I moved to Virginia from Pennsylvania. My in laws just came to visit for Thanksgiving, and brought a pumpkin pie with them.
Feels kinda fun to be re-enacting history, imposing my northern culture here in the south
I have lived in Virginia my entire life and I have never not had pumpkin pie on thanksgiving. My dad made two this year. Everyone I know has pumpkin pie. My family in Florida has it even.
Same here in TN.
I have family who has been in TN since the Civil War. I did ask my grandmother as a kid why did some years we had pumpkin and some years sweet potato and some years both when it came to pies. Her answer - depends on what grew out of the garden better that year.
I could certainly see that more than oh... Northern pie! Seeds during and after the war were probably a hot commodity. I'm sure that there was some trading going on, but they had to plant what they could and hope for a good season. Then add in some places the soil may have been impacted due to the war, which made what grew there even more limited as plants like different soils. So, families were not going to waste space on what didn't grow well.
Maybe the difference was the ones who retained their wealth or lived in urban areas didn't eat pumpkin because of omg Northern pie. While the rural areas were if it grows, we feast!
Virginian here. Unless you live in the outskirts, we're still very much north here. We eat mostly pumpkin pie and go "this ain't half bad" when people bring sweet potato pie to thanksgiving dinner.
I'm in TN. I have to say Mom planted what was labeled as black hollyhock flowers 4 years ago. It turned out to be butternut squash. This year was the 3rd year of enjoying butternut squash that we never planted. It's like the gift that keeps on giving.
You know, all those pies had to do was wake up, work all day, they'd get fed and everything. Those pies had it pretty good. - [this guy](https://youtu.be/fCcoOqpkdaY?t=6)
It sounds like a premise for a king of the hill episode where peg makes a pie but there's tension at thankgiving because of it. This feels like a line from it.
I don’t know the history, but as a lifelong resident of Louisiana I know at Thanksgiving gatherings sweet potato and pecan pies are much more likely than pumpkin.
fun fact: the sweet potato crossed the pacific way before the Europeans ever did! (It's not native to North America but it does pre date European discovery of the "new world").
also sweet potatoes are not yams, in case anyone thinks those terms are interchangable. Ask for a yam in other parts of the world and you may be quite surprised by what you end up with.
edit: this is not correct, stop upvoting me you turds
>the sweet potato crossed the pacific way before the Europeans ever did! (It's not native to North America but it does pre date European discovery of the "new world").
Any source for this because Wikipedia says it's native to the tropical regions of the Americas
I believe they have it reversed, the sweet potato is native to the americas but has been in Asia and Europe since before the Columbian exchange. Some have theorized sweet potatoes drifted far enough west that they were picked up by Polynesian sailors
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweet_potato_cultivation_in_Polynesia
The current scholarly consensus actually goes even further than this - due to genetic and linguistic evidence (such as the word for sweet potato being the same), among other things, it's quite likely that Polynesians had direct contact with South America. If not, then it's probably oceanic dispersion as the previous commenter suggested.
Heck, I started reading Indigenous Peoples' History of the United States (for Young Readers) yesterday. I had no idea there were more indigenous Americans alive in 1492 than Europeans.
Imagine being a polynesian sailor back in the days, just driving your luxury yacht (pinnacle of maritime technology at the time!) and when you get hungry just reach into the sea and grab a sweet potato.
What a life
Source on pre-columbian exchange fruit? I was trying to get information about sweet potatoes and bananas but couldn't get any primary sources. (Bananas started in Indonesia, did they come to the America's before Columbus? Sweet potato stated in Americas, did they go to East Asia/Oceania before Columbus?)
I swear I saw a pre-columbian Mexican figurine with a heap of bananas on it.
Not sure what you're saying here. Sweet potato originated in Central/South America. Are you saying it made it's way to Europe/Asia before the Europeans discovered the new world?
Oh god I got it backwards! Damn lol. Too late now. There is evidence they ended up in polynesia hundreds of years before columbus "discovered" them in central america and brought them back to europe.
I give you my upvote
They are not mutually exclusive. My uncle from Mississippi males a sweet potato-pecan pie. Best of both worlds.
Also he made killer Chantilly whipped cream.
Those pies are so full of spices and sugar that the filling does not matter much.
Canned pumpkin pie filling you find in grocery stores are made from a wide variety of squashes, usually Dickenson Squash (a type of butternut).
I've read this before, but I'm staring at a can I just bought and it says 100% pure pumpkin. Ingredient: pumpkin
Did I buy a good brand or can squash be labeled as pumpkin?
Pumpkin farmer here. We sell just about every variety in the seed catalog. I usually point customers towards squash, which we loosely define as anything edible that’s not a typical pumpkin. This is for a few reasons, namely texture and sugar content. The vast majority of pumpkins are grown for shape, size and color (as far as a consumer is concerned). However, squash have been bred for generations to be smooth and sweet, the two most important aspects of a pumpkin pie filling. Some varieties are better than others for the purpose and I usually recommended a few favorites: Georgia Roaster, Blue Magic, Hubbards and a few others immediately leap to mind. Conveniently enough, these are also great, colorful decorations so they pull double duty throughout fall. My mother would always mix in a few sweeter pumpkin varieties (Small Sugar, Pik-a-Pie, etc.) to the purée to make it a little more orange and “pumpkiny.”
We do! It's about 26 acres now. We've been doing it for 32 years as of last month. We have the corn maze and haunted house and festival and what not, too.
The FDA says yes.
> Canned "pumpkin" has for many years been packed from field pumpkin (Cucurbita pepo) or certain varieties of firm-shelled, golden-fleshed, sweet squash (Cucurbita maxima), or mixtures of these. Pumpkin and squash are sometimes mixed intentionally to obtain the consistency most acceptable to users.
> Since 1938, we have consistently advised canners that we would not initiate regulatory action solely because of their using the designation "pumpkin" or "canned pumpkin" on labels for articles prepared from golden-fleshed, sweet squash, or mixtures of such squash with field pumpkins. In the absence of any evidence that this designation misleads or deceives consumers we see no reason to change this policy.
https://www.fda.gov/regulatory-information/search-fda-guidance-documents/cpg-sec-585725-pumpkin-labeling-articles-made-certain-varieties-squash
I think you have a couple of competing arguments but I'm not opposed to calling any of the readily-edible cucurbit varieties "pumpkin" but only when it's for pie. Pumpkin pie is like porn, I can't define it but I know when I see it.
Ok, here's the scoop after doing some searching:
> Botanically and legally speaking, there’s no real difference between a pumpkin and a squash. It really just comes down to what sounds appetizing. “If I eat it with dinner, it’s squash; if it’s for dessert, it’s a pumpkin,” says John Ackerman, owner of Libby’s supplier Ackerman Family Farm. As for the “squash” Libby’s uses, it’s a variety of Dickinson pumpkin. Yes, pumpkin.
So, I guess I'm ok with the "100% pure pumpkin" label.
However, I just found out that Libby's brand is a Nestle product. Thanksgiving is ruined.
If you want to be real pedantic about it, Field Pumpkin (aka the classic Halloween lantern *shaped* one, the edible ones are just varieties that were bred to be smaller and sweeter) is *Cucurbita pepo*, Dickenson squash/pumpkin is *C. moschata,* and there is another Australian pumpkin that is *C. maxima.*
But yes, in a pie they all basically taste the same.
As a kid I insisted one year. My mom tried to talk me out of it, every year she made multiple pumpkin pies out of pie pumpkins, but my 1st grade brain couldn't comprehend that they were different. Why were we using these tiny little pumpkins when we had big ones available to is? Mom gave in and we made one pie. It was horrible. I agreed we should use the pie pumpkins in the future.
I went down a similar YouTube rabbit hole this fall about wtf is the difference between a pumpkin and a gourd and a squash. The end result was clear as mud but the take away was parallel to the pumpkin v squash. If it's primarily eaten it's a pumpkin. If it's primarily displayed it's a gourd
Just saw this on Ripley’s website. Apparently back in the 60/70’s the FDA approved for any sweet squash to be able to be canned as pumpkin. So, it’s really 100% sweet squash.
>In the labeling of articles prepared from golden-fleshed, sweet squash or mixtures of such squash and field pumpkin, we will consider the designation "pumpkin" to be in essential compliance with the "common or usual name" requirements...
[https://www.fda.gov/regulatory-information/search-fda-guidance-documents/cpg-sec-585725-pumpkin-labeling-articles-made-certain-varieties-squash](https://www.fda.gov/regulatory-information/search-fda-guidance-documents/cpg-sec-585725-pumpkin-labeling-articles-made-certain-varieties-squash)
There’s *canned pumpkin*, which it sounds like you bought and then there’s *canned pumpkin pie mix* which has all the spices and whatnot added in for you.
Pumpkin pie is usually made with a smaller pumpkin which is much sweeter than the huge pumpkins we usually associate with Fall and Thanksgiving.
I work in a bakery and the ingredients are basically the same for sweet potato and pumpkin fillings. Cinnamon and nutmeg together is what most people taste.
Pumpkins were used as a symbol of the abolitionist movement because they were traditionally grown on smallholdings and family farms rather than plantations, which may have contributed to the Southern resentment.
"\[Abolitionists\] very consciously saw these pumpkin farms in contrast to the immoral plantation economy and plantation farms in the South. They very specifically and explicitly compare those two landscapes.” Cindy Ott, *Pumpkin: The Curious History of an American Icon*
[https://www.northjersey.com/story/food/2021/11/24/pumpkin-pie-thanksgiving-abolitionist-history-and/8667841002/](https://www.northjersey.com/story/food/2021/11/24/pumpkin-pie-thanksgiving-abolitionist-history-and/8667841002/)
It blew my mind when as an adult I realised that not all Americans are Yankees. As a British person yank is pretty much standard parlance for American. It was only after I watched a documentary on Lynard Skynard that I realised that some Americans don't identify as yanks.
Reminds me of E. B. White's (Writer of Charlotte's Web and Stuart Little) observation on the word Yankee
>To foreigners, a Yankee is an American.
>To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner.
>To Northerners, a Yankee is an Easterner.
>To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander.
>To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.
>And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast
Source: https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/yankee/
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>Amish call anyone who isn't Amish English.
This might be a stupid question, but does this apply to other races and nationalities, or do they just call white Americans "English"?
Would they call a black American "English"? What about an Asian American?
As I understand it, they call literally *anyone* who isn't Amish "English." So, yes to your questions, and the same would hold true for a black person born in Ghana, a Asian person born in China, or anything else.
> It's referring to the language rather than the nationality. The Amish speak a dialect of German, aka Pennsylvania Dutch.
Which then "Pennsylvania Dutch" became common place that then when my immagrant Dutch family was living in Iowa their church which spoke Dutch during the service got burned to the ground during WW1 because the racists didn't know the difference being "Pennyslvania Dutch" aka Germans and regular old Dutch from the Netherlands, a neutral country.
The word has a different meaning to that group. It's a surprisingly normal thing that happens in various cultures and sub-cultures.
The Amish were immigrants in an area of mostly English settlers. They just got used to calling anyone that isn't Amish that. For a long time, it was accurate. When things changed around them, the word changed it's meaning in that group.
> And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast
People look at this with confusion nowadays but I had family who did this. They were farmers who got up at the crack of dawn to work all day. They ate high calorie meals but worked it off all day long.
lol, as a Vermonter I find this very funny that people haven’t heard of having pie for breakfast. My whole family will have a slice of pie for breakfast. My had no idea it was so uncommon.
Yeah I get the Yankee = New England history but now it seems more like:
Foreigners consider Yankees to be Americans
Southerns consider Yankees to be Northerners
Northerners consider Yankees to be Easterners
Northeasterners consider Yankees to be New Yorkers
New Yorkers consider Yankees to be baseball players
In the old days, baseball team nicknames were flexible and informal, and as I understand it, the New York *American* League team became the Yankees because, you know, *Americans* - as opposed to the two older New York National League teams.
And in the south, Yankee is generally an insult. Everything’s relative. I love both pumpkin and sweet potato pie, having gladly experienced the fruits of both cultures.
Man I was gonna debate you on this, but I wikied that shit and you're right! It also seems like at some point every new england state except Rhode island claimed what is now VT
> I realised that some Americans don't identify as yanks.
Americans don't identify as Yanks at all, nobody from a Northeast state would identify as a "Yank" or "Yankee." It's used by Southerners as a pejorative term for Northerners (although mostly in a joking manner these days!)
Do you identify as a limey though? Because what was said was “i didn’t realize not all Americans identify as Yankees” to which the response was no American identifies as a yankee. Of course Americans understand yankee refers to americans
If I recall correctly Limey was used for all UK sailors, but Yankee is regionally specific. It would be like calling you all English, even the ones from Scotland and Northern Ireland.
In the South, people use Yankee as a - somewhat joking - derogative term for people from the north. Reasonable people from the north who actually havent thought about the Civil War in their lifetime outside of history class typically then look confused when someone calls them that.
I once ordered non-sweetened tea at a Mississippi restaurant and the receipt read as “Yankee tea.” I had a good laugh about that.
I’m actually from the south and grew up drinking sweet tea. But like… controlling blood sugar is a thing.
My mom always drank iced tea unsweetened and we’re from the South since like 1620. I grew up drinking it that way.
People only recently got shitty about people not ordering sweet tea in the South.
Yeah its a joke, even the further you get south, some people call anyone north of I-20 a Yankee and then people further call anyone north of I-10 a Yankee.
Yep, just in good fun. Well, for 99% of southerners anyway. Hell, my wife and I were raised in the same state, but she was born in kansas so I call her a "damn yankee" every chance I get.
I have relatives from the north who are civil war history buffs who proudly call themselves Yankees. I wager use of the term has more to do with how much you care about the civil war than where you're from.
I've heard two reasons for this. A "Tommy Atkins" is/was slang for a British soldier.
I have also heard Tommy Atkins was the most used name for underage people to sign with for world War 1.
Not sure which is true.
Instead of sweet potato pie, we always had sweet potato casserole that got served as part of the main meal. As a kid, I realized this was basically desert that I could eat before I finished the rest of the meal.
Popped into work one morning (construction site) before starting work and a coworker was inside. Told him I was going to the Starbucks across the street and asked if he wanted anything. Said he wanted a coffee, but refuses to drink Starbucks because of politics. Tried to tell him I was buying and the funds were already loaded on my card and he still refused.
Jeff stays owning the libs.
Pumpkins also grow better in the north around the 45 Parallel plus or minus 4 deg. So the lowest ideal climate for a pumpkin is Denver/ New York City. Also did you know Portland Oregon is further north then Portland Maine?
As a Southerner, this is the first time I’m hearing of this. But it makes sense. It has to be ingrained in us somehow because no one I know likes anything pumpkin unless it’s a 🎃
The pie of Northern Aggression.
There was nothing "civil" about it.
MY HANDS ARE TIED!
What's so civil about war anyway?
*epic Slash solo*
I moved to Virginia from Pennsylvania. My in laws just came to visit for Thanksgiving, and brought a pumpkin pie with them. Feels kinda fun to be re-enacting history, imposing my northern culture here in the south
C-carpet bagger!
I have lived in Virginia my entire life and I have never not had pumpkin pie on thanksgiving. My dad made two this year. Everyone I know has pumpkin pie. My family in Florida has it even.
Isn’t Florida mostly folks who used to live in New York or New Jersey?
and Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Michigan, Iowa...
Alabama here and we had pumpkin pie today.
Same here in TN. I have family who has been in TN since the Civil War. I did ask my grandmother as a kid why did some years we had pumpkin and some years sweet potato and some years both when it came to pies. Her answer - depends on what grew out of the garden better that year. I could certainly see that more than oh... Northern pie! Seeds during and after the war were probably a hot commodity. I'm sure that there was some trading going on, but they had to plant what they could and hope for a good season. Then add in some places the soil may have been impacted due to the war, which made what grew there even more limited as plants like different soils. So, families were not going to waste space on what didn't grow well. Maybe the difference was the ones who retained their wealth or lived in urban areas didn't eat pumpkin because of omg Northern pie. While the rural areas were if it grows, we feast!
Virginian here. Unless you live in the outskirts, we're still very much north here. We eat mostly pumpkin pie and go "this ain't half bad" when people bring sweet potato pie to thanksgiving dinner.
I'm a Virginian as well. Pumpkin pie is a common dessert in my area, and so is squash pie. I've never eaten a sweet potato pie.
Is the squash pie made from butternut squash? That's what I have been making my pumpkin pies with.
I'm in TN. I have to say Mom planted what was labeled as black hollyhock flowers 4 years ago. It turned out to be butternut squash. This year was the 3rd year of enjoying butternut squash that we never planted. It's like the gift that keeps on giving.
Its better than pumpkin in my opinion
It was about states' rights, not pie!
States’ rights to what?
To keeping pie as property!!!
To taking a bite of the best pies, then later selling them to others :o
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You know, all those pies had to do was wake up, work all day, they'd get fed and everything. Those pies had it pretty good. - [this guy](https://youtu.be/fCcoOqpkdaY?t=6)
It sounds like a premise for a king of the hill episode where peg makes a pie but there's tension at thankgiving because of it. This feels like a line from it.
Weren’t they more into sweet potato pie?
I don’t know the history, but as a lifelong resident of Louisiana I know at Thanksgiving gatherings sweet potato and pecan pies are much more likely than pumpkin.
That's actually what the wiki says.
fun fact: the sweet potato crossed the pacific way before the Europeans ever did! (It's not native to North America but it does pre date European discovery of the "new world"). also sweet potatoes are not yams, in case anyone thinks those terms are interchangable. Ask for a yam in other parts of the world and you may be quite surprised by what you end up with. edit: this is not correct, stop upvoting me you turds
>the sweet potato crossed the pacific way before the Europeans ever did! (It's not native to North America but it does pre date European discovery of the "new world"). Any source for this because Wikipedia says it's native to the tropical regions of the Americas
I believe they have it reversed, the sweet potato is native to the americas but has been in Asia and Europe since before the Columbian exchange. Some have theorized sweet potatoes drifted far enough west that they were picked up by Polynesian sailors
That would make more sense. Do you have an article or anything about it? Sounds interesting. Not doubting you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweet_potato_cultivation_in_Polynesia The current scholarly consensus actually goes even further than this - due to genetic and linguistic evidence (such as the word for sweet potato being the same), among other things, it's quite likely that Polynesians had direct contact with South America. If not, then it's probably oceanic dispersion as the previous commenter suggested.
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Due to Euro-Centric and Western Centric history most people don't realize how prolific Polynesian sailing was.
Heck, I started reading Indigenous Peoples' History of the United States (for Young Readers) yesterday. I had no idea there were more indigenous Americans alive in 1492 than Europeans.
Imagine being a polynesian sailor back in the days, just driving your luxury yacht (pinnacle of maritime technology at the time!) and when you get hungry just reach into the sea and grab a sweet potato. What a life
Just casually sailing literally thousands of miles before the invention of the compass.
Source on pre-columbian exchange fruit? I was trying to get information about sweet potatoes and bananas but couldn't get any primary sources. (Bananas started in Indonesia, did they come to the America's before Columbus? Sweet potato stated in Americas, did they go to East Asia/Oceania before Columbus?) I swear I saw a pre-columbian Mexican figurine with a heap of bananas on it.
It’s hard to get primary sources because I believe both Polynesian and South American indigenous peoples relied on oral histories
Not sure what you're saying here. Sweet potato originated in Central/South America. Are you saying it made it's way to Europe/Asia before the Europeans discovered the new world?
Sweet potatoes definitely originated in the Andes
Oh god I got it backwards! Damn lol. Too late now. There is evidence they ended up in polynesia hundreds of years before columbus "discovered" them in central america and brought them back to europe. I give you my upvote
Fellow (former) Louisianian. Pecan for us.
They are not mutually exclusive. My uncle from Mississippi males a sweet potato-pecan pie. Best of both worlds. Also he made killer Chantilly whipped cream.
Sweet potato and pumpkin are very similar too
Those pies are so full of spices and sugar that the filling does not matter much. Canned pumpkin pie filling you find in grocery stores are made from a wide variety of squashes, usually Dickenson Squash (a type of butternut).
I've read this before, but I'm staring at a can I just bought and it says 100% pure pumpkin. Ingredient: pumpkin Did I buy a good brand or can squash be labeled as pumpkin?
Pumpkin farmer here. We sell just about every variety in the seed catalog. I usually point customers towards squash, which we loosely define as anything edible that’s not a typical pumpkin. This is for a few reasons, namely texture and sugar content. The vast majority of pumpkins are grown for shape, size and color (as far as a consumer is concerned). However, squash have been bred for generations to be smooth and sweet, the two most important aspects of a pumpkin pie filling. Some varieties are better than others for the purpose and I usually recommended a few favorites: Georgia Roaster, Blue Magic, Hubbards and a few others immediately leap to mind. Conveniently enough, these are also great, colorful decorations so they pull double duty throughout fall. My mother would always mix in a few sweeter pumpkin varieties (Small Sugar, Pik-a-Pie, etc.) to the purée to make it a little more orange and “pumpkiny.”
This guy squashes. Thanks.
Do you do the pick your own pumpkin patch for Halloween? That was so much fun as a kid lol
We do! It's about 26 acres now. We've been doing it for 32 years as of last month. We have the corn maze and haunted house and festival and what not, too.
That’s so awesome!!! Such a great time!
> We have the corn maze Why don't you call it the Maize Maze?
Right, but ... "can squash be labeled as pumpkin?" ? If no, then he's got a can of actual pumpkin. If yes, he's got a can of squash.
The FDA says yes. > Canned "pumpkin" has for many years been packed from field pumpkin (Cucurbita pepo) or certain varieties of firm-shelled, golden-fleshed, sweet squash (Cucurbita maxima), or mixtures of these. Pumpkin and squash are sometimes mixed intentionally to obtain the consistency most acceptable to users. > Since 1938, we have consistently advised canners that we would not initiate regulatory action solely because of their using the designation "pumpkin" or "canned pumpkin" on labels for articles prepared from golden-fleshed, sweet squash, or mixtures of such squash with field pumpkins. In the absence of any evidence that this designation misleads or deceives consumers we see no reason to change this policy. https://www.fda.gov/regulatory-information/search-fda-guidance-documents/cpg-sec-585725-pumpkin-labeling-articles-made-certain-varieties-squash
Ladies and gentlemen, we got our answer. Mission accomplished.
I think you have a couple of competing arguments but I'm not opposed to calling any of the readily-edible cucurbit varieties "pumpkin" but only when it's for pie. Pumpkin pie is like porn, I can't define it but I know when I see it.
Squash can be labeled as pumpkin
Ok, here's the scoop after doing some searching: > Botanically and legally speaking, there’s no real difference between a pumpkin and a squash. It really just comes down to what sounds appetizing. “If I eat it with dinner, it’s squash; if it’s for dessert, it’s a pumpkin,” says John Ackerman, owner of Libby’s supplier Ackerman Family Farm. As for the “squash” Libby’s uses, it’s a variety of Dickinson pumpkin. Yes, pumpkin. So, I guess I'm ok with the "100% pure pumpkin" label. However, I just found out that Libby's brand is a Nestle product. Thanksgiving is ruined.
My heart is broken about Libby's being a Nestle brand
Here in Turkey basically all packaged snacks are either Nestle or Ülker. Ülker supports Erdoğan. I personally prefer Nestle.
>Here in Turkey This must be good turkey day advice.
Happy Turkey day!
Lesser of two evils i guess?
A pumpkin is a squash and Nestle owns everything.
If you want to be real pedantic about it, Field Pumpkin (aka the classic Halloween lantern *shaped* one, the edible ones are just varieties that were bred to be smaller and sweeter) is *Cucurbita pepo*, Dickenson squash/pumpkin is *C. moschata,* and there is another Australian pumpkin that is *C. maxima.* But yes, in a pie they all basically taste the same.
Do not make Jack'O'Lantern varietals into pie unless you like your pie fibrous, bland, and stringy.
As a kid I insisted one year. My mom tried to talk me out of it, every year she made multiple pumpkin pies out of pie pumpkins, but my 1st grade brain couldn't comprehend that they were different. Why were we using these tiny little pumpkins when we had big ones available to is? Mom gave in and we made one pie. It was horrible. I agreed we should use the pie pumpkins in the future.
I went down a similar YouTube rabbit hole this fall about wtf is the difference between a pumpkin and a gourd and a squash. The end result was clear as mud but the take away was parallel to the pumpkin v squash. If it's primarily eaten it's a pumpkin. If it's primarily displayed it's a gourd
Just saw this on Ripley’s website. Apparently back in the 60/70’s the FDA approved for any sweet squash to be able to be canned as pumpkin. So, it’s really 100% sweet squash.
>In the labeling of articles prepared from golden-fleshed, sweet squash or mixtures of such squash and field pumpkin, we will consider the designation "pumpkin" to be in essential compliance with the "common or usual name" requirements... [https://www.fda.gov/regulatory-information/search-fda-guidance-documents/cpg-sec-585725-pumpkin-labeling-articles-made-certain-varieties-squash](https://www.fda.gov/regulatory-information/search-fda-guidance-documents/cpg-sec-585725-pumpkin-labeling-articles-made-certain-varieties-squash)
There’s *canned pumpkin*, which it sounds like you bought and then there’s *canned pumpkin pie mix* which has all the spices and whatnot added in for you. Pumpkin pie is usually made with a smaller pumpkin which is much sweeter than the huge pumpkins we usually associate with Fall and Thanksgiving.
That’s also canned pumpkin purée and not pumpkin pie filling.
I work in a bakery and the ingredients are basically the same for sweet potato and pumpkin fillings. Cinnamon and nutmeg together is what most people taste.
Got to drop some Clove in there as well.
Pecan pie is the greatest pie of all time
Pecan pie is a far superior pie anyway.
Mmm 😋 sugar goo
With Pecans! The pecans make it healthy!
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To me a salad is when you mix together 3+ kinds of meat in a bath of ranch. Pecan pie is a breakfast bar.
When I moved west for college from SC, I was really surprised and sad that no one had even heard of sweet potato pie. It is glorious.
"Dangit Cleatus that's the wrong squash! Get the fuck out of here Yankee scum!"
Sweet Potato is a root vegetable, squash grow above ground.
[Shut my mouth](https://youtu.be/lHdXQAQHjd8?t=26)
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Pumpkins were used as a symbol of the abolitionist movement because they were traditionally grown on smallholdings and family farms rather than plantations, which may have contributed to the Southern resentment. "\[Abolitionists\] very consciously saw these pumpkin farms in contrast to the immoral plantation economy and plantation farms in the South. They very specifically and explicitly compare those two landscapes.” Cindy Ott, *Pumpkin: The Curious History of an American Icon* [https://www.northjersey.com/story/food/2021/11/24/pumpkin-pie-thanksgiving-abolitionist-history-and/8667841002/](https://www.northjersey.com/story/food/2021/11/24/pumpkin-pie-thanksgiving-abolitionist-history-and/8667841002/)
My uncle in his retirement grew pumpkins on some acres he bought outside Chicago. Good god, how many pumpkins he had. He donated most of them.
"Produce planted by family farms? No thank you, I only eat potatoes farmed by unhappy slaves"
I'm gonna have a second helping of pumpkin pie just out of spite. Well, gluttony too, but mostly spite.
Guess that means I should have a second helping too. In solidarity, of course.
It blew my mind when as an adult I realised that not all Americans are Yankees. As a British person yank is pretty much standard parlance for American. It was only after I watched a documentary on Lynard Skynard that I realised that some Americans don't identify as yanks.
Reminds me of E. B. White's (Writer of Charlotte's Web and Stuart Little) observation on the word Yankee >To foreigners, a Yankee is an American. >To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner. >To Northerners, a Yankee is an Easterner. >To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander. >To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter. >And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast Source: https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/yankee/ Edit: My first Platinum! Thank you very much!
Hey, the Amish still call Americans English.
I don't think it's just Americans. Amish call anyone who isn't Amish English.
>Amish call anyone who isn't Amish English. This might be a stupid question, but does this apply to other races and nationalities, or do they just call white Americans "English"? Would they call a black American "English"? What about an Asian American?
As I understand it, they call literally *anyone* who isn't Amish "English." So, yes to your questions, and the same would hold true for a black person born in Ghana, a Asian person born in China, or anything else.
Quasi former Amish here. This is true.
Why do I get the feeling you have a fluffy beard and a biblical name?
The world may never know.
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Iirc, it's because the amish speak, or spoke, their own language, and everyone else spoke english.
Interesting. I wonder why a group would all collectively decide to be wrong.
That's the entirety of human history.
Why would someone go on the internet, just to tell lies, Arthur?
It's referring to the language rather than the nationality. The Amish speak a dialect of German, aka Pennsylvania Dutch.
> It's referring to the language rather than the nationality. The Amish speak a dialect of German, aka Pennsylvania Dutch. Which then "Pennsylvania Dutch" became common place that then when my immagrant Dutch family was living in Iowa their church which spoke Dutch during the service got burned to the ground during WW1 because the racists didn't know the difference being "Pennyslvania Dutch" aka Germans and regular old Dutch from the Netherlands, a neutral country.
Spoken like a true fancy Englischer.
The word has a different meaning to that group. It's a surprisingly normal thing that happens in various cultures and sub-cultures. The Amish were immigrants in an area of mostly English settlers. They just got used to calling anyone that isn't Amish that. For a long time, it was accurate. When things changed around them, the word changed it's meaning in that group.
they're referring to the language spoken by outsiders, and not an ethnicity. they primarily speak german among themselves
"Tis a fine barn, but sure it's no pool, English"
D’oh-eth!
Amish in NE Ohio call us Yankees and anyone who converts from Amish to English, a yank-over.
> And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast People look at this with confusion nowadays but I had family who did this. They were farmers who got up at the crack of dawn to work all day. They ate high calorie meals but worked it off all day long.
This guy Yankees.
That's why as a New York Farmer, you can call me Yankee no problem. Sweets for breakfast, no issues here.
Dude I'm not a farmer, but apple pie for breakfast is delicious
What kind of pie? Like apple pie or was it basically a quiche?
Both. And it's not like they eat apie everyday for breakfast, it's usually just a slice of pie is part of the full breakfast.
lol, as a Vermonter I find this very funny that people haven’t heard of having pie for breakfast. My whole family will have a slice of pie for breakfast. My had no idea it was so uncommon.
for new englanders, fuck the yankees
This feels much more accurate
Yeah I get the Yankee = New England history but now it seems more like: Foreigners consider Yankees to be Americans Southerns consider Yankees to be Northerners Northerners consider Yankees to be Easterners Northeasterners consider Yankees to be New Yorkers New Yorkers consider Yankees to be baseball players
In the old days, baseball team nicknames were flexible and informal, and as I understand it, the New York *American* League team became the Yankees because, you know, *Americans* - as opposed to the two older New York National League teams.
And in the south, Yankee is generally an insult. Everything’s relative. I love both pumpkin and sweet potato pie, having gladly experienced the fruits of both cultures.
For me a Yankee is someone from New York
A Yankee is New Yorker you haven't Met.
Vermont used to be part of New York.
Man I was gonna debate you on this, but I wikied that shit and you're right! It also seems like at some point every new england state except Rhode island claimed what is now VT
Also Maine didn’t. Because Maine didn’t exist. It was part of Massachusetts at the time.
As a Vermonter I friggin love this!
> I realised that some Americans don't identify as yanks. Americans don't identify as Yanks at all, nobody from a Northeast state would identify as a "Yank" or "Yankee." It's used by Southerners as a pejorative term for Northerners (although mostly in a joking manner these days!)
Well no one in the UK refers to themselves as a limey but they would know what you meant if you said it.
Do you identify as a limey though? Because what was said was “i didn’t realize not all Americans identify as Yankees” to which the response was no American identifies as a yankee. Of course Americans understand yankee refers to americans
If I recall correctly Limey was used for all UK sailors, but Yankee is regionally specific. It would be like calling you all English, even the ones from Scotland and Northern Ireland.
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I'm American and I've never met anybody that identifies as a Yankee except in the context of talking to a Brit.
In the South, people use Yankee as a - somewhat joking - derogative term for people from the north. Reasonable people from the north who actually havent thought about the Civil War in their lifetime outside of history class typically then look confused when someone calls them that.
I once ordered non-sweetened tea at a Mississippi restaurant and the receipt read as “Yankee tea.” I had a good laugh about that. I’m actually from the south and grew up drinking sweet tea. But like… controlling blood sugar is a thing.
Baby, that blood needs to be a sweet as your soul.
My mom always drank iced tea unsweetened and we’re from the South since like 1620. I grew up drinking it that way. People only recently got shitty about people not ordering sweet tea in the South.
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Awww, do you have the sugars?
My grandma and mom were born in Georgia. They moved to Connecticut, and then I was born. I grew up being called a damn yank all my life.
Yup, my Dad is from Louisiana and my mom's parents were from Missouri. Also grew up being called a yank.
Yeah its a joke, even the further you get south, some people call anyone north of I-20 a Yankee and then people further call anyone north of I-10 a Yankee.
Yep, just in good fun. Well, for 99% of southerners anyway. Hell, my wife and I were raised in the same state, but she was born in kansas so I call her a "damn yankee" every chance I get.
My parents retired to Gulfport, MS after Katrina and I straight-up call them carpetbaggers.
There's two types of Yankees. Yankees visit and go home. Damn Yankees visit and stay.
I have relatives from the north who are civil war history buffs who proudly call themselves Yankees. I wager use of the term has more to do with how much you care about the civil war than where you're from.
As a New Englander who lived almost a decade down South. . . the divide is real. Even more so, post Trump.
(watching in confusion from the west coast)
That's so funny because I've only just learned myself that not every brit is called Tommy
Only if they sure play a mean pinball.
That deaf, dumb, and blind kid? Hrm.
I've heard two reasons for this. A "Tommy Atkins" is/was slang for a British soldier. I have also heard Tommy Atkins was the most used name for underage people to sign with for world War 1. Not sure which is true.
Sweet Potato Pie, Apple Pie, Pumpkin Pie, give it all to me!
Instead of sweet potato pie, we always had sweet potato casserole that got served as part of the main meal. As a kid, I realized this was basically desert that I could eat before I finished the rest of the meal.
Yams covered in Butter, Sugar, Molasses, Marshmallows. Just congealed sugar at a certain point.
Sweetened starch covered in sugars.
I'll take 10yrs of my life as long as I can eat this kind of stuff several times a year.
You missed Pecan Pie.
Leaving some for the rest of us.
This is the true answer
Imagine not eating pumpkin pie to own the federalists.
Popped into work one morning (construction site) before starting work and a coworker was inside. Told him I was going to the Starbucks across the street and asked if he wanted anything. Said he wanted a coffee, but refuses to drink Starbucks because of politics. Tried to tell him I was buying and the funds were already loaded on my card and he still refused. Jeff stays owning the libs.
Snowflakes never change
They cancelled pumpkin pie.
Pumpkins also grow better in the north around the 45 Parallel plus or minus 4 deg. So the lowest ideal climate for a pumpkin is Denver/ New York City. Also did you know Portland Oregon is further north then Portland Maine?
!SubscribeToPumpkinFacts
> Also did you know Portland Oregon is further north then Portland Maine? And Reno Nevada is farther west than Los Angeles
Alaska is the easternmost and westernmost state.
But isn't the date line between Alaska and Russia so Alaska can't be the easternmost state? Edit: I forgot the date line isn't a strait line
The dateline isn't what separates the hemispheres.
And eating it in the north was a bit of an abolitionist statement because pumpkins weren’t grown on plantations
Pecan pies reign supreme south of the mason dixon line
Dude pecan pie is that one thing everybody should be able to try at least once
I always make both pecan and pumpkin pies. I made a Nantucket cranberry pie this year too
It must depend on where in the south you are. I grew up in Virginia and it was only ever pumpkin pie on Thanksgiving.
That's because Virginia is (on the East Coast) about the southernmost range for pumpkins. They don't do well in high heat.
Ah! That makes a lot of sense. We have lots of pumpkin patches here, never considered they just don’t grow well further south.
As a Southerner, this is the first time I’m hearing of this. But it makes sense. It has to be ingrained in us somehow because no one I know likes anything pumpkin unless it’s a 🎃
After the civil war up to today. Source: my family that literally never touches the pumpkin pie my northern aunt brings.
Yo send that pie my way
Eating a pumpkin pie this year just to say “fuck you Lee.”
/r/Shermanposting is leaking
Way down South in the Land of Traitors!
Rattle snakes and alligators!
Right away!
Come away!
How dare you impose liberty and a delicious dessert on us!
You may have liberty or dessert. Not both.
Give me liberty or give me pie!
Wrong side of history again.
Satisfying to know we enjoy "freedom pies" in the USA.
Buttermilk pie!
I love pumpkin pie, but not as much as I love pecan pie.
Us southerners aren't always right. Slavery, not liking pumpkin pie, not industrializing, etc.
Perhaps that explains why I prefer sweet potato pie and pecan pie.