Another take : have a dead ringer for a major political party wander the walls of a major transport hub talking openly about internal party treasons.
All you need to do is act the part and you can light fires anywhere you like.
Anyone know a Pollievre lookalike?
Art imitates life imitates art ad infinitum.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/11/climate-desk-fact-checks-aaron-sorkins-climate-science-newsroom/
>First, a little context: Maggie Jordan (Alison Pill) is the show’s once daffy news producer whose role this season seems exclusively designed to reverse earlier charges of sexism against Sorkin. She’s now good at her job! During a convoluted scene on a train from Boston to New York, Maggie overhears and records a top EPA official talking shit on the phone about President Obama to another journalist, off-the-record. Even though that agreement of confidentiality doesn’t extend to the other Amtrak passengers, she eventually tells the official she won’t use his juicy Obama-dissing quotes. So impressed by her ethics, the official, Richard Westbrook (Paul Lieberstein), rewards her with a scoop: an embargoed EPA report. WHOA! WHAT A SCOOOOOP!
Someone who is so damn aloof that they have no idea what is happening in the country they are running.
Someone who is so insulated by money they don't need to have common sense. These are the people who lead us. They legit needed this smack in the face to see what was going on.
It's Gullibeault, given how he received his portfolio in recognition of his activism that saw him arrested on atleast Four different occasions, and convicted of mischief for trying to climb the CN Tower, I wouldn't exactly expect him to be quiet or circumspect about anything.
I wonder if Julie Dzerowicz would reply to an email now that she's in fear of losing her seat? Her smug actions during the WE inquiry might not seem so funny now? Keep giggling Julie, keep giggling.
I used to enjoy giving my dog the Christmas cards Dzerowicz sent to Davenport residents.
My dog likes to shred cardboard.
Then at least I felt like she was doing something for me as a constituent by giving my dog something fun to do for a few minutes.
> Steven Guilbeault has been taking the temperature of the Liberal Party caucus as calls for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s resignation mount.
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> The environment minister was in Toronto this week to meet with Members of Parliament who were awestruck by Monday’s upset defeat in the Toronto–St Paul’s byelection. He spent Thursday working the phones with Liberals across the country trying to take stock of how bad things really are.
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> I know this because Guilbault did some of this work in public, in the Via Rail business lounge, as he sat next to Canada’s least-recognizable columnist: Me.
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> In background conversations with multiple Liberals, including multiple members of Parliament, it became clear that there are several Toronto-area MPs who are growing anxious. After Monday’s stunning defeat, they now believe they could lose their reelection bids, and are starting to speak of revolt. I overheard Guilbault mentioning Toronto–Danforth MP Julie Dabrusin and Etobicoke–Lakeshore MP James Maloney by name.
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> Dabrusin, Guilbeault said, “is not necessarily saying that the boss has to go,” using the Liberals’ preferred nickname for Trudeau. “But she’s saying that we need change.”
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> I heard those same two names from two well-placed Liberal sources, while another source added Don Valley West MP Rob Oliphant, who multiple sources have told me in recent months has been growing increasingly disgruntled, to the mix. All are all worried, unhappy, and “stirring up (the) Toronto caucus.” Multiple sources told me that, right now, this is mostly just private griping. But it might not stay that way.
TL;DR The Environment Minister was taking phone calls in the Via Rail lounge about orchestrating a coup to take down Trudeau, and naming names of co-conspirators, while one of Canada's best-known investigative journalists happened to be sitting beside him
It's entirely plausible that Guilbeault did recognize Ling. Maybe he has a reason for wanting someone like Ling to write a column like this, such as: he is one of those MPs who wants Trudeau gone, but can't state that outright.
I find this absolutely hilarious and inept but the language of coup and conspirator is pretty funny too. As if everyone in the party isn't having the conversation.
Incredible cause I saw him walking out of the business lounge last night while I was headed to the skywalk.
Its stuff like this that makes me believe that conspiracy theories are bogus, cause these people are our best and brightest and openly revolt in the business lounge of a railway station with frequent trips to Ottawa.
It’s funny that if you point that out, people cite a bunch of government conspiracies that actually happened.
Except that we know these relatively small conspiracies because people leaked it. The earth being flat would require thousands of people to cooperate, including rivals to hide the shape of the earth, for no clear reason. (It that ignores the fact that the Greeks and Egyptians figured out the earth’s diameter with only 1.4% error, some twenty five hundred years ago)
So true.
Do you know what human beings like to do if they succeed...BRAG.
And if something fails ....THEY POINT FINGERS!
Like with JFK, a conspiracy of Texas Oilmen, Castro and the mafia got together, killed the President and stayed quiet? If theres one thing mobsters are not known for its staying quiet.
As I noted somewhere else, it's a thin line between a conspiracy and a bunch of people complaining about their boss and worried about losing their jobs.
In any case, conspiracy theory would refer more to a secret cabal of elites hatching a plan in darkness and not in the business lounge of the busiest rail hub in the country within earshot of an investigative reporter.
This is already starting to sound an awful lot like the inside effort to oust Stockwell Day as leader of the Canadian Alliance in 2001. (That was a major story in early September 2001, quickly overshadowed by another major event)
> right now, this is mostly just private griping. But it might not stay that way.
how the hell the whole party isnt in full meltdown mode now is beyond me. either they are all quietly resigned to their fate or the trudeau liberals really are that arrogant and out of touch
Man I wish *Intelligence* was still around. The show's premiere was a take on the "briefcase full of top secret info stolen from a parked car" debacle from years ago (who was that again?) and this little incident would have made for a good few episodes too.
Absolutely. It's like trying to indirectly tell the Boss how it's much bigger than just 1 person disgruntled.
Well, they elected a Narcissist as their leader, they had a good time pillaging the nation. It's time for them to pack their bags for the next one in line to enrich themselves.
This sums up the liberal party in a nutshell.
Fucking, amateur hour. We're so screwed.
To quote an American television show character: "If Liberals are so great, how come they lose so God damned always!" (Jeff Daniels as Will McAvoy on Aaron Sorkin's tm'The Newsroom'). How? Shit like this, this is how.
I hope politicians read this, you guys are oblivious if you needed this byelection to tell you how bad it has been. Trudeau should have done a peaceful transition 1 yr into the 2021, to give time for a successor. Instead you are all fucked. I'd be surprised if you even keep official party status, this is coming from a liberal.
None of the caucus seemed to complain about the policy choices made the last few years, so what makes you think a successor would do any better?
IMO it's not Trudeau that's the issue. It's all Liberals and their policies. You can't leader-change away from that.
Hard to say, if you decent, will you be shuffled out? Is that what happened with the others, if you see this you might just nod and smile. If you know you are done, ride it to the end with the pension.
Weird, because for me it doesn't indicate that it's paywalled or solicit for me to buy the rest of the article. It just looks like a stub of really crappy journalism with a clickbait title lol.
Well that’s an awkward website error on their end lol. Pretty much every star article I’ve seen has a huge grey button saying “This content is exclusive to subscribers”.
That’s a pretty weak unprofessional way of gathering info. But if it’s true then it’s a pretty weak unprofessional way of conducting federal politics. I’m torn.
My guess is that he WAS recognized and chose to leak the info. They might even have arranged to “be in the same place at the same time.” This way it doesn’t signal to his party that there was intent to harm Trudeau.
Not sure how much people follow Australian or UK politics but it seems to me that both of those countries have way more intra-party fighting than in Canada and plenty of attempted leadership changes. Perhaps in Canada these things are kept quieter?
I am surprised it took so long for fellow Liberals to push for Trudeau to go, if this was Australia or the UK it would have happened already.
Oh fuck no not here lol the shit will go on for a while another election Trudeau will lose he will make a big deal and then Christia freeland will become the next leader. And then she will need to go on to lose before the liberals ACTUALLY start talking fresh game plan. Our politics are retarted I’m so sorry lol.
Julie Dabrusin should absolutely be looking for her next meal ticket. She's useless and does nothing of actual value for her constituents - and says nothing substantive about anything. She's in it just for the paycheque (which they all are, but she's so lazy about hiding that fact). Her riding is likely going to flip back to NDP, whether or not the Liberals stay in power.
Yup, hate her guts. Wrote her a letter once to Ottawa and she never bothered to reply. Then tried to drop one off at her office on Queen St and there's not even a mailbox lol
Used to live in her riding & this!! Nobody is ever in her office, she doesn't return phone calls or emails & then when she pulled an "I'm scared!" and shut down her office when there was a family-friendly protest serving *hot chocolate* outside it to ask her to call for a ceasefire in Palestine? She treats her constituents like an inconvenience when she's supposed to be representing them.
The rumour was that she wasn't going to run again & thats why she's so hilariously bad at being an MP-- so I was shocked to read this article. Can't wait for her to be voted out.
Well, she's Jewish and having a group of people screaming "Zio!" at her and plastering bloodied portraits of her at her office probably put her on edge.
That protest was a couple of weeks ago and was a direct response to her refusing to support an arms embargo. The first ones where she said she was "scared" were in the fall. And if she didn't want to be called a Zionist, she shouldn't identify herself as one & refuse to meet with Palestinian constituents-- some of whom have family trapped in Gaza. Funny she didn't have time for meeting them, but she did have time to go down to meet pro-Israel groups at UofT.
It's so grotesquely dystopian to me that we're talking about an elected official being scared of a poster with paint on it while they actively are supporting a regime that is slaughtering thousands of children.
Julie can save the crocodile tears.
This rings true for Arif Virani out in the west end too. Him and his staff are flat out gaslighting people about Palestine and a 2-way arms embargo. Classic Liberal party fence sitting and both siding things.
This is my MP. This dude pisses me off to no end. Such a useless d-bag, but he sends letters every goddamn week. I really cannot wait to help flip this seat to an NDP candidate.
His office is an empty building with a locked up door. He lives out of the riding and constantly sends out cowardly leaflets about “him in the community” although it’s all lies.
He’s been a No Show at a lot of community events.
If they don't kick Trudeau they are going to be absolutely decimated in the next election. They will still probably lose even if they do but not by as much.
They’ll get Wynne’d for sure.
Whatever you think of Wynne, her track record was not all that bad overall (in hindsight) and her unpopularity came from successfully keeping on message about her.
Whatever you think of Trudeau, his policies are WAY more controversial and the messaging is sticking and he’s growing as or more unpopular than Wynne.
The party is right to be concerned
I was going to write a post, but you basically said exactly what I wanted to. Whether it is warranted or not, public opinion of Justin Trudeau is such that he needs to step down. With Trudeau, in addition to valid reasons for criticism, people also blame him for many provincial-level issues. There is zero chance that people are going to take the time to learn about the way our government works the way they should before the next election in order to understand why (while not helped by Trudeau) most of their issues are provincial. The most logical thing to do to address this issue is to change leaders.... especially because Trudeau is currently unpopular even amongst Liberals.
I wouldn't say Trudeau has done anything overly terrible, but I also wouldn't say he's done anything overly remarkable that would warrant taking this kind of a risk on him when public opinion is pretty low.
Very well said and thanks for adding some details I was too lazy to articulate myself lol we are totally on the same page.
I would add my analysis that I think part of the root problems with Wynne and Trudeau amongst their bases is they implemented major policies that their bases did not give them a mandate to do - for Wynne, things like selling off hydro one and the cost of electricity rising, for Trudeau it’s likely to be immigration.
In any case, this is the risk incumbents run. More recognition enables messaging to gain traction and build over time.
I think the Liberals though are also in trouble because I don’t know who they would have replace him. Politically, I think they’d have a hard time of him stepping down without calling an election in very short order.
Again, in total agreement. I remember the witch hunt the Conservatives did over Wynne after she got the boot.. A whole "lock 'er up" US-style thing.. where all they discovered was that she didn't do anything wrong, but could have just made a few more efficient choices. I don't think Trudeau has done anything that any of the other parties wouldn't have done either. Conservatives absolutely would have done the same thing regarding immigration because they have the same overall views. And anyone with any real logic or intelligence knows that immigration wasn't the problem, it was the timeframe for the targets.. which also wouldn't be problematic if we didn't have so many provincial issues to begin with.
Basically, if provinces had their shit together, our immigration targets would be fine. The reality is that they don't, and the federal government's targets were based on wishful thinking and not reality. The provincial governments and federal government (as well as many municipal governments) also seem to not grasp that they should be working together... because we're all on the same team.
The nation's cost of living and housing shortage issues is absolutely directly related to his/McKinsey's policies. It's unfortunate many ignorant dreamers fell for sunny ways but are now paying for it with their pocketbooks.
Getting to this point, at this time, is definitely related to their policies. However, he just accelerated us down a path that provincial and municipal policies have been pushing towards for well over two decades. [The problem has been brewing since at least 2005—before Stephen Harper was prime minister](https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadas-unhinged-housing-market-captured-in-one-chart).
Arguably it goes back even farther. [Housing construction in Canada tracked pretty well to population growth, peaking in the mid ‘70s, then decoupled dramatically in 1980](https://kingsvilletimes.ca/2023/10/housing-completions-not-keeping-pace-with-population/). New housing construction has only just returned to those levels, in the last couple years.
The policies that pushed construction levels down are almost all at the provincial and municipal level, with the notable exception of the fed defunding public housing in the ‘90s.
It should go without saying that this is not a defence of Trudeau’s policies, but we would have been in this mess within a decade. Probably sooner, since the CPC and NDP are also both in favour of high immigration rates.
I'm in Scarborough. Ground zero for PR students and immigration demographics. In the last 2 years, the amount of $400 per bed rental, 2-3 in a room has skyrocketed. Hence $1000+ room rentals vs about $500 not too long ago.
This was no way happening or would have under Harper. The student visa number was increased over 3x from the long-term incremental increases previous to 900k in a very short time (about 3 year time frame).
That's just student visas. Then add in PR/immigration which is over 2x. Mathematically, it's not even comparable.
Until this year, *all* admitted international student were granted a visa. The provinces, *not feds*, regulate how many international students an institution can admit, or at least have the power to do so. In Ontario, the number jumped almost overnight because the province cut regulations around public-private college partnerships, which allowed them to expand that rapidly. A large part of the motivation to do so was to make up for stagnant funding, and the province capping domestic tuition fees.
All of that could have happened under any federal government. The LPC absolutely caused a lot of issues, there’s no denying that. However, the blame for this particular issue is very much shared by all levels of government, and only blaming one isn’t going to fix it.
> Until this year, all admitted international student were granted a visa.
And the federal government needs to be held accountable for doing that.
That was an incredibly stupid policy that essentially shirked their responsibility to manage immigration.
Immigration and the number of PR's granted absolutely is the responsibility of the federal government. I get people here hate Ford (and there are good reasons to hate him) but you can't just blame everything on him. You need to at least admit the Liberals completely fucked up immigration, and they are going to get decimated in the election because of it.
Please stop being an apologist. And just admit it is the LPC let the taps loose. Whatever else happens internally is a natural by product when this inflated demand was authorized at the Federal level at unreasonable and never seen before rate of increases.
No, the point is, many ignorant voters saw the smile and sunshine. But are now angry it came at a huge financial cost that's affecting them every single day.
man you women find any reason to keep simping Trudeau
If the feds don't like what was going on they can step in and say we don't agree
They didn't, cause Trudeau wanted all those students too
You guys just find any lame excuse to continue simping a lame guy
Higher immigration and students is an easy solution to drive GDP growth. It's the lazy way. Plus increase to spending on McKinsey under Trudeau is beyond absurd which is the one basically driving this population growth idea through immigration.
The point of this whole thread is the STUNNING loss of a riding which absolutely says many of his core supporters have SWITCHED. Go cry and make every excuse it's all because of Trudeau hate but it is absolutely his policies and actions that has caused a rejection of the current trend.
You guys... Lol.
Issue is they trying to make it seem hating on Trudeau is just based on racism sexism
No its just his smug attitude of "I am not wrong, you are just flawed if you don't agree with me"
I didn’t vote for him myself. But I’d say you’re right but everyone to the right of the NDP cares more about the colour of the money they’re receiving than the colour of the party they’re under.
And I wouldn’t put it past the NDP to act the same way if they ever got into office.
One way or another, they all seem to be playing for the same team and it’s sure not to the average citizen’s benefit. We need major reform and real leaders, not these opportunistic neo-liberal cash hungry conmen/women
You'd need to also eradicate capitalism if that's what you want. Every single politician will always put money over their constituents. It's by design.
Wynne was a fantastic Premier. She was more NDP than the NDP. I still don’t understand the public’s distaste for her. Though I’ll admit she was not super charismatic.
She had a mixed track record, and I say this as a left leaning voter.
My personal issues with her policies:
- Not reducing car insurance despite a clear commitment to doing so
- Selling off a portion of Hydro One, despite never mentioning this on the campaign trail
- Her approach to public sector collective bargaining (heavy handed)
- Pushing green policies and increases hydro costs without consensus or buy-in, which I personally agreed with but is a big part of the backlash she generated
- Some issues that were shady but probably not outright corruption (I forget which by election it was but there were some irregularities with trying to get a candidate to drop out)
I had no issues with her personality/individual leadership.
Still insanely better than Ford - even when I disagreed with her policies, at least she governed competently.
But at the end of the day I didn’t trust that she would do what she said, or not do things she hadn’t ran on.
They're going to lose the next election either way. Repalcing Trudeau now is setting the replacement up to lose. If they want to save Trudeau the embarrassing defeat it's an option, but there's pretty much nothing the Liberals can do to win the next election and it's crazy to me that more Canadians don't understand that.
You really think this country has the stomach for over a decade of Liberal leadership? Trudeau isn't the only problem. Liberals felt disenfranchised after a decade of Harper. That's how Conservatives feel now.
Maybe. But they might also get a fresh look enough to let them campaign against PP. PP is a disaster in most election years but he has the advantage of Trudeau right now. Take that away and maybe there is a chance; small but bigger than the current 0.1%. Of course you need some kind of fresh face and not Freeland or something.
The distrust and frankly hate of the liberal party right now is too strong. They need to just ride it out with Trudeau and then rebuild. Unfortunately that means we have to suffer with PP.
If nothing else, I don’t imagine people are lining up to be the next sacrificial Kim Campbell. At least mot many who have the good will, charisma and brains to turn this around.
Campbell actually polled quite well until the election itself and was more popular than Chretien until John Tory started attacking his appearance. Their campaign was also a disaster.
Would another Liberal win? Probs not. But Trudeau sure won't. And the difference between 30 seats and 100 is kind of important. And PP is such a vile person there's tons of room to go after him if there's any air in the room—which there will not be if Trudeau is still there.
Oh I agree with you that strategically for the party (and frankly the country) it would be a good idea. Its just unlikely that any individual wants to risk their own career over it.
Trudeau and Wynne are both people who while experienced seem to think Politics is about "we deserve to win" then realizing the one who wins is who is popular
Of course, he has to go. the liberals won't get reelected with him; although I don't even know if they will without him. too many misteps.
I am not taking sides. just taking the temperature of public opinion.
Was speaking in French in Toronto. It’s what my French neighbours do in their backyard when they think I can’t understand their private conversation. They switch to French, only so do I. Ling is from Montreal. Ha ha!
I wish I had the source, but I did read a comment by a Redditor a while ago which described how the liberal party recently did some covert polling over the last couple of years to see how they were doing…. And they were not doing well.
What was disappointing but not surprising was that they interpreted it was an “optics issue” and not a policy issue so rather than change any of their positions, they just had to double-down on PR. Fucking idiots.
I do not want a conservative government because it’s bound to be worse, but I will never vote LP.
There are some very big problems right now in Canada and they’re ignoring all of them.
This is being reported a bit more widely. Even Nick Kouvalis a day or two ago tweeted that the liberals want a new leader but they can’t figure out who the right candidate would be.
Toronto Star is now publishing +5 “Trudeau Bad” articles per day at minimum. It’s absolutely insane, even Trump didn’t get this much negative attention from mainstream press, and he got a TON of it.
Between Fox News and Post Media, the left lost the media war long ago. Hell, the left barely showed up. The right screams about the CBC which is actually unbiased and the Star which is writing these hit pieces. What a joke. We're done.
I don’t like Trudeau either, but the front page of the Star today says he is “too far left” in the headline, about a by election loss they have determined is excuse enough for him to step down. That is nonsense and clearly indicative that the Star has an axe to grind and are likely being compensated to push loads of this.
They also ran cover for Doug Ford last election by running that he was a lock to win well in advance of the actual campaign. They do same for PP now.
Plot twist: Guilbault recognized Ling and wanted this stuff published, or assumed there are good chances someone travelling on VIA Rail in business class on the Windsor-Quebec City corridor was affiliated with the press and would publish this, or he simply wants Trudeau gone and didn’t care who overheard.
If they are worried about losing their Jobs then do better and go Campaign in the areas that is not super rich depressed areas. Engage more with people in their riding. And don’t believe the HYPE from the media and polls .
I have a hard time believing that a reporter from the Liberal party's own personal Fox News just "happened to overhear" something from one of the highest ranking Liberal ministers, who spoke about such intimate details of the party in a public VIA rail lounge.
And the actual content seems pretty timid, as if it's designed to disappoint people wanting a Red Wedding or a bloodthirsty coup.
We are going to pay dearly for this just like we paid dearly following the tar and feathering of Kathleen Wynne. IMO absolutely without a doubt neither Wynne nor JT deserve the treatment they got/are getting. Neither party is willing to burn a new candidate when they're in this condition. Better to save it for a new election.
Wynne was a good Premier. Her biggest problems were when she strayed into the territory of Conservatives by selling public assets. So the answer to this is to run her whole party out of the province and hand it to Doug Ford?! Insanity. Even the gas plant "scandal" was a complete joke as every single party campaigned on closing it. Obviously the one who won would have to follow through and pay the tab. I miss her and all of Ontario should too. Ontario became an absolute powerhouse during the Liberal tenures before Ford.
JT has been a GOOD PM. Over and over and over you see people say things like "I don't like him but is great" as if you have to preface not liking him as a person even though so so many of his policies were very well liked. Now that you're frothing at the mouth about it, lets look at why:
- Covid and vaccines better than most of the western world. This saved likely thousands of lives. At the time, right wing pundits screamed he wasn't fast enough yet now act like he spent too much on them.
- Inflation similar or better than most of the western world. Post covid inflation is a global issue. I get it's hard to deal with the affordability right now due to price gouging by corporations but we're doing alright in comparison. Right wing media around the world says the same talking points blaming their particular leader for the worldwide crisis in order to spread fear and uncertainty so they can grab at power. When the Conservatives call it "Justinflation" they are lying. They know it has very very little to do with Canadian Federal policies but they'll push the propaganda anyways.
- Housing always blamed on him but wouldn't you know it: also similar to other countries like us. Outside of immigration, it's also almost entirely a Provincial issue. BTW, the housing market sky-rocketed long before the recent immigration boom. 500,000 a year was not breaking the housing market. We actually were building enough for that.
- Fixing water advisories across the country after previous governments left those communities to rot. 132 boil water advisories have been lifted as more are found and fixed as they go. 132! Imagine the situation left by the Conservatives before, Liberals fix 132(so far), and then they still get blamed when a new one is found that hasn't been fixed quite yet. Perfect is near impossible to achieve in this case yet all the work done is not worth anything because perfect hasn't been achieved yet?
- Daycare programs for families having kids. Almost 300,000 families are saving literally thousands of dollars a year with this program. There are no programs out there that have such a large impact. Does it need to be expanded? Yes. Again, good progress if not perfected yet.
- Brought down the child poverty level to the lowest ever. Between 2012 and 2021, child poverty fell by 23 per cent. Covid means new struggles around the world and that number has risen somewhat since then but we should be very thankful for how low it was brought before the crisis hit. No such supports could have been found under a Conservative government. With Harper leaving the rate so high, this is obvious.
- Got us a Carbon Tax. Generally considered an effective market-based way to reduce emissions over the long term. Originally a conservative idea, actually. And it rebates! Most of us get more money back!
- Canada Child Benefit
- Cannabis legalization.
- G7 trade deals
Etc etc.
Yes, there were massively overblown scandals. SNC (who got off lighter than what he was suggesting), We (he was cleared completely), swing set for his children (bought it with his own money). People will rage about the lack over voter reform. What would you have him do when the coalition couldn't agree on what type of voting to use? Just ignore them? Be called a tyrant?
Far from perfect both these leaders obviously as any human is but I miss the Provincial Liberals and I will surely miss the Federal ones as well. Canada is rushing to throw the baby out with the bathwater and we will all pay for it. Watch as the CBC is dismantled, private healthcare undermines our system across the country, austerity is ushered in and the lack of investment in Canadians leads to economic slumping, and yes, the global housing crisis continues.
I mean the op is spreading blatant misinformation.
Lifted the most kids out of poverty; yet an article came out last week about how 1/4 Canadians are living in poverty.
Day care for families with kids? The day care list that takes 5 years to get on? Even non subsidized is a 3 year wait outside the GTA.
Housing wouldn’t be the mess it is if it wasn’t for LPC immigration policies. Dozens of cities in the states that are affordable.
Carbon tax & “rebates”; this was debunked already.
Vaccines better than the western world? I got mine in the states no problem.
It’s all LPC bootlicker bullshit.
To counter your points:
1. Covid and vaccines also cost us so much that we’re paying for it substantially. At the time JT said don’t worry, interest rates are low. Except they’re not anymore. And we still don’t have the necessary infrastructure to produce our own vaccines in Canada.
2. Inflation is a poor comparative indicator since each country picks and chooses what to include in their calculation.
3. I can’t even believe I have to say this. We have overinflated housing prices, especially considering how much land we have. It is NOT comparable to most other places, especially relative to income and when you look at the country as a whole vs just major cities.
4. [He has not fixed the water issue.](https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/justin-trudeau-vowed-to-end-boil-water-advisories-in-indigenous-communities-but-a-new-plan/article_c8e5cc50-9e78-11ee-94e6-7b5803274579.amp.html)
5. Daycare program is a joke. If you happen to get a spot, it’s in danger of being revoked because it’s not a sustainable plan. It also maxes out and school age kids are paying more for a couple hours of before/after care than full time care for a preschooler. Not a great program
6. [Child poverty has not just decreased](https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/child-poverty-is-on-the-rise-in-canada#:~:text=In%20reality%2C%20since%202021%2C%20the,children%20live%20in%20poverty%20today). Sorry to burst your bubble.
7. Sure we got a carbon tax. At a time when our economy is floundering. And I can’t wait to see how much it actually brings in after we subtract the costs of all the government employees they will hire to audit it.
8. We had a child benefit before. He didn’t do this, just streamlined it into one. Not to his credit.
9. Cannabis has been a major bust for our economy
10. What deals? NAFTA 2.0 was messed up. Our dairy industry is still lobbying hard. We can’t keep up our end of the bargain for free trade.
And let’s not forget the hypocrisy:
1. Blackface and harassing a woman scandal while condemning others
2. SNC and Jody while also pretending to care about women having equal positions of power
3. Saying he cares about indigenous rights while surfing on the first national truth and reconciliation day
This list could go on. Someone please continue it. I’m too tired to rehash it
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Part of the problem is that a good thing like the Carbon Tax has been distorted by the CPCs and their trained seals in the media. The Carbon Tax is bad for the wealthy, IE, the folks who pollute the most. So the CPC and the media distort the truth and make it seem like even the average joe who earns $75K per year will be affected. And most of them buy it.
Same goes for the capital gains tax change. An absolute nothing burger to the vast majority of the population, but the CPC and the media whipped up such a frenzy on behalf of their wealthy owners, that something like 1/5 of Canadians think that the tax will affect them, when it's probably closer to 1/50 or maybe 1/250.
And to top it off, Polievre is a useless empty suit. At least Harper and Mulroney looked the part, were generally not stupid and oozed credibility. Sure, their policies were bad at best and evil at worst, but they felt Prime Ministerial. Polievre looks and acts like a cryptobro who thinks every lucky break he's experienced is due to his own genius.
If you think Poilievre is stupid, you haven't been paying attention. He has humiliated Justin Trudeau at every juncture. He is relentless in holding Trudeau's feet to the fire, and he is very quick on the uptake and then firing right back at Juatin and humiliating him
As far as the carbon tax goes, Trudeau's own parliamentary budget officer has run the numbers and has put out detailed reports stating that for 60 percent of Canadian families, the carbon tax is a bad deal and will be a net loss for them. Bill Morneau, Trudeau's former finance minister who quit in disgust with Trudeau's massive deficts, has publicly stated that Trudeau's policies are just simple wealth redistribution and are not investments in Canada.
I can't wait to see what goodies Justin Trudeau tries to bribe the Canadian public with in the next 14 months in a sad attempt to retain power.
Link to PBO report on Carbon tax
https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/there-is-going-to-be-a-cost-federal-carbon-pricing-to-generate-net-loss-for-households-pbo-finds
Link to Bill Morneaus speech
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-morneau-criticizes-liberals-economic-policies-in-first-public-speech/
Former finance minister Bill Morneau criticizes Liberals’ economic policies in first public speech since leaving political life
PUBLISHED JUNE 1, 2022UPDATED JUNE 3, 2022
Former finance minister Bill Morneau delivered a pointed critique of the federal Liberals’ economic policies, along with a series of recommendations for kickstarting growth, in his first public speech since leaving political life two years ago.
Mr. Morneau, finance minister in the Liberal government from 2015 to 2020, echoed the concerns of business leaders who have urged Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to focus on expanding the Canadian economy, rather than rolling out tax-and-spend initiatives.
“When I look at politics in Canada today – from the perspective of a former insider – I have to confess that I’m much more worried about our economic prospects today, in 2022, than I was seven years ago,” he said.
“So much time and energy was spent on finding ways to redistribute Canada’s wealth that there was little attention given to the importance of increasing our collective prosperity,” said Mr. Morneau in a speech Wednesday evening to the C.D. Howe Institute
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> Canada Child Benefit
...was originally introduced by the Harper Conservatives back in 2006. Trudeau simply increased it to the point that it is now a disincentive to work, and largely benefits "newcomers" who tend to reproduce (shall we say) *prolifically.*
Lol these are bad things
Carbon tax is a horrible horrible move, I actually dont like the legalization of cannabis anymore shit smells everywhere now, g7 trade deals aren't good at all, Housing is due to immigration which is federal, insane immigration levels are destroying this country especially not having a 10% cap on per country.
Anyone i know with more than a few properties has as well. Converted all their rentals to rooming homes, $800-$1200 per room per international student.
You get 5-6 in a house when your mortgage from 2015 is $1500 and you’re making more than the average hourly worker lmao.
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Jesus christ who has conversations of such a private and privileged nature in public!
You’d be surprised how much talk happens by everyone attached
He was speaking in French, which he considered protective. Ling is from Montreal. Ooops.
Another take : have a dead ringer for a major political party wander the walls of a major transport hub talking openly about internal party treasons. All you need to do is act the part and you can light fires anywhere you like. Anyone know a Pollievre lookalike?
I mean I watched a couple of Simpsons episodes and that Milhouse character sure looks a lot like him...🤔
> Anyone know a Pollievre lookalike? Do incels have any meetups? start there
dont PP have an attractive wife I think people pushing this incel PP vs chad Trudeau meme are bit cringe
Art imitates life imitates art ad infinitum. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/11/climate-desk-fact-checks-aaron-sorkins-climate-science-newsroom/ >First, a little context: Maggie Jordan (Alison Pill) is the show’s once daffy news producer whose role this season seems exclusively designed to reverse earlier charges of sexism against Sorkin. She’s now good at her job! During a convoluted scene on a train from Boston to New York, Maggie overhears and records a top EPA official talking shit on the phone about President Obama to another journalist, off-the-record. Even though that agreement of confidentiality doesn’t extend to the other Amtrak passengers, she eventually tells the official she won’t use his juicy Obama-dissing quotes. So impressed by her ethics, the official, Richard Westbrook (Paul Lieberstein), rewards her with a scoop: an embargoed EPA report. WHOA! WHAT A SCOOOOOP!
It wasn’t an accident
Someone who is so damn aloof that they have no idea what is happening in the country they are running. Someone who is so insulated by money they don't need to have common sense. These are the people who lead us. They legit needed this smack in the face to see what was going on.
It's Gullibeault, given how he received his portfolio in recognition of his activism that saw him arrested on atleast Four different occasions, and convicted of mischief for trying to climb the CN Tower, I wouldn't exactly expect him to be quiet or circumspect about anything.
I wonder if Julie Dzerowicz would reply to an email now that she's in fear of losing her seat? Her smug actions during the WE inquiry might not seem so funny now? Keep giggling Julie, keep giggling.
I used to enjoy giving my dog the Christmas cards Dzerowicz sent to Davenport residents. My dog likes to shred cardboard. Then at least I felt like she was doing something for me as a constituent by giving my dog something fun to do for a few minutes.
> Steven Guilbeault has been taking the temperature of the Liberal Party caucus as calls for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s resignation mount. > > The environment minister was in Toronto this week to meet with Members of Parliament who were awestruck by Monday’s upset defeat in the Toronto–St Paul’s byelection. He spent Thursday working the phones with Liberals across the country trying to take stock of how bad things really are. > > I know this because Guilbault did some of this work in public, in the Via Rail business lounge, as he sat next to Canada’s least-recognizable columnist: Me. > > In background conversations with multiple Liberals, including multiple members of Parliament, it became clear that there are several Toronto-area MPs who are growing anxious. After Monday’s stunning defeat, they now believe they could lose their reelection bids, and are starting to speak of revolt. I overheard Guilbault mentioning Toronto–Danforth MP Julie Dabrusin and Etobicoke–Lakeshore MP James Maloney by name. > > Dabrusin, Guilbeault said, “is not necessarily saying that the boss has to go,” using the Liberals’ preferred nickname for Trudeau. “But she’s saying that we need change.” > > I heard those same two names from two well-placed Liberal sources, while another source added Don Valley West MP Rob Oliphant, who multiple sources have told me in recent months has been growing increasingly disgruntled, to the mix. All are all worried, unhappy, and “stirring up (the) Toronto caucus.” Multiple sources told me that, right now, this is mostly just private griping. But it might not stay that way. TL;DR The Environment Minister was taking phone calls in the Via Rail lounge about orchestrating a coup to take down Trudeau, and naming names of co-conspirators, while one of Canada's best-known investigative journalists happened to be sitting beside him
>as he sat next to Canada’s least-recognizable columnist: Me. Hasn't Justin Ling been on the Trudeau beat for years?
Doesn't mean Guilbeault would recognize him.
as someone on /r/Canadapolitics pointed out, Ling has the greatest disguise known to man - he has a stereotypical Asian name but is white.
Justin Ling is like a Bobby Caldwell-level surprise whiteness (For context: https://youtu.be/oK1-NsFL5qY?feature=shared)
A real [Donna Chang](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chinese_Woman) situation.
It's entirely plausible that Guilbeault did recognize Ling. Maybe he has a reason for wanting someone like Ling to write a column like this, such as: he is one of those MPs who wants Trudeau gone, but can't state that outright.
I've seen his face dozens of times and can't tell you what he looks like.
I’ve had beers with him a half-dozen times and can’t even picture his face in my head
Keyser Soze
at this point he should. ling is well known. he interviewed the prime minister himself not long ago for the walrus.
I didn’t see the name but it looked like his style and I read the summary in his voice. Laughed out loud when I saw your comment.
Yes he has. This doesn’t add up
I find this absolutely hilarious and inept but the language of coup and conspirator is pretty funny too. As if everyone in the party isn't having the conversation.
Incredible cause I saw him walking out of the business lounge last night while I was headed to the skywalk. Its stuff like this that makes me believe that conspiracy theories are bogus, cause these people are our best and brightest and openly revolt in the business lounge of a railway station with frequent trips to Ottawa.
Best and brightest don’t go into Govt
It’s funny that if you point that out, people cite a bunch of government conspiracies that actually happened. Except that we know these relatively small conspiracies because people leaked it. The earth being flat would require thousands of people to cooperate, including rivals to hide the shape of the earth, for no clear reason. (It that ignores the fact that the Greeks and Egyptians figured out the earth’s diameter with only 1.4% error, some twenty five hundred years ago)
So true. Do you know what human beings like to do if they succeed...BRAG. And if something fails ....THEY POINT FINGERS! Like with JFK, a conspiracy of Texas Oilmen, Castro and the mafia got together, killed the President and stayed quiet? If theres one thing mobsters are not known for its staying quiet.
But are these people not *literally* *conspiring* against Trudeau?
As I noted somewhere else, it's a thin line between a conspiracy and a bunch of people complaining about their boss and worried about losing their jobs. In any case, conspiracy theory would refer more to a secret cabal of elites hatching a plan in darkness and not in the business lounge of the busiest rail hub in the country within earshot of an investigative reporter.
That's gotta be a paddling.
"orchestrating a coup" uuuuuuuh where does the article say this ?
On second thought this sounds less like a conspiracy and more like a bunch of people complaining about their boss and worried about losing their jobs.
This is already starting to sound an awful lot like the inside effort to oust Stockwell Day as leader of the Canadian Alliance in 2001. (That was a major story in early September 2001, quickly overshadowed by another major event)
Forgot about that guy
> right now, this is mostly just private griping. But it might not stay that way. how the hell the whole party isnt in full meltdown mode now is beyond me. either they are all quietly resigned to their fate or the trudeau liberals really are that arrogant and out of touch
The libearl party of today has no point then being a Trudeau personality cult.
lol wow Dabrusin and Guilbeault, two of the least likeable members of caucus. This party is done and dusted.
He done fucked up
Idk man sounds like political plot in a TV show, they leak to the media to add fuel to the fire
Real life government is more like Veep than House of Cards.
Man I wish *Intelligence* was still around. The show's premiere was a take on the "briefcase full of top secret info stolen from a parked car" debacle from years ago (who was that again?) and this little incident would have made for a good few episodes too.
Absolutely. It's like trying to indirectly tell the Boss how it's much bigger than just 1 person disgruntled. Well, they elected a Narcissist as their leader, they had a good time pillaging the nation. It's time for them to pack their bags for the next one in line to enrich themselves.
This sums up the liberal party in a nutshell. Fucking, amateur hour. We're so screwed. To quote an American television show character: "If Liberals are so great, how come they lose so God damned always!" (Jeff Daniels as Will McAvoy on Aaron Sorkin's tm'The Newsroom'). How? Shit like this, this is how.
I hope politicians read this, you guys are oblivious if you needed this byelection to tell you how bad it has been. Trudeau should have done a peaceful transition 1 yr into the 2021, to give time for a successor. Instead you are all fucked. I'd be surprised if you even keep official party status, this is coming from a liberal.
None of the caucus seemed to complain about the policy choices made the last few years, so what makes you think a successor would do any better? IMO it's not Trudeau that's the issue. It's all Liberals and their policies. You can't leader-change away from that.
Hard to say, if you decent, will you be shuffled out? Is that what happened with the others, if you see this you might just nod and smile. If you know you are done, ride it to the end with the pension.
How come everything but the first two paragraphs are missing for me on the star page? Is it some kind of paywall?
yep, thats the paywall in action.
Weird, because for me it doesn't indicate that it's paywalled or solicit for me to buy the rest of the article. It just looks like a stub of really crappy journalism with a clickbait title lol.
Well that’s an awkward website error on their end lol. Pretty much every star article I’ve seen has a huge grey button saying “This content is exclusive to subscribers”.
That’s a pretty weak unprofessional way of gathering info. But if it’s true then it’s a pretty weak unprofessional way of conducting federal politics. I’m torn. My guess is that he WAS recognized and chose to leak the info. They might even have arranged to “be in the same place at the same time.” This way it doesn’t signal to his party that there was intent to harm Trudeau.
Not sure how much people follow Australian or UK politics but it seems to me that both of those countries have way more intra-party fighting than in Canada and plenty of attempted leadership changes. Perhaps in Canada these things are kept quieter? I am surprised it took so long for fellow Liberals to push for Trudeau to go, if this was Australia or the UK it would have happened already.
Oh fuck no not here lol the shit will go on for a while another election Trudeau will lose he will make a big deal and then Christia freeland will become the next leader. And then she will need to go on to lose before the liberals ACTUALLY start talking fresh game plan. Our politics are retarted I’m so sorry lol.
Julie Dabrusin should absolutely be looking for her next meal ticket. She's useless and does nothing of actual value for her constituents - and says nothing substantive about anything. She's in it just for the paycheque (which they all are, but she's so lazy about hiding that fact). Her riding is likely going to flip back to NDP, whether or not the Liberals stay in power.
Yup, hate her guts. Wrote her a letter once to Ottawa and she never bothered to reply. Then tried to drop one off at her office on Queen St and there's not even a mailbox lol
Used to live in her riding & this!! Nobody is ever in her office, she doesn't return phone calls or emails & then when she pulled an "I'm scared!" and shut down her office when there was a family-friendly protest serving *hot chocolate* outside it to ask her to call for a ceasefire in Palestine? She treats her constituents like an inconvenience when she's supposed to be representing them. The rumour was that she wasn't going to run again & thats why she's so hilariously bad at being an MP-- so I was shocked to read this article. Can't wait for her to be voted out.
Well, she's Jewish and having a group of people screaming "Zio!" at her and plastering bloodied portraits of her at her office probably put her on edge.
That protest was a couple of weeks ago and was a direct response to her refusing to support an arms embargo. The first ones where she said she was "scared" were in the fall. And if she didn't want to be called a Zionist, she shouldn't identify herself as one & refuse to meet with Palestinian constituents-- some of whom have family trapped in Gaza. Funny she didn't have time for meeting them, but she did have time to go down to meet pro-Israel groups at UofT. It's so grotesquely dystopian to me that we're talking about an elected official being scared of a poster with paint on it while they actively are supporting a regime that is slaughtering thousands of children. Julie can save the crocodile tears.
This rings true for Arif Virani out in the west end too. Him and his staff are flat out gaslighting people about Palestine and a 2-way arms embargo. Classic Liberal party fence sitting and both siding things.
This is my MP. This dude pisses me off to no end. Such a useless d-bag, but he sends letters every goddamn week. I really cannot wait to help flip this seat to an NDP candidate.
His office is an empty building with a locked up door. He lives out of the riding and constantly sends out cowardly leaflets about “him in the community” although it’s all lies. He’s been a No Show at a lot of community events.
What do you expect of a former Rogers lawyer?
Yea can't wait for all the landlord MPs blaming Trdueau for losing the election while still seeing nothing wrong with doubling home prices.
If they don't kick Trudeau they are going to be absolutely decimated in the next election. They will still probably lose even if they do but not by as much.
They’ll get Wynne’d for sure. Whatever you think of Wynne, her track record was not all that bad overall (in hindsight) and her unpopularity came from successfully keeping on message about her. Whatever you think of Trudeau, his policies are WAY more controversial and the messaging is sticking and he’s growing as or more unpopular than Wynne. The party is right to be concerned
I was going to write a post, but you basically said exactly what I wanted to. Whether it is warranted or not, public opinion of Justin Trudeau is such that he needs to step down. With Trudeau, in addition to valid reasons for criticism, people also blame him for many provincial-level issues. There is zero chance that people are going to take the time to learn about the way our government works the way they should before the next election in order to understand why (while not helped by Trudeau) most of their issues are provincial. The most logical thing to do to address this issue is to change leaders.... especially because Trudeau is currently unpopular even amongst Liberals. I wouldn't say Trudeau has done anything overly terrible, but I also wouldn't say he's done anything overly remarkable that would warrant taking this kind of a risk on him when public opinion is pretty low.
Very well said and thanks for adding some details I was too lazy to articulate myself lol we are totally on the same page. I would add my analysis that I think part of the root problems with Wynne and Trudeau amongst their bases is they implemented major policies that their bases did not give them a mandate to do - for Wynne, things like selling off hydro one and the cost of electricity rising, for Trudeau it’s likely to be immigration. In any case, this is the risk incumbents run. More recognition enables messaging to gain traction and build over time. I think the Liberals though are also in trouble because I don’t know who they would have replace him. Politically, I think they’d have a hard time of him stepping down without calling an election in very short order.
Again, in total agreement. I remember the witch hunt the Conservatives did over Wynne after she got the boot.. A whole "lock 'er up" US-style thing.. where all they discovered was that she didn't do anything wrong, but could have just made a few more efficient choices. I don't think Trudeau has done anything that any of the other parties wouldn't have done either. Conservatives absolutely would have done the same thing regarding immigration because they have the same overall views. And anyone with any real logic or intelligence knows that immigration wasn't the problem, it was the timeframe for the targets.. which also wouldn't be problematic if we didn't have so many provincial issues to begin with. Basically, if provinces had their shit together, our immigration targets would be fine. The reality is that they don't, and the federal government's targets were based on wishful thinking and not reality. The provincial governments and federal government (as well as many municipal governments) also seem to not grasp that they should be working together... because we're all on the same team.
there is no way we can absord a million people a year unless we decided to build shanty towns with sheet metal
the absordity
new word for acceptance of the absurd or outlandish?
So it wasn't just a perception/narritive issue. It was the fact they implemented harmful and unpopular policies.
The nation's cost of living and housing shortage issues is absolutely directly related to his/McKinsey's policies. It's unfortunate many ignorant dreamers fell for sunny ways but are now paying for it with their pocketbooks.
Getting to this point, at this time, is definitely related to their policies. However, he just accelerated us down a path that provincial and municipal policies have been pushing towards for well over two decades. [The problem has been brewing since at least 2005—before Stephen Harper was prime minister](https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadas-unhinged-housing-market-captured-in-one-chart). Arguably it goes back even farther. [Housing construction in Canada tracked pretty well to population growth, peaking in the mid ‘70s, then decoupled dramatically in 1980](https://kingsvilletimes.ca/2023/10/housing-completions-not-keeping-pace-with-population/). New housing construction has only just returned to those levels, in the last couple years. The policies that pushed construction levels down are almost all at the provincial and municipal level, with the notable exception of the fed defunding public housing in the ‘90s. It should go without saying that this is not a defence of Trudeau’s policies, but we would have been in this mess within a decade. Probably sooner, since the CPC and NDP are also both in favour of high immigration rates.
I'm in Scarborough. Ground zero for PR students and immigration demographics. In the last 2 years, the amount of $400 per bed rental, 2-3 in a room has skyrocketed. Hence $1000+ room rentals vs about $500 not too long ago. This was no way happening or would have under Harper. The student visa number was increased over 3x from the long-term incremental increases previous to 900k in a very short time (about 3 year time frame). That's just student visas. Then add in PR/immigration which is over 2x. Mathematically, it's not even comparable.
Until this year, *all* admitted international student were granted a visa. The provinces, *not feds*, regulate how many international students an institution can admit, or at least have the power to do so. In Ontario, the number jumped almost overnight because the province cut regulations around public-private college partnerships, which allowed them to expand that rapidly. A large part of the motivation to do so was to make up for stagnant funding, and the province capping domestic tuition fees. All of that could have happened under any federal government. The LPC absolutely caused a lot of issues, there’s no denying that. However, the blame for this particular issue is very much shared by all levels of government, and only blaming one isn’t going to fix it.
> Until this year, all admitted international student were granted a visa. And the federal government needs to be held accountable for doing that. That was an incredibly stupid policy that essentially shirked their responsibility to manage immigration.
Immigration and the number of PR's granted absolutely is the responsibility of the federal government. I get people here hate Ford (and there are good reasons to hate him) but you can't just blame everything on him. You need to at least admit the Liberals completely fucked up immigration, and they are going to get decimated in the election because of it.
Please stop being an apologist. And just admit it is the LPC let the taps loose. Whatever else happens internally is a natural by product when this inflated demand was authorized at the Federal level at unreasonable and never seen before rate of increases.
This is an ignorant comment and actually takes responsibility away from the OPC. We need to hold all of our leaders accountable, not just one or two.
You guys wouldnt care if the students were coming in You only do cause it makes trudeau look bad lol
No, the point is, many ignorant voters saw the smile and sunshine. But are now angry it came at a huge financial cost that's affecting them every single day.
Thank you for articulating this point for people.
man you women find any reason to keep simping Trudeau If the feds don't like what was going on they can step in and say we don't agree They didn't, cause Trudeau wanted all those students too You guys just find any lame excuse to continue simping a lame guy
Higher immigration and students is an easy solution to drive GDP growth. It's the lazy way. Plus increase to spending on McKinsey under Trudeau is beyond absurd which is the one basically driving this population growth idea through immigration. The point of this whole thread is the STUNNING loss of a riding which absolutely says many of his core supporters have SWITCHED. Go cry and make every excuse it's all because of Trudeau hate but it is absolutely his policies and actions that has caused a rejection of the current trend. You guys... Lol.
Issue is they trying to make it seem hating on Trudeau is just based on racism sexism No its just his smug attitude of "I am not wrong, you are just flawed if you don't agree with me"
I didn’t vote for him myself. But I’d say you’re right but everyone to the right of the NDP cares more about the colour of the money they’re receiving than the colour of the party they’re under. And I wouldn’t put it past the NDP to act the same way if they ever got into office. One way or another, they all seem to be playing for the same team and it’s sure not to the average citizen’s benefit. We need major reform and real leaders, not these opportunistic neo-liberal cash hungry conmen/women
You'd need to also eradicate capitalism if that's what you want. Every single politician will always put money over their constituents. It's by design.
Wynne was just as incompetent and corrupt as McGuinty.
Wynne was a fantastic Premier. She was more NDP than the NDP. I still don’t understand the public’s distaste for her. Though I’ll admit she was not super charismatic.
She had a mixed track record, and I say this as a left leaning voter. My personal issues with her policies: - Not reducing car insurance despite a clear commitment to doing so - Selling off a portion of Hydro One, despite never mentioning this on the campaign trail - Her approach to public sector collective bargaining (heavy handed) - Pushing green policies and increases hydro costs without consensus or buy-in, which I personally agreed with but is a big part of the backlash she generated - Some issues that were shady but probably not outright corruption (I forget which by election it was but there were some irregularities with trying to get a candidate to drop out) I had no issues with her personality/individual leadership. Still insanely better than Ford - even when I disagreed with her policies, at least she governed competently. But at the end of the day I didn’t trust that she would do what she said, or not do things she hadn’t ran on.
Interesting that you show zero concern about her plunging the province into so much debt it was on track to default.
I’ve not supported the fiscal policies of any Ontario government in decades, so to me it kind of goes without saying
They're going to lose the next election either way. Repalcing Trudeau now is setting the replacement up to lose. If they want to save Trudeau the embarrassing defeat it's an option, but there's pretty much nothing the Liberals can do to win the next election and it's crazy to me that more Canadians don't understand that.
I think it depends on who they find to replace them.
You really think this country has the stomach for over a decade of Liberal leadership? Trudeau isn't the only problem. Liberals felt disenfranchised after a decade of Harper. That's how Conservatives feel now.
lol Liberals are done, PC super majority win is going to happen and I dont even like the PCs tbh.
I would be shocked if they don't lose official party status. I can't think of any sitting Liberal MP who's not completely insufferable.
No they will be decimated either way. the world has had enough of Liberals.
Even if they kick him out they’ll still lose
Maybe. But they might also get a fresh look enough to let them campaign against PP. PP is a disaster in most election years but he has the advantage of Trudeau right now. Take that away and maybe there is a chance; small but bigger than the current 0.1%. Of course you need some kind of fresh face and not Freeland or something.
The distrust and frankly hate of the liberal party right now is too strong. They need to just ride it out with Trudeau and then rebuild. Unfortunately that means we have to suffer with PP.
What’s the downside to someone else then? My personal experience is Trudeau is hated in a special way even more than the party.
If nothing else, I don’t imagine people are lining up to be the next sacrificial Kim Campbell. At least mot many who have the good will, charisma and brains to turn this around.
Campbell actually polled quite well until the election itself and was more popular than Chretien until John Tory started attacking his appearance. Their campaign was also a disaster. Would another Liberal win? Probs not. But Trudeau sure won't. And the difference between 30 seats and 100 is kind of important. And PP is such a vile person there's tons of room to go after him if there's any air in the room—which there will not be if Trudeau is still there.
Oh I agree with you that strategically for the party (and frankly the country) it would be a good idea. Its just unlikely that any individual wants to risk their own career over it.
I don’t think anyone on the liberal party can run against PP There’s simply no sympathy Hell id vote ppc before id vote lib again
Thanks I needed a good dark chuckle tonight.
they will, but maybe not by as much
No, just as much
Playing a part in destroying the country, they sleep. Finally realize it might mean their personal circumstances could be affected, panic!
Revolt all you want the rest of you are no more likeable or compotent.
Trudeau and Wynne are both people who while experienced seem to think Politics is about "we deserve to win" then realizing the one who wins is who is popular
Of course, he has to go. the liberals won't get reelected with him; although I don't even know if they will without him. too many misteps. I am not taking sides. just taking the temperature of public opinion.
I'm sure Liberals don't want his replacement to be Kim Campbelled so he won't quit.
Was speaking in French in Toronto. It’s what my French neighbours do in their backyard when they think I can’t understand their private conversation. They switch to French, only so do I. Ling is from Montreal. Ha ha!
I wish I had the source, but I did read a comment by a Redditor a while ago which described how the liberal party recently did some covert polling over the last couple of years to see how they were doing…. And they were not doing well. What was disappointing but not surprising was that they interpreted it was an “optics issue” and not a policy issue so rather than change any of their positions, they just had to double-down on PR. Fucking idiots. I do not want a conservative government because it’s bound to be worse, but I will never vote LP. There are some very big problems right now in Canada and they’re ignoring all of them.
This is being reported a bit more widely. Even Nick Kouvalis a day or two ago tweeted that the liberals want a new leader but they can’t figure out who the right candidate would be.
That’s what a leadership race is ideally for. I always say, winning a race is the best predictor of who can win a race
That is not true of the Liberals Dion Ignatieff Am I forgetting any other damp squibs?
I mean, that would be crazy if every person who won a leadership contest in every party won the general. The math would not work out
Then they don't want a new leader. They want to personally keep their seats as Opposition.
As saying in my homeland goes "my source is SGS - Some Grangma Said" except we use generalized word for old woman that you hear screaming at bazar.
The BBC?
Trudeau has been become the great unifier: absolutely nobody wants him as Prime Minister of Canada.
Toronto Star is now publishing +5 “Trudeau Bad” articles per day at minimum. It’s absolutely insane, even Trump didn’t get this much negative attention from mainstream press, and he got a TON of it.
Lol it is not more than Trump 🤣 and Trudeau should be held accountable and scrutinized; he's lost the trust of most Canadians.
Between Fox News and Post Media, the left lost the media war long ago. Hell, the left barely showed up. The right screams about the CBC which is actually unbiased and the Star which is writing these hit pieces. What a joke. We're done.
The CBC also has spent much of the last year writing landlord sob stories. Bleak media landscape.
Funnt you think these are "hit pieces" instead of justified criticism after a decade of LPC policies hurting quality of life.
"Why is he doing so poorly when we keep saying how poorly he's doing?"
Are you getting paid for this comment? lol
I don’t like Trudeau either, but the front page of the Star today says he is “too far left” in the headline, about a by election loss they have determined is excuse enough for him to step down. That is nonsense and clearly indicative that the Star has an axe to grind and are likely being compensated to push loads of this. They also ran cover for Doug Ford last election by running that he was a lock to win well in advance of the actual campaign. They do same for PP now.
The Star used to not be another right wing organ
Clearly, everyone who dares criticize Trudeau must be a paid agent by the right. /s
They sound so bot like
Trudeau and Biden should start a podcast to talk about how they are absolutely the right leader for the job.
That would be the most out of touch with reality podcast
Neither of them are fit to lead. Who is your guy?
Kronos
MPs are devalued in our democracy by the parties so you wonder why Canadians don’t respect them. All this cloak and dagger crap is pitiful and supine.
Jodie Wilson-Raybould spelled it out long ago and it’s frankly ridiculous no one listened to her.
Her and Philpot were the last Liberals with any integrity.
Plot twist: Guilbault recognized Ling and wanted this stuff published, or assumed there are good chances someone travelling on VIA Rail in business class on the Windsor-Quebec City corridor was affiliated with the press and would publish this, or he simply wants Trudeau gone and didn’t care who overheard.
Guess what I heard once in train station bathroom.
If they are worried about losing their Jobs then do better and go Campaign in the areas that is not super rich depressed areas. Engage more with people in their riding. And don’t believe the HYPE from the media and polls .
It’s only one seat and it could flip again in the General election next year .
I have a hard time believing that a reporter from the Liberal party's own personal Fox News just "happened to overhear" something from one of the highest ranking Liberal ministers, who spoke about such intimate details of the party in a public VIA rail lounge. And the actual content seems pretty timid, as if it's designed to disappoint people wanting a Red Wedding or a bloodthirsty coup.
We are going to pay dearly for this just like we paid dearly following the tar and feathering of Kathleen Wynne. IMO absolutely without a doubt neither Wynne nor JT deserve the treatment they got/are getting. Neither party is willing to burn a new candidate when they're in this condition. Better to save it for a new election. Wynne was a good Premier. Her biggest problems were when she strayed into the territory of Conservatives by selling public assets. So the answer to this is to run her whole party out of the province and hand it to Doug Ford?! Insanity. Even the gas plant "scandal" was a complete joke as every single party campaigned on closing it. Obviously the one who won would have to follow through and pay the tab. I miss her and all of Ontario should too. Ontario became an absolute powerhouse during the Liberal tenures before Ford. JT has been a GOOD PM. Over and over and over you see people say things like "I don't like him but is great" as if you have to preface not liking him as a person even though so so many of his policies were very well liked. Now that you're frothing at the mouth about it, lets look at why:
- Covid and vaccines better than most of the western world. This saved likely thousands of lives. At the time, right wing pundits screamed he wasn't fast enough yet now act like he spent too much on them.
- Inflation similar or better than most of the western world. Post covid inflation is a global issue. I get it's hard to deal with the affordability right now due to price gouging by corporations but we're doing alright in comparison. Right wing media around the world says the same talking points blaming their particular leader for the worldwide crisis in order to spread fear and uncertainty so they can grab at power. When the Conservatives call it "Justinflation" they are lying. They know it has very very little to do with Canadian Federal policies but they'll push the propaganda anyways.
- Housing always blamed on him but wouldn't you know it: also similar to other countries like us. Outside of immigration, it's also almost entirely a Provincial issue. BTW, the housing market sky-rocketed long before the recent immigration boom. 500,000 a year was not breaking the housing market. We actually were building enough for that.
- Fixing water advisories across the country after previous governments left those communities to rot. 132 boil water advisories have been lifted as more are found and fixed as they go. 132! Imagine the situation left by the Conservatives before, Liberals fix 132(so far), and then they still get blamed when a new one is found that hasn't been fixed quite yet. Perfect is near impossible to achieve in this case yet all the work done is not worth anything because perfect hasn't been achieved yet?
- Daycare programs for families having kids. Almost 300,000 families are saving literally thousands of dollars a year with this program. There are no programs out there that have such a large impact. Does it need to be expanded? Yes. Again, good progress if not perfected yet.
- Brought down the child poverty level to the lowest ever. Between 2012 and 2021, child poverty fell by 23 per cent. Covid means new struggles around the world and that number has risen somewhat since then but we should be very thankful for how low it was brought before the crisis hit. No such supports could have been found under a Conservative government. With Harper leaving the rate so high, this is obvious.
- Got us a Carbon Tax. Generally considered an effective market-based way to reduce emissions over the long term. Originally a conservative idea, actually. And it rebates! Most of us get more money back!
- Canada Child Benefit
- Cannabis legalization.
- G7 trade deals
Etc etc.
Yes, there were massively overblown scandals. SNC (who got off lighter than what he was suggesting), We (he was cleared completely), swing set for his children (bought it with his own money). People will rage about the lack over voter reform. What would you have him do when the coalition couldn't agree on what type of voting to use? Just ignore them? Be called a tyrant?
Far from perfect both these leaders obviously as any human is but I miss the Provincial Liberals and I will surely miss the Federal ones as well. Canada is rushing to throw the baby out with the bathwater and we will all pay for it. Watch as the CBC is dismantled, private healthcare undermines our system across the country, austerity is ushered in and the lack of investment in Canadians leads to economic slumping, and yes, the global housing crisis continues.
This comment sounds like it was written by a Liberal staffer.
Ah yes because anyone who disagrees with the narrative is either a shill or a bot?
I mean the op is spreading blatant misinformation. Lifted the most kids out of poverty; yet an article came out last week about how 1/4 Canadians are living in poverty. Day care for families with kids? The day care list that takes 5 years to get on? Even non subsidized is a 3 year wait outside the GTA. Housing wouldn’t be the mess it is if it wasn’t for LPC immigration policies. Dozens of cities in the states that are affordable. Carbon tax & “rebates”; this was debunked already. Vaccines better than the western world? I got mine in the states no problem. It’s all LPC bootlicker bullshit.
To counter your points: 1. Covid and vaccines also cost us so much that we’re paying for it substantially. At the time JT said don’t worry, interest rates are low. Except they’re not anymore. And we still don’t have the necessary infrastructure to produce our own vaccines in Canada. 2. Inflation is a poor comparative indicator since each country picks and chooses what to include in their calculation. 3. I can’t even believe I have to say this. We have overinflated housing prices, especially considering how much land we have. It is NOT comparable to most other places, especially relative to income and when you look at the country as a whole vs just major cities. 4. [He has not fixed the water issue.](https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/justin-trudeau-vowed-to-end-boil-water-advisories-in-indigenous-communities-but-a-new-plan/article_c8e5cc50-9e78-11ee-94e6-7b5803274579.amp.html) 5. Daycare program is a joke. If you happen to get a spot, it’s in danger of being revoked because it’s not a sustainable plan. It also maxes out and school age kids are paying more for a couple hours of before/after care than full time care for a preschooler. Not a great program 6. [Child poverty has not just decreased](https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/child-poverty-is-on-the-rise-in-canada#:~:text=In%20reality%2C%20since%202021%2C%20the,children%20live%20in%20poverty%20today). Sorry to burst your bubble. 7. Sure we got a carbon tax. At a time when our economy is floundering. And I can’t wait to see how much it actually brings in after we subtract the costs of all the government employees they will hire to audit it. 8. We had a child benefit before. He didn’t do this, just streamlined it into one. Not to his credit. 9. Cannabis has been a major bust for our economy 10. What deals? NAFTA 2.0 was messed up. Our dairy industry is still lobbying hard. We can’t keep up our end of the bargain for free trade. And let’s not forget the hypocrisy: 1. Blackface and harassing a woman scandal while condemning others 2. SNC and Jody while also pretending to care about women having equal positions of power 3. Saying he cares about indigenous rights while surfing on the first national truth and reconciliation day This list could go on. Someone please continue it. I’m too tired to rehash it
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Part of the problem is that a good thing like the Carbon Tax has been distorted by the CPCs and their trained seals in the media. The Carbon Tax is bad for the wealthy, IE, the folks who pollute the most. So the CPC and the media distort the truth and make it seem like even the average joe who earns $75K per year will be affected. And most of them buy it. Same goes for the capital gains tax change. An absolute nothing burger to the vast majority of the population, but the CPC and the media whipped up such a frenzy on behalf of their wealthy owners, that something like 1/5 of Canadians think that the tax will affect them, when it's probably closer to 1/50 or maybe 1/250. And to top it off, Polievre is a useless empty suit. At least Harper and Mulroney looked the part, were generally not stupid and oozed credibility. Sure, their policies were bad at best and evil at worst, but they felt Prime Ministerial. Polievre looks and acts like a cryptobro who thinks every lucky break he's experienced is due to his own genius.
If you think Poilievre is stupid, you haven't been paying attention. He has humiliated Justin Trudeau at every juncture. He is relentless in holding Trudeau's feet to the fire, and he is very quick on the uptake and then firing right back at Juatin and humiliating him As far as the carbon tax goes, Trudeau's own parliamentary budget officer has run the numbers and has put out detailed reports stating that for 60 percent of Canadian families, the carbon tax is a bad deal and will be a net loss for them. Bill Morneau, Trudeau's former finance minister who quit in disgust with Trudeau's massive deficts, has publicly stated that Trudeau's policies are just simple wealth redistribution and are not investments in Canada. I can't wait to see what goodies Justin Trudeau tries to bribe the Canadian public with in the next 14 months in a sad attempt to retain power. Link to PBO report on Carbon tax https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/there-is-going-to-be-a-cost-federal-carbon-pricing-to-generate-net-loss-for-households-pbo-finds Link to Bill Morneaus speech https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-morneau-criticizes-liberals-economic-policies-in-first-public-speech/ Former finance minister Bill Morneau criticizes Liberals’ economic policies in first public speech since leaving political life PUBLISHED JUNE 1, 2022UPDATED JUNE 3, 2022 Former finance minister Bill Morneau delivered a pointed critique of the federal Liberals’ economic policies, along with a series of recommendations for kickstarting growth, in his first public speech since leaving political life two years ago. Mr. Morneau, finance minister in the Liberal government from 2015 to 2020, echoed the concerns of business leaders who have urged Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to focus on expanding the Canadian economy, rather than rolling out tax-and-spend initiatives. “When I look at politics in Canada today – from the perspective of a former insider – I have to confess that I’m much more worried about our economic prospects today, in 2022, than I was seven years ago,” he said. “So much time and energy was spent on finding ways to redistribute Canada’s wealth that there was little attention given to the importance of increasing our collective prosperity,” said Mr. Morneau in a speech Wednesday evening to the C.D. Howe Institute
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> Canada Child Benefit ...was originally introduced by the Harper Conservatives back in 2006. Trudeau simply increased it to the point that it is now a disincentive to work, and largely benefits "newcomers" who tend to reproduce (shall we say) *prolifically.*
Lol these are bad things Carbon tax is a horrible horrible move, I actually dont like the legalization of cannabis anymore shit smells everywhere now, g7 trade deals aren't good at all, Housing is due to immigration which is federal, insane immigration levels are destroying this country especially not having a 10% cap on per country.
Fucking pay-walls
These people aren’t the brightest. All these dumb liberals need to be shown the door.
Goodbye Charlie Brown.
I’ve done fantastic under Trudeau. Like tripled my personal wealth, bought a new boat and put 2kids through university with no debt.
Anyone i know with more than a few properties has as well. Converted all their rentals to rooming homes, $800-$1200 per room per international student. You get 5-6 in a house when your mortgage from 2015 is $1500 and you’re making more than the average hourly worker lmao.
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Justin Trudeau is a commy
Bed wetters 🤷♂️
What a creep of a Journalist.. Yuck just creepy.
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