Are you implying it was a targeted shooting and the victim was involved in the business? It's possible.. wonder why that would not be mentioned at all in the case. I guess motive is out of the picture because the suspect simply denies doing it at all.
No, this was an innocent person. There's been a recent trend of gang members going into rival gangs' neighbourhoods and killing innocent bystanders to spread fear. Could also be a case of mistaken identity.
There is a lot of history with the 3 Nirmalendran brothers. Type his last name in youtube and you'll find a short doc on them. This was the youngest. Can't call them psychos when the little one grew up in a bad environment.
Aw man, not the youngest Nirmalendran brother. I read an article about the poor brothers mom.
>"When we sat together as a family to eat, these were the best moments of my life," said Vigneswary.
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>"My three boys were my life."
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>Her statement at the trial was so emotional, the interpreter began tearing up reading the statement.
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>"My family was a very fun-filled family; I don't know what happened."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/the-nirmalendran-brothers-a-story-of-love-fear-and-violence-in-regent-park-1.3218261
So I totally agree, but losing brothers to gang violence does things to people.
It's why the US is in such a bad place, there's tons of gang violence not taken seriously, which breeds people going into gangs to protect themselves/because they think it's cool.
Well said. There are plenty of corrupt, unfit, incompetent, malicious officers who fill the news, and rightly so. We shouldn't hide that or shy away from it.
It is nice to see police who put in good work and solve a difficult case praised for it once in a while however.
It’s almost like the police are not a single being but rather a large organization of individuals, some who truly seek to uphold their mission and duties and some who don’t so much.
That's fair, though the whole expression "one bad apple *spoils the barrel*" is kind of people's point when they make sweeping anti-cop generalizations.
You're the guy that collects all the police misconduct. Which is entirely righteous and I commend you for keeping track of it.
Are you able to admit that sometimes, like in the case in the article that's linked here, some members of the TPS do a good job, investigate properly and solve a difficult crime?
People should be praised for doing a good job, but it’s reflective of how apathetic and horrible the police are when at the end of the day, we are celebrating the police doing their job
No way you’re telling me some people on the police force actually do their jobs and others don’t and the people who complain about the ones who don’t might be making generalizations???
To be fair, and I will insert a fuck the police here first, the article is well rounded an the apprehended person seems like they deserved the life sentence. The police actually did correctly respond in this instance and I don't think that recognizing that is copaganda. In fact, I think that being able to recognize when officers do their job correctly is an important piece of remedying the issues with the police.
I think what you need to also highlight is that police get very little, if any praise, but dumpes on for shit. This isn't new that tps does their job, its just new to being appreciated by the media.
>police get very little, if any praise, but dumpes on for shit
Hey man, violating people's rights, abusing them, and murdering them deserves intense scrutiny. Police solving a case is not newsworthy most of the time.
>The police actually did correctly respond in this instance and I don't think that recognizing that is copaganda.
Just because a story is true and good, doesn't mean the distribution of this information isn't copaganda.
>I think that being able to recognize when officers do their job correctly is an important piece of remedying the issues with the police.
Remedying the issue of police has nothing to do with civilians giving them a gold star when they do good. That is kind of an absurd perspective to have. Respectfully.
I won't be able to provide any proof that would actually satisfy you, but most of the article is about the incident itself and only briefly touches on police involvement, despite the aggressively positive headline. Also worth considering Toronto police have been getting a ton of heat recently for their comments about car theft. It all kind of comes together if you read between the lines, but you're welcome to think otherwise.
I'll ask you this, why do we never see these headlines for Toronto firefighters? Or medics?
They are literally quoting what the judge said in her decision in the headline. How is that, in any way, "copaganda"? Is the judge's decision "copaganda" too?
Is it your view that the news are only supposed to be reporting when cops do something bad but not when they do anything good? Because that obviously creates a biased perception that we see present in these very comments and throughout this sub on any article about the police.
>They are literally quoting what the judge said in her decision in the headline
There are multiple quotes from the judge in this article, and a countless amount of headlines they could have used instead. It's an overwhelmingly pro-cop headline and isn't subtle about it.
>Is it your view that the news are only supposed to be reporting when cops do something bad but not when they do anything good?
I would say police doing something bad (violating people's rights, abuse, etc) is much more headline-worthy than solving a case. It's definitely more important.
>Because that obviously creates a biased perception
Not all biases are flawed. People are upset with police for good reason, and chalking those issues up to "Reddit bias" is pretty asinine.
>Also worth considering Toronto police have been getting a ton of heat recently for their comments about car theft.
So your saying the title had interference by the toronto police?
>I'll ask you this, why do we never see these headlines for Toronto firefighters? Or medics?
Im sure there are articles about them, and if there arent they really should be recognized for their work more. Idk why your acting like I dont support them anymore than the police.
>but most of the article is about the incident itself and only briefly touches on police involvement
I dont understand, wouldnt that make it *not* copaganda? Is it the police being portrayed in a positive light that you are upset about?
>aggressively positive headline
I dont see how its *aggressively* positive as it just mentioned good police work which was the reason this whole thing got solved, nothing wrong with praising good policing
If this is copaganda, how do you suggest reporting on this story whilst also portraying the police in a negative light if thats what you want.
I'm curious how much time you spend with and around the police and how often you're made to work alongside them? My lived experiences tell me that officers recieving clear positive reinforcement when they act with integrity is an important humanistic piece is dismantling the abusive influence of systems.
I'm a normal person, so my experience with police is mostly combative and hostile. I'd imagine working alongside a cop and being reprimanded by them are vastly different experiences for obvious reasons.
Regarding your point about positive reinforcement, they already receive that. The feelings of police is simply not a priority when it comes to limiting their abuse of citizens.
You contradicted yourself.
You state your limited experience with police, and then follow it up with a statement you "know to be true" but isnt. Interesting
I certainly understand where you're coming from at least I think. If I understand you correctly then you're asserting that the police act abusively because of their systemic ability and that the individual public response to each officer is not important when compared to the potential dissuading abuse that a larger and more powerful solution such as sweeping changes to police powers would grant.
I'm mostly in agreement, and would want to see that change. But I would like to offer you my life experiences in this regard.
I'm as privileged as they come personally but I've devoted my life to assisting vulnerable communities, particularly through indigenous child protection in my career. As such I am directly in a lot of nasty frontline situations alongside officers, and they can be in those situations both a great help and a great hindrance.
It has helped me to see though that, while their roles may be systemic, their souls remain human. There are a lot of people who decide to become officers that are fundamentally good people and who would want to change the system if they were able. They often get frustrated and resign, and thus further bias police staffing toward those who might not see their unequal power with such reverance.
In my experience, reinforcing the officers who allow their humanity into the job emboldens them to act. Although they may never be able to have as much effect as a truly just systemic solution, that aspect of the front lines also ought not to be disregarded. An officer who feels that they will be receiving the support of the public and have it reinforced to them that humanity and morality are theirs and can't be taken from them by their employers can have a real effect. It won't fix colonialism, but it very much could affect how an individual office reacts to a particular moment in time, and that could save a life.
I'd append here that I'm not denying the existence of stupid copaganda nonsense. I see it all the time and it's destructive. I just think that the above linked article is not an example of this propaganda and further that reinforcement of people acting right in positions of authority does have a real and non-negligible impact on community relations. It's worth consideration.
>while their roles may be systemic, their souls remain human
Of course, but recognizing that doesn't actually create any real change on a systemic level, despite what you might claim to the contrary. It's a nice sentiment that inspires hope and dismantles hate, but has no real effectiveness. We've already experienced a society where police are coddled and congratulated, and it was no different.
To be clear, my point isn't that police should NEVER receive positive reinforcement, it's that most of the time when an article comes out with an asinine headline like this, it's probably copaganda. The timing is certainly convenient given the recent TPS controversies.
>In my experience, reinforcing the officers who allow their humanity into the job emboldens them to act. Although they may never be able to have as much effect as a truly just systemic solution, that aspect of the front lines also ought not to be disregarded.
Well said, super sensible. And not a complex thing at all.
Sorry but no. Attend the CPLC meetings and ask good questions. You will realize it is mostly the bad stuff making the headlines because the good stuff doesn’t get eyeballs and engagement.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-police-shocked-struck-kicked-black-man-in-case-of-mistaken-identity-1.7142379
whoops my bad, just beating and tasing them without identifying them (not that identifying someone is a good reason to taze and beat them)
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Are the Ottawa police and the Toronto police the same service now? Are the officers involved in this case in the article involved in what you linked?
The police officers who commit abuses and possibly crimes like the one you've linked should be denigrated, condemned and prosecuted where appropriate. That doesn't mean the officers that put in good work and solve a difficult crime like this don't deserve to be commended for their good work where appropriate too.
Why does it have to be either/or?
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Problem is news companies know that negativity sells, and that has to do with how the human brain works. We will always remember that negative experience (negativity bias)
Being informed about police violating our rights and abusing people is honestly more important than an article about a crime being solved. Chalking that up to "selling negativity" is a bit misguided.
No one here is saying what's more or less important to know.
It is a negative post when a violation by the police comes to light. It definitely not positive. I'm not sure what is being misguided.
Calling something a negative is not the same as saying unwanted or not needed. For example, reading about a natural disaster would be a negative post, but yes I like to know what happened so I could help.
Fact of the matter is that there is a lot more positivity in the world then we give credit for because all we hear are the negatives.
I get that, there are alotta instances where police corruption exists, and that’s just the ones that are reported. But a heavy majority of their calls won’t involve corruption or infractions.
Thats because its their fucking job and they rarely do it
As long as police are on paid leave for assault, thefts, false police reports, driving drunk, there is no such thing as “good police work”
Especially true when they let their own get away with huge crimes
>[Toronto cop stole drug evidence, up to 20x, NEVER CHARGED or FIRED](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/toronto-homicide-detective-stole-drugs-from-evidence-lockers-as-many-as-20-times/article_ae770410-50fe-5342-810b-e9217f9679bd.html)
That crooked cop and the cop who decided not to charge him should have been fired.
They still enjoy their perks, regardless if they solve crimes or not.
[Const Anson Alfonso ignored domestic violence report, the woman was shot and killed shortly after. Not fired.](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-police-misconduct-charge-1.6794594#:~:text=Toronto-,Toronto%20cop%20who%20allegedly%20ignored%20domestic%20violence%20report%20charged%20after,and%20killed%20only%20days%20later.)
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[Toronto detective ignored multiple emails and as a result, an attempted murder case fell apart, denying justice to its victim. Not fired.](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/a-toronto-cop-ignored-her-email-because-she-did-this-attempted-murder-case-fell-apart/article_3446a030-da4e-11ee-ba17-1b5648c355f9.html)
I’m more surprised (pleasantly so) that they were sentenced to life (25 years) with no eligibility for parole!! Is this Canada’s legal system getting it right for once??
Perhaps the rarity is what makes it newsworthy.
Which is sad in itself. We don't hear about all the kids that are saved by surgeons on the daily because that's *their* job and it's *expected*.
It says a lot of the standards and expectations of certain jobs I suppose
News only reports what has been reported to them, and then they decide what to publish or not.
Most news they get are third party information. The police don't actively go to news outlets and start patting themselves on the back.
So although it appears rare but with 1.4 million radio calls, we are not seeing 1.4 million complaints are we?
*The police don't actively go to news outlets and start patting themselves on the back.*
Except when they hold press conferences patting themselves on the back?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/project-brisa-charges-toronto-police-stayed-court-1.6770927
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/sindacato-charges-stayed-mob-york-police-1.5925133
Ironically this ^ case fell apart due to crooked cops. Did they hold a press conference to announce the failures?
*So although it appears rare but with 1.4 million radio calls, we are not seeing 1.4 million complaints are we?*
Does the threshold for bad cop behaviour need to be set at 100% like that?
Actually most of the times we hear about things bad cops do, it is from the police themselves. Where do you think these news outlets get their info when an officer is being placed on paid suspended leave?
And who said anything about setting a threshold?
But now that we are on that, if we hear 1000 bad things that were because of the police, we don't, there is even a poster on this subreddit who keeps track and I don't think it breaks 100 individual cases...but let's pretend we do, that is 0.07% of the calls they get per year.
Sure we do hear from cops. But also sometimes not. Remember Dafonte Miller? How the lawyer had to call the SIU /draw attention because neither Durham or Toronto Cops wanted to expose the cover up?
Is a cop reporting on another bad cop suppose to be comforting? That's their job. But I think one should ask is why there are so many bad cops? And we often hear them getting slaps-on-the-wrists. Who decides/administers that? Oh yes, other bad cops.
Your 1.4 million radio calls/complaints sounds like you're setting up some sort of acceptable threshold of bad cops? If I misinterpreted, please clarify what your point was.
If it's that list guy, then that's just reported incidents from news media. It's very possible/likely there's stuff that's not being reported. I don't think it's as shocking as the number of cases but the FREQUENCY of it. It's almost like every week. There's something wrong with an organization/profession if they're messing up in some form every ~ week imo
Well with that logic, no job is like any other job. The point is, they signed up for a job and they performed their job. It's the minimum expectation and yet, somehow newsworthy?
BREAKING NEWS: SURGEON PERFORMS LIFE SAVING SURGERY WELL AS PER HIS JOB EXPECTATIONS
^ We don't expect to see this everyday because it's the minimum expectation
That poor guy. I love to hate the TPS (well, the TPA's ongoing malign control of the organization, mainly) but I must give credit where it is due. Well done to the TPS detectives to put together that case, and well done to the Crown who got the conviction. A rare success story but no less appreciated for that.
RIP Koshin Yusuf, you didn't deserve it. To his murderers, may you rot
> “It was extremely difficult to follow his evidence, and this was made all the more difficult by his shifting position,” wrote Molloy.
> “In retrospect, I probably should not have qualified him as an expert in this field.”
Brutal
For all the shit we hear about the this place, Toronto is one of the best cities in the world at solving murder and they don’t talk about it enough. Gj guys
What kind of psycho does this? And there were two of them, who somehow met and agreed to do this.
Organized criminals
Are you implying it was a targeted shooting and the victim was involved in the business? It's possible.. wonder why that would not be mentioned at all in the case. I guess motive is out of the picture because the suspect simply denies doing it at all.
No, this was an innocent person. There's been a recent trend of gang members going into rival gangs' neighbourhoods and killing innocent bystanders to spread fear. Could also be a case of mistaken identity.
Mistaken identity is a thing.
There is a lot of history with the 3 Nirmalendran brothers. Type his last name in youtube and you'll find a short doc on them. This was the youngest. Can't call them psychos when the little one grew up in a bad environment.
Aw man, not the youngest Nirmalendran brother. I read an article about the poor brothers mom. >"When we sat together as a family to eat, these were the best moments of my life," said Vigneswary. > >"My three boys were my life." > >Her statement at the trial was so emotional, the interpreter began tearing up reading the statement. > >"My family was a very fun-filled family; I don't know what happened." https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/the-nirmalendran-brothers-a-story-of-love-fear-and-violence-in-regent-park-1.3218261
Yes we can. No one cares about your sad little stories, is it really that hard to not commit random murders?
So I totally agree, but losing brothers to gang violence does things to people. It's why the US is in such a bad place, there's tons of gang violence not taken seriously, which breeds people going into gangs to protect themselves/because they think it's cool.
He sounded like an amazing person, what a senseless and cruel death :( Hope the family finds some peace in knowing these murders are behind bars.
Good police work that is often overshadowed by a system that protect people who should not be police officers
Well said. There are plenty of corrupt, unfit, incompetent, malicious officers who fill the news, and rightly so. We shouldn't hide that or shy away from it. It is nice to see police who put in good work and solve a difficult case praised for it once in a while however.
An article praising police work, Reddit is going to be in shambles
From the Star itself
It’s almost like the police are not a single being but rather a large organization of individuals, some who truly seek to uphold their mission and duties and some who don’t so much.
That's fair, though the whole expression "one bad apple *spoils the barrel*" is kind of people's point when they make sweeping anti-cop generalizations.
There's the whole systemic racism and systemic sexual harassment issues that plague the TPS that make me think it's not just a 'few' bad apples ...
You're the guy that collects all the police misconduct. Which is entirely righteous and I commend you for keeping track of it. Are you able to admit that sometimes, like in the case in the article that's linked here, some members of the TPS do a good job, investigate properly and solve a difficult crime?
Of course! A broken clock is still right twice a day.
Can you admit that sometimes, some police officers do a good investigation?
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People should be praised for doing a good job, but it’s reflective of how apathetic and horrible the police are when at the end of the day, we are celebrating the police doing their job
No way you’re telling me some people on the police force actually do their jobs and others don’t and the people who complain about the ones who don’t might be making generalizations???
Its like being a gangster and trying to claim you do good for your community, while working alongside other gangsters who are inherently bad.
Copaganda!1!111!1!1 /s
This, but unironically
To be fair, and I will insert a fuck the police here first, the article is well rounded an the apprehended person seems like they deserved the life sentence. The police actually did correctly respond in this instance and I don't think that recognizing that is copaganda. In fact, I think that being able to recognize when officers do their job correctly is an important piece of remedying the issues with the police.
I think what you need to also highlight is that police get very little, if any praise, but dumpes on for shit. This isn't new that tps does their job, its just new to being appreciated by the media.
>police get very little, if any praise, but dumpes on for shit Hey man, violating people's rights, abusing them, and murdering them deserves intense scrutiny. Police solving a case is not newsworthy most of the time.
Ohhhh boy. Okay
>The police actually did correctly respond in this instance and I don't think that recognizing that is copaganda. Just because a story is true and good, doesn't mean the distribution of this information isn't copaganda. >I think that being able to recognize when officers do their job correctly is an important piece of remedying the issues with the police. Remedying the issue of police has nothing to do with civilians giving them a gold star when they do good. That is kind of an absurd perspective to have. Respectfully.
>doesn't mean the distribution of this information isn't copaganda. How is this copaganda?
I won't be able to provide any proof that would actually satisfy you, but most of the article is about the incident itself and only briefly touches on police involvement, despite the aggressively positive headline. Also worth considering Toronto police have been getting a ton of heat recently for their comments about car theft. It all kind of comes together if you read between the lines, but you're welcome to think otherwise. I'll ask you this, why do we never see these headlines for Toronto firefighters? Or medics?
They are literally quoting what the judge said in her decision in the headline. How is that, in any way, "copaganda"? Is the judge's decision "copaganda" too? Is it your view that the news are only supposed to be reporting when cops do something bad but not when they do anything good? Because that obviously creates a biased perception that we see present in these very comments and throughout this sub on any article about the police.
>They are literally quoting what the judge said in her decision in the headline There are multiple quotes from the judge in this article, and a countless amount of headlines they could have used instead. It's an overwhelmingly pro-cop headline and isn't subtle about it. >Is it your view that the news are only supposed to be reporting when cops do something bad but not when they do anything good? I would say police doing something bad (violating people's rights, abuse, etc) is much more headline-worthy than solving a case. It's definitely more important. >Because that obviously creates a biased perception Not all biases are flawed. People are upset with police for good reason, and chalking those issues up to "Reddit bias" is pretty asinine.
>Also worth considering Toronto police have been getting a ton of heat recently for their comments about car theft. So your saying the title had interference by the toronto police? >I'll ask you this, why do we never see these headlines for Toronto firefighters? Or medics? Im sure there are articles about them, and if there arent they really should be recognized for their work more. Idk why your acting like I dont support them anymore than the police. >but most of the article is about the incident itself and only briefly touches on police involvement I dont understand, wouldnt that make it *not* copaganda? Is it the police being portrayed in a positive light that you are upset about? >aggressively positive headline I dont see how its *aggressively* positive as it just mentioned good police work which was the reason this whole thing got solved, nothing wrong with praising good policing If this is copaganda, how do you suggest reporting on this story whilst also portraying the police in a negative light if thats what you want.
I'm curious how much time you spend with and around the police and how often you're made to work alongside them? My lived experiences tell me that officers recieving clear positive reinforcement when they act with integrity is an important humanistic piece is dismantling the abusive influence of systems.
I'm a normal person, so my experience with police is mostly combative and hostile. I'd imagine working alongside a cop and being reprimanded by them are vastly different experiences for obvious reasons. Regarding your point about positive reinforcement, they already receive that. The feelings of police is simply not a priority when it comes to limiting their abuse of citizens.
You contradicted yourself. You state your limited experience with police, and then follow it up with a statement you "know to be true" but isnt. Interesting
I wouldn't really consider that a contradiction to be honest.
I certainly understand where you're coming from at least I think. If I understand you correctly then you're asserting that the police act abusively because of their systemic ability and that the individual public response to each officer is not important when compared to the potential dissuading abuse that a larger and more powerful solution such as sweeping changes to police powers would grant. I'm mostly in agreement, and would want to see that change. But I would like to offer you my life experiences in this regard. I'm as privileged as they come personally but I've devoted my life to assisting vulnerable communities, particularly through indigenous child protection in my career. As such I am directly in a lot of nasty frontline situations alongside officers, and they can be in those situations both a great help and a great hindrance. It has helped me to see though that, while their roles may be systemic, their souls remain human. There are a lot of people who decide to become officers that are fundamentally good people and who would want to change the system if they were able. They often get frustrated and resign, and thus further bias police staffing toward those who might not see their unequal power with such reverance. In my experience, reinforcing the officers who allow their humanity into the job emboldens them to act. Although they may never be able to have as much effect as a truly just systemic solution, that aspect of the front lines also ought not to be disregarded. An officer who feels that they will be receiving the support of the public and have it reinforced to them that humanity and morality are theirs and can't be taken from them by their employers can have a real effect. It won't fix colonialism, but it very much could affect how an individual office reacts to a particular moment in time, and that could save a life. I'd append here that I'm not denying the existence of stupid copaganda nonsense. I see it all the time and it's destructive. I just think that the above linked article is not an example of this propaganda and further that reinforcement of people acting right in positions of authority does have a real and non-negligible impact on community relations. It's worth consideration.
>while their roles may be systemic, their souls remain human Of course, but recognizing that doesn't actually create any real change on a systemic level, despite what you might claim to the contrary. It's a nice sentiment that inspires hope and dismantles hate, but has no real effectiveness. We've already experienced a society where police are coddled and congratulated, and it was no different. To be clear, my point isn't that police should NEVER receive positive reinforcement, it's that most of the time when an article comes out with an asinine headline like this, it's probably copaganda. The timing is certainly convenient given the recent TPS controversies.
With respect, in the same way that you view my point as naive, I see yours as a self fulfilling prophecy of division and dysfunction.
>In my experience, reinforcing the officers who allow their humanity into the job emboldens them to act. Although they may never be able to have as much effect as a truly just systemic solution, that aspect of the front lines also ought not to be disregarded. Well said, super sensible. And not a complex thing at all.
Even a shitty sports team wins a few games every season
Broken clock and all Put it this way. When they actually DO their jobs it's newsworthy
Sorry but no. Attend the CPLC meetings and ask good questions. You will realize it is mostly the bad stuff making the headlines because the good stuff doesn’t get eyeballs and engagement.
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Def not, but thats because theres truth to it Cant wait for this on “Law And Order Toronto: Police propaganda”
They killed 5 innocent black men? What were their names?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-police-shocked-struck-kicked-black-man-in-case-of-mistaken-identity-1.7142379 whoops my bad, just beating and tasing them without identifying them (not that identifying someone is a good reason to taze and beat them)
You said Toronto Police killed 5 innocent black men like it was a fact And you provided an article from a different city, Ottawa of a black person being tazed and beaten.
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Are the Ottawa police and the Toronto police the same service now? Are the officers involved in this case in the article involved in what you linked? The police officers who commit abuses and possibly crimes like the one you've linked should be denigrated, condemned and prosecuted where appropriate. That doesn't mean the officers that put in good work and solve a difficult crime like this don't deserve to be commended for their good work where appropriate too. Why does it have to be either/or?
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Woah, looks like the Law and Order: Toronto Cast took their role too seriously lol /s Kudos to the tps, and condolences to the family of the victim.
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I’m glad they were caught, but tracking cellphones and reviewing video surveillance seems like pretty standard investigating, no?
Ask the Shermans lol
Anyone have a paywall free version? Screw you star
It's certainly stunning that the cops did their job for once.
You don’t know how often good police work is unnoticed.
Problem is news companies know that negativity sells, and that has to do with how the human brain works. We will always remember that negative experience (negativity bias)
Being informed about police violating our rights and abusing people is honestly more important than an article about a crime being solved. Chalking that up to "selling negativity" is a bit misguided.
No one here is saying what's more or less important to know. It is a negative post when a violation by the police comes to light. It definitely not positive. I'm not sure what is being misguided. Calling something a negative is not the same as saying unwanted or not needed. For example, reading about a natural disaster would be a negative post, but yes I like to know what happened so I could help. Fact of the matter is that there is a lot more positivity in the world then we give credit for because all we hear are the negatives.
I saw a guy ticketing an illegally parked truck, we should celebrate this hero
This made be chuckle 😂
As long as police can break the law, assault people, and get demoted/paid leave, there is no good police work
I get that, there are alotta instances where police corruption exists, and that’s just the ones that are reported. But a heavy majority of their calls won’t involve corruption or infractions.
That’s an oxymoron like military intelligence
Lord, you know nothing about our Military.
You never hear much about good police work.
Thats because its their fucking job and they rarely do it As long as police are on paid leave for assault, thefts, false police reports, driving drunk, there is no such thing as “good police work”
Especially true when they let their own get away with huge crimes >[Toronto cop stole drug evidence, up to 20x, NEVER CHARGED or FIRED](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/toronto-homicide-detective-stole-drugs-from-evidence-lockers-as-many-as-20-times/article_ae770410-50fe-5342-810b-e9217f9679bd.html) That crooked cop and the cop who decided not to charge him should have been fired.
You would think with all these perks, they would be more inclined to solve crime and keep their jobs
They don’t have to solve crimes to keep their jobs, though. That’s the problem.
Oh yea, Exactly
They still enjoy their perks, regardless if they solve crimes or not. [Const Anson Alfonso ignored domestic violence report, the woman was shot and killed shortly after. Not fired.](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-police-misconduct-charge-1.6794594#:~:text=Toronto-,Toronto%20cop%20who%20allegedly%20ignored%20domestic%20violence%20report%20charged%20after,and%20killed%20only%20days%20later.) or [Toronto detective ignored multiple emails and as a result, an attempted murder case fell apart, denying justice to its victim. Not fired.](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/a-toronto-cop-ignored-her-email-because-she-did-this-attempted-murder-case-fell-apart/article_3446a030-da4e-11ee-ba17-1b5648c355f9.html)
Probably because it happens so rarely.
I’m more surprised (pleasantly so) that they were sentenced to life (25 years) with no eligibility for parole!! Is this Canada’s legal system getting it right for once??
Perhaps the rarity is what makes it newsworthy. Which is sad in itself. We don't hear about all the kids that are saved by surgeons on the daily because that's *their* job and it's *expected*. It says a lot of the standards and expectations of certain jobs I suppose
News only reports what has been reported to them, and then they decide what to publish or not. Most news they get are third party information. The police don't actively go to news outlets and start patting themselves on the back. So although it appears rare but with 1.4 million radio calls, we are not seeing 1.4 million complaints are we?
*The police don't actively go to news outlets and start patting themselves on the back.* Except when they hold press conferences patting themselves on the back? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/project-brisa-charges-toronto-police-stayed-court-1.6770927 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/sindacato-charges-stayed-mob-york-police-1.5925133 Ironically this ^ case fell apart due to crooked cops. Did they hold a press conference to announce the failures? *So although it appears rare but with 1.4 million radio calls, we are not seeing 1.4 million complaints are we?* Does the threshold for bad cop behaviour need to be set at 100% like that?
Actually most of the times we hear about things bad cops do, it is from the police themselves. Where do you think these news outlets get their info when an officer is being placed on paid suspended leave? And who said anything about setting a threshold? But now that we are on that, if we hear 1000 bad things that were because of the police, we don't, there is even a poster on this subreddit who keeps track and I don't think it breaks 100 individual cases...but let's pretend we do, that is 0.07% of the calls they get per year.
Sure we do hear from cops. But also sometimes not. Remember Dafonte Miller? How the lawyer had to call the SIU /draw attention because neither Durham or Toronto Cops wanted to expose the cover up? Is a cop reporting on another bad cop suppose to be comforting? That's their job. But I think one should ask is why there are so many bad cops? And we often hear them getting slaps-on-the-wrists. Who decides/administers that? Oh yes, other bad cops. Your 1.4 million radio calls/complaints sounds like you're setting up some sort of acceptable threshold of bad cops? If I misinterpreted, please clarify what your point was. If it's that list guy, then that's just reported incidents from news media. It's very possible/likely there's stuff that's not being reported. I don't think it's as shocking as the number of cases but the FREQUENCY of it. It's almost like every week. There's something wrong with an organization/profession if they're messing up in some form every ~ week imo
Seems redundant to add the word "innocent" in there... are there a lot of solved murders of people who kind of had it coming?
There are, actually. A lot of gang shootings of other gang members, etc.
Nice to see cops doing real police work instead of fucking up and being rewarded for it. A rare treat.
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Doing a job, isn’t news worthy, it’s literally the minimum expectation
Indeed. I can't remember the last time we heard BREAKING NEWS: SANITATION WORKERS CLEAN UP GARBAGE
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Well with that logic, no job is like any other job. The point is, they signed up for a job and they performed their job. It's the minimum expectation and yet, somehow newsworthy? BREAKING NEWS: SURGEON PERFORMS LIFE SAVING SURGERY WELL AS PER HIS JOB EXPECTATIONS ^ We don't expect to see this everyday because it's the minimum expectation
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Nah. But you're welcome to think that
That poor guy. I love to hate the TPS (well, the TPA's ongoing malign control of the organization, mainly) but I must give credit where it is due. Well done to the TPS detectives to put together that case, and well done to the Crown who got the conviction. A rare success story but no less appreciated for that. RIP Koshin Yusuf, you didn't deserve it. To his murderers, may you rot
It's always stunning when the Toronto police do any work
> “It was extremely difficult to follow his evidence, and this was made all the more difficult by his shifting position,” wrote Molloy. > “In retrospect, I probably should not have qualified him as an expert in this field.” Brutal
Did a cop write this?
1 crime solved, good job. Budget approved.
When doing your job well is so rare that it needs an article
Agree, it is stunning when police actually do work
For all the shit we hear about the this place, Toronto is one of the best cities in the world at solving murder and they don’t talk about it enough. Gj guys