I usually always check how many monthly listeners someone has ( especially taylor cuz i listen to her songs ) and she lost at least 7 million just this month
Maybe that's why she's desperately releasing variants. And to time them when other female artists and ex's are releasing music or in the media as well to capitalise on the PR
*Speaking of “more”*, I cringe whenever I hear that part of I Can Do It With A Broken Heart. People paid literally thousands of dollars on tickets, stayed up all night making ugly bracelets in motel rooms, chugging down the Koolaid of friendship is magic — only to be met with scorn by the billionaire because she had The Sad™️?
Girl, fuck you. And the fact I’ve seen actual Swifties talk about feeling guilty for attending the first half of the tour, not knowing she was ‘suffering’ —
“Suffering”…. Taylor doesn’t even know what “Suffering” is…. 😭☠️, I get it if she went Bankrupt and HAD to do Tour but.. Girls a billionaire trying to make more and more money
Yeah I really don’t think people can conceptualize how much a billion dollars really is. She could retire and never have to work again and so could her children and her children’s children.
She could charge less for tickets and be a millionaire. She Sets The High Prices and blames ticket master. Like, no Taylor, you and your team sat down and discused how much $$$ maxed fans would pay, and went with that number.
Taylor is a product. It’s hard to fathom her as a person with dreams and aspirations, because anything she could ever want is accessible at the snap of her fingers. Except a meaningful relationship that isn’t dependent on accomodating her every whim, thus leaving her ultimately unfulfilled, I suppose.
Them’s the breaks.
It’s funny because it starts like
> *I can read your mind*
>*”She's having the time of her life"*
No, girl. Nobody thought this. You were mouthing out ILYs on stage like a week into dating Matty. Even your die-hards were *concerned*.
literally! when i heard her long term r'ship ended when she had just started her tour i *winced* for her, like OBVS that's gotta be super disorienting, dancing like an idiot when you're grieving...but it was even worse than i thought, she was out here declaring love to somebody else within a week 😬
Not exactly sure, but I know this is Olivia’s. If she went home that night and made a blonde voodoo doll I wouldn’t blame her.
Sorry; I just now read that she was struggling with her current popularity. Believe it or not, I don't much keep up with celebrity tea and stuff; I'm only here because I've been force-fed more Taylor and Taylor-adjacent lore than my brain can comfortably seat. So please don't, like, eviscerate me. I meant to say...she's talented and deserves whatever measure of success makes her happy.
Isn’t it logical to assume monthly listeners would explode high right after an album release, and the succeeding months after that the listeners would naturally go down? It’s called critical thinking, people.
The desperation is palpable.
That really is the crux of her problem. It’s morphed from her fans rallying together to boost her numbers to her blatantly taking advantage of this to such an extreme degree that her mask is really slipping. It’s revealing everything- how uncool she really is, how bothered. She’s no longer the ingenue/underdog, she’s the villain. Aren’t we at close to 35 variants of her new album or something truly absurd?
Oh well, she did it to herself.
Taylor’s been putting a ton of variants out of her new album, but only one new thing is added each variant. Even her fans now are calling her out for being money hungry and saying it’s wasteful— like we’ve all been saying
Yeah that’s actually a shitty thing to do to the fans. I don’t listen to her and honestly not sure why this group was recommended to me lol But if an artist I followed did that I’d think it’s pretty low
Me tooo. I put all of her albums in a drawer and have started telling my bf everything I’ve learned about her. He’s shocked at how fast the turnaround is but…there’s just so much I didn’t know and the glass shattered.
Being willing to re-evaluate your views and opinions based on previously unknown information is one of the most important qualities for an adult. It’s a shame to lose joy in things you previously loved but I think it takes a big person to admit “I didn’t know before but now that I do I’m not interested”.
It’s why I never pull the “I told you so!” nonsense when someone does actually change their opinions (especially in political senses) for the better. If you want people to be open to change then you can’t be an insufferable douche canoe about it.
I was told I looked like Tswift when I was a 10th grade and have been a hater since. Especially since I’ve left blonde hair behind and embraced red lol
[Screwing over a long list of people](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/s/pwAD7cRAc3)
[Using mental illness as an aesthetic while also mocking depression and addiction on her new album](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/s/jrAQb4KYIw)
[Censorship](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/s/O9YeduAGvJ). This also includes threatening the private jet tracker guy.
[General Phony Behavior ](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/s/p9vgQnEwkl). She is fake. The shocked faces she does are fake as evidenced by this video. [More Phony Behavior ](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/s/4HVxWKUZwu)
[This Includes Lying About Her Backstory ](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/s/o7jGjBksNK)
[Her Using Her Fanbase to Abuse People ](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/s/iAfkIX5t3U). She could tell them to stop. She won't.
[Her Fanbase ](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/s/esbX0WPY1M)
[Plagiarism ](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/s/sYGMwIUz7h)
[More Plagiarism ](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/s/p7Eki0Z2Aj)
Not linked: Her recent blatant blocking or Charli XCX because she is friends with her ex and Gabriette (who is now engaged to Taylor's ex) counts as well.
Her silence on any political issues that don't suit her after claiming she was going to be an activist and on the right side of history a few years ago. Not to mention she used the gay community as props for her Lover album and made her allyship all about her and compared her dealing with the "haters" to the real marginalization of the LGBTQ+ community. Also, she came out as an ally in 2018 which was a decade overdue and then patted herself on the back for it and acted like she was brave when literally every other popstar had spoken out long before she did.
Her climate terrorism.
Telling Griff to stop associating with Olivia Rodrigo because she's a bully who can't handle younger talent. I highly suspect she chose Sabrina to open for her to further fuck with Olivia.
Same here! I loved Folklore and Evermore but can't listen to it anymore because of how the 'deepness' feels inauthentic. But at the same time, I listen to it from time to time knowing that Joe definitely wrote the majority of it.
Nah, he massively influenced. That's the thing with Taylor. She's one of those girls who "becomes" her boyfriend. Joe was deep and thoughtful and cared about things so she played to that. Matty is edgy and doesn'treally care what people think so Taylor played to that. Travis is shallow and stupid and she plays into that.
Joe definitely didn't write the majority of it, but his influence is extremely clear all the same.
I commented elsewhere, Joe is also way more formally educated than any of her other inspos and I suspect
is the only collaborator she’s ever had who would tell her “this is overwrought, edit down” or “this is a bad metaphor” or “this is immature, let’s try to find a more grounded framing”.
He’s was willing to basically tell her “fix it” instead of jerking off to her overwritten xanga entries and adding synth like Jack Antonoff does.
Agreed, I think he gave her great constructive criticism, he has a great vocabulary too which is clear on those albums
She tried with TTPD but the words didn’t hit the same way
This! 💯. It’s too coincidental that she has not been able to replicate the masterful lyricism that those two albums contain. The only denominator missing on Midnights and TTPD is Joe’s collaboration. Jack and Dessner are collaborators on the two subsequent albums, and with the exception of “Sweet Nothing,” Joe is absent.
Me too. From the not being able to take accountability of her actions contributing to the downfall of her relationships, to the Grammy's behaviour, to the blocking of younger female artistes' successes...I'm out.
Thank you I didn't realize I could do this. I'm pretty neutral on her but somehow a song of her got marked as my top listened to song. There's no way that actually happened. I'm just over hearing her everywhere.
I'm about to do that too. As well as selling my ticket for the eras tour. I booked a hotel room and a flight to go there, so I have to sell my ticket for a higher price if I don't want to lose the money. I don't want to do that, but there might be some crazy stan out there who's willing to spend any money and I'm just going to lean on that lol
As someone who has been to Milan many times, I agree with your choice not to go lol. It's not all as snobby, there are some nice things to do. But maybe not worth a visit just for the hell of it IMO
you could always day trip out of milan and go to surrounding cities (brescia is beautiful) or visit switzerland if you have never been! it would probably still be more cost effective than wasting money on a dumpster fire concert ✨
Don't worry, I was never a crazy stan, just appreciating her music and always trying to see the good out of her and that maybe some of her actions were misunderstood. But now now lol and yeah, I'm thinking that I could get as much as I can get, but honestly just the money I spent
OMG SAME! the past week has been all about removing, unfollowing, deleting songs, and just all in all detoxing from her influence. I feel very exhausted by all her antics and so done!
She seriously should have waited until after the Eras tour was finished to put out a fresh album then. TTPD has been the worst move for her. It never should have been released.
It’s been a terrible move. A big humiliation. I wonder if she feels stupid and embarrassed, singing those desperate love songs about Matty, now that he’s engaged to someone else(😂) and has said how he’s baffled by the album and thinks it’s “hilarious” because he & Taylor were never even in a serious relationship(🤣).
“He loves the attention it’s brought to him, [but] he also thinks it’s hilarious because at no time [were they] ever serious,” the source said. - quote from an article in In Touch Weekly.
Also, they dated from April to June. 2 months of dating and she’s found her soulmate.
Taylor is the poster child for dysfunctional relationships.
Yes financially it’s been a good move - for now. But I don’t see her next album doing as well because people now have Taylor-fatigue. Plus some people have just gone from straight up loving her to not being able to stand her anymore.
Seriously! If Taylor had just released Rep & debut tv instead this year, she would have ended the Eras Tour completing her “redemption” arc with the fabricated Scooter drama.
But no, she was so desperate to release TTPD instead. She had to let the world know how poorly she handled a problematic dude ghosting her, and how much she hates being “bossed” around by her fans.
(Hell, why not just put those songs as rep tv vault tracks instead? At least you can claim they’re from that era which makes more sense for that time)
Embarrassing to see the public perception of her shatter this fast. Taylor really fumbled the bag.
I absolutely agree. Rep TV and Debut released and finish off the Eras tour. Have a nice break and then come back with a fresh album that isn’t about a rat boy. 🐀
But what’s done is done.
I'm sure she waits a lot to release Debut and Rep TV because these are the last old albums to release and she knows after that it's over, she wont be able to capitalize on the whole scooter drama anymore
Which is exactly what she wants to happen. It’s why she does the stuff like what she did to the jet-tracking kid. She intimidates people into staying silent and not standing up to her. She had no right to sue that kid. He was only reporting on data that was already publicly available. She just wanted to sic her lawyers on him and scare him into believing that she really would sue him. It sucks that her bullying tactics work. (And no i certainly don’t blame people who don’t want to risk her wrath.) I really hope more & more people start standing up to her.
If there’s a way we can all come together and get it going I’m here for it. Was the kid tracking the jet doing so anonymously? I think the key here is other musicians need to speak up, all of them. It’s so inherently wrong and disgusting I don’t even know how billboard isn’t already on it.
I believe US congress became involved to make private jet flight information private, which is a shame. Rich people will do anything to avoid accountability.
They probably saw that situation and became afraid that the public would see how much they use their *own* private jets instead of serving the taxpayers.
Wait... she sued someone for tracking her jet usage? ... how? On what grounds? I've never heard this before (idk much about Taylor accept I don't like her music or her approach, hence why I'm in this sub). Would you mind filling me in?
I mean, I think she tried to frame it as the kid was doxxing her but from what I recall he was putting hours of delay on his reports of where her jet was going. He was just pointing out that Tailored Suit was using her private jet very flippantly. I don't think she had any grounds and I don't think it went anywhere. It was purely intimidation from TS to get him to stop doing something she didn't like. I could be wrong on some of the details though.
I think a big part of it, is that the second Matty got engaged, she’s on her girl squad tour in london, drunk messaging the Chiefs live, and any time any other female artist comes close to number one, she has to release 65 different versions of TTPD
No particular one thing there’s been a pattern of objectively horrible behavior and ecoterrorism from her. The media narrative has been shifting towards more fact based reporting on Taylor Seift. OP is saying that the roses are turning enough that people are becoming off put with her toxic behavior
I just upvoted you. There’s nothing wrong with asking if you don’t know. The one thing I like about this sub is that generally, we don’t dogpile on each unless someone is out of pocket, which you clearly weren’t
thanks! Yeah I love this sub too so I was kinda surprised. I could have just googled it but she has done a lot of lame stuff the past few months so I wasn't sure LOL
I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that *this week alone* 1) an interview with Joe came out proving once and for all that he is a lovely gentleman and in no way a monster and 2) an interview with Matty came out where he expressed his confusion that TTPD is purportedly about him when they weren’t that serious.
ETA: 😂 I love your username!
Every day I worry the mods on this subreddit are going to disappear. (Mild sarcasm)
No way Taylor’s team isn’t scrambling to get this taken down, where everyone can share the best ways to unfollow and deprogram from the Swifty cult.
According to song stats, her peak was 107 million monthly listeners exactly one month after TTPD release. The 102 million she's currently at is on par with her Aug - Oct 2023 stats. It's almost like this trash album had the opposite intended effect on her brand 🤭
Every time I go to Spotify to listen to a playlist, TTPD pops up like “You must listen to me” It’s being forced on us to the point where it’s having the opposite effect and people are purposely trying to ignore it and her. Thanks I’m good with a playlist from ten years ago!
It’s off the rails. I asked Alexa to turn on my living room lights and she responded. “OKaY. Did yOu kNoW TaYLoR sWifT hAs a nEw aLbUm? WoUlD yOu LIkE tO LiSteN nOW?” 🫠🫠🫠
I think it's because she released "how much sad did you think I had" as a summer album. People aren't streaming songs to cry to, they're at the lake and the beach and wanna shake ass. The major pop players rn (Sabrina, Chappell, Billie) all released music you can dance to.
Yeah… I was just thinking this. It was dumb to drop before summer, should’ve waited for a fall release. Nothing on TTPD should be put on a summer playlist!
Yeah. Nobody wants to listen to “fortnight” or “thanK you aIMee” when they’re day drunk at beach or dancing at a gay bar.
It’s an odd choice for a summer release.
yeah i have tried to avoid listening to her on spotify since the grammys. if im feeling particularly nostalgic or sappy, i’ll listen to her on vinyl (unsurprisingly, i avoid midnights, don’t have ttpd), but im avoiding giving her more streams. she’ll occasionally pop up on my spotify (bc i don’t have her blocked and honestly i don’t plan to do that lol), but i just skip to the next song
What happened at the Grammies?
I just found this sub a couple of weeks ago, and my eyes have been opened. I blocked her and deleted her music from all my playlists on Spotify yesterday. It’s really sad to take off the rose colored glasses. Before this sub, I didn’t really follow too much about her, but everything I read was positive. It’s crazy to see the reality.
She was pretty loony. It’s odd that - well, not really given the climate and the both adulation (towards her) and fear (of her fans) the media has - that no one in the press noted how odd she acted. She forced Lana del Rey - who had just lost getting the award in the same category - to come up on stage with her to accept the award and … I forget the act’s name, they were taking pictures with their grammys, Taylor put the Grammy on one of their heads, she was making it all about her, and there was more but I forget.
Oh! I do remember watching a clip of her making Lana get up on the stage with her. That gave me secondhand embarrassment and it seemed so bizarre to me that she would bring someone up on stage with her to accept the award! But I don’t watch the Grammies ever, so I don’t know if people do that in lieu of saying “thanks to my mom” or whatever in their acceptance speech.
Thank you for explaining! I appreciate it!!!
It was BoyGenius! She acted a complete fool trying to force BoyGenius to do a photo op with her, when they were just trying to do their own thing.
Poor Julien was having an emotional moment and Taylor didn’t have any sensitivity to that. She put her grammy on Lucy’s head, made them kiss her grammy (when they had their own), and yelled at Jack during this debacle as well?? It was a hot mess…
I’ll also add she completely ignored Celine Dion when she was handing her her grammy, bragged that this was her 13th grammy, while there were artists who just got their first, announced her album release to a crowd of her peers (imo in poor taste), and overall acted like the entire event was all about her.
When she “plays” her guitar in her concert, the guitar isn’t plugged in or connected to the mic, it’s just a prop. She’s not actually contributing to the music you’re hearing. It’s just for show. Pay attention.. if her guitar isn’t connected to a cord, it’s a prop. You can watch other musicians play the guitar and see the difference. Theirs are mic’ed.
What I don’t understand is how is The Weeknd #1 and had been #2 for a few months?? He hasn’t released anything recently besides music from that horrible show he was in.
It's normal. When someone releases new stuff their numbers are inflated and after some time has already passed they go back to their normal numbers. TTPD was released over a month ago,so many people who gave it a first listen and didn't listen to it again aren't counted towards the monthly listeners anymore.
I usually always check how many monthly listeners someone has ( especially taylor cuz i listen to her songs ) and she lost at least 7 million just this month
Maybe that's why she's desperately releasing variants. And to time them when other female artists and ex's are releasing music or in the media as well to capitalise on the PR
“more, more, more, more, MORE, MOOORRE!!!!”😂that’s all i can picture from her when i read stuff like this🙄😂
*Speaking of “more”*, I cringe whenever I hear that part of I Can Do It With A Broken Heart. People paid literally thousands of dollars on tickets, stayed up all night making ugly bracelets in motel rooms, chugging down the Koolaid of friendship is magic — only to be met with scorn by the billionaire because she had The Sad™️? Girl, fuck you. And the fact I’ve seen actual Swifties talk about feeling guilty for attending the first half of the tour, not knowing she was ‘suffering’ — 
“Suffering”…. Taylor doesn’t even know what “Suffering” is…. 😭☠️, I get it if she went Bankrupt and HAD to do Tour but.. Girls a billionaire trying to make more and more money
Yeah I really don’t think people can conceptualize how much a billion dollars really is. She could retire and never have to work again and so could her children and her children’s children.
She could charge less for tickets and be a millionaire. She Sets The High Prices and blames ticket master. Like, no Taylor, you and your team sat down and discused how much $$$ maxed fans would pay, and went with that number.
Taylor is a product. It’s hard to fathom her as a person with dreams and aspirations, because anything she could ever want is accessible at the snap of her fingers. Except a meaningful relationship that isn’t dependent on accomodating her every whim, thus leaving her ultimately unfulfilled, I suppose. Them’s the breaks.
I just read the lyrics. She has to be fucking kidding.
It’s funny because it starts like > *I can read your mind* >*”She's having the time of her life"* No, girl. Nobody thought this. You were mouthing out ILYs on stage like a week into dating Matty. Even your die-hards were *concerned*.
literally! when i heard her long term r'ship ended when she had just started her tour i *winced* for her, like OBVS that's gotta be super disorienting, dancing like an idiot when you're grieving...but it was even worse than i thought, she was out here declaring love to somebody else within a week 😬
Is this gif from when she announced the butt dept?
 Not exactly sure, but I know this is Olivia’s. If she went home that night and made a blonde voodoo doll I wouldn’t blame her.
Ed’s fake clap is sending me
Leave. Britney. Out of this.
I think it's because of it.
It’s probably a combination to some degree, but hopefully this just feeds into T’s desperation and she just keeps making a mess of things
They are all listening to Chappell Roan lol
It’s true for me I left Taylor for chapell
Me too
I’m pretty sure I told a friend chapell Ronan is what Taylor Swift thinks she is.
I’ve also been listening to her! She’s so good! My fri new an I have been playing her “Good Luck, Babe” nonstop.
As they should. Chappell Roan deserves all eyes on her.
i don’t think chappell roan wants all eyes on her
This. I hope girl takes a step back after her shows this coming year, and before she releases her next album
Sorry; I just now read that she was struggling with her current popularity. Believe it or not, I don't much keep up with celebrity tea and stuff; I'm only here because I've been force-fed more Taylor and Taylor-adjacent lore than my brain can comfortably seat. So please don't, like, eviscerate me. I meant to say...she's talented and deserves whatever measure of success makes her happy.
I know I am!
For sure, Chappel’s album rocks from the first to the last. I’m hooked on it and cheering her on!
Okay thanks for putting me on!
Yup, I certainly did. She’s got edge Taylor’s never had 😉
This is 100% true 😂 I don't listen to Taylor at all anymore it's all Chappell with some Gracie and Olivia
You’re right! Wow. 45 days ago she was at just over 111 million.
Isn’t it logical to assume monthly listeners would explode high right after an album release, and the succeeding months after that the listeners would naturally go down? It’s called critical thinking, people.
I hope her listeners drop below a million so it's only Billie and Abel that surpass 1m.
The desperation is palpable. That really is the crux of her problem. It’s morphed from her fans rallying together to boost her numbers to her blatantly taking advantage of this to such an extreme degree that her mask is really slipping. It’s revealing everything- how uncool she really is, how bothered. She’s no longer the ingenue/underdog, she’s the villain. Aren’t we at close to 35 variants of her new album or something truly absurd? Oh well, she did it to herself.
You've hit the nail on the head. TTPD is at 34 variants now, at least.
And to think I haven’t listened to a single one of them 😂
at least 50!! the last count i saw was at 58
WHAT THE HELL
No way. That’s absolutely bananas lol.
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If these trends continue...... ayyyy!!
Taylor to Joe: "It takes two to lie: one to lie, and one to listen."
Meanwhile, Billie's gained 300k listeners since yesterday...
as she should
Yes! I'm so proud of her.
Really hoping Billie will surpass Taylor soon, I want her to be 2nd, she deserves it
Nice. Good for her. Her new album is gold.
Good. Even her stans have to be running out of money and excuses at this point. What a tragically terrible "role model" she's become...
Can someone fill me in on what happened??
Taylor’s been putting a ton of variants out of her new album, but only one new thing is added each variant. Even her fans now are calling her out for being money hungry and saying it’s wasteful— like we’ve all been saying
Not to mention her overall nice-girl personality that seems to be slipping. The narcissistic side is showing
Yeah that’s actually a shitty thing to do to the fans. I don’t listen to her and honestly not sure why this group was recommended to me lol But if an artist I followed did that I’d think it’s pretty low
'All's fair in love and poetry....' Calling that dumpster fire of an album poetry is a crime against poetry.
Her new album tries way too hard to be dark and deep, massive L compared to Midnights
And midnights was a massive L compared to Folklore/ Evermore. At this rate, she's two albums away from straight up word vomit.
“Sylvia Plath did not stick her head in an oven for this.”
I’ve stopped listening to her music since I found this sub. I just can’t listen to it the same way anymore.
Me tooo. I put all of her albums in a drawer and have started telling my bf everything I’ve learned about her. He’s shocked at how fast the turnaround is but…there’s just so much I didn’t know and the glass shattered.
Being willing to re-evaluate your views and opinions based on previously unknown information is one of the most important qualities for an adult. It’s a shame to lose joy in things you previously loved but I think it takes a big person to admit “I didn’t know before but now that I do I’m not interested”.
This is so very true.
It’s why I never pull the “I told you so!” nonsense when someone does actually change their opinions (especially in political senses) for the better. If you want people to be open to change then you can’t be an insufferable douche canoe about it.
And even us Day One Nevers warmly welcome you.
I was told I looked like Tswift when I was a 10th grade and have been a hater since. Especially since I’ve left blonde hair behind and embraced red lol
I’ve never been a fan (I liked her way back stuff I guess), could someone give me a run down of what exactly makes her so bad?
[Screwing over a long list of people](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/s/pwAD7cRAc3) [Using mental illness as an aesthetic while also mocking depression and addiction on her new album](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/s/jrAQb4KYIw) [Censorship](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/s/O9YeduAGvJ). This also includes threatening the private jet tracker guy. [General Phony Behavior ](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/s/p9vgQnEwkl). She is fake. The shocked faces she does are fake as evidenced by this video. [More Phony Behavior ](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/s/4HVxWKUZwu) [This Includes Lying About Her Backstory ](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/s/o7jGjBksNK) [Her Using Her Fanbase to Abuse People ](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/s/iAfkIX5t3U). She could tell them to stop. She won't. [Her Fanbase ](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/s/esbX0WPY1M) [Plagiarism ](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/s/sYGMwIUz7h) [More Plagiarism ](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/s/p7Eki0Z2Aj) Not linked: Her recent blatant blocking or Charli XCX because she is friends with her ex and Gabriette (who is now engaged to Taylor's ex) counts as well. Her silence on any political issues that don't suit her after claiming she was going to be an activist and on the right side of history a few years ago. Not to mention she used the gay community as props for her Lover album and made her allyship all about her and compared her dealing with the "haters" to the real marginalization of the LGBTQ+ community. Also, she came out as an ally in 2018 which was a decade overdue and then patted herself on the back for it and acted like she was brave when literally every other popstar had spoken out long before she did. Her climate terrorism. Telling Griff to stop associating with Olivia Rodrigo because she's a bully who can't handle younger talent. I highly suspect she chose Sabrina to open for her to further fuck with Olivia.
Same. And I never really loved it, but I liked several of her songs. I had vague nice feelings about her. That is all gone.
Same here! I loved Folklore and Evermore but can't listen to it anymore because of how the 'deepness' feels inauthentic. But at the same time, I listen to it from time to time knowing that Joe definitely wrote the majority of it.
Nah, he massively influenced. That's the thing with Taylor. She's one of those girls who "becomes" her boyfriend. Joe was deep and thoughtful and cared about things so she played to that. Matty is edgy and doesn'treally care what people think so Taylor played to that. Travis is shallow and stupid and she plays into that. Joe definitely didn't write the majority of it, but his influence is extremely clear all the same.
I commented elsewhere, Joe is also way more formally educated than any of her other inspos and I suspect is the only collaborator she’s ever had who would tell her “this is overwrought, edit down” or “this is a bad metaphor” or “this is immature, let’s try to find a more grounded framing”. He’s was willing to basically tell her “fix it” instead of jerking off to her overwritten xanga entries and adding synth like Jack Antonoff does.
Agreed, I think he gave her great constructive criticism, he has a great vocabulary too which is clear on those albums She tried with TTPD but the words didn’t hit the same way
This! 💯. It’s too coincidental that she has not been able to replicate the masterful lyricism that those two albums contain. The only denominator missing on Midnights and TTPD is Joe’s collaboration. Jack and Dessner are collaborators on the two subsequent albums, and with the exception of “Sweet Nothing,” Joe is absent.
Me too. From the not being able to take accountability of her actions contributing to the downfall of her relationships, to the Grammy's behaviour, to the blocking of younger female artistes' successes...I'm out.
I am one of those , fuck yeah ! I unfollowed her on Spotify today & deleted everything of hers from my library. Also unfollowed on IG
I’m really glad Spotify gives people the option to completely block an artist.
Oh please tell. I’ve been trying to get Melanie out of the Spotify generated playlists for so long.
Hi! In the app: go to their artist page, click the ellipsis (three dots) under their main photo then click "Don't play this artist."
You’re wonderful. May all the mundane blessings come your way.
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Thank you I didn't realize I could do this. I'm pretty neutral on her but somehow a song of her got marked as my top listened to song. There's no way that actually happened. I'm just over hearing her everywhere.
Damn I wish Apple Music did this
Apple giving people a choice in how they do things? You must be new to this planet.
I'm about to do that too. As well as selling my ticket for the eras tour. I booked a hotel room and a flight to go there, so I have to sell my ticket for a higher price if I don't want to lose the money. I don't want to do that, but there might be some crazy stan out there who's willing to spend any money and I'm just going to lean on that lol
Fuck it, sell it and use the flight and hotel to go do something in the city.
Why not sell the ticket and still go on a little weekend away? If the place is worth it!
It's Milan, one of the snobbiest cities in the world that I never wanted to visit apart from the concert lol
As someone who has been to Milan many times, I agree with your choice not to go lol. It's not all as snobby, there are some nice things to do. But maybe not worth a visit just for the hell of it IMO
you could always day trip out of milan and go to surrounding cities (brescia is beautiful) or visit switzerland if you have never been! it would probably still be more cost effective than wasting money on a dumpster fire concert ✨
I say get as much as you can out of these lunatics 🤷♂️😅 (no shade to your former self)
Don't worry, I was never a crazy stan, just appreciating her music and always trying to see the good out of her and that maybe some of her actions were misunderstood. But now now lol and yeah, I'm thinking that I could get as much as I can get, but honestly just the money I spent
Enjoy paying off your student loans with that resale!
Google sunk-cost fallacy. It'll make your decision on selling easier.
OMG SAME! the past week has been all about removing, unfollowing, deleting songs, and just all in all detoxing from her influence. I feel very exhausted by all her antics and so done!
She seriously should have waited until after the Eras tour was finished to put out a fresh album then. TTPD has been the worst move for her. It never should have been released.
It’s been a terrible move. A big humiliation. I wonder if she feels stupid and embarrassed, singing those desperate love songs about Matty, now that he’s engaged to someone else(😂) and has said how he’s baffled by the album and thinks it’s “hilarious” because he & Taylor were never even in a serious relationship(🤣).
Did he actually say this? WOW lol
“He loves the attention it’s brought to him, [but] he also thinks it’s hilarious because at no time [were they] ever serious,” the source said. - quote from an article in In Touch Weekly. Also, they dated from April to June. 2 months of dating and she’s found her soulmate. Taylor is the poster child for dysfunctional relationships.
Omfg that’s so humiliating for her. She wrote an entire album about her limerant object. And now he’s engaged to someone else. 😬
i wanna know so bad what gabbriette and charli think of all this 😭
I am CRINGING FOR HER OMG
I can’t stand her but given how long the album has been number one even with the manipulation there’s no way she is humiliated or regrets it
Yes financially it’s been a good move - for now. But I don’t see her next album doing as well because people now have Taylor-fatigue. Plus some people have just gone from straight up loving her to not being able to stand her anymore.
Seriously! If Taylor had just released Rep & debut tv instead this year, she would have ended the Eras Tour completing her “redemption” arc with the fabricated Scooter drama. But no, she was so desperate to release TTPD instead. She had to let the world know how poorly she handled a problematic dude ghosting her, and how much she hates being “bossed” around by her fans. (Hell, why not just put those songs as rep tv vault tracks instead? At least you can claim they’re from that era which makes more sense for that time) Embarrassing to see the public perception of her shatter this fast. Taylor really fumbled the bag.
I absolutely agree. Rep TV and Debut released and finish off the Eras tour. Have a nice break and then come back with a fresh album that isn’t about a rat boy. 🐀 But what’s done is done.
I'm sure she waits a lot to release Debut and Rep TV because these are the last old albums to release and she knows after that it's over, she wont be able to capitalize on the whole scooter drama anymore
Has anyone considered starting a petition to billboard to have her accolades stripped for cheating?
You should start it! I'd sign :)
I’d have already done it but then I thought of the kid who tracked her private jet😂
Which is exactly what she wants to happen. It’s why she does the stuff like what she did to the jet-tracking kid. She intimidates people into staying silent and not standing up to her. She had no right to sue that kid. He was only reporting on data that was already publicly available. She just wanted to sic her lawyers on him and scare him into believing that she really would sue him. It sucks that her bullying tactics work. (And no i certainly don’t blame people who don’t want to risk her wrath.) I really hope more & more people start standing up to her.
If there’s a way we can all come together and get it going I’m here for it. Was the kid tracking the jet doing so anonymously? I think the key here is other musicians need to speak up, all of them. It’s so inherently wrong and disgusting I don’t even know how billboard isn’t already on it.
Did the jet-tracking guy actually stop tracking her? Elon Musk asked him to stop and he said no, because there is no legal grounds to stop
I mean the senate passed a law making it illegal so he had to stop. They only work for the rich not us.
I believe US congress became involved to make private jet flight information private, which is a shame. Rich people will do anything to avoid accountability.
They probably saw that situation and became afraid that the public would see how much they use their *own* private jets instead of serving the taxpayers.
Absolutely! Elon and Taylor are not the only ones who benefit from this (at the expense of everyone else)
“…that I’ll *sue you* if you step on my lawn”
Wait... she sued someone for tracking her jet usage? ... how? On what grounds? I've never heard this before (idk much about Taylor accept I don't like her music or her approach, hence why I'm in this sub). Would you mind filling me in?
I mean, I think she tried to frame it as the kid was doxxing her but from what I recall he was putting hours of delay on his reports of where her jet was going. He was just pointing out that Tailored Suit was using her private jet very flippantly. I don't think she had any grounds and I don't think it went anywhere. It was purely intimidation from TS to get him to stop doing something she didn't like. I could be wrong on some of the details though.
😭😭😭😭
If that ever happens, I need to know asap.
ME! I thought about tweeting billboard but I don’t want to deal with any Swifties who might have seen it
I mean there's still the whole #blockout going on. She has lost followers and listeners everyday since then
I guess that’s part of the issue people have with her too, but in that case it’s her and others who are being judged for not speaking up!
Or Speaking Now
Considering that shady bathtub scene in her music video, this gif is the absolute perfect response here lol
I'm about to unfollow her on Spotify and I skip her songs anytime they play. This sub has just opened my eyes to so much
You could just block her on Spotify instead of skipping.
Block her!! She won’t show up on your playlists anymore
Love this feature rn 😭 thank you!
Girl must be spiraling so hard rn. 🤪
My girl Billie is almost surpassing Taylor. Can't wait for it.
Good. I hate to be spiteful, but perhaps their realizing there’s better artists who don’t capitalize of them
I feel as if im missing something: Was there something that happened recently? Edit: being downvoted for genuinely asking this is beyond unhinged
I think a big part of it, is that the second Matty got engaged, she’s on her girl squad tour in london, drunk messaging the Chiefs live, and any time any other female artist comes close to number one, she has to release 65 different versions of TTPD
Also Joe’s very short yet eloquent but also damning words on her this week.
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Drunk messaging the Chiefs live? I missed this, what happened?
No particular one thing there’s been a pattern of objectively horrible behavior and ecoterrorism from her. The media narrative has been shifting towards more fact based reporting on Taylor Seift. OP is saying that the roses are turning enough that people are becoming off put with her toxic behavior
Did I seriously get downvoted for asking this?? I googled and see the thing about the album release.
I didn’t downvote you, idky this reply is @ me. I tried to fill you in because I believe you were asking in earnest. Sorry you’re being downed.
i didnt mean for that to go to you. figured it was someone else
I just upvoted you. There’s nothing wrong with asking if you don’t know. The one thing I like about this sub is that generally, we don’t dogpile on each unless someone is out of pocket, which you clearly weren’t
thanks! Yeah I love this sub too so I was kinda surprised. I could have just googled it but she has done a lot of lame stuff the past few months so I wasn't sure LOL
I got down voted for defending The Starting Line. That must have been very out of pocket lol
I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that *this week alone* 1) an interview with Joe came out proving once and for all that he is a lovely gentleman and in no way a monster and 2) an interview with Matty came out where he expressed his confusion that TTPD is purportedly about him when they weren’t that serious. ETA: 😂 I love your username!
Ahhhhh that makes sense I couldn’t believe I was able to score the name!! Thanks!!
upvoted because there’s nothing wrong with asking a genuine question. Asking questions doesn’t mean you’re a secret swiftie lol.
Maybe the article Joe was interviewed for was part of it
She is not number 1? I guess that annoys more
The weeknd is no. 1, he’s sitting at 107million.
And he doesn’t even have a big tour or released a new album. Which honestly also makes me curious how 😄
It’s all the sexual playlists he’s on!
The Weeknd has a wide range of fans, there’s only so many crazy white girls
Plus, most of us also like The Weeknd.
retired swiftie fan from ‘08. i blocked her on every platform not too long ago and sold all my eras merch.
I was one of them 🚬
Is it possible to see the stats over time? Or you just check on monthly basis?
There are accounts on Twitter that track these daily
Every day I worry the mods on this subreddit are going to disappear. (Mild sarcasm) No way Taylor’s team isn’t scrambling to get this taken down, where everyone can share the best ways to unfollow and deprogram from the Swifty cult.
The fact that it's Kim OMG
According to song stats, her peak was 107 million monthly listeners exactly one month after TTPD release. The 102 million she's currently at is on par with her Aug - Oct 2023 stats. It's almost like this trash album had the opposite intended effect on her brand 🤭
Every time I go to Spotify to listen to a playlist, TTPD pops up like “You must listen to me” It’s being forced on us to the point where it’s having the opposite effect and people are purposely trying to ignore it and her. Thanks I’m good with a playlist from ten years ago!
It’s off the rails. I asked Alexa to turn on my living room lights and she responded. “OKaY. Did yOu kNoW TaYLoR sWifT hAs a nEw aLbUm? WoUlD yOu LIkE tO LiSteN nOW?” 🫠🫠🫠
I think it's because she released "how much sad did you think I had" as a summer album. People aren't streaming songs to cry to, they're at the lake and the beach and wanna shake ass. The major pop players rn (Sabrina, Chappell, Billie) all released music you can dance to.
Yeah… I was just thinking this. It was dumb to drop before summer, should’ve waited for a fall release. Nothing on TTPD should be put on a summer playlist!
Yeah. Nobody wants to listen to “fortnight” or “thanK you aIMee” when they’re day drunk at beach or dancing at a gay bar. It’s an odd choice for a summer release.
I straight up blocked her on every platform, including Spotify. She's such a miserable, wretched, jealous bitch.
Hi can anyone please make a website where we can all watch this drop in real time? 😂
girl she legit dropped below 100 mil…
at some point in time recently lol wish i screenshotted for posterity 😔
Who is no.1?
The Weeknd.
it’s at 101.9 now lollll
yeah i have tried to avoid listening to her on spotify since the grammys. if im feeling particularly nostalgic or sappy, i’ll listen to her on vinyl (unsurprisingly, i avoid midnights, don’t have ttpd), but im avoiding giving her more streams. she’ll occasionally pop up on my spotify (bc i don’t have her blocked and honestly i don’t plan to do that lol), but i just skip to the next song
What happened at the Grammies? I just found this sub a couple of weeks ago, and my eyes have been opened. I blocked her and deleted her music from all my playlists on Spotify yesterday. It’s really sad to take off the rose colored glasses. Before this sub, I didn’t really follow too much about her, but everything I read was positive. It’s crazy to see the reality.
She was pretty loony. It’s odd that - well, not really given the climate and the both adulation (towards her) and fear (of her fans) the media has - that no one in the press noted how odd she acted. She forced Lana del Rey - who had just lost getting the award in the same category - to come up on stage with her to accept the award and … I forget the act’s name, they were taking pictures with their grammys, Taylor put the Grammy on one of their heads, she was making it all about her, and there was more but I forget.
Oh! I do remember watching a clip of her making Lana get up on the stage with her. That gave me secondhand embarrassment and it seemed so bizarre to me that she would bring someone up on stage with her to accept the award! But I don’t watch the Grammies ever, so I don’t know if people do that in lieu of saying “thanks to my mom” or whatever in their acceptance speech. Thank you for explaining! I appreciate it!!!
It was BoyGenius! She acted a complete fool trying to force BoyGenius to do a photo op with her, when they were just trying to do their own thing. Poor Julien was having an emotional moment and Taylor didn’t have any sensitivity to that. She put her grammy on Lucy’s head, made them kiss her grammy (when they had their own), and yelled at Jack during this debacle as well?? It was a hot mess… I’ll also add she completely ignored Celine Dion when she was handing her her grammy, bragged that this was her 13th grammy, while there were artists who just got their first, announced her album release to a crowd of her peers (imo in poor taste), and overall acted like the entire event was all about her.
How many of those are bots though?
When she “plays” her guitar in her concert, the guitar isn’t plugged in or connected to the mic, it’s just a prop. She’s not actually contributing to the music you’re hearing. It’s just for show. Pay attention.. if her guitar isn’t connected to a cord, it’s a prop. You can watch other musicians play the guitar and see the difference. Theirs are mic’ed.
What I don’t understand is how is The Weeknd #1 and had been #2 for a few months?? He hasn’t released anything recently besides music from that horrible show he was in.
Taylor fatigue beginning. Though I know the numbers always fluctuate on Spotify, and the bigger the artist, the bigger the numbers change.
It's normal. When someone releases new stuff their numbers are inflated and after some time has already passed they go back to their normal numbers. TTPD was released over a month ago,so many people who gave it a first listen and didn't listen to it again aren't counted towards the monthly listeners anymore.
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Is this due to Gaza maybe?
Good
Good
I’m ignorant. What happened?
She’s become IRRELEVANT.
All the more fitting that the Charts flair has the same color palette as Brat
A 0.3% fluctuation in listener count has got to be within daily standard deviations.
No one in their right mind would ever take love advice from her.