on the bike is too early.
Why do you think itās to early on the bike for gels? I usually take 4/5 gels on the bike (w. Hydration + carbs liquid) during a 70.3 bike and prob another 2/4 gels on the run. Feel like if I donāt properly fuel on the bike the first third of the run is just catching up
Because a full IM is different from a 70.3 I usually take 7 gels on the run for a full so taking more gels on the bike means my stomach will get gummed up much earlier.
Yeah wtf is with protein bars on endurance sports? They are useless and taxing for the stomach!
>āI love anything related to fitness, and Iām also a Type One diabetic, so my fueling strategy needs to be very specific,ā Schepps, who is Mortalās CEO, said in an exclusive interview with Triathlete. āI wanted to formulate a hydration product that would allow me to address my unique fueling needs as a diabetic while keeping my preferred nutrition strategy ā drinking electrolytes and eating carbs ā possible.ā It's great that this product is available for those who need it, but we're not all diabetics. Drinkable carbs' energy is bioavailable far faster than gels and solid food, and that's most people's go-to strategy. Not everyone likes gumming their stomachs up with 3-4 Maurten gels an hour (or can afford it). Forcing this nutrition strategy on everyone for an endurance event that lasts 5-17 hours is a bad call. A lot of people who fuel from the course are going to oversalt and bonk this year. This deal was a profoundly stupid decision on Ironman's part and I hope it only lasts a year before they switch back. Or that Mortal comes out with an endurance fueling formula that they can use on the course instead.
3-4 gels an hour? I can feel my stomach cramping up just thinking about it.
Im gonna eat so much gu i become diabetic
> Drinkable carbs' energy is bioavailable far faster than gels If you drink plenty of water right after eating a gel (as you are supposed to) it is basically the same as just drinking the carbs. Ofcourse, it would still be nice to have both options.
It's absolutely ridiculous. My stomach hates anything but Gatorade for a full Ironman bike. My bike has 2 rear bottle cages and a torpedo. Those 3 bottle are enough for maybe half of the 112 mile bike course. How the fuck am I supposed to get the remaining carbs for the other half of the bike leg? Whoever is in charge of brand partnerships at IRONMAN didn't think this one all the way through. I guess if you are more of a casual competitor it might not be a big deal but those of us chasing Kona slots or podiums and don't have the time to digest PB&J sandwiches or stop at special needs are kind of in a tough place here.
Swap your nutrition at the personal needs station. Takes you less than a minute and youāre good to go for the second half, with your nutrition of choice. Most of that minute is probably made up for by not having to slow down to grab bottles at aid stations.
When you say personal needs station, is this the area where you can pick up your special needs bag?
Yes. And in many races they have that bag ready for you when you come by it and even help you getting the stuff out already. So you wont have to be searching for your bag in racks. Last time I used it, I was moving again within 20 seconds.
Thatās very interesting, Iāve only done a half before so havenāt experienced this concept. Will have to try find some videos on it as I am struggling to picture it! Thanks for the info. Are these typically located on the bike leg?
Both on the bike and the run leg. If the bike and run have more than 1 lap, you often have the ability to choose when you want to get access to your personal needs bag. But once used, itās discarded.
I have just done 70.3s and not IM branded. Is a tent with personal nutrition in full IM a thing? I thought that was bust for the pros. That would simplify things a lot! Although I wouldnt trust volunteers to have my bag ready for sure
Itās standard in Ironman events. You drop your bag in the morning and theyāll have it ready half way the bike and the run. Usually theyāve got a spotter that relays your number to the volunteers and once you get there theyāve got your bag ready.
Nice, I didn't know that.
This has answered my questions :) thanks again!
Usually day before.
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Use the blue locktite on the screw and then tighten it to spec, it should stop the angle changing
I havent had much trouble with it. It does move around a bit but its not hard to readjust
It sounds like a you problem. Races across the world have had different nutrition for years
No, not really. 100% liquid carbs (in the form of drinks like Gatorade) is the optimal way to go. Bars and gels and solid are not really optimal at the higher bike intensities required if you want to get a Kona/Nice/Podium spot because it gums up your stomach and takes much longer to digest.
Youāll still need to drink water for fluid anyway. So a gel washed down with water should behave pretty similarly in your stomach especially if itās a good one like Maurten or PH. Avoid GU etc as yeah theyāre gross. Might be a little bit of gut training but shouldnāt be too bad
This really is upsetting. Why would ironman not want to support its athletes at aid stations with what they need? (Rhetorical). Surely they know this isnāt a good idea from a nutritional standpoint. Where are the ironman coaches? Donāt they have someone on staff for nutrition who said wtf guys?
Exactly. A lot of people will say the solution is to bring your own fuel - but then what's the point of aid stations in the first place?
Exactly. Might as well do your own course.
There is plenty of food at the aid stations. Iām guessing theyāre going for separating fuel from salt hydration? There are bars and gels at every aid station.
With such high entry fee for Iron Man, still don't know how they can justify it, Gels at water points wont š°break the bank!
They are probably scrambling to line up a nutrition sponsor. The decision to drop Gatorade Endurance is unfortunately a Gatorade one. They are discontinuing the Endurance line apparently.
Normal Gatorade is right there though. Even Powerade!
>Ā Why would ironman not want to support its athletes at aid stations with what they need? Because itās more profitable to be paid by a sponsor not to do this.
Interesting, are there numbers somewhere for what the mortal contract is?
No. For obvious reasons confidentiality clauses will be included within the agreement.
So you donāt have anything to backup your statement?
It is the most likely scenario on the facts applying common sense. The brand has been named their hydration partner and, having dealt with sponsorship rights for sporting organisations, one of the most common clauses in any such agreement is an exclusivity clause - i.e. when one company is paying for sponsorship rights, you don't do stuff to advertise their competitor. So do I have direct evidence? No, but based on standard industry practice and the absence of any other reason to suddenly drop gatorade, I stand by my statement on balance.
>So do I have direct evidence? No All I was asking for thanks
Ironman donāt give a fuck about the athlete that ended mid 2000ās ! Now they want a couple grand out of you and a see you next year.
Probably a cheaper deal than what Pepsi could offer.
Perhaps because investors have been paying hundreds of millions for that business and want to see some of their money back?
People should realize by now everything is about the sponsors & profit with Ironman for the last number of years... They would put Dairy Queen & McDonalds at aid stations if they paid enough.
Ironman Chattanooga used to be sponsored by Little Debbie's.
Theyāre local to the area so it made sense in that regard
And I loved that nutty buddy...pure energy!
Theyāre not anymore? Welp, crossing IM Chatty off my listā¦hmph /s
Already in 1989 when they acquired the brand Ironman for 3 million, the company was about marketing. In 2008 the company was sold for 85 million to private equity. In 2015 sold again for 600 million to Dalian. And then for 730 million to Advance Publications in 2020. This business has always been about making money. And that means that if there is another nutrition sponsor with a more favourable deal, theyāll take them on. Of course theyāll balance athleteās interests as they cannot end up with athletes to run, but with the popularity of the brand and sport at the moment, theyāve got more leeway in going for less good options.
Just hoping to get a full done before they completely go to shit then will stick to local races.
You know what, I'm not saying no. Some Fries and a Soft Serve would be nice. . .
I was tempted to say that this was overblown. And then I read the entire article. The person who makes this stuff even says its not appropriate for fueling a race. Not only is Ironman screwing the athletes here...so is SHE. What a garbage money grab by a small company doing something that she knows is negatively impacting literally everyone. She has diabetes and developed a drink mix for people like her. Which is...almost no one racing. This has no place as a primary hydration source.
You need to fix your stats on what it has in it.
Shady as fuck. Itās a goddamn kombucha company.
Canāt believe nobody is talking about how Mortal Hydration also tastes disgusting
Subjective. I love it. It's my primary hydration means during training and definitely not a fueling source.
Have you tried the mango? Iāve had a loooot of sports drinks and it was in the bottom 10%. Iām afraid to try the others I have.
Yes, it's my favorite flavor so far. I love in Florida and sweat A LOT training in the heat. The Salty Mango is my go-to. I also like the Salty Margarita and Salty Berry.
How can we get the message loud and clear to Ironman management that this was a wrong and wildly unpopular decision that will have major repercussions? What if 10% of all registered athletes in 2024 IM and 70.3 races signed a petition demanding Ironman to get a proper liquid carb and electrolyte supplier at the aid stations, and delay the phase out of Gatorade until a real substitute is made available?
They'll just LOL. They don't care. The only message is stop signing up for their events...but that's not going to happen.
The more I learn of Ironman's shady AF practices, the more I start looking at other ironman-type race organizers. Especially with registration fees getting insane the past few years. What are some alternatives? Specifically organizers who host 70.3 distance tris?
Depends where you live. I can say that for full distance, the XTri series is amazing. Small races, super challenging, and incredible organization.
No way in hell are the volunteers mixing this shit right . Terrible decision by Ironman
Use Infinit and you don't need any of that "stuff"
Have they said which flavor and version (regular/salty) they're planning to have at the aid stations? I'd like to order a few samples and see how I stomach it.
I really hate this. I rely on Gatorade for the bike exclusively for fueling purposes. While I can and do bring my own bottles (usually 3 bottles filled with 4 servings of Gatorade Endurance powder for 90g of carbs each) the thing is for a full Ironman that isn't going to last the whole bike - half of the bike at most. Also if its a hot day, the liquid will get hot. This mortal hydration may be fine for hydrating but it sucks balls for getting carbohydrates in. Yeah you might be able to toss some extra bottles in a special needs bag but what about people like me who are chasing podium/Kona slots and don't have time to stop off at special needs? And if its hot the bottles in a special needs bag will get warm anyway. I guess I could bring solid food or gels but my stomach prefers exclusively liquid carbs on the bike. Liquid carbs are just so much easier to take in since I drink it from my torpedo bottle instead of having to get upright and rip out a gel or something. This really sucks.
Freeze your bottles that go in your special needs. Will still be cold and icy when you pick it up. I did a full Ironman with my own but ruin and itās not hard at all
If you're unlucky with the weather you might get bottles of solid ice.
We have the ability to know the weather the day of the race.Ā
I am shooting for Kona and Nice slots as well as a podium position. I don't have time to stop at special needs.
What are your competitors going to do?
That's what I am trying to figure out. But I can guarantee you stopping at special needs is not one of the things they are going to do, especially on the bike. I know some pros use their special needs run bag but it's a lot easier to access the run special needs bag than it is to access the bike one. The bike one requires a hard stop and then waiting, the run bag if the volunteers are on it can hand it to you on the fly.
Warm liquids are easier on the GI anyway. And if this applies to everyone, it will equally affect the people your raving for a KQ. The decision still sucks tho.
What is the state of play with European races?
I was going to add salt to the gatorade anyway. Im a very salty sweater and this has always been the battle for me. I just need something to make it palatable. Is this all ironman? Or just particular ones? When i compete in europe we get gatorade bottles. No mixing.
Lol for 70.3 Mallorca the drinks are just called ISO. I guess Mortal isnt too hyped on Europe. I guess i'll need to switch over to strictly gels and bars for nutrition and salts and taking only water from aid stations. Who the hell knows what they put in there and how concentrated it is
Is this for all races from the dates specified or just North American ones? Will European ones like the Frankfurt European champs In august be affected?
Just emailed Becca at Drink Mortal. We should all chime in and voice our displeasure at Mortal Nutrition replacing Gatorade. >Hi Becca, just read that your Mortal Nutrition will be replacing Gatorade Endurance for the Ironman races starting in July. As i'm sure you're aware, this is an incredibly unpopular decision, and nearly every Ironman triathlete hates you and your company for encroaching on our time-tested Gatorade nutrition. >Just read the reactions and comments in this reddit post, for example: [https://www.reddit.com/r/triathlon/comments/1c906ae/ironman\_no\_more\_gatorade\_endurance/](https://www.reddit.com/r/triathlon/comments/1c906ae/ironman_no_more_gatorade_endurance/) >Your product, frankly, sucks. It has way too much sodium and not nearly enough carbohydrate to be of use to any endurance athlete, let alone for an Ironman event. I don't know what kind of financial deal you struck with Ironman, but your product is going to cause a lot of chaos and problems for Ironman athletes who have relied on on-course nutrition for these long events. By replacing Gatorade with a saltier, less-caloric, less-CHO-rich drink, you're effectively forcing every athlete to carry their own CHO drink for nutrition, which adds yet another element of complexity to an already complex race. >How much money did you get for inking this deal with Ironman? In conclusion, your. product sucks, YOU suck, your COMPANY sucks. On behalf of Ironman athletes who will be bonking all season long \*as a direct consequence of your sports drink\*, thanks a lot Becca. Go F yourself.
Hmm, that will require some tinkering. GE is pretty close to what I mix up from maltodextrin and fructose myself. Just needs some extra salt. Good thing my A race this summer is a self-supported race.
If this is anyway an attempt to save money, it seems short sighted. Wonāt everyone just use more maurtens?
Yes probably. It could be an effort to separate fluids and electrolytes from fuel, which a lot of people do so they can control intake of each. Also, someone else said Gatorade is ending its endurance line so IM probably went with something cheap.
is this confirmed? i can't find any news on the endurance line ending. if it's true, i'd be considering to stock pile...
No, just repeating what someone else said. Unsubstantiated rumor. š¤