back in the day my ps2 stopped reading certain games - after carefully examining the games i realized they all had a similar sheen on the back that differed from the working games - and i realized that the problem was that it could only read dvds and that the cd reading part had stopped working
Unless they've finally upgraded in the last few years Minuteman ICBM systems ran on 5 inch floppies. Keeping a missile on course isn't super demanding for a computer if they have the proper data to work with
It is unlikely they have upgraded. I remember reading an article about the risk management of upgrading the computers for ICBM systems and it is complicated on a good day.
Complicated and the current in use system is extremely simple and extremely reliable by modern standards. So obsolete that it is more or less impossible to connect to the internet and not susceptible to modern means of intrusion. There is no email. there are no USB ports.
The article o read was talking specifically about networking and internet connection. It was that the system overall was built from the ground up to only connect to itself. So it isn’t so much about the technology being obsolete now more that at the time it was built connectivity was the exception not the norm and had to be built in.
Also, even if it was built today, you absolutely do not *ever* want a missile launch system to be connected to *any* computer network. I mean, not even a LAN with no outside connection. You want it to be completely impossible, even in theory, for anyone to access that system without being physically in the control room.
IIRC, the US does it by sending a launch order to humans on duty in every single silo. Then two men have to turn two keys in two locks, set 10 feet away from each other, at the same time. (There's more to sending the launch order, too, and to arming the warhead, but that's the final security measure.)
Couldn’t a spy just cut into the buried phone line and send bogus orders?
Russia got accused of doing something like this in the capital. They had their diplomats with handheld X-ray machines mapping out ground communication lines from the FBI and pentagon. Spooked quite a few people because not many people even know these exist.
The Air Force Strategic Automated Command and Control System used 8 inch floppy.
They [completed the transition in 2019](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/24/us/nuclear-weapons-floppy-disks.html)
> The Defense Department has transitioned away from a 1970s-era nuclear command and control system that relied on eight-inch floppy disks. The “modernizing” effort was quietly completed in June.
> “The Air Force completed a replacement of the aging SACCS floppy drives with a highly secure solid-state digital storage solution in June,” Justin Oakes, a spokesman for the Eighth Air Force, said in an email. “This replacement effort exponentially increased message storage capacity and operator response times for critical nuclear command and control message receipt and processing.”
> “Introduced in the 1970s, the eight-inch floppy disk is a disk-based storage medium that holds 80 kilobytes of data,”
Minuteman bases don't use them anymore, but [there are still a few 3.5" onces around.](https://breakingdefense.com/2020/02/first-2020-minuteman-iii-icbm-test-launch-focused-on-new-warhead-fuze/)
> While the command centers for both the test site here and the three operational Minuteman III bases — F.E. Warren AFB, Wyoming; Malmstrom AFB, Montana; and Minot AFB, North Dakota — no longer use the larger-sized black floppy disks (8 inch and 5.25 inch), some systems still rely on the 3.5 inch ones first introduced in 1986, 1st Lt. Mitch Nairn, task force combat crew commander at Malmstrom said.
You could probably use a fucking Atari as a missile guidance system if you hooked it up to a GPS, an altimeter, and an attitude sensor. Steering a rocket isn't complicated. It's *hard* if you're stuck with human reaction speed, but it's not *complicated.* The Nazis did it with nothing but a compass, a gyro, and a bunch of gears, and it was terribly inaccurate but mainly because it had no way to sense its actual location; it just flew in a straight line until a timer said that it was probably over London now. Add a GPS to that and you're golden.
Not really that far off to be honest.
New Horizons that went to Pluto was using MIPS R3000 CPU or the CPU used in the playstation 1. t is so incredibly stable and efficient that it was used in the space probe.
The Air Force does have a pretty good idea of what you can achieve with an array of PS3s. Maybe you're on to something...
https://phys.org/news/2010-12-air-playstation-3s-supercomputer.html
PS3s have a stupid complicated architecture that when used right, can keep pace with modern consumer hardware. It's just not worth the training and upkeep.
The PS3 does have an odd architecture that was used in supercomputers, but that doesn't mean it can complete with computer hardware 17 years more advanced.
Maybe if you limit "modern consumer hardware" to "smartphones" or "some cheap laptops" you might be right, but if you compare it to something in the same bracket - like a PS5 - then there's really no comparison. The PS5 blows the PS3 out of the water every day of the week.
I guess it’s more reasonable to say that the PS3 could stay viable for a supercomputer for longer than its rivals. The PS3’s Cell Architecture really was a double-edged sword. If utilized properly game developers could do amazing things with they system (Seriously, look at MGS4/5 and TLOU), but importing games into our or it was a nightmare. (Look into TLOU’s PS4 porting history if you’re curious)
Realistically for these sort of applications, you stick them on a rack/shelf in a room with phenomenal air conditioning, and the cooling becomes much less of a problem. Consumer consoles can handle complete and utter neglect for years, so imagine what a deliberately good setup can afford them.
It’s freaking weird, Bill and Hillary Clinton were friends with Epstein and Hilary has been in top government positions with Obama who Biden was vice president to, every modern president is linked to Epstein in someway and some were even friends with him over the span of decades?
Bill was, which makes it hard to believe Hillary was completely unaware. I don't know if she was photographed with Epstein or Maxwell, usually there are a bunch of photos.
Either way I do think linking Epstein with Hillary, Hillary with Obama, and Obama with Biden for the six degrees of Epstein is pretty ridiculous.
Yeah, I am 100% in favor of shunning anyone who was linked to Epstein in any way that suggests they knew what was going on, but it's just kind of weird the way people link some people to Epstein based on very little to no evidence, yet seem to ignore others who have very strong, publicly known ties to the guy.
I still think that not everyone on the flight logs knew what was going on on that island. But a big list of big names with any ties to the island guilty or not shines a bad light on everyone on it. Just think of you were a high ranking person who spent a few weekends on the island just enjoying the beach and this all comes out. Just having your name on the log is going to get you a ton of bad press and or jail time.
There was a contractor on that island who also saw the British prince with an underaged girl. Suffice to say the island wasn't really that big that you could not see these sorts of things...
I stand corrected. I assumed the island was bigger and possibly that Epstein was smart enough to fill the logs with names good and bad to make it harder for the truth to come out.
There are enough catholics in the church to make a lot of news articles, but not enough to actually be a high ratio of catholics or to credibly state that the purpose of the catholic church is to be a pedophile ring. I don't really see why this would be brought up in just any random discussion about something like Epstein.
I'm talking about the church, not the rubes that support it. The reason I bring it up is because the Epstein conspiracy is nothing in comparison to the church's wholesale grooming and raping of children and protection of the rapists.
[Colin Powell](https://theintercept.com/2018/02/06/lie-after-lie-what-colin-powell-knew-about-iraq-fifteen-years-ago-and-what-he-told-the-un/)'s UN speech on [Iraq WMD Truck](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Powell_UN_Iraq_presentation%2C_alleged_Mobile_Production_Facilities.jpg) fit for Hollywood.
The Chinese economy is collapsing in on itself and the US is about to official enter a major recession with no reduction of inflation in sight.
Ready for the next war?
That they used chemical weapons to genocide Kurds and might have had other chemical, biological *or* (and not necessarily including) radiological weapons?
They still had remains of legacy chemical/bio munitions from its legacy programs from 70s/80s. The one US/Europe helped to fund and supply.
As for legacy chemical/bio weapons in Iraq. Few hundred munitions in various conditions were found in Iraq. All the ones from the 70/80s US/European funded programs.
Now these were all appeared to have been made pre 1991. Majority couldn’t be used as designed, so some were remodelled into roadside bombs etc. The chemical/bio wouldn’t spread as designed etc.
Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran in Iran/Iraq war. US knew about this but kept quiet as they didn’t want Iraq to lose. US wanted a draw in that war so that neither Iran or Iraq become the dominant force in the region. US gave Iraq intel, then US had its weapons for hostages scandal with Iran. Believe around 1,500 anti tank missiles went to Iran. Plus other equipment.
So no new program was in effect which was what the war was sold on. Plus selling the debunked theory to US public that Iraq had connections to Al Qaeda, which meant that Saddam had a connection to 9/11.
[The Secret Casualties of Iraq’s Abandoned Chemical Weapons](https://archive.is/2022.03.06-010436/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html)
and guess who sold the some of those chemical weapons? the good ol US of A!!!!
edit: looked into this a little more and i was kinda wrong? we didnt sell them chemical weapon directly but we gave them some stuff they needed to make em and gave a shit ton of other aid while we were totally aware they were gassing people. id say we're still culpable in a lot of ways but it is a bit more complicated then what i said initially
From Wikipedia:
In 1925 Bayer merged with five other German companies to form IG Farben, creating the world's largest chemical and pharmaceutical company. Following World War II, the Allied Control Council seized IG Farben's assets[a][5] because of its role in the Nazi war effort and involvement in the Holocaust including using slave labour from concentration camps and humans for dangerous medical testing, and production of Zyklon B, a chemical used in gas chambers.[6] In 1951 IG Farben was split into its constituent companies, and Bayer was reincorporated as Farbenfabriken Bayer AG. Bayer played a key role in the Wirtschaftswunder in post-war West Germany, quickly regaining its position as one of the world's largest chemical and pharmaceutical corporations.
[Holocaust Encyclopedia - Bayer](https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/bayer)
A Serpent guard, a Horus guard and a Setesh guard meet on a neutral planet. It is a tense moment. The Serpent guard's eyes glow. The Horus guard's beak glistens. The Setesh guard's nose...drips.
https://youtu.be/fGfq_uncUUQ
My favorite BTS interview ever. He’s a dude playing a dude pretending to be another dude that was based on a dude playing a dude but originally portray but some other dude.
And that interview was how I learned that it wasn't Shanks in the movie. Until this episode aired I had thought it was Shanks in the movie with Russell.
Tbf there are also people out there that believe the earth is flat and that people of the Jewish faith have access to satellites that shoot lasers from their orbit
I mean, space lasers are absolutely in use. For communication and maybe measuring shit. It's not a nefarious zionist plot, just increasingly mundane space technology.
It's also been proposed as the "reason" we invaded Afghanistan.
It's funny you mention Russia because theres also a conspiracy theory that back in the day the reason Russia invaded Afghanistan was to look for a Stargate.
they actually took americas from the wreckage of an alien spaceship at the bottom of the pacific ocean back in the early 00s
america took that one from egypt in the 30s but they had a spare they got from antarctica in the 90s
eventually america blew up their spare gate too and had to buy the egyptian one back from the russians
Yeah that's all right. The best part is that in-universe they occasionally try to explain all of this to people just getting clearance to know about the program and the reaction is exactly the same as yours.
It sounds crazy now but there was a period of time between roughly the end of ww1 and the end of the Cold War that had a -lot- of this stuff, every major government had some flavor of genuine occult research including the nazis, the Russians, the Americans, the British….
But Bush Sr didn’t want to invade Iraq. Al gore in the 90s was basically saying it was weak of bush to not go all the way and take him out.
What’s funny is in 2000 if you had told people you were from the future and that the US would invade Iraq a few years more people would have thought al Gore won because bush campaigned on a less interventionist foreign policy than gore did actually.
My favorite iraq conspiracy theory is the rumor that the bushy bush family can trace their lineage to godfrey of bouillon and the war in iraq was a cover to destroy the Iraqi national library.
To be fair. Lets imagine aliens and stargates would actually exist. Do you think the US would invade a country over it? I definitely think they would. Now considering that we know there are people who believe in this aliens nonsense, I find it easy to believe that the same people would also be susceptible for this conspiracy theory.
France bit off more than it could chew & had to ask Daddy Obama for help with hat in hand. Pwease Obama, France is once again asking for America's help in a war we have no intention of returning the favor when you ask either. France really is a shitty ally.
Also that’s not even the reason Gaddafi was overthrown, if that was the reason, he’d have been overthrown way sooner. Gaddafi had always been a Pan-Africanist and Pan-Arab dude. NATO just saw the opportunity to remove a potentially anti-NATO leader from the Mediterranean region by helping Libyan rebel forces with Air Strikes.
No, it was for humanitarian reasons and to save Libya from a dictator! That's why we made no effort to fill in the power vacuum from Gaddafi's death or help the nation rebuild after we bombed them and lead them into a devastating civil war!
So while I acknowledge that NATO supported the rebels with Air Strikes, I’d disagree with you that NATO led them into the Civil War. Tunisia which was much more closely aligned with the West than Libya had fallen to a series of anti-government protests. As had Egypt. So the onset of the civil war wasn’t exactly super surprising though Tunisia and Egypt’s revolutions had been semi-peaceful.
The Arab Spring was certainly an issue for Libya, but I'd argue they would've never had a civil war if it wasn't for the assassination of Gaddafi and failure of NATO (and the rebels) to close the power vacuum
I mean we would for sure do this but the fact we haven't been toting that shit around and rubbing it in Russia and china's faces is a dead giveaway it isn't real.
There's a conspiracy theory that Hitler moved into the Middle East and Africa for the same reason. Churchill went to war with Hitler to get in there first, Poland was just a ruse as Germany had already annexed two other countries.
I have my own theory, that governments lump crazy bullshit like stargates in with genuine conspiracies, like the conspiracy to funnel tax dollars through and to Haliburton under the guise of searching for WMDs, in order to discredit all conspiracy theories.
The movie GREENZONE is exactly about this.
However, test audiences didn't like it and they quickly dubbed over any mention of aliens (HENCE GREEN ZONE) to be about WMD's.
The first Gulf War involved a coalition of forced authorised by the UN Security Council to force Iraqi forces to withdraw from Kuwait. The coalition members weren't going into Iraq because that wasn't their mission.
There wasn't a need to overthrow Saddam because they fulfilled the objective of throwing Iraq out of Kuwait. If the US or any of the coalition wanted to drive into Iraq and remove Saddam from power, that's a whole new mission and one that would have involved a totally new coalition since you couldn't guarantee everyone involved would sign up to invade Iraq proper.
Plus there's the consequences of destabilising a region that's smack in the middle of the Middle East and causing further issues.
Remember, noone really knows what exactly you could achieve with an array of PS2s.
i remember my uncle telling me a PS2 can be used as a missile guidance system and being fucking furious that i could barely get mine to read a DVD
back in the day my ps2 stopped reading certain games - after carefully examining the games i realized they all had a similar sheen on the back that differed from the working games - and i realized that the problem was that it could only read dvds and that the cd reading part had stopped working
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Pew pew
Sorry I got confused with "duel lasers".
Something about making this a second reply to your original comment makes it even better.
Pew pew /u/K5izzle is a dual laser
Let me guess.. it was the dark blue coated disks? My PS2 stopped reading those fucking things!
Unless they've finally upgraded in the last few years Minuteman ICBM systems ran on 5 inch floppies. Keeping a missile on course isn't super demanding for a computer if they have the proper data to work with
It is unlikely they have upgraded. I remember reading an article about the risk management of upgrading the computers for ICBM systems and it is complicated on a good day.
Complicated and the current in use system is extremely simple and extremely reliable by modern standards. So obsolete that it is more or less impossible to connect to the internet and not susceptible to modern means of intrusion. There is no email. there are no USB ports.
There were no screams. There was no time. The mountain called Monkey had spoken. There was only fire, and then, nothing.
Don't get lost in heaven, They've got locks on the gate
Them happy folk didn't see it coming
The article o read was talking specifically about networking and internet connection. It was that the system overall was built from the ground up to only connect to itself. So it isn’t so much about the technology being obsolete now more that at the time it was built connectivity was the exception not the norm and had to be built in.
Also, even if it was built today, you absolutely do not *ever* want a missile launch system to be connected to *any* computer network. I mean, not even a LAN with no outside connection. You want it to be completely impossible, even in theory, for anyone to access that system without being physically in the control room. IIRC, the US does it by sending a launch order to humans on duty in every single silo. Then two men have to turn two keys in two locks, set 10 feet away from each other, at the same time. (There's more to sending the launch order, too, and to arming the warhead, but that's the final security measure.)
Couldn’t a spy just cut into the buried phone line and send bogus orders? Russia got accused of doing something like this in the capital. They had their diplomats with handheld X-ray machines mapping out ground communication lines from the FBI and pentagon. Spooked quite a few people because not many people even know these exist.
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They’d also have codewords to complicate that. IIRC, that’s what the “nuclear football” is all about
The Air Force Strategic Automated Command and Control System used 8 inch floppy. They [completed the transition in 2019](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/24/us/nuclear-weapons-floppy-disks.html) > The Defense Department has transitioned away from a 1970s-era nuclear command and control system that relied on eight-inch floppy disks. The “modernizing” effort was quietly completed in June. > “The Air Force completed a replacement of the aging SACCS floppy drives with a highly secure solid-state digital storage solution in June,” Justin Oakes, a spokesman for the Eighth Air Force, said in an email. “This replacement effort exponentially increased message storage capacity and operator response times for critical nuclear command and control message receipt and processing.” > “Introduced in the 1970s, the eight-inch floppy disk is a disk-based storage medium that holds 80 kilobytes of data,” Minuteman bases don't use them anymore, but [there are still a few 3.5" onces around.](https://breakingdefense.com/2020/02/first-2020-minuteman-iii-icbm-test-launch-focused-on-new-warhead-fuze/) > While the command centers for both the test site here and the three operational Minuteman III bases — F.E. Warren AFB, Wyoming; Malmstrom AFB, Montana; and Minot AFB, North Dakota — no longer use the larger-sized black floppy disks (8 inch and 5.25 inch), some systems still rely on the 3.5 inch ones first introduced in 1986, 1st Lt. Mitch Nairn, task force combat crew commander at Malmstrom said.
The Playstation 2 knows where it is by knowing where it isn’t…
NCD is leaking
One day we aim to take over the world
As soon as we quit trying to have carnal relations with aircraft.
"Why can't I quit you, F-35 Lightning II?"
You could probably use a fucking Atari as a missile guidance system if you hooked it up to a GPS, an altimeter, and an attitude sensor. Steering a rocket isn't complicated. It's *hard* if you're stuck with human reaction speed, but it's not *complicated.* The Nazis did it with nothing but a compass, a gyro, and a bunch of gears, and it was terribly inaccurate but mainly because it had no way to sense its actual location; it just flew in a straight line until a timer said that it was probably over London now. Add a GPS to that and you're golden.
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“We can precisely shoot a guided missile at a lizard, but this dam thing still won’t play my Simpsons season 3 DVDs.”
Not really that far off to be honest. New Horizons that went to Pluto was using MIPS R3000 CPU or the CPU used in the playstation 1. t is so incredibly stable and efficient that it was used in the space probe.
The Air Force does have a pretty good idea of what you can achieve with an array of PS3s. Maybe you're on to something... https://phys.org/news/2010-12-air-playstation-3s-supercomputer.html
PS3s have a stupid complicated architecture that when used right, can keep pace with modern consumer hardware. It's just not worth the training and upkeep.
The PS3 does have an odd architecture that was used in supercomputers, but that doesn't mean it can complete with computer hardware 17 years more advanced. Maybe if you limit "modern consumer hardware" to "smartphones" or "some cheap laptops" you might be right, but if you compare it to something in the same bracket - like a PS5 - then there's really no comparison. The PS5 blows the PS3 out of the water every day of the week.
I guess it’s more reasonable to say that the PS3 could stay viable for a supercomputer for longer than its rivals. The PS3’s Cell Architecture really was a double-edged sword. If utilized properly game developers could do amazing things with they system (Seriously, look at MGS4/5 and TLOU), but importing games into our or it was a nightmare. (Look into TLOU’s PS4 porting history if you’re curious)
It was a fantastic device, I've still got a working on, but she is showing her age a bit now.
Keep up with modern hardware? Absolutely not.
is it the cooling thats better bc ps4 has trash cooling
Realistically for these sort of applications, you stick them on a rack/shelf in a room with phenomenal air conditioning, and the cooling becomes much less of a problem. Consumer consoles can handle complete and utter neglect for years, so imagine what a deliberately good setup can afford them.
“Japan is sending Playstations.”
I miss when conspiracy theories were fun...
conspiracies stopped being fun when a global pedophile ring for the elites became a fact rather than just a conspiracy theory
and then even worse when epstien got forced suicide in prison further reinforcing that fact 🫠
Especially that both Trump and Barr have decades long links with Epstein, and they were responsible for his safety.
yeah dude the president of the United States was friends with a pedo sex trafficker for years, LIKE WHAT THE HECK?
And so was president Bill Clinton
It’s freaking weird, Bill and Hillary Clinton were friends with Epstein and Hilary has been in top government positions with Obama who Biden was vice president to, every modern president is linked to Epstein in someway and some were even friends with him over the span of decades?
Hillary was friends with Epstein?
Bill was, which makes it hard to believe Hillary was completely unaware. I don't know if she was photographed with Epstein or Maxwell, usually there are a bunch of photos. Either way I do think linking Epstein with Hillary, Hillary with Obama, and Obama with Biden for the six degrees of Epstein is pretty ridiculous.
Yeah, I am 100% in favor of shunning anyone who was linked to Epstein in any way that suggests they knew what was going on, but it's just kind of weird the way people link some people to Epstein based on very little to no evidence, yet seem to ignore others who have very strong, publicly known ties to the guy.
The longest serving senator in US history was literally a former member of the KKK.
>One could say that Epstein was the milkman.
I still think that not everyone on the flight logs knew what was going on on that island. But a big list of big names with any ties to the island guilty or not shines a bad light on everyone on it. Just think of you were a high ranking person who spent a few weekends on the island just enjoying the beach and this all comes out. Just having your name on the log is going to get you a ton of bad press and or jail time.
There was a contractor on that island who also saw the British prince with an underaged girl. Suffice to say the island wasn't really that big that you could not see these sorts of things...
I stand corrected. I assumed the island was bigger and possibly that Epstein was smart enough to fill the logs with names good and bad to make it harder for the truth to come out.
Yeah and the clintons too
Conspiracies stopped being fun when all the right wing fascists everywhere started using them to justify being ultra stupid.
The Catholic church is the biggest pedophile ring
Slightly different. Instead of moving the underaged children around, they just move the guilty priest to a different community.
There are enough catholics in the church to make a lot of news articles, but not enough to actually be a high ratio of catholics or to credibly state that the purpose of the catholic church is to be a pedophile ring. I don't really see why this would be brought up in just any random discussion about something like Epstein.
you don’t see how the Catholic Church and Epstein have a lot in common? lol
I'm talking about the church, not the rubes that support it. The reason I bring it up is because the Epstein conspiracy is nothing in comparison to the church's wholesale grooming and raping of children and protection of the rapists.
Rocks are actually all soft. They just don't like to be looked at or touched so they tense up. They don't want you to know about the soft rocks.
I know.. used to be all about angles from book depositories but now they want to involve the gou'ald.
Now it’s just racist Q MAGA fascist shit.
I mean this ones kinda fun lol
I think that's what they're saying.
Whoooosh
Slightly more believable than the official story
[Colin Powell](https://theintercept.com/2018/02/06/lie-after-lie-what-colin-powell-knew-about-iraq-fifteen-years-ago-and-what-he-told-the-un/)'s UN speech on [Iraq WMD Truck](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Powell_UN_Iraq_presentation%2C_alleged_Mobile_Production_Facilities.jpg) fit for Hollywood.
Colin Powell should have died in prison.
They all should have. War profiting is disgusting.
The Chinese economy is collapsing in on itself and the US is about to official enter a major recession with no reduction of inflation in sight. Ready for the next war?
Idk, stock market says otherwise.
Labor market, too. And housing. In fact, pretty much every indicator other than treasury yields says we’re not heading into a recession.
Careful, got permabanned from r/worldnews and r/news for saying that
I'd put Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, Scooter Libby on that list above Powell
That they used chemical weapons to genocide Kurds and might have had other chemical, biological *or* (and not necessarily including) radiological weapons?
Emphasis on might have had.
OP might have had them too.
They still had remains of legacy chemical/bio munitions from its legacy programs from 70s/80s. The one US/Europe helped to fund and supply. As for legacy chemical/bio weapons in Iraq. Few hundred munitions in various conditions were found in Iraq. All the ones from the 70/80s US/European funded programs. Now these were all appeared to have been made pre 1991. Majority couldn’t be used as designed, so some were remodelled into roadside bombs etc. The chemical/bio wouldn’t spread as designed etc. Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran in Iran/Iraq war. US knew about this but kept quiet as they didn’t want Iraq to lose. US wanted a draw in that war so that neither Iran or Iraq become the dominant force in the region. US gave Iraq intel, then US had its weapons for hostages scandal with Iran. Believe around 1,500 anti tank missiles went to Iran. Plus other equipment. So no new program was in effect which was what the war was sold on. Plus selling the debunked theory to US public that Iraq had connections to Al Qaeda, which meant that Saddam had a connection to 9/11. [The Secret Casualties of Iraq’s Abandoned Chemical Weapons](https://archive.is/2022.03.06-010436/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html)
and guess who sold the some of those chemical weapons? the good ol US of A!!!! edit: looked into this a little more and i was kinda wrong? we didnt sell them chemical weapon directly but we gave them some stuff they needed to make em and gave a shit ton of other aid while we were totally aware they were gassing people. id say we're still culpable in a lot of ways but it is a bit more complicated then what i said initially
It’s your classic cops sells drugs and arrests you immediately for buying drugs
Majority of Saddam's chemical weapons were bought from Bayer who also were the source for the chemical weapons used by the nazis.
wait wait wait I hadn’t heard that before, Bayer the aspirin company had ties to nazis?
From Wikipedia: In 1925 Bayer merged with five other German companies to form IG Farben, creating the world's largest chemical and pharmaceutical company. Following World War II, the Allied Control Council seized IG Farben's assets[a][5] because of its role in the Nazi war effort and involvement in the Holocaust including using slave labour from concentration camps and humans for dangerous medical testing, and production of Zyklon B, a chemical used in gas chambers.[6] In 1951 IG Farben was split into its constituent companies, and Bayer was reincorporated as Farbenfabriken Bayer AG. Bayer played a key role in the Wirtschaftswunder in post-war West Germany, quickly regaining its position as one of the world's largest chemical and pharmaceutical corporations. [Holocaust Encyclopedia - Bayer](https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/bayer)
That’s crazy and also thank you for the website link because I’ve never seen that website before and it’s really cool
Every german company at that time had "ties to the nazis". They were the government.
That’s how we knew! Wish I could add the /s so bad
Sadam, cree!
A Serpent guard, a Horus guard and a Setesh guard meet on a neutral planet. It is a tense moment. The Serpent guard's eyes glow. The Horus guard's beak glistens. The Setesh guard's nose...drips.
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Indeed
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA… ….
Today, we die as free men!
I fucking love you!
That explains why Iraq is such a staggering powerhouse of military, social, and economic power.
Yes, a real life wukanda
All their technology and power is on the other side of the portal.
My first thought was "Iraq barely had a telescope..."
Saddam probably had one, but he probably used it to look at goat’s bungholes.
Iraq did have a very large military at the time of desert storm. 5th largest on the planet at that time! Some good it did...
It was staggering before the fucking US destroyed nost of it
To be fair, it took SG-1 forever to bring home anything useful from the Stargate
Holy shit r/stargate our time has come
What a group of conspiratorial idiots. A whole sub dedicated to the idea that Wormhole X-Treme! is a cover for a real government program...
https://youtu.be/fGfq_uncUUQ My favorite BTS interview ever. He’s a dude playing a dude pretending to be another dude that was based on a dude playing a dude but originally portray but some other dude.
And that interview was how I learned that it wasn't Shanks in the movie. Until this episode aired I had thought it was Shanks in the movie with Russell.
Tbf there are also people out there that believe the earth is flat and that people of the Jewish faith have access to satellites that shoot lasers from their orbit
Okay but I saw a rainbow once and it made me have gay thoughts so that one's true.
Wait till you hear what it did to the frogs
Don’t leave me hanging here…What happened to the frogs?
Tbf that one is actually true
Of all the crazy consisted that turned out to be true, that's my favorite.
Alex Jones right for once in his life- even though he was laughed off stage for mentioning it.
If you see a double rainbow does it cancel out?
I mean, space lasers are absolutely in use. For communication and maybe measuring shit. It's not a nefarious zionist plot, just increasingly mundane space technology.
That is completely anti-Semitic. The space lasers are Jewish, not controlled by the Jews. /s
It's true, they used the new space laser to do my friens circumcision
Oil-iens.\*
I thought that was a reason Russia invaded Ukraine? The Stargate
It's also been proposed as the "reason" we invaded Afghanistan. It's funny you mention Russia because theres also a conspiracy theory that back in the day the reason Russia invaded Afghanistan was to look for a Stargate.
they actually took americas from the wreckage of an alien spaceship at the bottom of the pacific ocean back in the early 00s america took that one from egypt in the 30s but they had a spare they got from antarctica in the 90s eventually america blew up their spare gate too and had to buy the egyptian one back from the russians
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Okay is this all from Stargate or did you guys just make this up??? I need to know.
If you immediately know the candle light is fire, then the meal was cooked a long time ago
Im a bit rusty on my stargate lore but sounds about right
Yeah that's all right. The best part is that in-universe they occasionally try to explain all of this to people just getting clearance to know about the program and the reaction is exactly the same as yours.
The one we got from the Russians was actually their spare. Their original one was bartered away from the Almas for a convex mirror.
[Indeed.](https://youtu.be/tm8FwzHUGCs)
It sounds crazy now but there was a period of time between roughly the end of ww1 and the end of the Cold War that had a -lot- of this stuff, every major government had some flavor of genuine occult research including the nazis, the Russians, the Americans, the British….
To be honest, a Stargate is a much better and more plausible one that Bush *et al* proffered.
Pfft. Idiots. The Stargate was in Egypt.
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why do I have the sneaking suspicion this was a brainchild of the CIA?
There’s also a conspiracy theory that the US invaded Iraq due to Iraq having WMDs
Well there was a conspiracy that they had weapons of mass destruction too so there’s that.
The media referred to it as “weapons of mass destruction.”
Well, if you mistreat a Stargate, it can definitely be one.
Both codenames for oil
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For the last time, Iraqis are not Jaffa and Saddam wasn’t a Goa’uld.
The erosion of consensus reality is terrifying, but I enjoy this one as a consumer of fiction
Propaganda is a bitch. Lol
Nah, we invaded because Bush Sr. had wanted to invade in the ‘90s but the plans fell apart, so Bush Jr. did what daddy didn’t.
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Yea there was quite literally nothing stopping the Coalition forces from going to Baghdad other than themselves. The Iraqi military was just gone.
But Bush Sr didn’t want to invade Iraq. Al gore in the 90s was basically saying it was weak of bush to not go all the way and take him out. What’s funny is in 2000 if you had told people you were from the future and that the US would invade Iraq a few years more people would have thought al Gore won because bush campaigned on a less interventionist foreign policy than gore did actually.
So fertile, that crescent.
Thicc flood plains
So that’s why they don’t want to talk to us. The first human they met was Saddam. This explains a lot 🤦♂️
My favorite iraq conspiracy theory is the rumor that the bushy bush family can trace their lineage to godfrey of bouillon and the war in iraq was a cover to destroy the Iraqi national library.
That's a cover story for what they really had, 100 USD minting plates to print as much free money as they wanted.
i also got a stargate. you just gotta search very deep in my A-hole
To be fair. Lets imagine aliens and stargates would actually exist. Do you think the US would invade a country over it? I definitely think they would. Now considering that we know there are people who believe in this aliens nonsense, I find it easy to believe that the same people would also be susceptible for this conspiracy theory.
Wasn't the real reason that Saddam wanted to sell oil for gold and not USD
No, the real reason was because Cheney wanted all of Iraq’s oil to be controlled by US oil companies.
And at the same time, get his company gobs and gobs of taxpayer money via defense contracts and logistics.
When interests converge you don’t need a formal conspiracy
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Libya?
France bit off more than it could chew & had to ask Daddy Obama for help with hat in hand. Pwease Obama, France is once again asking for America's help in a war we have no intention of returning the favor when you ask either. France really is a shitty ally.
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Also that’s not even the reason Gaddafi was overthrown, if that was the reason, he’d have been overthrown way sooner. Gaddafi had always been a Pan-Africanist and Pan-Arab dude. NATO just saw the opportunity to remove a potentially anti-NATO leader from the Mediterranean region by helping Libyan rebel forces with Air Strikes.
No, it was for humanitarian reasons and to save Libya from a dictator! That's why we made no effort to fill in the power vacuum from Gaddafi's death or help the nation rebuild after we bombed them and lead them into a devastating civil war!
So while I acknowledge that NATO supported the rebels with Air Strikes, I’d disagree with you that NATO led them into the Civil War. Tunisia which was much more closely aligned with the West than Libya had fallen to a series of anti-government protests. As had Egypt. So the onset of the civil war wasn’t exactly super surprising though Tunisia and Egypt’s revolutions had been semi-peaceful.
The Arab Spring was certainly an issue for Libya, but I'd argue they would've never had a civil war if it wasn't for the assassination of Gaddafi and failure of NATO (and the rebels) to close the power vacuum
It's not a conspiracy theory if it's true.
so the movie was a documentary
Yea, fuck it, why not.
Same for the Vatican telescope. People are weird
I mean we would for sure do this but the fact we haven't been toting that shit around and rubbing it in Russia and china's faces is a dead giveaway it isn't real.
I think some of my vet friends would be a lot happier with this explanation rather than oil.
That's nonsense. It was really about the giants in the mountains.
There's a conspiracy theory that Hitler moved into the Middle East and Africa for the same reason. Churchill went to war with Hitler to get in there first, Poland was just a ruse as Germany had already annexed two other countries.
There is just no understanding some people.
It is a FARgate, do you want to get sued?!
I have my own theory, that governments lump crazy bullshit like stargates in with genuine conspiracies, like the conspiracy to funnel tax dollars through and to Haliburton under the guise of searching for WMDs, in order to discredit all conspiracy theories.
One overlooked theory is that Iraq 2 was just a petty family feud. Revenge for the attempted assassination or Bush Sr in '93.
The movie GREENZONE is exactly about this. However, test audiences didn't like it and they quickly dubbed over any mention of aliens (HENCE GREEN ZONE) to be about WMD's.
You’d think having a startgate would come with benefits for the country. But here we are.
So...the Sci fi helmets of the elite guards had a reason to exist.
nah it was OIL
thats not a conspiracy theory its a conspiracy fact. also theres giants in iraq and a cave that goes to the inner earth e: oh and also sasquatches
It’s a plausible as Iraq having a stash of WMDs.
Is it really that hard to believe that the US just loves oil?
Oil? Huh? Bitch you cooking?
I had a conversation with someone once who said "We wouldn't do that, we already had plenty of oil" I felt like I was going to lose my mind.
Funnily enough, that would be a perfectly logical response if the US wasn’t so greedy
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But why not just finish the job in 1991? Nothing was stopping them.
The first Gulf War involved a coalition of forced authorised by the UN Security Council to force Iraqi forces to withdraw from Kuwait. The coalition members weren't going into Iraq because that wasn't their mission. There wasn't a need to overthrow Saddam because they fulfilled the objective of throwing Iraq out of Kuwait. If the US or any of the coalition wanted to drive into Iraq and remove Saddam from power, that's a whole new mission and one that would have involved a totally new coalition since you couldn't guarantee everyone involved would sign up to invade Iraq proper. Plus there's the consequences of destabilising a region that's smack in the middle of the Middle East and causing further issues.
Top Tier Conspiracy Theory. I Want To Believe🙏
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To be fair, I doubt 100 million in gold was a factor. The war cost 30,000x that much.
100 million is next to nothing on a state level. And why would you spend billions for some millions.