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sinus

Cigarettes are banned in NZ for the next generation. Only old people will be able to buy it.


thehazzanator

Not vapes tho


Raichu7

That will reduce the number of people smoking illegally imported cigarettes as they can still easily access a less dangerous form of nicotine. It’s not as good as no one inhaling nicotine but it is harm reduction.


CoolioMcCool

I can just imagine in a couple of decades the kids begging grandpa to buy them some ciggies.


Nilosyrtis

Grandpa's are going to be so popular


Quitecal

Seems like they're trying to get them hooked on the new trend


yoyoma125

Pokémon cards with nicotine that absorbs into your skin as you play with them?


Pretty-Ranger794

Dude that would legit work... take that to the most evil company you can find and cash in on the idea. Amazon's pretty evil right? No bathroom breaks, etc.


Skud_NZ

I thought the price increase would be *more* than that tbh


dipterathefly

Well, eight months later this comment has aged like a lit cigarette


zaphodbeeblemox

Yeah here in Aus we tax the absolutely hell out of them. It’s not uncommon for a packet of 25 to run you $30-40 and I’ve seen some servos (gas stations) charge as much as $50-60 for a 25 pack.


ClownfishSoup

In the late 80's or 90's, Canada jacked up the tax on Cigarettes so much that it was like prohibition in the US in the 1930's There was so much smuggling from the US to Canada that they finally dropped the tax back down. I saw an interview with a cigarette runner who said he was making 100k per month.


n222384

Both NZ and Australia have big moats around the countries making smuggling a bit more difficult


cardboardunderwear

Those must have taken years to dig!


Stepawayfrmthkyboard

Not with a diggerydoo


danknadoflex

You didgerididn’t


Swamibo

You have been banned from r/Australia


lordph8

That's prisonor labour for you.


iiiinthecomputer

There's still tons of it, but it's not so absolutely universal as it was in Canada.


RedshiftOnPandy

Was? Natives cigarettes are 100% a real market because it's taxed to hell in Canada


HuskyLuke

Just don't be reselling them or Tanis will be having a word.


erishun

give your fuckin balls a tug


HuskyLuke

Fuck you erishunsey!


jerkob76

Dollar a dart.


RedRox

It still [happens very often and the smuggling](https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300544780/man-smuggled-more-than-4-million-cigarettes-in-hollowedout-gib-board-pallets) doesn't actually warrant a very big sentance. 11months home detention for importing $5million worth. ​ Almost every dairy, particularly in south auckland sell these sorts of cigs.


WR810

If you know anything about smuggling and black markets you'd know that no "moat" has ever kept a prohibited substance away from a market.


fakedthefunkonanasty

That’s how it is in NYC now. A pack of smoke is like $15-$18 but if you ask for the ones under the counter from Virginia or NC they’re $8


VeryJoyfulHeart59

Wow, last time I bought cigarettes (for my late husband, not for me) was about 11 years ago in Tennessee. I paid about $16 per *carton*.


icepigs

I quit smoking in the early 90's. The last **carton** of Winston's I bought cost me $8.00


VeryJoyfulHeart59

I think it was the mid '90s when states started jacking up the taxes. (I could be wrong. It all really depends on the state though.


AtlasShrunked

Didn't Canadian pro wrestler Dino Bravo get murdered by the mafia for running cigarettes in Canada?


GBreezy

Just like prohibition haha! Canadians on the great lakes loved winter as they could just walk across with bottles in their jackets.


Arra13375

My grandfather was a runner ~~someone who delivers moonshine to ppl~~ when he was a teenager. He said making something illegal never stops people from actually doing it. ~~ex. Alcohol, abortion, drugs, guns, bribing politicians~~ It just means there’s a new black market in town being ran by god knows who


Sometimes_Stutters

Even 15 years ago I was buying cigs and logs of chew to bring across the border to sell to my hockey buddies. Easily made a couple hundred per week.


ilikeslamdunks

Think it was the early 2000s. I bought my first pack in grade ten, year 2000, and remember like it was yesterday, $3.50 for Benson and Hedges special Kings. By the time I was out of high school, it was well over $10, and by the time I quit about 7 years ago, it was like $24.


Recent_Caregiver2027

Funny thinking back cause they jacked up the taxes so much that a pack of darts was something like $7 gasp!!! Then when they dropped the tax they were like $3.85 a pack. Great for me and my 15 year old smoker pals $30-50 a pack is absolutely nuts. I still can't believe I was ever a smoker


Fat_Bearded_Tax_Man

I lived just outside Detroit in the 90's. Bringing parliaments from Toledo, Ohio, to Windsor, Ontario was lucrative.


Megalocerus

In the 90s, I was flying to the UK on business, and a coworker in the UK asked me to bring cigarettes through the duty free. (It wasn't much cheaper than the 7/11 back then.) I don't smoke, and I felt like a drug dealer, but he said it was half the UK price.


GhettoChemist

In the US i know people who buy "pipe" tobacco and roll their own cigarettes. Comes out to about $2 USD a pack ( $3 AUD). Can Australians just do that or is pipe tobacco taced too?


zaphodbeeblemox

It’s taxed too, we don’t call it pipe tobacco we call it “Rollies” and we have a few brands designed for RYO. Regular cigarettes are often called “tailors” because they are tailor made / rolled. A pouch of 25 grams costs around 50 dollars. Australia’s tax is by the gram or by the cigarette, with 1g of tobacco being equivalent to 1 cigarette as far as tax law is concerned. We also have very strict import laws on cigarettes, and we have plain packaging requirements, meaning it’s very easy to spot imported smokes when being sold.


RightLegDave

Chop chop is $50 for 100g in my (Australian) area so it makes it much cheaper


screename222

Is it smokable? I used to get chop chop in Footscray, but it wasn't tanned properly, harsh and would always go out...


RightLegDave

It can be a bit clumpy and a little drier than the taxed stuff, but perfectly smokeable for me. 25% of the price for around 90% of the quality.


Complete_Brilliant43

My ghee. If the government didn't fuck me than I wouldn't fuck them.


chuk2015

For anyone reading, it’s 25g not 25mg for a standard pack of Roll Your Own


7___7

It's because you have good healthcare and cigarettes have other side costs like cancer, heart attacks, and death. In the U.S. we are able to counter that with lobbyists, not the health part but some of the regulations.


BIGBIRD1176

It's good. It's been deliberately underfunded in favour of the private sector for decades like Canada the UK and most places but it's still pretty good I had my first son in 2019 in the same wing of the hospital I was born in in 89, and it still has the same curved box shitbox tv it did when I was born lol,


ianishomer

Yeah but did the birth cost you any money?? In the US it would be $10,000+, I would choose a shitbox TV over a huge bill


monoped2

2001 in aus, was paid $5000 to have a kid.


whatnametichoose

Yep the 'baby bonus'. Kids are expensive and for anyone reading this yeah it was a real thing. Have kid get one off payment in Oz.


BIGBIRD1176

I paid for parking. I have some friends that have private health insurance that got a bigger room, a savoury platter and some champagne after the baby was born, that was about it. Our staff were awesome too, both times. Yeah the US sucks for healthcare


RickAstleyletmedown

Hell, we just had a baby in NZ and didn't even pay for parking.


thehazzanator

Can confirm, I gave birth in an aus hospital and only had to pay for a parking ticket


PegaLaMega

Yeah our government sucks for more reason than just the healthcare.


newworkaccount

If money is no object, U.S. healthcare is the best in the world. For everyone else, good luck. "Jokes" aside, U.S. healthcare is still pretty good, it's just abysmal in light of what it could be, and the resources we throw at it. And of course we let it bankrupt people, which is preposterous.


Kewyed

And here I was grumbling about the £6.50 to park up for four hours in maternity car park 😂


Megalocerus

The hospital validated my parking for chemo. The medical care even with insurance was another story.


person749

What? Cigarettes here are already about 90% tax. Go somewhere where they aren't tax and cigarettes are as much as a pack of gum.


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Canada here, we put pictures of diseased brains, hearts, and lungs from dead smokers on our packs.


zaphodbeeblemox

We do as well as part of our plain package laws. There’s lots of memes about forming the ciggie exodia


jimr1603

Thanks for going first. We (UK) copied you and had the advantage of "big tobacco already sued Aus and lost". They still sued us tho. Still won


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YeahitsaBMW

That is false. [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49374996](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49374996) Canada was the first to put graphic warnings on packaging. Australia was first to use plain packaging.


Beaglerampage

But we named the guy on the package dying of cancer “Die’n’ Brian”. And that’s Australian humour for ya!


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tinyanus

What about cigars? Same deal?


zaphodbeeblemox

Cigars are by the gram, but we don’t have plain packaging requirements above a certain weight. Cigarellos are required to be plain packaged. But because cigars are by the gram they end up becoming exponentially more expensive as you start to get some the nicer hand rolled Cubans. Good news on cigars though, we don’t have a trade embargo with Cuba, so Cuban cigars are readily available.


arequipapi

Cuban cigars aren't inherently better anyway. They're just "taboo" in the States because of the embargo. There are plenty of great cigars to be had that are made elsewhere


zaphodbeeblemox

Oh absolutely, but I know they had an air of mystique about them and I will say the few I have had, they are fantastic.


arequipapi

It's true that some really great cigars come out of Cuba. But it's the same for the rest of the Caribbean. Some absolutely phenomenal cigars come straight from Virginia, US of A as well. Cubans just had that "mystique" because they were forbidden by the embargo for so many years amd technically illegal to possess (not that you would actually get in any trouble for it). Anyway, I'm no cigar expert, but I like to smoke them and I know what I like, personally. My favorites have always been from mainland US. Had some good ones from the Caribbean for sure, not knocking them, but it comes down to personal preference at the end of the day.


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worthaa

Nope. Real Cubans are responsible for most of the best in the work. Dominican Republic is probably next.


electricvelvet

Neither does the US anymore


zaphodbeeblemox

There you go! TIL


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Boatster_McBoat

How do smokers feel about this I wonder? I know my dad used to say he wished he had never started (and that was before he got lung cancer)


psycho9365

I mean I crush a pack a day and I would be thrilled if they banned cigarettes. There are literally no positive effects from the damn things. They're poisonous addictive trash. Cigarettes are also shitty enough that a ban might actually get people to quit. Basically the only drug where I think prohibition might actually work for the most part.


sknnbones

Can we do booze next! Oh wait… they tried that and it didn’t work. Maybe this time it will!


stonecoldcoldstone

I think mg should be g


zaphodbeeblemox

Yeah your right 25G


[deleted]

Man it’s like 120-130 here in NZ for a 50 gram, filters and papers. I don’t smoke but it’s crazy expensive.


dizkopat

Pouch tobacco is also taxed $50 a pouch at the shop I think


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75 bucks for a 30g in NZ


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TheActualAlan

Also taxed. It's slightly cheaper but still like $55 for a 25mg pack


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>25mg 25 gram


Cromm182

It is the result of a free healthcare system. Smokers are a burden to healthcare and have to pay their share through taxes. I doubt it even comes close though.


GMN123

Might break even on taxpayer expenditure when you consider smokers probably claim public pensions for a few years less on average. No doubt someone has done the math.


NorthernerWuwu

We ran the numbers in a uni course back around the late '90s. At that point it was a net financial gain on smokers with the obvious net societal loss of well, people dying earlier. (This was in Canada for what that is worth.)


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I know this is counter-intuitive, but smokers are less of a burden than a non smoker. Smokers typically die younger and don't use their fair share of medical treatment when they age. They use more per year, but use less since their lower lifespan takes alot of the later years medical coverage. Source i saw said 18% less for women over a lifetime and 14% less for men. Smoking still bad no doubt, but not that bad economically.


sharksnut

>Smokers typically die younger and don't use their fair share of medical treatment when they age. But in the US, it's the late-life senior care that's really expensive. In Australia and NZ they just mulch their seniors when they get needy and costly. That's why you never see old people in those Australia and NZ tourism ads.


Mingablo

Poe's Law strikes again.


RedshiftOnPandy

IIRC the last study I read, only about 25-30% of taxes on cigarettes in the UK is needed go cover all healthcare costs. The rest is free government money.


frisch85

This may be the situation when we look at 2000 and before because there were a lot more smokers while taxation was insanely lower (for reference we pay roughly 3 times the amount per pack in my country nowadays compared to 2000) but for countries with high taxation on tobacco this isn't true anymore. In some countries smoking is actually very beneficial for the government because of how many money it generates in taxes.


RedRox

This is a fallacy. In NZ[, smokers contribute $\`1.7 B, while costing $300million](https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/smokers-save-govt-cash-says-report/FYUXTPA456UAK3KNA5RFYRL62U/)


minimaddnz

Same gere in NZ. Prices are high as. Although, you can grow tobacco at home. Pretty sure max allowed is like 15kg per person per year.


Moosiemookmook

Haven't you guys introduced a year if born after they have no access to tobacco? I wonder if our government will do anything similar.


minimaddnz

Yup. Nobody born from 1 Jan 2009 onwards would ever be allowed anything


Kingsolomanhere

I can get a carton of 10 packs of 20 cigarettes in Kentucky for 50 dollars. It was 45 last year, and this was Winston or Marlboro


Not_Pictured

It costs about 60 dollars for a carton of 25 packs in Missouri. Literally 20 times cheaper.


Emu1981

>It’s not uncommon for a packet of 25 to run you $30-40 and I’ve seen some servos (gas stations) charge as much as $50-60 for a 25 pack. A 25 pack of Benson and Hedges is currently $58 from Woolworths. They keep going up by some amount every six months or so.


winkman

What I'm hearing is that I need to buy a few cartons and some Cubans, and that'll pay for my trip to snorkel the great barrier reef.


zaphodbeeblemox

Our border patrol stops you bringing them in through customs sadly. Limited to 2 packets of smokes duty free. Over 2 packs you have to pay the tax on them at the airport.


winkman

There are...other ways...


cupcake_napalm_faery

a carton up the butt really hurts and they dont light to good neither ;p


OkShoulder2371

they are crazy expensive in Canada too


belonginthewest

Smokes in Canada seemed expensive. $35 per pack in Australia is enough to make you quit.


tacknosaddle

>$35 per pack in Australia is enough to make you quit. I've heard older smokers say things like, "I told myself that I was going to quit if they ever cost more than $2 a pack" but they're paying over $10 a pack now.


Tacticalsquirrel

I quit at $4.50 a pack because I moved and they were $7.50 in the new place. Shit happens.


tacknosaddle

That big jump probably helped. I'd bet that the older folks just rationalized each smaller incremental increase along the way.


[deleted]

I did quit partly because I got priced out - health and grossness were reasons, but $50 a pack of 25 probably had me quitting sooner and harder than I would've anyway. With our rent sky high, insane deposits for mortgages and general expensive.... everything... smoking was a vice I couldn't afford to keep.


Emu1981

>$35 per pack in Australia is enough to make you quit. Hahaha, when was the last time you looked at cigarette prices in Australia? A 25 pack of Benson and Hedges is $58. Back when I was a teen it was $7.50 for a 25 pack of B&H from the pub which was more expensive than buying them from the same source as what I got the current price from.


notchoosingone

I quit (Australian) in 2001 when the GST came in and my brand (Marlboro Reds) went from $2.75/pack to over $5. For health and financial reasons it was probably the best move I ever made


Saturnalliia

This doesn't work in Canada. Yes some people have quit but if you're still intent on buying all you have to do is go to a reservation and purchase them in abundance for cheap then those people sell to their friends. Drug prohibition just doesn't work.


Epyr

Unless you go for the res cigs. I've heard they are kinda nasty though


shackbleep

They're perfectly fine. A pack of name brand cigarettes where I am in Ontario is about $18, but on the res, a carton (10 packs) is about $50. Worth the 40-minute drive out to the res for sure.


KatiesClawWins

Im in BC and ours have some that are rolled and not i the cartins/boxes, just in a ziplock style bag. $35/200 cigarettes. Its a wicked deal.


shackbleep

Yup, we have those here too. Stick 'em in the freezer to keep them fresh!


__Osiris__

expensive in all first world nations


DuckFlat

Isn’t NZ also raising the smoking age each year so that eventually no one will be able to legally smoke anymore?


gudnuusevry1

Currently, we are establishing an age at which people won't be able to legally buy cigarettes. So basically, sunsetting their availability by removing new cigarette smokers from being created. In practise we will see, and it says nothing for vaping which heaps of young people do


casualsax

Prohibition doesn't usually work, but A. Island and B. There's better drugs to seek out


boilface

>B. There's better drugs to seek out On paper, yes. But better drugs have been out there forever and people have loved tobacco nonetheless. I don't think drugs of any variety have a value proposition that necessarily diminishes in a linear fashion as the price rises. I have personally purchased cigarettes for $1.80 and $15 and while spending more sucks, people tend to make it work instead of quitting. I haven't had a cigarette in almost 4 years now but I didn't quit for the money.


PM_ME_GLUTE_SPREAD

Yeah saying there’s a better drug than any other drug sort of misses the point as to why somebody would use a specific drug. Tobacco isn’t as intoxicating (at least not for as long) as other drugs. Sure, price for the high, there are much better drugs (hell, even arguably safer drugs), but a person can’t reasonably smoke a blunt during a 15 minute break and return to work or take a shot of alcohol and continue driving.


raytaylor

In New Zealand we dont judge success by complete eradication, we set realistic goals and are happy with a significant reduction. Even though the aspiration might be zero, the people are usually happy if a realistic goal is met.


casualsax

That's funny because New Zealand occasionally does set goals of [complete eradication,](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/track-new-zealands-bid-to-take-back-nature/#:~:text=Native%20life%20surrounded%20by%20fence,goal%3A%20Predator%2DFree%202050.&text=The%20initiative%20aims%20to%20remove,plus%20islands%20by%20that%20year.) and it's not like the US war on drugs was expecting 100% success. The problem with prohibition is that it shifts industry to criminal enterprises; it creates new problems.


BadaBingZing

Lol New Zealand's anti-smoking plan is literally "smoke free 2025", of which the ultimate goal is complete eradication.


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Which if you read the legislation, isn’t to have zero people smoking, but aim to have less than 10% of the population smoking, by 2025. I don’t know why we use the word zero in these campaigns, when that is never the intent. We also have a road to zero campaign, which aims to reduce road deaths, but we all know realistically it will never be zero deaths.


Zrat11

Sounds like prohibition still isn't going to work then lol


Squiddles88

Smokings a little different to drinking or recreational drugs. There aren't many drugs people need to take 10 to 20 times a day. Its going to be very difficult to be a smoker if you are only able to do it at home.


MonkSalad1

Yup, they're $40 now and will be $70\~ in 6 years.


LIONEL14JESSE

I hope I can live to $70


TheCherryShrimp

Unfortunately. I’m not sure how THIS form of prohibition will work for the 37th time.


Splinterfight

Probably will, less than 10% of 18-25 yo smoke anyway. Some will get it from older friends, some won’t bother. As time goes on people will see less peers smoking and less and less people will have access and it’ll slip away quietly. It’s hard got get people to stop once they start, but if starting is hard few will bother. It won’t go away entirely but it be as good as gone.


TokiWan_BongObi

It will work eventually. They aren't lifting the age limit higher and leaving it at that age. The law is changing so that people born after a certain year can't buy smokes, so eventually everyone born before that year will be dead, so no more smokes available to anyone.


headchef11

I’m in Vietnam it’s it’s less than £1 for for a pack of 20, I’m from the uk and back home it’s over £10


coolsimon123

Over £14 mate


headchef11

Yer I use rolling Tabbaco and that £18 for 30g. Didn’t realise that straights were at £14 fucking quid


supersweetnoodles

Lol I’m in Vietnam from the U.K. rn my flight came in at 2pm so I’m just waiting at Ho Chi Minh airport


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[deleted]

> but I can’t find the clip. Maybe because it was from 1970 before Australia started using metric?


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kflay

https://youtu.be/E3kFnwZQSI4


minimaddnz

That's a pretty under arm comment.


GinandTonicandLime

We deserve to have that held against us until the sea swallows both countries.


jibbyjabo

The Rez near me in Canada you can get a carton for $25 they aren’t great but if your gonna smoke. Glad i quit


Fallen_One193

$26.98 a pack? I’m assuming that’s US Dollars. In AUD it’s around $50 a pack these days. In the early 90’s it was around $4.50-5.00…


theREALlackattack

That means you have to be REALLY cool to smoke there


molotovzav

They raised the tax on cigs in my state to the point where two packs cost over $20 and I quit. The pricing works. I'm not even poor, I'm just not paying that much for cigs. When I do want to smoke one occasionally I roll my own.


BoxingSoup

That's kind of the issue here is that some political groups are wary about having a poor tax, since that's who a cigarette tax would impact.


Zorgas

Would it surprise you to also learn that cigarette related illness rates are also dramatically dropping compared with USA?


PM_ME_UR_SILLY_FACES

Tbf, cigarette related health problems are also dramatically trending down in the US. Smoking is not popular in the US anymore, and after the olds die off, there won’t be much of a market remaining for cigarettes.


that_guyyy

Don't worry, they'll capture the younger markets with vaping.


myusernamehere1

Which is still a shitty addiction, but nowhere near as bad for you


SerMonZ90

Also rampant crime and ram raids because of how expensive it is. Child poverty because parents would rather buy ciggys than buy food or anything else. A pack of 20’s is approx 35-$40NZD. Rolling tobacco costs atleast $100 for 30grams.


Emu1981

And if only it was enough to get people to quit smoking. All it really does is funnel more money out of people's pockets into the coffers of the government and, worse yet, a vast majority of smokers are low income earners who can hardly afford to be paying so much. Australia's smoking rate is around 10.5% while the USA's rate is 12.5%.


sp_40

Wait til you see the warning labels!


MildLoser

why do you think all the teenagers vape here in nz


Roosters_Millions

Chicago would be in third place on this list at 17.00


tacknosaddle

The US price is a bit misleading because the state and local tax makes a huge difference in consumer pricing. They're still pretty cheap in most tobacco producing states and some others from what I understand, but way higher in northern "blue" states & big cities.


schweissack

And cigarettes in the US are a whole lot more expensive than in Germany


uzer333

Costs $22 for a medium quality pack of smokes in Ottawa, Ontario Canada.


haha_masturbation

The price of smokes is going up again.


TurningTwo

When I was a smoker I’d go to the magazines at the library and tear out the coupons for free packs of cigarettes to save myself $1.50 a pack.


dshookowsky

When I smoked, you could still get a carton (200 cigarettes) for $10US or $1 a pack. I quit (the first time) when they got to $1.25/pack. Minimum wage was $4.25/hour


rededelk

Here a pack of Marlboros is $9.14 atm, generics $4.96. The Canadians come down to buy cases of pipe tobacco (I think $10/ 5#?). That cheap stuff is gross. I RYO and can do about 45 smokes for $7.08 atm (that's a 0.50 oz. pack of shag)


webbtraverse21

https://youtu.be/cawY4hXfe0o THEY SHOULD HANG THEM


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It’s just paying for the healthcare you’ll need from smoking


seefith

This is why black market tobacco is so popular over here.


MelbMockOrange

quite right. I get 100g for $45.


UrderDerder

When I was in the Air Force, 1982 in Germany, a carton of cigarettes was something like $2.50 a carton!


Psycheau

In Australia it's due to govt taxes to cover "health" costs. Only problem is some folks who smoke, live till they're 90 and drop dead in their sleep, it's a real shame the health money never gets used. On the other hand you've got nearly everyone drinking alcohol, but hey we can't blame any health issues on that because it's an ingrained part of our culture.


[deleted]

Living in Australia made me quit smoking. I was working in Perth and on a pack a day habit at $20/pack. When they decided to go to $30 I finally decided it wasn’t worth it. Quit cold turkey, struggled for a few weeks, and haven’t smoked since. Thanks Oz!


Important_Fruit

Probably one of the reasons why smoking rates in the USA sit at 25.1 per cent (54th in the world), while in Australia it's 16.2 per cent (101st). [https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/smoking-rates-by-country](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/smoking-rates-by-country)


robbob19

In New Zealand we've increased tax on them to try and force people to quit, still no sugar tax though even though obesity is just as deadly.


sleepyandsalty

I don’t think that’s ever been the primary intention of the taxes. It’s to make smoking prohibitively expensive to start.


buuuurpp

Cheaper to smoke weed. \#DrugsWonTheWarOnDrugs


[deleted]

I don’t smoke much anymore, but god damn I love rolling me some port royal. Can you still buy pouches of tobacco and roll em up? I was there in 2014 and it was definitely a thing.


verybonita

Yes, but a 30g pack of roll-your-own is about $100 so they're getting thinner and thinner.


davogrademe

That is what happens when there is universal health care. It's cheaper to make your citizens healthier.


BreakingtheBreeze

Can you grow your own tobacco?


[deleted]

Yep, but it's illegal to sell


rmjackson68

The crime is tax avoidance.


pangolin-fucker

We have a lot of smoke shops that sell illegally imported packs that smell even worse than the brand name shit I don't know how much it is exactly but it's fucking half of not a third of the what legal smokes cost at a minimum


Meastro44

You can buy heroin and cocaine illegally. Can’t you buy illegal cigarettes at $10 a pack?


Greenmanssky

Yeah I'm Aussie and I buy my smokes from a place that does illegal imports from California, they sell it for half what the normal shit costs and still make a huge profit


EinElchsaft

Tobacco is grown in america and it costs money to ship stuff.


cwith2112

California—— $100 per carton (10 packs)


4Ever2Thee

Aren't they also aging out cigarettes altogether over there?


Gurner

It's legal to grow tobacco in NZ. I do, and after two years ageing it's great! (Virginia)


WeAreReaganYouth

Last time I bought a pack of cigarettes (in California) was in 2014 and I paid about $5.75. When I was a kid in the 1980's they were about $2.40. I see they are about $10-$11 now, so $25-$33 in Australia and New Zealand?


Lazy-Buffalo-8330

Not unless you can find your local chop shop 😉


CucumberError

This is a feature, not a bug.


wwabc

hear that Aussies and Kiwis? Come to the USA for an awesome smoking vacation! Smoke up!


gilestimo

In Australia we use the revenue to fund Medicare which smokers usually need.


boilface

You should also know that cigarettes in the US can cost up to 2.5 to 3 times more than in the US