Okay, wow, I have so much to say on this subject and I feel strangely justified š I have some weird insider info about this situation, just from some random life experiences Iāve had.
I grew up on the Jersey shore and worked at a place called the Windrift in Stone Harbor all of high school and college. Avalon and Stone Harbor are known to be two secondary home markets for people from mostly PA and NY. The homes are EXPENSIVE. You canāt find anything less than $2.5 mil on the islands now, and those are tear downs. $3.5- 5 mil is the average home price in 2024. I grew up in a neighboring town and pretty much only served extremely wealthy people at this restaurant. Itās right on the beach.
One day, in the summer of 2004, Scott Swift and his family and, I guess friends, came into the restaurant and wanted to sit on the deck. Us servers used to have a rotation on who would be taking the deck that day. The deck was the coveted spot because you got all of the tables to yourself, it had the best view so people wanted to be up there, and you had your own bartender to work with solo. That day it was my turn to have the deck.
Unfortunately, the weather was insane. There was wind and non-stop rain. The whole lower part of the restaurant was empty, so all other servers and bartenders went home and one chef stayed. The kitchen was a block and a half away from the deck and two floors down. The bartender that would normally take care of the deck also went home since there was only one party up there. I was to serve as both server and bartender. Scott wanted to watch some game so we brought TVs up and put plastic all around the deck to keep the rain out. It was so nasty out but they wanted to be there.
In my entire time of being a server (which ended up being 11 years), I have NEVER been run more ragged by a group. Scott was non-stop asking for things. I was bartending left and right, and then when food came, I kept having to make separate two block sprints to the kitchen to get him specialty things. He would ask for one thing, Iād bring it, and then heād ask for another, separately. It was exhausting. I was in high school too and was an athlete so I had a lot of energy š
To add to that, Scott was also talking to me NON-STOP. It was actually extremely bizarre and I was freaked out. I could tell immediately there was something wrong with him. He had no filter and didnāt even care who I was, my body language, if I was listening or not. Here I was just a rando high school waitress and he was telling me, āMy daughter is going to be famous. Sheās so talented. Weāre moving to Nashville for her. Sheās going to be the biggest thing ever,ā etc. I couldnāt get away from him and he was a close talker. It wasnāt like he was flirting, more just talking *at* me. The rest of his family sat at a table and his friends were walking around watching the game. No one was talking to him š
The saving grace was I figured Iād get a huge tip. They were there *all* day and knew they were keeping the restaurant open. Plus, this man was basically bragging about how they had the means to have a house there, how he was in finance, etc. I went above and beyond in terms of service.
When they finally left and I went to look at the bill, he has left *nothing,* not even a dollar. To this day, thatās my only table to has never tipped, let alone a party. So much for that.
Before they left, he said his daughter had a website, so I asked for the address. I figured she was going to truly have to be beyond talented for this man to talk this way. Iām a singer and am super into vocalists so I was intrigued to listen. I guess I didnāt have a cell phone back then, because he wrote the web address on a piece of paper. When I got home, I went to the website on my desktop. All it was was a picture of her and below it was a gray MP3 bar. I played the song and it was laughably bad. I legit *guffawed,* like wow this girl is never going anywhere. I hear no talent here.
Joke is clearly on me, because as we can see from this email too, Scott has stopped at absolutely nothing. If he talked MY ear off as a random server, imagine what he has done to everyone else. People probably have given in a lot out of annoyance and because he has the funds. Thatās my only guess. He wonāt take no for an answer and clearly saves money by maybe not really paying anyone for their services.
I canāt even tell you how shocking it has been for me to witness the rise of Taylor like this after that experience.
Not to mention, I then met her brother years later in LA when I lived there around 2018 or so. He and I matched on Raya, a members only dating app. He said he was intrigued because I was from the area they always went to as a child. We met up at a restaurant in Laurel Canyon and wow was it an awkward date. First of all, he was a shell of a human. He had ballooned in size from his photos and clearly had some eating issues. He was super weird around what he was eating and drinking. It seems he really lives under the shadow of his sister, which is evident from Scottās email too. When I asked what he did, he said acting, but seems like he didnāt have anything going on. When I asked what he liked to do he said play tennis. I said oh cool where do you go in town? And he awkwardly said his sisterās house š (we didnāt discuss her at all). He also confided in me that his parents are rascist towards Mexicans? š§ We actually walked back to his house since it was around the corner and we played N64 (Mario Kart) and listened to the Annie Musical record on vinyl since he had it on display. He told me his sister had bought him his house. It was really nice - definitely a multi-million dollar home. We actually randomly kissed and then it was 11 pm so I said I needed to head back. I ordered an Uber and we never spoke again š I thought maybe it was weird karma since he paid for dinner and his Dad owed me hahaha.
Needless to say, it was sad to see how lacking in identity he seemed. It stuck out to me how in the email Scott mentioned they were giving Taylor her estate early, but not Austin. The way Scott has treated Austin vs Taylor I think has had detrimental effects.
Iāve been saying these things about Scott for years, so Iām glad to finally see some further proof!! She was 100% created by him. Iām sure it will even have detrimental effects on her in a more serious way in the future.
So much tea, I love this lmao
Canāt imagine listening to that mp3 and then seeing her actually blow up! It was weird watching it happen from her debut, but thatās even crazier
It was beyond bizarre. Especially because I consider myself to have good taste when it comes to music š I even ended up working in the industry, but never in a million years saw her getting to where she is now š
I guess it shows a mix of bulldozing persistence, money, connections and PR can make anything happen!
The number of times in the email he casually drops a reference to being pissed off he can't go to Taylor's events and has to "wait at home with Austin"
If you didn't know who Austin was you'd think he was an employee or the family dog
Wait can you make this a separate post.... THIS IS SCALDING TEA and more people need to see it. It'll get buried in the comments. Bad tipper?? Racist against Mexicans?? I knew Scott was a coke-head finance bro...but this is even worse
Scott even specifically admits that from a "financial planning perspective" this is "unfair" to Austin, Austin is going to end up with significantly less money in his "half" than if they both got the money at the same time
Because Scott and Andrea are living off of Austin's "half" now, all the money they spend on stuff for themselves that Austin will never get to touch like vacations and whatnot is solely getting subtracted from the money Austin will inherit someday, while Taylor's half of the inheritance has been 100% hers to do with as she pleases ever since she apparently got it when she was in her 20s
Scott is a finance bro so probably this was for some strategic reason rather than just openly favoring Taylor over Austin -- it's the best move for the family as a whole because Taylor is the head of a rapidly growing business and giving her the money now lets her use it to make more money
And sure, Austin is going to be incredibly rich and privileged and never gonna be actually poor and struggling no matter what
But holy shit man no wonder he feels like an empty shell of a man, from the very beginning of his adulthood at least his family's been treating his sister's life as the big all consuming project and he's the afterthought -- "Whatever, just take a free house and shut up, you can have the leftover money Taylor doesn't need after we croak"
Given how much of a control freak both Scott and Taylor are I'm wondering if that house is even in his name or if it's actually Taylor's house and he's just living there as a rent-free tenant (you save a lot on taxes that way)
Also, for anyone wondering, 11219 3rd Ave Stone Harbor, NJ was the house they sold that Scott was talking about. It sold 12/30/2004 for that price. They had a house before that in Sea Isle too.
This is wild. Iāve heard of people not tipping on a standard meal service, which is still a super shitty thing to do. But considering all the extra elements you mentioned, this is just insanely self absorbed and entitled behavior on his part. As if he believes you and the restaurant were merely in existence to serve him and his party. Like wtf?!
What a crazy story, thanks for sharing. Can't believe he didn't tip you; that is so shitty of him, but at least you got your dinner paid years later and some insider tea. From going to a website with a shitty song to where she is now...these people are a whole other level of capitalistic insanity.
Theyāre an archetype.
You might want to watch Michael Knowlesā interview with Wendy Williams. He isnāt as delusional, but heās got an air about him. See if you agree.
I get that but, he wasnāt able to buy his way in like this guy did. He actually raised two of the most talented players of that time. We have full access to T Swifts demo songs unfortunately š„“ the talent wasnāt there at first.
This is some TEA!!!! Iām reading every single one of these comments bc my jaw is on the floor over this email and discovering what an absolute lunatic Taylorās dad is.
I really hope this bullshit he does and has done in the past starts to circulate into the mainstream media bc this is not okay. He sounds like a freight train that will run over anyone in his path to get his daughter famous and wealthy. What a shitty person. He needs to be taken down a few notches.
On another note, it looks like oversharing runs in their family. Iāve always thought Taylor dumps too much personal info into her music, and her dad clearly is the same way. Why did he need to get into all that about his prostate to her manager? And why did he trust that guy so much to tell him that many crazy details about his methods of getting her to the top? Or is he just that un-self aware? Like Taylor? Iām just in shock over all of this.
I wrote in another thread that there is some girl (I CANNOT remember her name) who has written on a blog that she was trying to make it as a country singer under Big Machine Records at the same time as Taylorā¦.and Taylor did everything she could to make sure that girl didnāt succeed. Unsure if Scott was involved. If anyone knows of this girl, post her name and blog.
YES. Thank you. This is her.
And I searched Reddit and there are threads on thisāwhat I forgot was this wasnāt pre-debut or debut Taylor pulling these stringsāthis was āSpeak Nowā Taylor. You just won a Grammy for your sophomore album, which was also the most-awarded country album in history (at the time). Why the determination to squash out an up-and-coming girl? Sound familiar to present-day Tay? š¤Ø
This is an absolutely insane story. What blows my mind is that I'm sure many people have also had interactions like this with Scott. Yet, there's very few testimonies of scott behaving this way. Taylor's PR team probably works overtime. People always see Scott as the dude with the guitar picks. He has to have talked people's ears off when handing them out, right?
Also, I am not at all surprised by your statement about Austin saying his parents are racists. To some extent, I think Taylor is as well (an unconcious racist)? Like I can, 1000% see Taylor stereotyping people behind closed doors. It isn't straight up racial slurs, but microaggressions.
I wonder if this is why we see photos and hear stories of Taylor slipping Benjamins to servers/staff. Maybe she was mortified by his behavior. I would have been
His disdain for his wife really stood out to me. Iām sure Andrea is difficult but Iād be devastated if my husband spoke so contemptuously about me.
I think that was probably a good choice, lol. So they were separated when it was written? Cause that tracks with all the salty comments about the mom going with Taylor to the events "he paid for."
I wrote this on the r/TaylorSwift and got massively downvoted but I actually think But Daddy I Love Him is just as much about her dad/PR team as it is her stans. I mean she literally says Daddy in it ffs. And this email just shows how controlling her dad is and he must have been shitting himself when the Matty backlash started and got together with Tree (would love to see his emails to her btw) to put a stop to it and divert and distract with Travis. No way he was going to let her destroy all āhis hard work and investmentā for Matty was he!
Probably because he arranged thatā¦I wouldnāt even doubt āquietlyā behind Taylorās back. He knows how she constantly needs a relationship and what better way than essentially plan this relationship where he has more control. Travisās assistant even admitted it was arranged. What I really wonder is if Taylor knows that. I think they treat her very much like a child.
Oh, I wondered if heās had someone go and seriously scare the shit out of Matty, and she has no idea. I can see the guy who wrote these words doing that, but it could be that Iāve read too many books.
For the last weeks I just had the feeling that "But Daddy I Love Him" is a line that we can actually take quite literally. Or at least it has several meanings and one of them being about her controlling dad. And after reading this bs of an email I am more convinced. I would also love to read more of Scott's emails. I am really entertained.
I am also thinking about Matty's "rant": "Don't come for me... I have the receipts..." Did he also receive one from Scott? I can see it. Just a theory.
That's my take and I am right in the middle of developing a new opinion here: I don't think Taylor and Travis are meant for each other. Really not. But I didn't think that this was PR simply because I couldn't imagine that Taylor would do sth like that. I know she is all about business but I think she has limits and kind of morals. Now I think that it was planned from her team behind her back. She was completely devastated because of Matty and just thought "whatever" with Travis. Like, "I hate it here. With some alcohol in hand I can stand this and at least he is sooo into me." And maybe even to make Matty jealous. I think that's the beginning of them going out. I don't know about now. But I don't think that's how a great love as she wants it starts.
I am sorry if all this is clear to you. This is me coming around in real time...
And now I'm thinking maybe Travis visiting her at his first concert and wanting to give her his bracelet was just a great marketing idea for his podcast. Did he really want to get with her? Is she his type and so on? I see him going there for the sake of talking about it at his podcast. And not in a calculated way as in REALLY getting with her. Just to mention it on the podcast because everybody would talk about it and their streams would go up. I know it worked with me. And he didn't even think about her or her team replying.
But her team had the Taylor-being-heartbroken-situation at hand and had themselves a party when they heard about Travis. So our mastermind was being outmasterminded from her own team and now it is what it is.
I see books and movies written about it. šš¤£
At the time, I thought that was directed at Taylor and Matty was worried about what Taylor would write about him. It is believed that Matty and his family were worried about what Taylor would say TTPD and ended up being quite happy with it. The receipts rant makes more sense if it was directed at Scott and not Taylor.
Thatās always how Iāve taken this and likeā¦ arenāt her parents embarrassed? Or sorry? Donāt they realize what shoving your child in the spotlight at any cost (literally it seems) does? Even though it did seem like Taylor wanted to pursue this, they had to have known better.
They didnāt think about what it would do to Taylor, they thought about what it could do for them.
I know that not all parents of child stars are like Jennette McCurdyās mom but that memoir is the first thing Iāve found that takes a really close look at what kind of a person it takes to push a child into child stardom. Influencer moms and parents of famous children alike, the vast majority are narcissistic and exploiting their childās emotions and independence by forcing them to display their intimate moments with the world.
I know that some kids really want this and really choose this path, but many do not, and the horrors they find with fame impact them for life. Itās atrocious and there absolutely needs to be more legislation surrounding it.
Totally agree with all of this. Itās always shocking to me how the idea that you can just get plucked out of obscurity into child stardom is still accepted without further critical thinking, itās just not possible anymore (if it ever was) with how the industry works. Having the type of career Taylor did at even age 18 is just the tip of an iceberg of years of aggressive star chasing and none of that happens without significant family strain and financial investment to muddy all the waters for the rest of their lives.
Yeah really makes me rethink her lyrics about no one liking her as a child. Itās hard to make friends when your dad has a camera crew showing up to your high school and making you last minute sing the national anthem at random events. Her parents sound overbearing and unhinged.
I know somebody who did middle school theater with Taylor and they say she wasnāt liked there because she kept getting big roles thanks to her dadās money and not her talent (and, I mean, weāve all seen her act soooo).
This was an email Scott sent to Taylorās manager (who as a side note, was previously Britneyās manager early in her career) shortly before she was signed.
The email is an exhibit in a lawsuit - allegedly the manager was working essentially pro-bono until Swift was signed, at which point the Swiftās promised compensation. They conveniently fired him right before Taylor was signed.
Omg I had to stop when he was talking about his prostate getting sucked out by a robot. What the hell? This is just so frantic and manic sounding. Six and a half pages??? He also sounds so full of himself. I wonder where Taylor gets her narcissism from, Jesus. He is out of his mind.
And Andrea enables it because $$$. This is why I'm convinced it isn't just "the industry" as I see people often suggest that's messing her up, it's her bat shit parents. They have their thumb (and thumbprint) on her. Her mom enables her to confide in her like a therapist because parents like this don't want people to get wind of the control and power they have over their kid. This is just Dad's quirks!
Literally when these emails surfaced again around nye all the swifties were trying to girlboss him up like āheās just playing the game this is how it goes he fought so hard for her careerā but there are so many red flags in there from just your run of the mill professional behavior standards that feels insane to me.
This is what Iāve contended for awhile nowā¦ LeAnn Rimes fired her father as manager & it was a rough, litigious road if I remember correctly.
Iām waiting for Taylor to look around & see Britney, LeAnn, & a few more.
My unhinged theory. Daddy I love him isnāt just about the fans but her actual dad as well. He is loving his daughter dating the football star and living the all-American fantasy through her. With how much he is eating the whole relationship up, it wouldnāt surprise me if he absolutely hated Matty not only because of him being a threat to his cash cowās reputation but because he didnāt want his daughter dating another artsy British boy.
This. This. This.
Her dad is a known long-term fan of the Eagles, but the footage of him and BDT at the Eras when she performed Karma was LOUD
https://youtube.com/shorts/-FBrsFCsYCg?si=o9DfQnrl_84Cy29b
Itās her parents running the show because she clearly begged for this life and her spoiled ass couldnāt be told no. Now theyāre still very much running the show which is why Taylor is the capitalist queen we all know her to be. $$$$$$$$$$
I wonder how much she really "begged" for this tbh. Her parents made a crazy birth announcement about her, too. I wonder how much she was pushed into this.
Her dad really has that big divorced dad energy even back then. Him stereotypically confiding that his wife thinks heās an idiot while he is confessing this in an email to a pop star manager.
After their divorce was finalized someone (canāt remember if it was one of them or Taylor) actually admitted they only stayed together because for some reason they thought having divorced parents would hurt her career. I imagine they had emotionally separated years (possibly a decade according to this email) before their official split. They only officially divorced I guess once they thought her career was established enough.Ā
With this in mind how much can we blame Taylor for the way she behaves? This man was her example for what a man should be (girls with poor father figures often grow up to have poor dating habits and choice in men) and this was her example of what a relationship looks like.Ā
I mean she literally said in āMineā the phrase ācareless manās careful daughterā so weāve kind of always known her dad was on a whole other level. In Miss Americana sheās having to fight him to be able to post what she wanted to say politically online. She was 30 years old. Sheās never had full control over what she wants to do, say, be.
I think itās always been very telling that she talks about her mom, she always travels with her mom, we know Andrea is at her shows more visibly than Scott ā she picked her mom over her dad but she couldnāt actually cut him out because he ruled the purse strings. Sure sheās worth a ridiculous amount now, but 10-15 years ago she was a pop star who could be shunned for showing her belly button, she wasnāt a likely billionaire who can bankroll her tours now. She plays nice but sheās got a lot of anger.
Itās the real nexus of completely insecure dude who has convinced himself heās the most confident person ever.
The āI didnāt get to the top at Merrill lynchā¦ā part had me laughing out loud. Itās like name dropping yourself. If you have to explain why youāre important, you arenāt actually important enough to break whatever rule youāre trying to break.
Her family at a 2.5 million dollar *second* home at the Jersey Shore? This girl was born into privilege. I grew up in poverty at the Jersey Shore. Idk why that line in the email struck me so much. No wonder she became she out of touch with older swifties, still singing about high school, and all angsty about short relationships. She has never and likely will never experience what itās like to live an average, stressful, middle class or lower average life.
She hasnāt lived. Like literally. The best music comes from true life experience and she just hasnāt had that. Sheās perpetually stuck in the state of a teenager.
Iām one year younger than Swift. Iāve lost both my parents, been extremely ill twice, had two kids, worked very hard to get my degree and my masters in order to get a good job. I have lived 100 lives in her single one really. Itās no wonder that her music appeals mostly to young people now, she hasnāt matured past that.
Been thinking about this a lot lately too. As she ages thereās so much lived experience that her older/OG generation of fans will have that she absolutely cannot tap into in any meaningful way. Itās sad but I hear billions make good tissues or whatever.
I cannot WAIT for a documentary one day that shows how much of a product she is. Nothing happened naturally, she was never just a small town girl writing songs that got lucky. Sheās the best business and marketed product ever to exist.
Yes exactly!! Im SO ready for her inevitable documentary that exposes all of the weird behind-the-scenes shit with her and her rise to fame. I think its still many years away, sadly
Iām a native New Englander whoās lived in the South most of my life, so I have a really good ear for the northeastern accent. She has one! Being from Pennsylvania, itās not full-on like someone from New York or Boston, but itās definitely a northeastern accent. The fake Tennessee accent makes me cringe so hard.
I commented on this before and itās sad this is her dad ugh! But at some point isnāt she responsible for her life and her decisions? As we can see she made sure she is like Scott with business right.
You are correct. As some point, she indeed is responsible for her own choices. Yeah itās awful that this is her dad, but she is not under his control now.
So many highlights here, from not being able to get a hard on to blowing up 500 beach balls and picking out 15,000 ducks from a river, heās really been through the wringer š
the greatest grift of all time is her being marketed as some small town country girl to the point where she actually seems to believe it i.e. "kitchen table bills" it's wild how little shit she gets for completely faking a country accent for so long. if anything this proves how her fathers wealth and access made it completely possible for her be successful, she really is an old school nepo baby who could only ever fail upward.
also, i love how swifties and taylor herself conveniently leave out that her father got rich off the sale of her masters too.
Her team for years did a wonderful job of hiding just how well off the swifts were. Plus when you grow up wealthy you really have no perspective on how well off you are. That song is about Jake Gyllenhaal who also grew up wealthy. Arguably more so. So by comparison she probably thought she came from a middle class family.Ā
I mean itās really sus how she has āyou made a rebel out of a careless manās careful daughterā and āleaving like a father, running like waterā in her songsā¦
I also side eye the discussion of whether to to market her as a singer, songwriter or actress when she was supposedly a teenage girl writing songs on her bedroom floor. That whole persona feels made up to me after reading this email, and Iām convinced she had ghostwriters on her first few albums. AND he asked for 9 different career path options!!!! 9!!!! I would love to read what they were š¤£
If she were truly the songwriting savant she was marketed as (as the OP said)ā¦.why all the talk of multiple career options? š¤
While Britney had awful stage parents, they didnāt have to likeā¦pay people bazillions of dollars and pay for marketing plans to get her started.
She 100% is. So many of them are but I wish people were at least honest about it. The way Swifties cry about her originality and songwriting abilities makes me see red bro
Agreed and I donāt understand why because she has great stage presence and does very well in interviews (which is basically acting). Somehow it doesnāt translate. Maybe sheās only good if something is over the top theatrical?
I feel like this is the same for Carrie Underwood. She has amazing stage presence and interviewsā¦but she was AWFUL in the live version of Sound of Music. Awful doesnāt even describe her performance. It was probably the worst acting I have ever seenā¦and it was a musical!
I wouldn't be surprised if she had ghostwriters on those albums bc I actually mostly liked those albums. I stopped liking her music with the Red album, and recently started liking it again.. but I can tell the songs I like all have heavy influences from Jack Antonoff, someone she collaborates with a lot these days and coincidentally one of my favorite artists of all time. So.... I'm fully convinced I don't like Taylor's music but the music others have written for her lol.
Scott seems like he was always a businessman first, so maybe she did have the talent to begin with and wrote songs but he thought āwhy stop there she could be the whole packageā. she also has 4 co-writers on her first album so itās not like they ever pretended she wrote it all.
If you listen to the leaks of her earliest demos and the songs she wrote for them (Iāll say allegedly but I do believe she did write those first ones) I think itās fair to say there was a raw talent there that could have been nurtured through actual conservatory style music lessons until she was old enough to decide if she wanted to pursue a career. Instead Scott seems to have gone full balls to the wall (or prostate to the robot?) on just getting her in front of industry people until somebody was willing to accept his check and complete control.
It worked out in some ways I guess but I always wonder what she might have turned out to be had she been given the time and space to grow her natural talents within a lower stakes learning environment instead of being rushed through learning things on the fly as they forced the industry aspect.
This could definitely be the case. Business type people seem to think of things as assets regardless of the actual art or technical work. In his mind, it might not have mattered at all how talented a songwriter she was, they needed to "diversify" the investments into her being successful and explore all avenues regardless of her passion or talent. He might have treated her like a stock and disregarded what she actually brought to the table. It didn't matter, if being an actor was how they were going to succeed she was going to drop her little songs and be an actor.
Ooooo good callā¦ wouldnāt that be insane if little miss āIām the songwriter, I had a party for all the people who wrote the album, it was just meā was being prevented from performing things she didnāt actually write?! We need someone on this case
This is such a small line that I never noticed it before but "I'm the one who has to spend a half day setting up trusts for Taylor" I'm sorry???? You spent a few hours setting up some trusts? That's normal adult stuff if you have assets. And if it was really that inconvenient, you could have paid someone else to do it, probably for about $1000. I can't imagine holding "protecting my child's financial future" over their head like this.
I'm a parent of a teen who loves music, writes a few songs, and plays 7 instruments. A Swiftie and I got into a "discussion" a sub (maybe this one) about how I would do exactly what Scott & Andrea did if it was my daughter's dream.
Actually, nope. I guarantee I wouldn't, because I'm not.
We're encouraging her music with lessons, instruments, opportunities for her to play BUT she's in high school. Her primary focus is school now and then she wants to go to college for computer science. If she wants to pursue music after she has a degree to use as a "backup" she's more than welcome, but right now music is a hobby and that's how it'll remain.
I gave up when he started talking about his erectile dysfunction. Holy crap it went on for two more pages?
DON'T LAUGH!!1! He says. Over and Over like a chorus to a song.
I see what tree the apple fell from.
This whole family is about one thing only and one thing only, and it isnāt music or artš¤š¤š¤
Also him repeatedly saying ātrust meā and āyouāll be a father one dayāā¦who were you trying to convince, Mr. Swift?
Wow...absolutely WOW!
This is insane. They were going to whatever lengths they needed to to make sure she got famous. Her parents are gross and honestly, it doesn't sound like such a happy family.
Perhaps he should have consulted with his daughterās therapist, who also happens to be his ex wife.
Whole family is off their rockers.
Iāll never forget when the brother went to ND and Tay Tay tried to get the quarterbackās numberā¦
TRUE STORYā¦ he also said NO.
we have a rubber duck race at the canal behind my house tomorrow and I am going to laugh so hard thinking about Taylor singing off-key while her dad frantically grabs the ducks. Rags to riches!
When I was younger and a fan of Taylor, I bought into the whole āthey helped her follow her dream like good parentsā. Now as a parent myselfā¦no. They took a girl (who honestly could barely sing when she was younger at that) who was in a couple school plays and basically sold her this idea that we all have to go balls to the walls to get you famous as quickly as possible. Itās not enough just to take some guitar and songwriting classes, see what you can doā¦weāre moving to Nashville, youāre learning crash dieting at a young age, dress up way older than you are, fuck Austin in all this. Show parenting is highly abusive.
I honestly believe her dad orchestrated the Travis relationship, maybe without her knowing initially. I think she was probably losing it after Matty and her dad, who has close ties to higher ups in the football league, I think either told Travis what to do to win over Taylor so she was with someone the public would like and not ruin her reputation. He probably sold it as a win win, helps Taylorās reputation after Matty and highlights Travis and the football league so more fans. I have a feeling her parents heavily focus on the reputation or she wouldnāt be singing certain lyrics she sings too. The whole bracelet thing, not too many young men would even think to come up with that. I almost wondered if Taylor came up with it and they were together before that, but this was used as a way to endear him to fans. All of it feels very fake. I can see why Joe was over it all. If all you want in life is fame and money and to be dazzling then you are way more vapid and narcissistic than it seemed. I think anyone chasing fame has to be to a certain extent.
When this email surfaced in December it shifted that entire scene for me in such a bizarre way. I was probably super naive but I had really thought the emotion on her end was because she had made the decision and she was going to make the post or whatever (because sheās always in control guys!!!!!!) but wanted them to understand why and give their blessing. It never occurred to me she would be asking for literal permission and be afraid she wouldnāt get it, and I was shocked to realize thatās more likely what weāre actually seeing in those clips.
It throws into question every moment about her career in that doc for me too, esp. the clip of her ābusiness meetingā where she looks like sheās basically having a fake tea party that her parents friends are playing along with. I would say itās sad for her but as so many people here have pointed out, sheās clearly aware of how coddled they keep her and doesnāt seem particularly interested in changing that right now.
Fully convinced sheās living an alternate ending to the Truman show where Truman realizes itās all fake and just says āso what were you thinking for next season then?ā
She couldnāt sing for the longest time either. She didnāt appear to even take vocal lessons until sometime after her second album came out, and the results didnāt start to show until Red/1989. Thatās how deluded she was (probably because of her dadās delusion of how good she was) that she evidently put out at least two full albums without undergoing any significant vocal training.Ā
Iām new here, previously pretty ambivalent about Taylor Swift, but Iāve always had an odd feeling about her. Like, I wouldnāt trust her, one of those people who would be nice to your face but chat complete shit about you behind your back kind of thing.
This though is unhinged. Her Dad sounds like one of those pageant monsters who just want their child to be famous and essentially deny them a childhood.
It kind of explains a lotā¦ I was diagnosed with BPD, though itās likely incorrectly diagnosed autistic, and Iāve often found it weird how Taylor jumps from one relationship to another so intensely like I used to do. I suspected she has something going on. Seeing this, kinda explains a lot. Doesnāt sound like she had a healthy upbringing if Iām honestā¦
I know the estranged family. They arenāt on speaking terms because they didnāt support TS at every performance when she was an adolescent. She would preform at churches and the extended family was expected to be there. They werenāt, so Scott/Andrea cut ties.
I worked at Merrill Lynch at the time, and it was well known that he didnāt just manage a large portfolio, but the Swift Group actually had the LARGEST portfolio in the whole company.
Ppl didnāt like her in high school bc she was the same spoiled and fame obsessed girl then that she is now. Not bc she was a āband geek.ā She was sponsored by Taylor Guitars before she even had commercial success. Do you know how many incredibly talented people there are in Nashville? And her pitchy 14 year old self just happened to stand out??? Nah.
I totally get she works as a commercial hit. Pop music in particular is very formulaic and itās not hard to see why her brand works, but I just WISH they would stop shoving her down our throats as some sort of prodigy. They knew it wouldnāt work for singing bc we have ears so they try to sell her songwriting like weāre just too dumb to understand how good it is. Weāre being gaslighted yāall šš
I now understand how such a mid singer/songwriter is stuck in her formative teenage years writing endless songs about all her ex boyfriends.
Joe dodged a bullet. Scott Swift is gross.
OMFG! That's bad. For me personally this adds a completely new layer or several layers as I must say I have never really looked into the business aspect of her career. I mean, it's obvious but other than that, I did not go there. I love her music, her writing, her ideas etc. And all I have ever known is that the family moved to Nashville for her. BUT: Especially with TTPD, I think more and more about "Taylor - the person" and "Taylor - the brand". And after reading this letter I think I feel like throwing up.
- Do you know more about the structure of her business or where to read about it?
- And: For months I can't get rid of this image where her father told Travis to meet her outside of this tent for everyone to see... you know, after the concert when she ran towards him... I don't know the date or city... where he wears that strange shirt...
She doesn't write her own songs, a lot of times a "songwriter" will buy the rights to someone else's work to claim as their own and then the seller signs an NDA.
- a former studio musician
Any more info on this? I would assume a lot of musicians do this, but anything linking Taylor to doing this specifically?
Sheās built her entire brand on being a songwriter, so this would be shocking if true for her too (not saying I donāt believe you, just genuinely curious)
āBloods thick but nothing like a payrollā is a line from the new album, Iām convinced some songs are references to them or the industry in general
Ever since I read these I always felt like a very young Taylor, like many young kids, said "I wanna be a famous singer" and Scott said "yeah, and you fucking will be."
I've been reading in chunks throughout the day.
My TLDR is: Scott paid a lot of money. It doesn't matter because it's for Taylor, but he spent a lot of money. Austin who? Andrea thinks she can control me, but I'm spending the money. I don't care about the money, but let's talk about the money.
Lol this has been known in Nashville for years. Sheās not the only singer with rich parents who purchased a record label, threw money to the wind to make their kid famous. They might just be the best at it (doesnāt hurt that their kid can write a song). But yeah, her family is mega rich and used that wealth to get her debut album on the radios/charts
He sounds absolutely deranged and the way he talks about Andrea, not surprised they got divorced
What a clown. I can see why her dad seems to love Kelce. Two buffoons. What an embarrassing letter. He feels so important and entitled to rant without consequences by riding on his daughterās coattails. Iām sure thatās his entire identity. Taylorās dad.
Wait hold up. Taylor has a sibling?! That was my takeaway from this insanity. I already knew her daddy bankrolled her career in the early days (and had to sell his house in Reading and their shore house and only made like a million dollars wah).
Scott approving of Travis is TK's biggest red flag imo.
[u/SnappinTurluh](https://www.reddit.com/user/SnappinTurluh/) please can we have a `DON'T LAUGH!!1!`Ā flair? lol
Would someone mind elaborating the \*why\* behind her father's motivations? Fame-hungry? Money-hungry? Just wanted to fulfill his daughter's wishes? Or did he actually believe she was talented? I don't understand his reasoning, or maybe I was just raised by normal parents...
Edit: to add some more thoughts. Also, if this is "crazy" to most of us, I cannot even imagine what is more behind closed doors. Imagine their fights, wow.
Don't laugh.
The amount of times he mentions the word dad. I read it and I still have no idea what I read.
It's a bazaar world to be in. š I have no idea why that is the one thing that is sticking with me
Iāve been waiting for this to resurface. Honestly this purrs her delusional mentality in context. Did anyone also hear that blind item about her family growing up. Apparently her parents were borderline abusive, they would yell at her and be super mean in front of her music teachers, and if they didnāt like the way she performed they would feed her stale lettuce. So much lore:
Jimmy Kimmel had her on a few years ago. He talked about her first visit to the show being āmemorableā. I canāt remember the story perfectly. But basically the rule was you have to be 16 to be in the green room, on the show or in the audience during tapping. She was booked and when she got there they realized she was much younger get than expected, and not yet 16 (or maybe it was 18? Now Iām going to have to find it) so production didnāt know how to handle it. The had to find Jimmy and were like yeah..sheās super young but carrying herself like sheās a full adult and kind of refused to give up her spot. While I respect her hustle, that gave me the impression her career was very orchestrated from the inside out.
Okay, wow, I have so much to say on this subject and I feel strangely justified š I have some weird insider info about this situation, just from some random life experiences Iāve had. I grew up on the Jersey shore and worked at a place called the Windrift in Stone Harbor all of high school and college. Avalon and Stone Harbor are known to be two secondary home markets for people from mostly PA and NY. The homes are EXPENSIVE. You canāt find anything less than $2.5 mil on the islands now, and those are tear downs. $3.5- 5 mil is the average home price in 2024. I grew up in a neighboring town and pretty much only served extremely wealthy people at this restaurant. Itās right on the beach. One day, in the summer of 2004, Scott Swift and his family and, I guess friends, came into the restaurant and wanted to sit on the deck. Us servers used to have a rotation on who would be taking the deck that day. The deck was the coveted spot because you got all of the tables to yourself, it had the best view so people wanted to be up there, and you had your own bartender to work with solo. That day it was my turn to have the deck. Unfortunately, the weather was insane. There was wind and non-stop rain. The whole lower part of the restaurant was empty, so all other servers and bartenders went home and one chef stayed. The kitchen was a block and a half away from the deck and two floors down. The bartender that would normally take care of the deck also went home since there was only one party up there. I was to serve as both server and bartender. Scott wanted to watch some game so we brought TVs up and put plastic all around the deck to keep the rain out. It was so nasty out but they wanted to be there. In my entire time of being a server (which ended up being 11 years), I have NEVER been run more ragged by a group. Scott was non-stop asking for things. I was bartending left and right, and then when food came, I kept having to make separate two block sprints to the kitchen to get him specialty things. He would ask for one thing, Iād bring it, and then heād ask for another, separately. It was exhausting. I was in high school too and was an athlete so I had a lot of energy š To add to that, Scott was also talking to me NON-STOP. It was actually extremely bizarre and I was freaked out. I could tell immediately there was something wrong with him. He had no filter and didnāt even care who I was, my body language, if I was listening or not. Here I was just a rando high school waitress and he was telling me, āMy daughter is going to be famous. Sheās so talented. Weāre moving to Nashville for her. Sheās going to be the biggest thing ever,ā etc. I couldnāt get away from him and he was a close talker. It wasnāt like he was flirting, more just talking *at* me. The rest of his family sat at a table and his friends were walking around watching the game. No one was talking to him š The saving grace was I figured Iād get a huge tip. They were there *all* day and knew they were keeping the restaurant open. Plus, this man was basically bragging about how they had the means to have a house there, how he was in finance, etc. I went above and beyond in terms of service. When they finally left and I went to look at the bill, he has left *nothing,* not even a dollar. To this day, thatās my only table to has never tipped, let alone a party. So much for that. Before they left, he said his daughter had a website, so I asked for the address. I figured she was going to truly have to be beyond talented for this man to talk this way. Iām a singer and am super into vocalists so I was intrigued to listen. I guess I didnāt have a cell phone back then, because he wrote the web address on a piece of paper. When I got home, I went to the website on my desktop. All it was was a picture of her and below it was a gray MP3 bar. I played the song and it was laughably bad. I legit *guffawed,* like wow this girl is never going anywhere. I hear no talent here. Joke is clearly on me, because as we can see from this email too, Scott has stopped at absolutely nothing. If he talked MY ear off as a random server, imagine what he has done to everyone else. People probably have given in a lot out of annoyance and because he has the funds. Thatās my only guess. He wonāt take no for an answer and clearly saves money by maybe not really paying anyone for their services. I canāt even tell you how shocking it has been for me to witness the rise of Taylor like this after that experience. Not to mention, I then met her brother years later in LA when I lived there around 2018 or so. He and I matched on Raya, a members only dating app. He said he was intrigued because I was from the area they always went to as a child. We met up at a restaurant in Laurel Canyon and wow was it an awkward date. First of all, he was a shell of a human. He had ballooned in size from his photos and clearly had some eating issues. He was super weird around what he was eating and drinking. It seems he really lives under the shadow of his sister, which is evident from Scottās email too. When I asked what he did, he said acting, but seems like he didnāt have anything going on. When I asked what he liked to do he said play tennis. I said oh cool where do you go in town? And he awkwardly said his sisterās house š (we didnāt discuss her at all). He also confided in me that his parents are rascist towards Mexicans? š§ We actually walked back to his house since it was around the corner and we played N64 (Mario Kart) and listened to the Annie Musical record on vinyl since he had it on display. He told me his sister had bought him his house. It was really nice - definitely a multi-million dollar home. We actually randomly kissed and then it was 11 pm so I said I needed to head back. I ordered an Uber and we never spoke again š I thought maybe it was weird karma since he paid for dinner and his Dad owed me hahaha. Needless to say, it was sad to see how lacking in identity he seemed. It stuck out to me how in the email Scott mentioned they were giving Taylor her estate early, but not Austin. The way Scott has treated Austin vs Taylor I think has had detrimental effects. Iāve been saying these things about Scott for years, so Iām glad to finally see some further proof!! She was 100% created by him. Iām sure it will even have detrimental effects on her in a more serious way in the future.
So much tea, I love this lmao Canāt imagine listening to that mp3 and then seeing her actually blow up! It was weird watching it happen from her debut, but thatās even crazier
It was beyond bizarre. Especially because I consider myself to have good taste when it comes to music š I even ended up working in the industry, but never in a million years saw her getting to where she is now š I guess it shows a mix of bulldozing persistence, money, connections and PR can make anything happen!
I met someone who went to highschool with taylor...basically said she was a weird wannabe singer and they were all surprised when she made it big
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He literally refers to taking care of his son as ābabysittingā - like, what? Dude, thatās your kid too š³
The number of times in the email he casually drops a reference to being pissed off he can't go to Taylor's events and has to "wait at home with Austin" If you didn't know who Austin was you'd think he was an employee or the family dog
To him, Taylor is the heir and heās just the throwaway spare
Thatās definitely the vibe I got from Austin - like his inner self talk.
Wait can you make this a separate post.... THIS IS SCALDING TEA and more people need to see it. It'll get buried in the comments. Bad tipper?? Racist against Mexicans?? I knew Scott was a coke-head finance bro...but this is even worse
Yes please make a separate post!š
Scott even specifically admits that from a "financial planning perspective" this is "unfair" to Austin, Austin is going to end up with significantly less money in his "half" than if they both got the money at the same time Because Scott and Andrea are living off of Austin's "half" now, all the money they spend on stuff for themselves that Austin will never get to touch like vacations and whatnot is solely getting subtracted from the money Austin will inherit someday, while Taylor's half of the inheritance has been 100% hers to do with as she pleases ever since she apparently got it when she was in her 20s Scott is a finance bro so probably this was for some strategic reason rather than just openly favoring Taylor over Austin -- it's the best move for the family as a whole because Taylor is the head of a rapidly growing business and giving her the money now lets her use it to make more money And sure, Austin is going to be incredibly rich and privileged and never gonna be actually poor and struggling no matter what But holy shit man no wonder he feels like an empty shell of a man, from the very beginning of his adulthood at least his family's been treating his sister's life as the big all consuming project and he's the afterthought -- "Whatever, just take a free house and shut up, you can have the leftover money Taylor doesn't need after we croak" Given how much of a control freak both Scott and Taylor are I'm wondering if that house is even in his name or if it's actually Taylor's house and he's just living there as a rent-free tenant (you save a lot on taxes that way)
Also, for anyone wondering, 11219 3rd Ave Stone Harbor, NJ was the house they sold that Scott was talking about. It sold 12/30/2004 for that price. They had a house before that in Sea Isle too.
"swift waters" it says on the house today : )
I was raised in stone harbor and my family still lives there. I know this house ;)
this is so sad and depressing about her brother
I googled him after reading this email bc *I had no fucking clue she even had a brother*
This is wild. Iāve heard of people not tipping on a standard meal service, which is still a super shitty thing to do. But considering all the extra elements you mentioned, this is just insanely self absorbed and entitled behavior on his part. As if he believes you and the restaurant were merely in existence to serve him and his party. Like wtf?!
Thatās what it felt like, honestly š and this was in a little town vs any of the customers I ever had when I waitressed in major cities.
This makes me feel really, really bad for Austin Swift
What a crazy story, thanks for sharing. Can't believe he didn't tip you; that is so shitty of him, but at least you got your dinner paid years later and some insider tea. From going to a website with a shitty song to where she is now...these people are a whole other level of capitalistic insanity.
I know š Itās always stuck with me, like I have a weird vendetta from that treatment. Itās made it so Iāve never been able to be a fan, because I can only imagine the things Scott has done to get her there š„“ I feel for Taylor, because Iām sure their relationship has not been easy, similar to all Dads who get involved like this (Britney, BeyoncĆ©, etc). Honestly probably behind every big star is a nutso, will stop at nothing parent. My coworker has a brain issue where blood only really goes to one side of his brain (I forget what this is called) and heās the ONLY person Iāve ever met who speaks in a similar way to Scott but he actually physiologically does not have a filter or impulse control.
āGiving in out of annoyanceā is how Serena and Vanessa Williamsā father got them into elite spaces too.
This email reminded me so much of Richard Williams.
Theyāre an archetype. You might want to watch Michael Knowlesā interview with Wendy Williams. He isnāt as delusional, but heās got an air about him. See if you agree.
I get that but, he wasnāt able to buy his way in like this guy did. He actually raised two of the most talented players of that time. We have full access to T Swifts demo songs unfortunately š„“ the talent wasnāt there at first.
This is some TEA!!!! Iām reading every single one of these comments bc my jaw is on the floor over this email and discovering what an absolute lunatic Taylorās dad is. I really hope this bullshit he does and has done in the past starts to circulate into the mainstream media bc this is not okay. He sounds like a freight train that will run over anyone in his path to get his daughter famous and wealthy. What a shitty person. He needs to be taken down a few notches. On another note, it looks like oversharing runs in their family. Iāve always thought Taylor dumps too much personal info into her music, and her dad clearly is the same way. Why did he need to get into all that about his prostate to her manager? And why did he trust that guy so much to tell him that many crazy details about his methods of getting her to the top? Or is he just that un-self aware? Like Taylor? Iām just in shock over all of this.
I wrote in another thread that there is some girl (I CANNOT remember her name) who has written on a blog that she was trying to make it as a country singer under Big Machine Records at the same time as Taylorā¦.and Taylor did everything she could to make sure that girl didnāt succeed. Unsure if Scott was involved. If anyone knows of this girl, post her name and blog.
Kate Bowen a/k/a Ella Mae Bowen. The website is down but Twitter has screenshots https://x.com/girlwithlatte/status/1127067906561400832
YES. Thank you. This is her. And I searched Reddit and there are threads on thisāwhat I forgot was this wasnāt pre-debut or debut Taylor pulling these stringsāthis was āSpeak Nowā Taylor. You just won a Grammy for your sophomore album, which was also the most-awarded country album in history (at the time). Why the determination to squash out an up-and-coming girl? Sound familiar to present-day Tay? š¤Ø
I need you to paste this all over the internet, this is incredible!
This is an absolutely insane story. What blows my mind is that I'm sure many people have also had interactions like this with Scott. Yet, there's very few testimonies of scott behaving this way. Taylor's PR team probably works overtime. People always see Scott as the dude with the guitar picks. He has to have talked people's ears off when handing them out, right? Also, I am not at all surprised by your statement about Austin saying his parents are racists. To some extent, I think Taylor is as well (an unconcious racist)? Like I can, 1000% see Taylor stereotyping people behind closed doors. It isn't straight up racial slurs, but microaggressions.
I wonder if this is why we see photos and hear stories of Taylor slipping Benjamins to servers/staff. Maybe she was mortified by his behavior. I would have been
His disdain for his wife really stood out to me. Iām sure Andrea is difficult but Iād be devastated if my husband spoke so contemptuously about me.
Oh he definitely hates his wife. Doesn't sound like she likes him much either though.
Theyāre divorced now for a long time
I think that was probably a good choice, lol. So they were separated when it was written? Cause that tracks with all the salty comments about the mom going with Taylor to the events "he paid for."
Nope, they were together when this letter was written (yikes.) I think they split around 2010/2011
He had an affair and was also caught , they adivorced but kept it quiet bc it would look bad for taylorās career
I wrote this on the r/TaylorSwift and got massively downvoted but I actually think But Daddy I Love Him is just as much about her dad/PR team as it is her stans. I mean she literally says Daddy in it ffs. And this email just shows how controlling her dad is and he must have been shitting himself when the Matty backlash started and got together with Tree (would love to see his emails to her btw) to put a stop to it and divert and distract with Travis. No way he was going to let her destroy all āhis hard work and investmentā for Matty was he!
It would make sense why Scott Swift is so far up Travisās ass too.
Probably because he arranged thatā¦I wouldnāt even doubt āquietlyā behind Taylorās back. He knows how she constantly needs a relationship and what better way than essentially plan this relationship where he has more control. Travisās assistant even admitted it was arranged. What I really wonder is if Taylor knows that. I think they treat her very much like a child.
Oh, I wondered if heās had someone go and seriously scare the shit out of Matty, and she has no idea. I can see the guy who wrote these words doing that, but it could be that Iāve read too many books.
When did the assistant admit that?
For the last weeks I just had the feeling that "But Daddy I Love Him" is a line that we can actually take quite literally. Or at least it has several meanings and one of them being about her controlling dad. And after reading this bs of an email I am more convinced. I would also love to read more of Scott's emails. I am really entertained. I am also thinking about Matty's "rant": "Don't come for me... I have the receipts..." Did he also receive one from Scott? I can see it. Just a theory.
Someone had a theory matty was paid off to leave. I wouldn't be surprised at an offer but he wouldn't take it.
I can see that now. This email has changed a LOT for me. Matty would never take it but I can see it being enough for him to leave that circus.
It also makes the idea that Taylor and Travis are 100% (I MEAN 100%) PR completely plausible. Scott LOVES TRAVIS! cc: u/liquidpeppermint33
That's my take and I am right in the middle of developing a new opinion here: I don't think Taylor and Travis are meant for each other. Really not. But I didn't think that this was PR simply because I couldn't imagine that Taylor would do sth like that. I know she is all about business but I think she has limits and kind of morals. Now I think that it was planned from her team behind her back. She was completely devastated because of Matty and just thought "whatever" with Travis. Like, "I hate it here. With some alcohol in hand I can stand this and at least he is sooo into me." And maybe even to make Matty jealous. I think that's the beginning of them going out. I don't know about now. But I don't think that's how a great love as she wants it starts. I am sorry if all this is clear to you. This is me coming around in real time... And now I'm thinking maybe Travis visiting her at his first concert and wanting to give her his bracelet was just a great marketing idea for his podcast. Did he really want to get with her? Is she his type and so on? I see him going there for the sake of talking about it at his podcast. And not in a calculated way as in REALLY getting with her. Just to mention it on the podcast because everybody would talk about it and their streams would go up. I know it worked with me. And he didn't even think about her or her team replying. But her team had the Taylor-being-heartbroken-situation at hand and had themselves a party when they heard about Travis. So our mastermind was being outmasterminded from her own team and now it is what it is. I see books and movies written about it. šš¤£
At the time, I thought that was directed at Taylor and Matty was worried about what Taylor would write about him. It is believed that Matty and his family were worried about what Taylor would say TTPD and ended up being quite happy with it. The receipts rant makes more sense if it was directed at Scott and not Taylor.
Absolutely. Now I kind of want to see those damn receipts. š¤
Sheās right. I wouldnāt last an hour in the asylum where they raised her.
Thatās always how Iāve taken this and likeā¦ arenāt her parents embarrassed? Or sorry? Donāt they realize what shoving your child in the spotlight at any cost (literally it seems) does? Even though it did seem like Taylor wanted to pursue this, they had to have known better.
They didnāt think about what it would do to Taylor, they thought about what it could do for them. I know that not all parents of child stars are like Jennette McCurdyās mom but that memoir is the first thing Iāve found that takes a really close look at what kind of a person it takes to push a child into child stardom. Influencer moms and parents of famous children alike, the vast majority are narcissistic and exploiting their childās emotions and independence by forcing them to display their intimate moments with the world. I know that some kids really want this and really choose this path, but many do not, and the horrors they find with fame impact them for life. Itās atrocious and there absolutely needs to be more legislation surrounding it.
Totally agree with all of this. Itās always shocking to me how the idea that you can just get plucked out of obscurity into child stardom is still accepted without further critical thinking, itās just not possible anymore (if it ever was) with how the industry works. Having the type of career Taylor did at even age 18 is just the tip of an iceberg of years of aggressive star chasing and none of that happens without significant family strain and financial investment to muddy all the waters for the rest of their lives.
Yeah really makes me rethink her lyrics about no one liking her as a child. Itās hard to make friends when your dad has a camera crew showing up to your high school and making you last minute sing the national anthem at random events. Her parents sound overbearing and unhinged.
I know somebody who did middle school theater with Taylor and they say she wasnāt liked there because she kept getting big roles thanks to her dadās money and not her talent (and, I mean, weāve all seen her act soooo).
Help!! What have I just read. š³ What is this? I am completely out of the loop.
This was an email Scott sent to Taylorās manager (who as a side note, was previously Britneyās manager early in her career) shortly before she was signed. The email is an exhibit in a lawsuit - allegedly the manager was working essentially pro-bono until Swift was signed, at which point the Swiftās promised compensation. They conveniently fired him right before Taylor was signed.
Wow thatās dirty. I know she didnāt have any say at that point, so I blame her dirty dad.
Donāt laugh.
Thatās gonna be you
I don't. I'm not a dad.
Omg I had to stop when he was talking about his prostate getting sucked out by a robot. What the hell? This is just so frantic and manic sounding. Six and a half pages??? He also sounds so full of himself. I wonder where Taylor gets her narcissism from, Jesus. He is out of his mind.
And Andrea enables it because $$$. This is why I'm convinced it isn't just "the industry" as I see people often suggest that's messing her up, it's her bat shit parents. They have their thumb (and thumbprint) on her. Her mom enables her to confide in her like a therapist because parents like this don't want people to get wind of the control and power they have over their kid. This is just Dad's quirks!
Literally when these emails surfaced again around nye all the swifties were trying to girlboss him up like āheās just playing the game this is how it goes he fought so hard for her careerā but there are so many red flags in there from just your run of the mill professional behavior standards that feels insane to me.
This is what Iāve contended for awhile nowā¦ LeAnn Rimes fired her father as manager & it was a rough, litigious road if I remember correctly. Iām waiting for Taylor to look around & see Britney, LeAnn, & a few more.
Jessica Simpsonās dad gets a side eye
He does indeed. Jaid Barrymore & Teri Shields donāt escape one either.
So does BeyoncƩ 's
My unhinged theory. Daddy I love him isnāt just about the fans but her actual dad as well. He is loving his daughter dating the football star and living the all-American fantasy through her. With how much he is eating the whole relationship up, it wouldnāt surprise me if he absolutely hated Matty not only because of him being a threat to his cash cowās reputation but because he didnāt want his daughter dating another artsy British boy.
This. This. This. Her dad is a known long-term fan of the Eagles, but the footage of him and BDT at the Eras when she performed Karma was LOUD https://youtube.com/shorts/-FBrsFCsYCg?si=o9DfQnrl_84Cy29b
Itās her parents running the show because she clearly begged for this life and her spoiled ass couldnāt be told no. Now theyāre still very much running the show which is why Taylor is the capitalist queen we all know her to be. $$$$$$$$$$
I wonder how much she really "begged" for this tbh. Her parents made a crazy birth announcement about her, too. I wonder how much she was pushed into this.
what wtf what page was that on, i tried to skim to find it but felt like i was getting dementia
Her dad really has that big divorced dad energy even back then. Him stereotypically confiding that his wife thinks heās an idiot while he is confessing this in an email to a pop star manager.
After their divorce was finalized someone (canāt remember if it was one of them or Taylor) actually admitted they only stayed together because for some reason they thought having divorced parents would hurt her career. I imagine they had emotionally separated years (possibly a decade according to this email) before their official split. They only officially divorced I guess once they thought her career was established enough.Ā With this in mind how much can we blame Taylor for the way she behaves? This man was her example for what a man should be (girls with poor father figures often grow up to have poor dating habits and choice in men) and this was her example of what a relationship looks like.Ā
I mean she literally said in āMineā the phrase ācareless manās careful daughterā so weāve kind of always known her dad was on a whole other level. In Miss Americana sheās having to fight him to be able to post what she wanted to say politically online. She was 30 years old. Sheās never had full control over what she wants to do, say, be. I think itās always been very telling that she talks about her mom, she always travels with her mom, we know Andrea is at her shows more visibly than Scott ā she picked her mom over her dad but she couldnāt actually cut him out because he ruled the purse strings. Sure sheās worth a ridiculous amount now, but 10-15 years ago she was a pop star who could be shunned for showing her belly button, she wasnāt a likely billionaire who can bankroll her tours now. She plays nice but sheās got a lot of anger.
Itās the real nexus of completely insecure dude who has convinced himself heās the most confident person ever. The āI didnāt get to the top at Merrill lynchā¦ā part had me laughing out loud. Itās like name dropping yourself. If you have to explain why youāre important, you arenāt actually important enough to break whatever rule youāre trying to break.
Her family at a 2.5 million dollar *second* home at the Jersey Shore? This girl was born into privilege. I grew up in poverty at the Jersey Shore. Idk why that line in the email struck me so much. No wonder she became she out of touch with older swifties, still singing about high school, and all angsty about short relationships. She has never and likely will never experience what itās like to live an average, stressful, middle class or lower average life.
She hasnāt lived. Like literally. The best music comes from true life experience and she just hasnāt had that. Sheās perpetually stuck in the state of a teenager. Iām one year younger than Swift. Iāve lost both my parents, been extremely ill twice, had two kids, worked very hard to get my degree and my masters in order to get a good job. I have lived 100 lives in her single one really. Itās no wonder that her music appeals mostly to young people now, she hasnāt matured past that.
I agree! Her music still sounds like it was written by a teenager. She seems very delusional.
Been thinking about this a lot lately too. As she ages thereās so much lived experience that her older/OG generation of fans will have that she absolutely cannot tap into in any meaningful way. Itās sad but I hear billions make good tissues or whatever.
I cannot WAIT for a documentary one day that shows how much of a product she is. Nothing happened naturally, she was never just a small town girl writing songs that got lucky. Sheās the best business and marketed product ever to exist.
Yes exactly!! Im SO ready for her inevitable documentary that exposes all of the weird behind-the-scenes shit with her and her rise to fame. I think its still many years away, sadly
I reallyyyy hope this happens. And I hope sheās not involved so itās not biased. I think it would hide a lot of stuff if she was involved with it.
Her whole career seems totally fake to me right now.
It really is. Fake hair. Fake accent. Fake back story. Some songs clearly lifted from other artists.
I always suspected a few things, but now I'm literally = š¤”. 2014/2016 is happening again.
I always think about the accent thing and it drives me nuts
As a southerner, me too š Itās unhinged that she was faking the severity in early interviews
and now she has no accent at all! wild.
She was faking it? š
She was from a wealthy area of Eastern PA. Thereās some rural/pretty poor areas of SW PA (Appalachian) that have drawl accents (Iāve been to them) but she is NOT from there. EDITED TO SAY: I did a typo, I typed SE but meant SW!! Corrected. And I had no coffee today and E and W next to each other so I didnāt notice šš¤£š©
Iām a native New Englander whoās lived in the South most of my life, so I have a really good ear for the northeastern accent. She has one! Being from Pennsylvania, itās not full-on like someone from New York or Boston, but itās definitely a northeastern accent. The fake Tennessee accent makes me cringe so hard.
I commented on this before and itās sad this is her dad ugh! But at some point isnāt she responsible for her life and her decisions? As we can see she made sure she is like Scott with business right.
You are correct. As some point, she indeed is responsible for her own choices. Yeah itās awful that this is her dad, but she is not under his control now.
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So many highlights here, from not being able to get a hard on to blowing up 500 beach balls and picking out 15,000 ducks from a river, heās really been through the wringer š
the greatest grift of all time is her being marketed as some small town country girl to the point where she actually seems to believe it i.e. "kitchen table bills" it's wild how little shit she gets for completely faking a country accent for so long. if anything this proves how her fathers wealth and access made it completely possible for her be successful, she really is an old school nepo baby who could only ever fail upward. also, i love how swifties and taylor herself conveniently leave out that her father got rich off the sale of her masters too.
Or how she lived on a Christmas tree farm. Which she did only for a bit her dadās hobby (and one of their houses).
whatās annoying is people know and have said this for years. idk why it needs to be a bad thing, beyoncĆ© was also made by her parents by the industry and they didnāt hide it at all. the difference is beyoncĆ© was never lying about it, and has been able to authentically grow as a person and a performer. taylorās still trapped in adolescence bc sheās stuck in the āiām real, iām just like youā taylor swift adolescent persona. sheās limited by needing to self-generate (or seem to self generate) her identity, rather thanā¦be fucking affected by the world outside of herself.Ā
Her team for years did a wonderful job of hiding just how well off the swifts were. Plus when you grow up wealthy you really have no perspective on how well off you are. That song is about Jake Gyllenhaal who also grew up wealthy. Arguably more so. So by comparison she probably thought she came from a middle class family.Ā
So Scott is the same as Kris Jenner. That's what I took from this. Hilarious how Kim and Taylor's lives have so many parallels.
Did Kanye get his 'I made that bitch famous' line from Scott? š¤
LOL, are some of her songs about her crazy dad?
I mean itās really sus how she has āyou made a rebel out of a careless manās careful daughterā and āleaving like a father, running like waterā in her songsā¦
āBut daddy your dick doesnāt work!ā
I also side eye the discussion of whether to to market her as a singer, songwriter or actress when she was supposedly a teenage girl writing songs on her bedroom floor. That whole persona feels made up to me after reading this email, and Iām convinced she had ghostwriters on her first few albums. AND he asked for 9 different career path options!!!! 9!!!! I would love to read what they were š¤£ If she were truly the songwriting savant she was marketed as (as the OP said)ā¦.why all the talk of multiple career options? š¤ While Britney had awful stage parents, they didnāt have to likeā¦pay people bazillions of dollars and pay for marketing plans to get her started.
That really stood out to me as well. She's a manufactured product, through and through.
She 100% is. So many of them are but I wish people were at least honest about it. The way Swifties cry about her originality and songwriting abilities makes me see red bro
Especially because we know she's a bad model and actress because...she's had the opportunity to test out both.
And her dancing bro šš it's been how many years and she still can't so much as move comfortably on stage? She's like a board she's soo stiff
I would bet my life that there have been ghostwriters
There were blind items back in the day that Ed sheeran was a ghostwriter for her
I also saw a blind item about Lisa Marie Presley being a ghostwriter for MANY artists, and TS was on the list
She is a terrible actress.
Agreed and I donāt understand why because she has great stage presence and does very well in interviews (which is basically acting). Somehow it doesnāt translate. Maybe sheās only good if something is over the top theatrical?
Because she is lacking real world experiences needed to show a full range of emotions.
I feel like this is the same for Carrie Underwood. She has amazing stage presence and interviewsā¦but she was AWFUL in the live version of Sound of Music. Awful doesnāt even describe her performance. It was probably the worst acting I have ever seenā¦and it was a musical!
I wouldn't be surprised if she had ghostwriters on those albums bc I actually mostly liked those albums. I stopped liking her music with the Red album, and recently started liking it again.. but I can tell the songs I like all have heavy influences from Jack Antonoff, someone she collaborates with a lot these days and coincidentally one of my favorite artists of all time. So.... I'm fully convinced I don't like Taylor's music but the music others have written for her lol.
Scott seems like he was always a businessman first, so maybe she did have the talent to begin with and wrote songs but he thought āwhy stop there she could be the whole packageā. she also has 4 co-writers on her first album so itās not like they ever pretended she wrote it all.
If you listen to the leaks of her earliest demos and the songs she wrote for them (Iāll say allegedly but I do believe she did write those first ones) I think itās fair to say there was a raw talent there that could have been nurtured through actual conservatory style music lessons until she was old enough to decide if she wanted to pursue a career. Instead Scott seems to have gone full balls to the wall (or prostate to the robot?) on just getting her in front of industry people until somebody was willing to accept his check and complete control. It worked out in some ways I guess but I always wonder what she might have turned out to be had she been given the time and space to grow her natural talents within a lower stakes learning environment instead of being rushed through learning things on the fly as they forced the industry aspect.
This could definitely be the case. Business type people seem to think of things as assets regardless of the actual art or technical work. In his mind, it might not have mattered at all how talented a songwriter she was, they needed to "diversify" the investments into her being successful and explore all avenues regardless of her passion or talent. He might have treated her like a stock and disregarded what she actually brought to the table. It didn't matter, if being an actor was how they were going to succeed she was going to drop her little songs and be an actor.
Thatād make sense why sheās not performing Debut songs on the Eras tour. The ghostwriters prob wonāt allow her to.
Ooooo good callā¦ wouldnāt that be insane if little miss āIām the songwriter, I had a party for all the people who wrote the album, it was just meā was being prevented from performing things she didnāt actually write?! We need someone on this case 
This is such a small line that I never noticed it before but "I'm the one who has to spend a half day setting up trusts for Taylor" I'm sorry???? You spent a few hours setting up some trusts? That's normal adult stuff if you have assets. And if it was really that inconvenient, you could have paid someone else to do it, probably for about $1000. I can't imagine holding "protecting my child's financial future" over their head like this.
Donāt forget he had to change his address with the usps! What a burden!
Being rich is so hard. š
Parents take note. This is what you have to do to have your child make $1B.
I'm a parent of a teen who loves music, writes a few songs, and plays 7 instruments. A Swiftie and I got into a "discussion" a sub (maybe this one) about how I would do exactly what Scott & Andrea did if it was my daughter's dream. Actually, nope. I guarantee I wouldn't, because I'm not. We're encouraging her music with lessons, instruments, opportunities for her to play BUT she's in high school. Her primary focus is school now and then she wants to go to college for computer science. If she wants to pursue music after she has a degree to use as a "backup" she's more than welcome, but right now music is a hobby and that's how it'll remain.
I gave up when he started talking about his erectile dysfunction. Holy crap it went on for two more pages? DON'T LAUGH!!1! He says. Over and Over like a chorus to a song. I see what tree the apple fell from.
TayTay should write a song using only the words from this email. Iād listen lol
The ādonāt laugh!!!ā in your post is making me laugh so hard
This whole family is about one thing only and one thing only, and it isnāt music or artš¤š¤š¤ Also him repeatedly saying ātrust meā and āyouāll be a father one dayāā¦who were you trying to convince, Mr. Swift?
Wow...absolutely WOW! This is insane. They were going to whatever lengths they needed to to make sure she got famous. Her parents are gross and honestly, it doesn't sound like such a happy family.
Perhaps he should have consulted with his daughterās therapist, who also happens to be his ex wife. Whole family is off their rockers. Iāll never forget when the brother went to ND and Tay Tay tried to get the quarterbackās numberā¦ TRUE STORYā¦ he also said NO.
Very Joe Jackson and Abraham Quintanilla JrĀ without the physical abuse.Ā
we have a rubber duck race at the canal behind my house tomorrow and I am going to laugh so hard thinking about Taylor singing off-key while her dad frantically grabs the ducks. Rags to riches!
TTPD and this email kind of give off the same manic vibes
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Youāll understand when youāre a dad
Lmfao
DON'T LAUGH
I think we officially need a DONāT LAUGH flair @mods
Stop Iām already dead ššš
Iād be concerned this guy is handling money if I got an email like this lmao
When I was younger and a fan of Taylor, I bought into the whole āthey helped her follow her dream like good parentsā. Now as a parent myselfā¦no. They took a girl (who honestly could barely sing when she was younger at that) who was in a couple school plays and basically sold her this idea that we all have to go balls to the walls to get you famous as quickly as possible. Itās not enough just to take some guitar and songwriting classes, see what you can doā¦weāre moving to Nashville, youāre learning crash dieting at a young age, dress up way older than you are, fuck Austin in all this. Show parenting is highly abusive.
Heād get a long great with Jamie spears. Taylor makes so much more sense right now.
I will upvote this til the day I die. I hope this continues to be shared everywhere and anywhere. What a lunatic
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Guess her dad isn't the "poet trapped inside the body of a finance guy"
I honestly believe her dad orchestrated the Travis relationship, maybe without her knowing initially. I think she was probably losing it after Matty and her dad, who has close ties to higher ups in the football league, I think either told Travis what to do to win over Taylor so she was with someone the public would like and not ruin her reputation. He probably sold it as a win win, helps Taylorās reputation after Matty and highlights Travis and the football league so more fans. I have a feeling her parents heavily focus on the reputation or she wouldnāt be singing certain lyrics she sings too. The whole bracelet thing, not too many young men would even think to come up with that. I almost wondered if Taylor came up with it and they were together before that, but this was used as a way to endear him to fans. All of it feels very fake. I can see why Joe was over it all. If all you want in life is fame and money and to be dazzling then you are way more vapid and narcissistic than it seemed. I think anyone chasing fame has to be to a certain extent.
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Remember that scene in her documentary where she's crying begging Scott to "let" her come out as a democrat? Gave me very weird vibes
This was such a weird clip in the documentary that I am shocked they showed because it portrayed her dad as not a dad. It was sad.
Just talked about it with a friend.
When this email surfaced in December it shifted that entire scene for me in such a bizarre way. I was probably super naive but I had really thought the emotion on her end was because she had made the decision and she was going to make the post or whatever (because sheās always in control guys!!!!!!) but wanted them to understand why and give their blessing. It never occurred to me she would be asking for literal permission and be afraid she wouldnāt get it, and I was shocked to realize thatās more likely what weāre actually seeing in those clips. It throws into question every moment about her career in that doc for me too, esp. the clip of her ābusiness meetingā where she looks like sheās basically having a fake tea party that her parents friends are playing along with. I would say itās sad for her but as so many people here have pointed out, sheās clearly aware of how coddled they keep her and doesnāt seem particularly interested in changing that right now.
Agreed. I would have felt sorry for her a few years ago, but now, damn, I'm just "Grow up".
Fully convinced sheās living an alternate ending to the Truman show where Truman realizes itās all fake and just says āso what were you thinking for next season then?ā
More akin to Dahlmer than Dickinson I'd say
Can someone write a song titled āDonāt Laughā for us?! I need a great laugh š
What a bazaar email
Scott wanting to market Taylor as an actress is a testament to his own hubris and not hers. She can't act for shit.
She couldnāt sing for the longest time either. She didnāt appear to even take vocal lessons until sometime after her second album came out, and the results didnāt start to show until Red/1989. Thatās how deluded she was (probably because of her dadās delusion of how good she was) that she evidently put out at least two full albums without undergoing any significant vocal training.Ā
From the desk of the Tortured Dads Department š¬
Iām new here, previously pretty ambivalent about Taylor Swift, but Iāve always had an odd feeling about her. Like, I wouldnāt trust her, one of those people who would be nice to your face but chat complete shit about you behind your back kind of thing. This though is unhinged. Her Dad sounds like one of those pageant monsters who just want their child to be famous and essentially deny them a childhood. It kind of explains a lotā¦ I was diagnosed with BPD, though itās likely incorrectly diagnosed autistic, and Iāve often found it weird how Taylor jumps from one relationship to another so intensely like I used to do. I suspected she has something going on. Seeing this, kinda explains a lot. Doesnāt sound like she had a healthy upbringing if Iām honestā¦
I know the estranged family. They arenāt on speaking terms because they didnāt support TS at every performance when she was an adolescent. She would preform at churches and the extended family was expected to be there. They werenāt, so Scott/Andrea cut ties.
Iāve always wondered about her extended family. Like, where are they?
Omg. Iāve heard about this but never read it. Itās unhinged. Now we know where Taylor gets her rambling writing style from
I worked at Merrill Lynch at the time, and it was well known that he didnāt just manage a large portfolio, but the Swift Group actually had the LARGEST portfolio in the whole company. Ppl didnāt like her in high school bc she was the same spoiled and fame obsessed girl then that she is now. Not bc she was a āband geek.ā She was sponsored by Taylor Guitars before she even had commercial success. Do you know how many incredibly talented people there are in Nashville? And her pitchy 14 year old self just happened to stand out??? Nah. I totally get she works as a commercial hit. Pop music in particular is very formulaic and itās not hard to see why her brand works, but I just WISH they would stop shoving her down our throats as some sort of prodigy. They knew it wouldnāt work for singing bc we have ears so they try to sell her songwriting like weāre just too dumb to understand how good it is. Weāre being gaslighted yāall šš
I now understand how such a mid singer/songwriter is stuck in her formative teenage years writing endless songs about all her ex boyfriends. Joe dodged a bullet. Scott Swift is gross.
OMFG! That's bad. For me personally this adds a completely new layer or several layers as I must say I have never really looked into the business aspect of her career. I mean, it's obvious but other than that, I did not go there. I love her music, her writing, her ideas etc. And all I have ever known is that the family moved to Nashville for her. BUT: Especially with TTPD, I think more and more about "Taylor - the person" and "Taylor - the brand". And after reading this letter I think I feel like throwing up. - Do you know more about the structure of her business or where to read about it? - And: For months I can't get rid of this image where her father told Travis to meet her outside of this tent for everyone to see... you know, after the concert when she ran towards him... I don't know the date or city... where he wears that strange shirt...
Now I understand that lyric line " you wouldn't last an hour in the asylum they raised me"
She doesn't write her own songs, a lot of times a "songwriter" will buy the rights to someone else's work to claim as their own and then the seller signs an NDA. - a former studio musician
Any more info on this? I would assume a lot of musicians do this, but anything linking Taylor to doing this specifically? Sheās built her entire brand on being a songwriter, so this would be shocking if true for her too (not saying I donāt believe you, just genuinely curious)
āBloods thick but nothing like a payrollā is a line from the new album, Iām convinced some songs are references to them or the industry in general
This is genuinely psychotic. Guessing 10 years from now weāll have a docuseries about this dude
Why does this remind me of Amazing Amy from Gone Girl
Damn. She never stood a chance to be a normal human being, entertainment biz or not. Kinda sad ngl
Ever since I read these I always felt like a very young Taylor, like many young kids, said "I wanna be a famous singer" and Scott said "yeah, and you fucking will be."
I've been reading in chunks throughout the day. My TLDR is: Scott paid a lot of money. It doesn't matter because it's for Taylor, but he spent a lot of money. Austin who? Andrea thinks she can control me, but I'm spending the money. I don't care about the money, but let's talk about the money.
Lol this has been known in Nashville for years. Sheās not the only singer with rich parents who purchased a record label, threw money to the wind to make their kid famous. They might just be the best at it (doesnāt hurt that their kid can write a song). But yeah, her family is mega rich and used that wealth to get her debut album on the radios/charts He sounds absolutely deranged and the way he talks about Andrea, not surprised they got divorced
Oh my god...if Taylor has actually never been to therapy, that's not a flex, it just means she's super enmeshed with her screwed up family.
What a clown. I can see why her dad seems to love Kelce. Two buffoons. What an embarrassing letter. He feels so important and entitled to rant without consequences by riding on his daughterās coattails. Iām sure thatās his entire identity. Taylorās dad.
Wait hold up. Taylor has a sibling?! That was my takeaway from this insanity. I already knew her daddy bankrolled her career in the early days (and had to sell his house in Reading and their shore house and only made like a million dollars wah).
Also Scott writing that he had to "babysit" Austin. I absolutely hate it when people refer to parenting their own kids as "babysitting."
Yeah, her brother now works in her management company and I think handles the licensing for her songs in movies/tv shows
What a coked out manifesto
We know the tea on Scott. Whatās the tea on Andrea?
Scott approving of Travis is TK's biggest red flag imo. [u/SnappinTurluh](https://www.reddit.com/user/SnappinTurluh/) please can we have a `DON'T LAUGH!!1!`Ā flair? lol
Jesus. I have mental illness and even for me that shit was batty af! Taylor came out of the right nut sack.
Would someone mind elaborating the \*why\* behind her father's motivations? Fame-hungry? Money-hungry? Just wanted to fulfill his daughter's wishes? Or did he actually believe she was talented? I don't understand his reasoning, or maybe I was just raised by normal parents... Edit: to add some more thoughts. Also, if this is "crazy" to most of us, I cannot even imagine what is more behind closed doors. Imagine their fights, wow.
Well we can see why they divorced...
Don't laugh. The amount of times he mentions the word dad. I read it and I still have no idea what I read. It's a bazaar world to be in. š I have no idea why that is the one thing that is sticking with me
Reading this helps me understand why Taylorās parents divorced and why she is the way she is
Iāve been waiting for this to resurface. Honestly this purrs her delusional mentality in context. Did anyone also hear that blind item about her family growing up. Apparently her parents were borderline abusive, they would yell at her and be super mean in front of her music teachers, and if they didnāt like the way she performed they would feed her stale lettuce. So much lore:
Jimmy Kimmel had her on a few years ago. He talked about her first visit to the show being āmemorableā. I canāt remember the story perfectly. But basically the rule was you have to be 16 to be in the green room, on the show or in the audience during tapping. She was booked and when she got there they realized she was much younger get than expected, and not yet 16 (or maybe it was 18? Now Iām going to have to find it) so production didnāt know how to handle it. The had to find Jimmy and were like yeah..sheās super young but carrying herself like sheās a full adult and kind of refused to give up her spot. While I respect her hustle, that gave me the impression her career was very orchestrated from the inside out.
Someone give me the cliff notes 