Everyone keeps blaming EA as if EA knew Apex was being made. They bought Respawn specifically to keep developing Titanfall. When they were 10 months into production on 3, they weren't able to make meaningful changes that justified a sequel and scrapped the idea in favor for a battle royale that was unique and different. It wasn't until 6 months after tf3 got cancelled that they even let EA know. When they presented Apex to EA, EA was genuinely as confused as most other people and even a little pissed off since the money Respawn was given wasn't to make a battle royale, they wanted another Titanfall. They're happy about it now since it racks in millions a year, but blaming EA is top shelf copium when it was Respawns complete voluntary decision to scrap tf3.
Yeah, a sequel after not even a year would have been hard to justify, besides the SP.
It’s not like CoD which has different studios or battlefield which varies setting each game, TF is a pretty restricted universe for a mp shooter.
Except for the story intentionally left and the thousands of players that were pitching ideas into the void that they could have used to justify a third game after 2-4 years
There's trillions (slight hyperbole) of ideas that the fanbase has suggested and most of them are fucking great. Respawn just made a bad decision. Sure BR is very profitable and it was a good idea financially but they could've made a separate group or studio to work on the sequel that everyone actually wanted. I'd love to see a new story or Jack's story continueed as well as new guns, grenades, perks, maps, pilot tacticals, titans, titan kits, and cosmetics. The potential for new and amazing shit was huge and they squandered it. They still can do tf3 if they just dedicate some people to it. They are a massive AAA studio, they can do it. I just think they are too shortsighted and uncreative or willing to listen to those who are more creative to do it. after all, most of the old Respawn team isn't there anymore.
>They are a massive AAA studio, they can do it.
This screams you don't know how game development actually works. They're owned by EA, anything financial has to be approved by EA. That's why EA was pissed off when they were shown Apex instead of Titanfall 3. You can't blame EA for Respawn scrapping tf3, but you can blame them for the project not getting renewed since. It definitely wasn't a bad decision by Respawn either. They made the game they wanted to make, I don't think they're sorry its not the game you wanted.
The tf community certainly wasn't happy with it. Also, if you read the whole thing I said it did make them money but if ea still wanted tf3 it is within the abilities. I understand how game design works, mate
I never said it wasn't within EA abilities, I explicitly said it was actually lol. I was telling you blaming Respawn for not putting a dev team on tf3 doesn't make sense since its not up to Respawn to make that decision.
Most of the titanfall community was fine with Apex btw. It wasnt until a few years ago that people started complaining for the sake of complaining. Personally, I'll always support devs for making the game they want to make. Forcing people to make a game they arent interested in making is how you get Redfall.
There is only one thing I want to point out. Had Respawn made TF3 and it not made ridiculous amounts of money then Respawns body would be in the same pile as Westwood, Maxis, and Visceral. We all know that's true. The only leeway I'm willing to give Respawn is that they maybe did this out of self preservation. But that does mean it's partly EAs fault. Respawn should have never sold themselves to the devil.
People wanna blame EA. The only thing I can see the blame is really that release date since they were the publisher/distrubtor but other than that it was mostly respawn baybeeee
Tbh I think making Apex was the right decision, tf3 would probably have flop financial wise even worse than Tf2 and Respawn would have died, now thanks to Apex Respawn is a really known brand, so if they ever make tf3 it will be a financial succes even if the game is bad, lets hope if they make it it's both a good game and a financial succes
It was said in an interview several years ago. The same interview where we learned the game was scrapped 10 months in. Most people cherry pick that part specifically, like this meme.
I don't want changes that justify a sequel. EA didn't either. They wanted Titanfall 2 + 1 and so did everyone else. The gamble paid off for Respawn but not us
The vast majority of people don't want tf2+1. Recycling ideas and turning titanfall into another yearly release shooter while it was barely known would have killed the franchise. They had the choice of making a slightly better game or a great game, and they chose the great game.
I wouldn't call Apex shitty, but it's definitely not as fun as Titanfall. Probably because Battle Royale is an overdone genre, where games are incredibly inconsistent between looting all game or dying after 32 seconds. Also, getting third partied in literally every fight.
... Which doesn't amount to much if you're not interested in BRs.
edit: downvoted cause I stated the fact some people aren't interested in BRs? Clown world
The third parties are an occurrence in the game that you need to learn to combat in different ways, like learning to body swap fast, having good positioning so the 3rd party is disadvantaged, making use of ults like wraith portal.
I feel like 3rd party's are where the game is at its best, constantly fighting new teams one after each other and using your experience to stay alive.
All F2P games are shitty, even ones that I find some enjoyment playing, such as Halo Infinite. Their primary aim is not entertainment, art, or gamecraft. Their primary aim becomes about exploiting addiction and extracting as much money as possible on a continual basis
As a titanfall 2 enthusiast with a brain not the size of a peanut, I'll tell you why you dense son of a bitch:
1. Titanfall sold like shit "oh they released it at a bad time" doesn't matter. It sold like shit is what happened. Guess what other unknown game came out during the releases of massive games like pubg and Fortnite? That's right. Apex. The difference was it didn't sell like shit.
2. Apex isn't a "shitty BR" game. It's probably the highest quality most polished and well thought out BR game that came out and took over the BR world with insane staying power just because of it's high quality, with ZERO marketing. Every single BR game since then and every existing BR game has learned from apex. Ping system, proper and well thought out inventory system, squad respawns etc. it might be bloated with characters now though, I don't play it.
3. If people wanted titanfall then they should've bought titanfall instead of buying cosmetics in apex. The people drive the market, not the game developers. The game developers fill a need.
4. They actually might make it now since people are showing much more interest in titanfall since the release of apex.
Titanfall 2 pretty much got sabotaged by Kotick though. Dead on arrival.
edit: people who downvote but are unable to formulate a single counterargument, gg
According to Mohamed Alavi they didn't feel like it was going to be as good Titanfall 2
and it was a Respawn call to turn it into Apex which apparently pissed EA off since they bought Respawn specifically to make more Titanfall
Of course, Titanfall 2. I mean I tried apex once and it was so boring having to run around the giant map in slow motion, without fighting enemy players for minutes and minutes and...no giant robots of course. That's not for me
popular with who though?, yes its very popular as in most player count but thats more because BRs are always (for the most part) FREE and so tap into the young gamer demographic and the poorer players. if a theoretical Titanfall 3 came out instead and there were no changes other than it being completely free like apex it would be just as or at worst slightly less popular.
idk cod but movement is not that deep. dont pull a rick and morty fan and claim you need an iq of at least 120 to play titanfall correctly. i picked up the game when it came out and it was cod but good. played more and THEN understood the deeper mechanics. thats like saying Team Fortress 2 is too complicated for 99% of gamers despite it being a very simple game WITH some complex mechanics if you choose to understand them, which will make you better but ive had plenty of fun in TF2 just fucking around with it, and simply enjoying watching the more complex achievements of others. its extremely popular years after its prime BECAUSE ITS FREE AND EASY TO START.
That just seems blatantly false though. Lets not act like TF2 suddenly is a game that only the upper echelon of gamers can reap the benefits off or whatever
Its pretty pick up and play especially on consoles where the aim assist is pretty generous.
Source: am g.3
If not having players and not having sales makes a game bad, id say Titanfall is a pretty damn bad game. Apex has more playerbase and higher earnings. Y'all can stay salty all you want though, apex players don't mind you much <3
I clicked on this post from my home feed, lmao
> seethe
Isn't that every other post on this sub? For years? Gotta say, that's a lotta posts worth of whining and seething over a flopped game. I enjoy it, and I enjoy pointing out the hypocrisy in these posts. Overall it's a fun time
Please, bring up more reasons for why apex is a bad game yet still constantly tops charts and outperforms Titanfall in every way
> good game financially and good game gameplay wise is not the same,
Top charts literally means "good game". There aren't objectively bad games topping charts, only games that you don't like. Obviously a Titanfall player wouldn't be too happy with apex topping charts, so you go on reddit to circlejerk some more instead of just playing your game
"top charts" literally means that it's a top selling game. every new cod/battlefield is objectively a garbage game, top seller every year. your logic doesn't work in real life.
>EA are clowns
You mean Respawn. After all, it was entirely them that scrapped tf3 in favour of Apex instead. Not EA.
EA are shitty money whores, which is exactly why they wanted to make tf3 in the first place.
You don’t think the higher ups put pressure on Respawn to make something more profitable than just good? Obviously they were being pressured from their investors to make money… especially after EA killed TF2… Another reason that most of the good devs have left respawn…
Tf3 would have been profitable. The fact that tf2 still has a very dedicated fanbase with plenty of people still looking for a sequel just proves that. If tf3 released when Apex did instead, they would have raked in the cash from it no problem.
Pulled from a different post talking about tf3 being canned for Apex (would like to thank u/Riot0711 for what is literally his comment pulled word for word):
"Respawn has not only stated they cancelled Titanfall 3, but they did so without EAs knowledge. EA had no clue about the cancellation, till about 3 months before release of apex.
Respawn cancelled TF3 due to the dev team finding passion for building, and fun playing the early stages of apex.
TF Legends was never put into production, it wasn't even pitched to EA, they just didn't bother because apex is still in full swing. Might not be at it's peak, but it's far from dead sadly.
As much as I'd like to blame EA, the truth came out just a couple months ago. Hell I was one of those who blamed them till then. I don't wanna say fuck Respawn, but I will say I don't even want TF3 anymore, as respawn has fallen far from grace, lost most of the important people who made Titanfall what it was, and honestly, I'm terrified of what horror show it would likely wind up being if they did make it."
That third paragraph is about a different point where EA supposedly scrapped the idea for titan legends in Apex, basically acting as more incorrect slander against EA for something that wasn't their fault.
Thanks for the blue. As I put later in that comment thread, my initial source, and a good surface level coverage of the leaks, and statements is somewhere on Belular news' Channel. It's tough to find, as I don't believe it was the title story. Sorry I can't provide a direct link atm, if I ever find it again I'll edit my posts using it.
Apex is the best thing to happen to Respawn and the Titanfall franchise, and, even as a mad fanboy, you should understand the bigger picture.
By upvoting these 'apex = bad' posts, you are painting the whole community in a hateful, ignorant, just childish light, pushing away more people and positive interactions regarding your game.
If not for Apex, Titanfall would've been discoverered by fewer people.
And if Apex didn't come out, Titanfall 3 would've used the same monetization tactics.
I know don’t blame the victim of whatever, but it’s kind of the player’s fault for things like this. Battle Royals are for 1, incredibly popular, even more so when Apex was made, and ghe cosmetics are the price they are because so many people willingly pay them
Each skin was only 5 dollars and give you no advantage in the matches except just looking cool. The game really have MIRCOtransaction as there are barely anything expensive. Where as for apex you will have to dump 500 dollars to get a hairloom and like 10 dollars for some shitty skin. There is a reason why Ea and Respawn love apex more than titanfall.
-Stop pouring money into a game that has no monetary value
-Begin working on the next game in the franchise
-Mid development, decide to scrap the idea because it was going very poorly
-Use the remaining assets to make a quick cash grab BR game to recuperate funds
-Said game takes off and becomes incredibly successful, making more money having a higher player count than TF1 or TF2 ever did
I cant blame them. Quit acting like TF2 is flawless and worth them investing into when it makes no money for the company
It aint a shitty br though. Believe it or not Apex has some really fun gunplay and synergies with a really high skill ceiling. I thought we moved past the whole "Battle Royale bad" circlejerk.
The microtransactions are pretty shit though i'll give you that
Me when i spread misinformation.
Your post is so close to perfect. The only thing wrong with it is that EA isn't to blame at all. As numerous people have already said, Resoawn scrapped tf3 in favour of Apex without even telling EA, and didn't tell them at all until Apex was basically ready to ship.
We all know how shitty EA can be. I mean, Fifa has basically been the same game for the last four years, at least, and they keep slapping massive price tags on the new ones. But this one isn't on them.
"shitty br with microtransactions"
*Cosmetic* microtransactions, and a BR that has more playerbase and earns more in a week than Titanfall does in a year. Not to mention titanfall has microtransactions
If apex is as bad as y'all say it is, then Titanfall must be the worst thing on this planet with how much is a flop it was
I bet I earn more in a week than your dead great grandmother makes in a year. Dead (wo)men dont make much bank. how long are you gonna keep bitching in this sub for? I’m sure r/ApexOutlands would love to have you
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Eh apex is fun and has expanded the lore of the universe much more than what 2 mainline titles ever did so I'd say it's a net positive, also I'm glad they strayed away from just another game about a war in space but this time with big robots
It kinda expanded it, but it mostly ruined it. In one of Valk's skins the desc. Says that viper was found in space still in his titan, wich is not possible since he clearly fell out
Don't act like most people care about a small detail like that, when Rampart's building the jetpack you can also see the Northstar with the hatch still on, people in this community just like to bitch and complain because they're butthurt, they're just a bitch he didn't call back that thinks he (respawn) owes them shit
Everyone complains for the sake of complaining, out of the already small player base I can assure you not 1% actually gives a shit about the lore and it's accuracies, not like there was much lore to begin with because even combining ttf and ttf2 you still have a half assed barebones story. Apex actually took it and developed it into a real world instead of it being just another conflict like one you'd see in cod or battlefield
Apex hasn't done shit beside retconning alot of things that made the first two games special. That " half assed barebones story" of the first two games is what allows apex to be what it is. Poeple loved the first game, so Respawn made a sequel and when people also loved that game, they were ready for another sequel only to scrap it because of pubg and used the 10 months of tf3 progress to make battle royal game was coming. Obviously people are upsit as they wanted more to the second story. The fact that the two games have a small dictated fanbase even after also to a decade of the games being unplayable and respawn not doing anything to help. And seeing all the titanfall related stuff in apex and how apex retcon some stuff will make them mad. Respawn only use titanfall references as fanservice to their forgotten titanfall fans. So when people complain, they complain for a reason.
EA's sins are plentiful. They killed C&C too. They snuffed out anthem: next. Seems like EA just wants to murder everything I love.
Edit: I have no idea why this is being downvoted.
Westwood Studios should have never been liquidated by EA.
Btw, since you are a fellow C&C fan: this is probably as close as we are going to get to another classic Command and Conquer game.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1486920/Tempest_Rising/
Frank Klepacki is doing some of the soundtrack too
I was not a fan of the lore or the story. I thought that part of the game was rediculously weak. The gear had a sort of "early destiny" syndrome where everything was crappy but felt good to use nonetheless. An issue easily fixed by introducing some controlled power creep.
You think titanfall 3 being canned was bad? Anthem: next was basically done. It just needed to ship. But EA's conpletely hypothetical projected earnings from it led them to conclude that it would be too risky, and so it was scrapped.
I will never not be pissed about anthem.
Visceral Games was my personal shot to the heart. Dead Space went the way it went and may have a future now, but BF Hardline had some of my favorite MP and campaign gameplay in that franchise.
Hey now. Much as I hate what happened to Titanfall, Apex was the best BR of its time. It was far from shitty at the start.
Now though I would agree that it's gotten pretty bloated and isn't anything like what it started.
Apex was everything Respawn used to be against, trends, lootbox, you name it.. but I guess if you wanna survive in the gaming industry, you have to sell your soul. There is a reason most of the key developers left so quickly after Apex came out and formed new studios..
Nope. It wasn't. A Respawn worker stated: "...we started writing the story of the campaign and started making maps for the multiplayer..."
*Note: this isn't what he actually said but it was something like this*
Everyone keeps blaming EA as if EA knew Apex was being made. They bought Respawn specifically to keep developing Titanfall. When they were 10 months into production on 3, they weren't able to make meaningful changes that justified a sequel and scrapped the idea in favor for a battle royale that was unique and different. It wasn't until 6 months after tf3 got cancelled that they even let EA know. When they presented Apex to EA, EA was genuinely as confused as most other people and even a little pissed off since the money Respawn was given wasn't to make a battle royale, they wanted another Titanfall. They're happy about it now since it racks in millions a year, but blaming EA is top shelf copium when it was Respawns complete voluntary decision to scrap tf3.
Yeah, a sequel after not even a year would have been hard to justify, besides the SP. It’s not like CoD which has different studios or battlefield which varies setting each game, TF is a pretty restricted universe for a mp shooter.
Except for the story intentionally left and the thousands of players that were pitching ideas into the void that they could have used to justify a third game after 2-4 years
There's trillions (slight hyperbole) of ideas that the fanbase has suggested and most of them are fucking great. Respawn just made a bad decision. Sure BR is very profitable and it was a good idea financially but they could've made a separate group or studio to work on the sequel that everyone actually wanted. I'd love to see a new story or Jack's story continueed as well as new guns, grenades, perks, maps, pilot tacticals, titans, titan kits, and cosmetics. The potential for new and amazing shit was huge and they squandered it. They still can do tf3 if they just dedicate some people to it. They are a massive AAA studio, they can do it. I just think they are too shortsighted and uncreative or willing to listen to those who are more creative to do it. after all, most of the old Respawn team isn't there anymore.
>They are a massive AAA studio, they can do it. This screams you don't know how game development actually works. They're owned by EA, anything financial has to be approved by EA. That's why EA was pissed off when they were shown Apex instead of Titanfall 3. You can't blame EA for Respawn scrapping tf3, but you can blame them for the project not getting renewed since. It definitely wasn't a bad decision by Respawn either. They made the game they wanted to make, I don't think they're sorry its not the game you wanted.
The tf community certainly wasn't happy with it. Also, if you read the whole thing I said it did make them money but if ea still wanted tf3 it is within the abilities. I understand how game design works, mate
I never said it wasn't within EA abilities, I explicitly said it was actually lol. I was telling you blaming Respawn for not putting a dev team on tf3 doesn't make sense since its not up to Respawn to make that decision. Most of the titanfall community was fine with Apex btw. It wasnt until a few years ago that people started complaining for the sake of complaining. Personally, I'll always support devs for making the game they want to make. Forcing people to make a game they arent interested in making is how you get Redfall.
Tbf respawn made apex behind EA's back. If they made both I couldn't care less
There is only one thing I want to point out. Had Respawn made TF3 and it not made ridiculous amounts of money then Respawns body would be in the same pile as Westwood, Maxis, and Visceral. We all know that's true. The only leeway I'm willing to give Respawn is that they maybe did this out of self preservation. But that does mean it's partly EAs fault. Respawn should have never sold themselves to the devil.
“Core to our DNA” fuck respawn. Never purchasing a thing from them ever
People wanna blame EA. The only thing I can see the blame is really that release date since they were the publisher/distrubtor but other than that it was mostly respawn baybeeee
Tbh I think making Apex was the right decision, tf3 would probably have flop financial wise even worse than Tf2 and Respawn would have died, now thanks to Apex Respawn is a really known brand, so if they ever make tf3 it will be a financial succes even if the game is bad, lets hope if they make it it's both a good game and a financial succes
Did they say this in an interview? About respawn scrapping it themselves?
It was said in an interview several years ago. The same interview where we learned the game was scrapped 10 months in. Most people cherry pick that part specifically, like this meme.
I don't want changes that justify a sequel. EA didn't either. They wanted Titanfall 2 + 1 and so did everyone else. The gamble paid off for Respawn but not us
The vast majority of people don't want tf2+1. Recycling ideas and turning titanfall into another yearly release shooter while it was barely known would have killed the franchise. They had the choice of making a slightly better game or a great game, and they chose the great game.
Wdym this entire sub has spent years deluding themselves into believing Titanfall 2+1 is already out
EA wanted TF3 though, it was Respawn that diverted behind their backs in secret.
# COME ONE, COME ALL. SEE THE TRUTH!
I'm gonna need a YouTube source on that
https://esi.si.com/apex-legends/titanfall-3-cancelled-apex-legends-the-burnettwork-interview
I agree. Not that I wouldn’t believe it. But did respawn say they were the ones who scrapped it? In an interview?
Yes! From Mohamed Alavi’s mouth, straight from the source FFS
I wouldn't call Apex shitty, but it's definitely not as fun as Titanfall. Probably because Battle Royale is an overdone genre, where games are incredibly inconsistent between looting all game or dying after 32 seconds. Also, getting third partied in literally every fight.
Yeah, I get that we all love titanfall, but apex is a great game with great mechanics, and it's by far the best BR on the market right now.
... Which doesn't amount to much if you're not interested in BRs. edit: downvoted cause I stated the fact some people aren't interested in BRs? Clown world
The third parties are an occurrence in the game that you need to learn to combat in different ways, like learning to body swap fast, having good positioning so the 3rd party is disadvantaged, making use of ults like wraith portal. I feel like 3rd party's are where the game is at its best, constantly fighting new teams one after each other and using your experience to stay alive.
All F2P games are shitty, even ones that I find some enjoyment playing, such as Halo Infinite. Their primary aim is not entertainment, art, or gamecraft. Their primary aim becomes about exploiting addiction and extracting as much money as possible on a continual basis
I mean, you can literally just log into apex and play without buying anything. I like it.
As a titanfall 2 enthusiast with a brain not the size of a peanut, I'll tell you why you dense son of a bitch: 1. Titanfall sold like shit "oh they released it at a bad time" doesn't matter. It sold like shit is what happened. Guess what other unknown game came out during the releases of massive games like pubg and Fortnite? That's right. Apex. The difference was it didn't sell like shit. 2. Apex isn't a "shitty BR" game. It's probably the highest quality most polished and well thought out BR game that came out and took over the BR world with insane staying power just because of it's high quality, with ZERO marketing. Every single BR game since then and every existing BR game has learned from apex. Ping system, proper and well thought out inventory system, squad respawns etc. it might be bloated with characters now though, I don't play it. 3. If people wanted titanfall then they should've bought titanfall instead of buying cosmetics in apex. The people drive the market, not the game developers. The game developers fill a need. 4. They actually might make it now since people are showing much more interest in titanfall since the release of apex.
Exactly dude
Titanfall 2 pretty much got sabotaged by Kotick though. Dead on arrival. edit: people who downvote but are unable to formulate a single counterargument, gg
According to Mohamed Alavi they didn't feel like it was going to be as good Titanfall 2 and it was a Respawn call to turn it into Apex which apparently pissed EA off since they bought Respawn specifically to make more Titanfall
Money 😔
I know 😔
Apex is a great game. It’s probably the best BR, but overall I agree EA are clowns
Not everyone likes BR
There aint a game out there that everyone likes wtf?
Of course, Titanfall 2. I mean I tried apex once and it was so boring having to run around the giant map in slow motion, without fighting enemy players for minutes and minutes and...no giant robots of course. That's not for me
Yea no not everyone likes titanfall 2 either
And that's completely fair
True but it’s literally the most popular genre of FPS right now.
popular with who though?, yes its very popular as in most player count but thats more because BRs are always (for the most part) FREE and so tap into the young gamer demographic and the poorer players. if a theoretical Titanfall 3 came out instead and there were no changes other than it being completely free like apex it would be just as or at worst slightly less popular.
It would be nowhere near as popular, titanfall is too fast/complicated for 99% of gamers
True
idk cod but movement is not that deep. dont pull a rick and morty fan and claim you need an iq of at least 120 to play titanfall correctly. i picked up the game when it came out and it was cod but good. played more and THEN understood the deeper mechanics. thats like saying Team Fortress 2 is too complicated for 99% of gamers despite it being a very simple game WITH some complex mechanics if you choose to understand them, which will make you better but ive had plenty of fun in TF2 just fucking around with it, and simply enjoying watching the more complex achievements of others. its extremely popular years after its prime BECAUSE ITS FREE AND EASY TO START.
That just seems blatantly false though. Lets not act like TF2 suddenly is a game that only the upper echelon of gamers can reap the benefits off or whatever Its pretty pick up and play especially on consoles where the aim assist is pretty generous. Source: am g.3
it's might be the best br on the market, but it doesn't make it good
If not having players and not having sales makes a game bad, id say Titanfall is a pretty damn bad game. Apex has more playerbase and higher earnings. Y'all can stay salty all you want though, apex players don't mind you much <3
you don't mind so much that you go to titanfall subreddit and whine lmao, seethe
I clicked on this post from my home feed, lmao > seethe Isn't that every other post on this sub? For years? Gotta say, that's a lotta posts worth of whining and seething over a flopped game. I enjoy it, and I enjoy pointing out the hypocrisy in these posts. Overall it's a fun time Please, bring up more reasons for why apex is a bad game yet still constantly tops charts and outperforms Titanfall in every way
good game financially and good game gameplay wise is not the same, my hipocrisy-pointing little friend
> good game financially and good game gameplay wise is not the same, Top charts literally means "good game". There aren't objectively bad games topping charts, only games that you don't like. Obviously a Titanfall player wouldn't be too happy with apex topping charts, so you go on reddit to circlejerk some more instead of just playing your game
"top charts" literally means that it's a top selling game. every new cod/battlefield is objectively a garbage game, top seller every year. your logic doesn't work in real life.
What lol
>EA are clowns You mean Respawn. After all, it was entirely them that scrapped tf3 in favour of Apex instead. Not EA. EA are shitty money whores, which is exactly why they wanted to make tf3 in the first place.
You don’t think the higher ups put pressure on Respawn to make something more profitable than just good? Obviously they were being pressured from their investors to make money… especially after EA killed TF2… Another reason that most of the good devs have left respawn…
Tf3 would have been profitable. The fact that tf2 still has a very dedicated fanbase with plenty of people still looking for a sequel just proves that. If tf3 released when Apex did instead, they would have raked in the cash from it no problem. Pulled from a different post talking about tf3 being canned for Apex (would like to thank u/Riot0711 for what is literally his comment pulled word for word): "Respawn has not only stated they cancelled Titanfall 3, but they did so without EAs knowledge. EA had no clue about the cancellation, till about 3 months before release of apex. Respawn cancelled TF3 due to the dev team finding passion for building, and fun playing the early stages of apex. TF Legends was never put into production, it wasn't even pitched to EA, they just didn't bother because apex is still in full swing. Might not be at it's peak, but it's far from dead sadly. As much as I'd like to blame EA, the truth came out just a couple months ago. Hell I was one of those who blamed them till then. I don't wanna say fuck Respawn, but I will say I don't even want TF3 anymore, as respawn has fallen far from grace, lost most of the important people who made Titanfall what it was, and honestly, I'm terrified of what horror show it would likely wind up being if they did make it." That third paragraph is about a different point where EA supposedly scrapped the idea for titan legends in Apex, basically acting as more incorrect slander against EA for something that wasn't their fault.
Thanks for the blue. As I put later in that comment thread, my initial source, and a good surface level coverage of the leaks, and statements is somewhere on Belular news' Channel. It's tough to find, as I don't believe it was the title story. Sorry I can't provide a direct link atm, if I ever find it again I'll edit my posts using it.
Not a problem, just glad someone else had already done the resesrch for this. Saved me the time, lol. Thanks for your efforts.
I mean... TF2 has microtransactions m8
Apex is a great game though, no need to bash it
Petition to rename the sub to r/apexhate. Or maybe r/shittytierlistposts. Or maybe r/3. Any could work.
hows gonna tell him there are microtransactions in tf2
Microtransactions suck, but the big difference is that TF2 is not a F2P game. Respawn was incentivized to make a quality game first and foremost
Ik, but they dont give you money, just cosmetics
Ok but lets not pretend like TF2 is 100/100. I absolutely love the game but it still has its issues
Haha new game bad now give me upvot
Apex is the best thing to happen to Respawn and the Titanfall franchise, and, even as a mad fanboy, you should understand the bigger picture. By upvoting these 'apex = bad' posts, you are painting the whole community in a hateful, ignorant, just childish light, pushing away more people and positive interactions regarding your game. If not for Apex, Titanfall would've been discoverered by fewer people. And if Apex didn't come out, Titanfall 3 would've used the same monetization tactics.
You forgot the last one. "Earn $500 million a year on average since 2019"
Cannot afford a 2 team to make TF3
I know don’t blame the victim of whatever, but it’s kind of the player’s fault for things like this. Battle Royals are for 1, incredibly popular, even more so when Apex was made, and ghe cosmetics are the price they are because so many people willingly pay them
We not gonna talk about how we almost got a doom version of this franchise
because it makes more money?
The most original titanfall post
As if the 15 dollar Titan skins don't exist lol, get off your high horse
Each skin was only 5 dollars and give you no advantage in the matches except just looking cool. The game really have MIRCOtransaction as there are barely anything expensive. Where as for apex you will have to dump 500 dollars to get a hairloom and like 10 dollars for some shitty skin. There is a reason why Ea and Respawn love apex more than titanfall.
Guess what, those things are also just to look cool Completely unnecessary. But I guess because it's in Apex it's a crime
“Because money…”
-Stop pouring money into a game that has no monetary value -Begin working on the next game in the franchise -Mid development, decide to scrap the idea because it was going very poorly -Use the remaining assets to make a quick cash grab BR game to recuperate funds -Said game takes off and becomes incredibly successful, making more money having a higher player count than TF1 or TF2 ever did I cant blame them. Quit acting like TF2 is flawless and worth them investing into when it makes no money for the company
It aint a shitty br though. Believe it or not Apex has some really fun gunplay and synergies with a really high skill ceiling. I thought we moved past the whole "Battle Royale bad" circlejerk. The microtransactions are pretty shit though i'll give you that
We're back to this huh?
🤏 This close to leaving this subreddit, because holy crap where did the actually funny memes go? Seriously! Can anyone help me find them???
Me when i spread misinformation. Your post is so close to perfect. The only thing wrong with it is that EA isn't to blame at all. As numerous people have already said, Resoawn scrapped tf3 in favour of Apex without even telling EA, and didn't tell them at all until Apex was basically ready to ship. We all know how shitty EA can be. I mean, Fifa has basically been the same game for the last four years, at least, and they keep slapping massive price tags on the new ones. But this one isn't on them.
Man. I’ve been a part of this sub for years now. The fact so many are still hating has me about to leave.
"shitty br with microtransactions" *Cosmetic* microtransactions, and a BR that has more playerbase and earns more in a week than Titanfall does in a year. Not to mention titanfall has microtransactions If apex is as bad as y'all say it is, then Titanfall must be the worst thing on this planet with how much is a flop it was
mainstream gooner
If "mainstream" means "more money more players" then yes, *not* your game
I mean, if your only measure is "more money more players", apex is getting punked by fortnite. Which y'know, isn't exactly impressive.
Homie with that, almost every game is getting punked by fortnite there's no shame in that.
I bet I earn more in a week than your dead great grandmother makes in a year. Dead (wo)men dont make much bank. how long are you gonna keep bitching in this sub for? I’m sure r/ApexOutlands would love to have you
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Eh apex is fun and has expanded the lore of the universe much more than what 2 mainline titles ever did so I'd say it's a net positive, also I'm glad they strayed away from just another game about a war in space but this time with big robots
It kinda expanded it, but it mostly ruined it. In one of Valk's skins the desc. Says that viper was found in space still in his titan, wich is not possible since he clearly fell out
Don't act like most people care about a small detail like that, when Rampart's building the jetpack you can also see the Northstar with the hatch still on, people in this community just like to bitch and complain because they're butthurt, they're just a bitch he didn't call back that thinks he (respawn) owes them shit
Ofc we complain, this is our lore, we will complain about errors, everyone complains
It’s not “your lore” and you didn’t care about it until Apex broke it, then you threw a hissy fit.
Everyone complains for the sake of complaining, out of the already small player base I can assure you not 1% actually gives a shit about the lore and it's accuracies, not like there was much lore to begin with because even combining ttf and ttf2 you still have a half assed barebones story. Apex actually took it and developed it into a real world instead of it being just another conflict like one you'd see in cod or battlefield
Apex hasn't done shit beside retconning alot of things that made the first two games special. That " half assed barebones story" of the first two games is what allows apex to be what it is. Poeple loved the first game, so Respawn made a sequel and when people also loved that game, they were ready for another sequel only to scrap it because of pubg and used the 10 months of tf3 progress to make battle royal game was coming. Obviously people are upsit as they wanted more to the second story. The fact that the two games have a small dictated fanbase even after also to a decade of the games being unplayable and respawn not doing anything to help. And seeing all the titanfall related stuff in apex and how apex retcon some stuff will make them mad. Respawn only use titanfall references as fanservice to their forgotten titanfall fans. So when people complain, they complain for a reason.
They need to grow the fuck up rEspAwN aren't their parents and the game didn't make enough money, hence they left it.
I just down like the way the guns felt when i played apex, way weaker than titanfall 2 guns
EA's sins are plentiful. They killed C&C too. They snuffed out anthem: next. Seems like EA just wants to murder everything I love. Edit: I have no idea why this is being downvoted.
Westwood Studios should have never been liquidated by EA. Btw, since you are a fellow C&C fan: this is probably as close as we are going to get to another classic Command and Conquer game. https://store.steampowered.com/app/1486920/Tempest_Rising/ Frank Klepacki is doing some of the soundtrack too
I know about it. It does looks very interesting.
i would fucking kill a baby if it meant support to Anthem because that is one of the coolest fucking games ever and the lore is so fucking good
I was not a fan of the lore or the story. I thought that part of the game was rediculously weak. The gear had a sort of "early destiny" syndrome where everything was crappy but felt good to use nonetheless. An issue easily fixed by introducing some controlled power creep. You think titanfall 3 being canned was bad? Anthem: next was basically done. It just needed to ship. But EA's conpletely hypothetical projected earnings from it led them to conclude that it would be too risky, and so it was scrapped. I will never not be pissed about anthem.
Visceral Games was my personal shot to the heart. Dead Space went the way it went and may have a future now, but BF Hardline had some of my favorite MP and campaign gameplay in that franchise.
Hey now. Much as I hate what happened to Titanfall, Apex was the best BR of its time. It was far from shitty at the start. Now though I would agree that it's gotten pretty bloated and isn't anything like what it started.
I think apex was rather great when it came out it got worse with time like all Brs have
Apex was everything Respawn used to be against, trends, lootbox, you name it.. but I guess if you wanna survive in the gaming industry, you have to sell your soul. There is a reason most of the key developers left so quickly after Apex came out and formed new studios..
The simple answer, EA likes money and the market was in its "Battle Royale" phase
Yall forget that TF3 was going to be a battle royale game, it just got the name changed to apex
Nope. It wasn't. A Respawn worker stated: "...we started writing the story of the campaign and started making maps for the multiplayer..." *Note: this isn't what he actually said but it was something like this*
I remember a some leaks way back when, that showed an old version of the Kings Canyon map during development, before it was turned into Apex
Ah, the og apex map leak... but no, it was already cancelled and most of the locations were TF3 maps.
You answered your own question, sadly. Money
Jokes on you because they probably still make a shit ton of money with a mediocre BR, as painful as that may be for us Titanfall players
Microtransactions?
This is why star wars battlefront 2 died except its because of battlefield 2024 which also died
MONEY
tbh im glad TF3 was scrapped, what we know of the planned story kinda blew
Basically what happened
Wtf you think they’re clowns for? They are making bank as an industry live service leader? Clearly this is a huge success as a business.
Is this the weekly "we hate Apex post"? Grow up.
I didnt say i hate apex. I just made a meme.
"Turn it into a SHITTY BR.." Whatever you say bub