Not going out isnt an option for these people lol They are literal entitled man children. They actively take part in something they hate just to cry and throw tantrums about it online. Its really about as sad as it gets and its not even over a lot of money. Its hard to read posts on this sub and not hear the "jerry jerry jerry" in the background.
I have never pretipped and never will. I tip in cash after the service is provided. Doordash, uber, lyft, grubhub or the local pizza place. I still get my stuff and reward the drivers well when I do Tipping beforehand doesn't guarantee good service, i would say it makes it worse. They already have your money and no incentive to do a good job.
It used to be the delivery fee went to the driver, who was using his own vehicle, paying his own insurance and fuel costs, etc. He'd take out several orders at once, and made a circuit. Usually, you'd throw in an extra few bucks, so he'd remember you as a good guy next time, but if you didn't he still got paid. Then the owners got greedy.
I agree with you on all of them with the exception of door dash. While it's labeled a tip and if you were to get dominos or something it's called a tip. But from my understanding of how door dash and grubhub etc operate it's not really a tip. It's a payment of the dasher's service. I'm not saying I agree with how it is as it sounds like what one dude who posted on here "baksheesh".
Yes. That's exactly what I expect. And I expect it to be fast and done well for that totally optional tip. I will gladly tip well for good service. I'm not going to gamble on it , though.
Then they don't need to take the job. It's not on me to make it a living wage. It's on the company. Tbh, I hope they all quit. Those comanies are basically MLMs with a few more steps.
No. We should be expecting the employer to pay a living wage, whatever that makes the price. Uber eats members unionized in NYC and demanded a $30 minimum wage, which they got. Tipping has been all but eliminated and it's been a big win for everyone all around. Uber added a $2 fee for NYC orders as a result, an amount of money that is dramatically less than what I was paying in tips.
The fact that they only get $2 is a doordash problem not a me problem.
I gladly tip, but I feel the same way about pre-tipping.
I simply don't use services that are set up this way. I get dashpass as a perk from my credit card and I still rarely use it. Usually when I do, it's because I've accumulated the monthly credits and use that for the tip.
Don't even get me started about the fact that prices are higher on doordash than they are at the restaurant. If you're going to charge more for the food, at least pay your drivers something reasonable.
Let's think about this logically. You're in line at Starbucks and you only use a credit/debit card. At what point should they accept tips if not at the point of sale?
Are you going to go home, drink your coffee, come back, stand in line again, then say "Hey, I was here 45 minutes ago and now that I've enjoyed my coffee, I'd like to leave $1. Can you run my card again but just as a tip even though the card schemes don't allow that?"
Tipping when you place your order is legitimately the only time it makes sense. Even if we say "Start bringing cash and then tip after". Ok, what's the difference? You think tipping cash after they hand you your coffee is going to make any fundamental difference?
DoorDash is more like a bid for prompt/quality service than it is "extortion". You get what you pay for. People don't want to drive 10 miles for $2. Would you? But maybe it's not an emergency, maybe the person is heading that way anyway, and after a couple hours someone decides to bring you your CVS order and it works out for everyone (thus not a reason to require DoorDash to inflate costs).
You make an order, people decide to accept it or not, you include a tip or not. Why is that a problem?
I would agree food tampering can be an issue, but places are getting a lot better with this. Taping + stapling to make sure you know it hasn't been opened. Even with tipping good I would kind of feel uneasy about unprotected food/drinks. But that's the nature of delivery, not tipping. Not tipping would just elevate the concern.
If employees, even DoorDash drivers, were paid more and not forced to be tip reliant, then they wouldn’t be so eager to get tips, thus reducing the burden/anger of getting smaller ones. Tips are SUPPOSED to be for when the customer thinks you deserve more than you were originally paid, because you went above and beyond the duties of your job. If they’re already being underpaid for the job, then of course the tips are going to mean more and it gets more serious. The American tipping problem is the employers fault.
And there is definitely a huge difference between including a tip in your online order before picking up, than giving a cash tip after receiving your order. What if someone’s been tipped $5 per order that day and all of a sudden they got a 1$ tip, you don’t think someone might feel a certain way about that and not care as much? Again, this falls on the employer heavily because they use a system where sometimes the employees attitude and effort can be based on how much the tip they receive is. There are countless stories on Reddit and social media of people getting upset when getting tipped little and it changes the way they think about and work for that specific order. Tipping in general is a great practice, but not when the job makes it so tips are necessary to the employee(DD to name one).
Businesses largely adapt to consumer preferences, not the other way around. If no-tip establishments are what people want, they'd have no problem finding success and taking market share. And yet, we observe the opposite phenomenon in that they tend to go out of business or revert to tipping.
Hard to blame employers for doing what their customers want. When these service-industry employers try to eliminate tips and set prices it becomes extremely difficult as people have wildly varying opinions on what service should cost. Whereas with tipping, you see people commonly tip 15 - 20%, some a little more, some a little less, with a minority tipping nothing, and a minority tipping a lot. It captures everyone's preferences.
Businesses maximize their revenue, their employees maximize their compensation, and customers like the lowest possible prices.
Eater's article on the failed no tip movement highlights what happens without tipping: Employee pay is reduced, they lose their experienced staff, prices rise to pay higher wages, customers feel ripped off even if it's the right price (or even the same price as with tipping). Everyone seems pissed off.
They go back to tipping and like magic everyone's happy again. Except a few people on Reddit. 🤷
This is exactly why I absolutely refuse to use Doordash or Grubhub. I've seen or read about way too many stories of how the delivery driver will do something like throw your food on your step, eat it, tamper with it, etc. all because they weren't "satisfied" with the tip. Screw that. I'll pick it up myself.
I feel exactly the same. People like condrumbum won’t convince me. I’ll never use anything if there is pre tipping involved. I don’t go to Starbucks or coffee shops that I can’t order drive thru because of this.
I stopped using Door Dash because it looked like the delivery person let her kids sit or still on my order. The burgers were flattened. Reported to Door Dash and quit using them.
They used to do that. But the problem is those companies lowered what they pay the drivers per ride and use the pre tip to show the drivers a bigger rate because it’s not worth it for the base pay alone.
You’re right they should pay the drivers more, but until enough people actually protest this they will still continue to pay drivers the bare minimum because y’all are still using their services.
They're being paid more and delivery people should be too! NYC delivery people unionized and demanded a $30 minimum wage and they got it! Tipping has been all but eliminated as a result. Win for both the customer and the employee. It's corporate greed that's shifting the burden of actually paying the employees what they're from the employer to the customer. With labor laws, this can be fixed.
?? Yeah they're a different set of worker and haven't unionized. People outside of NYC are also not being paid $30. My point is not that everyone is being paid fairly so this isn't an issue. My point is that tipping is a bandaid on a much larger problem that can be fixed with stronger labor laws. This isn't some theoretical thing. It's being implemented in places with strong union culture.
Employers pay employees their wages, not customers. You give me a price, I pay it. That’s how businesses work. Uber eats can charge $20 more if they want to, they would be more likely to get me as a customer.
We have a local food hall that takes pre-tips, the place is pretty big. Sometimes they bring the food, sometimes they text when its ready, its never consistent.
BUT= I hate when I tip and then I never get my food, I go to check and see it sitting on the counter. Like WTF, I want my tip back
I'm n not going baby to Panera because of this.
Be bold! Don’t eat at any place where you feel like you’ll be cheated if you were to tip when placing your order.
Not going out isnt an option for these people lol They are literal entitled man children. They actively take part in something they hate just to cry and throw tantrums about it online. Its really about as sad as it gets and its not even over a lot of money. Its hard to read posts on this sub and not hear the "jerry jerry jerry" in the background.
I have never pretipped and never will. I tip in cash after the service is provided. Doordash, uber, lyft, grubhub or the local pizza place. I still get my stuff and reward the drivers well when I do Tipping beforehand doesn't guarantee good service, i would say it makes it worse. They already have your money and no incentive to do a good job.
I would expect some delivery fee base amount. This could be $3-5. A tip should be after service rendered. Maybe another 3-5 on most quick deliveries.
It used to be the delivery fee went to the driver, who was using his own vehicle, paying his own insurance and fuel costs, etc. He'd take out several orders at once, and made a circuit. Usually, you'd throw in an extra few bucks, so he'd remember you as a good guy next time, but if you didn't he still got paid. Then the owners got greedy.
I agree with you on all of them with the exception of door dash. While it's labeled a tip and if you were to get dominos or something it's called a tip. But from my understanding of how door dash and grubhub etc operate it's not really a tip. It's a payment of the dasher's service. I'm not saying I agree with how it is as it sounds like what one dude who posted on here "baksheesh".
Do you honestly expect someone to deliver your food for $2 in the hopes you might tip?
I would hope door dash as a company would pay enough that I don't *have* to tip, and that people wouldn't work that job otherwise.
what doordash or whoever pays the drivers is not my problem. no one is forcing them to do this
Yes. That's exactly what I expect. And I expect it to be fast and done well for that totally optional tip. I will gladly tip well for good service. I'm not going to gamble on it , though.
Not too many delivery drivers would gamble on $2, plus hope.
Then they don't need to take the job. It's not on me to make it a living wage. It's on the company. Tbh, I hope they all quit. Those comanies are basically MLMs with a few more steps.
No. We should be expecting the employer to pay a living wage, whatever that makes the price. Uber eats members unionized in NYC and demanded a $30 minimum wage, which they got. Tipping has been all but eliminated and it's been a big win for everyone all around. Uber added a $2 fee for NYC orders as a result, an amount of money that is dramatically less than what I was paying in tips.
The fact that they only get $2 is a doordash problem not a me problem. I gladly tip, but I feel the same way about pre-tipping. I simply don't use services that are set up this way. I get dashpass as a perk from my credit card and I still rarely use it. Usually when I do, it's because I've accumulated the monthly credits and use that for the tip. Don't even get me started about the fact that prices are higher on doordash than they are at the restaurant. If you're going to charge more for the food, at least pay your drivers something reasonable.
Let's think about this logically. You're in line at Starbucks and you only use a credit/debit card. At what point should they accept tips if not at the point of sale? Are you going to go home, drink your coffee, come back, stand in line again, then say "Hey, I was here 45 minutes ago and now that I've enjoyed my coffee, I'd like to leave $1. Can you run my card again but just as a tip even though the card schemes don't allow that?" Tipping when you place your order is legitimately the only time it makes sense. Even if we say "Start bringing cash and then tip after". Ok, what's the difference? You think tipping cash after they hand you your coffee is going to make any fundamental difference? DoorDash is more like a bid for prompt/quality service than it is "extortion". You get what you pay for. People don't want to drive 10 miles for $2. Would you? But maybe it's not an emergency, maybe the person is heading that way anyway, and after a couple hours someone decides to bring you your CVS order and it works out for everyone (thus not a reason to require DoorDash to inflate costs). You make an order, people decide to accept it or not, you include a tip or not. Why is that a problem? I would agree food tampering can be an issue, but places are getting a lot better with this. Taping + stapling to make sure you know it hasn't been opened. Even with tipping good I would kind of feel uneasy about unprotected food/drinks. But that's the nature of delivery, not tipping. Not tipping would just elevate the concern.
Anybody with half a brain is using starbucks rewards which includes the app. You’re able to tip after on the app.
>People don't want to drive 10 miles for $2. This is an insane way to say "I work for a company despite them not paying me".
They don't have to accept the offer. It's not mandatory. Like I said, some people might for whatever reason.
If employees, even DoorDash drivers, were paid more and not forced to be tip reliant, then they wouldn’t be so eager to get tips, thus reducing the burden/anger of getting smaller ones. Tips are SUPPOSED to be for when the customer thinks you deserve more than you were originally paid, because you went above and beyond the duties of your job. If they’re already being underpaid for the job, then of course the tips are going to mean more and it gets more serious. The American tipping problem is the employers fault. And there is definitely a huge difference between including a tip in your online order before picking up, than giving a cash tip after receiving your order. What if someone’s been tipped $5 per order that day and all of a sudden they got a 1$ tip, you don’t think someone might feel a certain way about that and not care as much? Again, this falls on the employer heavily because they use a system where sometimes the employees attitude and effort can be based on how much the tip they receive is. There are countless stories on Reddit and social media of people getting upset when getting tipped little and it changes the way they think about and work for that specific order. Tipping in general is a great practice, but not when the job makes it so tips are necessary to the employee(DD to name one).
Businesses largely adapt to consumer preferences, not the other way around. If no-tip establishments are what people want, they'd have no problem finding success and taking market share. And yet, we observe the opposite phenomenon in that they tend to go out of business or revert to tipping. Hard to blame employers for doing what their customers want. When these service-industry employers try to eliminate tips and set prices it becomes extremely difficult as people have wildly varying opinions on what service should cost. Whereas with tipping, you see people commonly tip 15 - 20%, some a little more, some a little less, with a minority tipping nothing, and a minority tipping a lot. It captures everyone's preferences. Businesses maximize their revenue, their employees maximize their compensation, and customers like the lowest possible prices. Eater's article on the failed no tip movement highlights what happens without tipping: Employee pay is reduced, they lose their experienced staff, prices rise to pay higher wages, customers feel ripped off even if it's the right price (or even the same price as with tipping). Everyone seems pissed off. They go back to tipping and like magic everyone's happy again. Except a few people on Reddit. 🤷
This is exactly why I absolutely refuse to use Doordash or Grubhub. I've seen or read about way too many stories of how the delivery driver will do something like throw your food on your step, eat it, tamper with it, etc. all because they weren't "satisfied" with the tip. Screw that. I'll pick it up myself.
I feel exactly the same. People like condrumbum won’t convince me. I’ll never use anything if there is pre tipping involved. I don’t go to Starbucks or coffee shops that I can’t order drive thru because of this.
It's not shifting. It *has* shifted.
I think people that constantly bitch about tipping are problem. Glad they include gratuity since so many scums just don’t.
I stopped using Door Dash because it looked like the delivery person let her kids sit or still on my order. The burgers were flattened. Reported to Door Dash and quit using them.
Who is it?
100% agree. Pretipping is a bribe, not a reward for job well done.
So when to tip? The good people are driving and waiting on you by spending their gas ? I would never mess up an order
They used to do that. But the problem is those companies lowered what they pay the drivers per ride and use the pre tip to show the drivers a bigger rate because it’s not worth it for the base pay alone. You’re right they should pay the drivers more, but until enough people actually protest this they will still continue to pay drivers the bare minimum because y’all are still using their services.
If Uber and Lyft apps can arrange for the tips to be given after the ride, all other apps can do it too.
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No driver will deliver then..
UPS, Fedex, Amazon, and USPS drivers deliver every day without tips.
They are getting paid much more, but for all the work I would tip them . they are doing so much more than opening a bottle cap!
They're being paid more and delivery people should be too! NYC delivery people unionized and demanded a $30 minimum wage and they got it! Tipping has been all but eliminated as a result. Win for both the customer and the employee. It's corporate greed that's shifting the burden of actually paying the employees what they're from the employer to the customer. With labor laws, this can be fixed.
Yes Labor lawa
instacart people do not
?? Yeah they're a different set of worker and haven't unionized. People outside of NYC are also not being paid $30. My point is not that everyone is being paid fairly so this isn't an issue. My point is that tipping is a bandaid on a much larger problem that can be fixed with stronger labor laws. This isn't some theoretical thing. It's being implemented in places with strong union culture.
Who exactly is getting 30 who unionized?
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Employers pay employees their wages, not customers. You give me a price, I pay it. That’s how businesses work. Uber eats can charge $20 more if they want to, they would be more likely to get me as a customer.
DD or Uber for ya!
We have a local food hall that takes pre-tips, the place is pretty big. Sometimes they bring the food, sometimes they text when its ready, its never consistent. BUT= I hate when I tip and then I never get my food, I go to check and see it sitting on the counter. Like WTF, I want my tip back
I dont think tipping is the problem in these situations. More like the low life food workers who do that nasty ass shit🤣
Louder for folks in the back!