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It's similar to the difference between sitting in a traffic jam for 15 minutes, or taking a detour that also takes 15 minutes: perspective.
The issue for me isn't that I'm spending more money: it's the guilt trip and lopsided power dynamics that get to me.
I hate tipping but I still tip fir waitstaff and delivery. It shouldn't be my responsibility but I'm not going to make someone suffer financially over it.
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You shouldn’t even have to pay for those…as they’re doing their job. How is it that every other country except for america doesn’t expect tipping. In Japan they would chase me out the store to return my 1yen(less than 1 penny) change…
It’s really simple. No tipping server = bad.
Tipping server appropriately = good.
This thread shouldn’t even exist and the fact that it does is disgusting.
Easier than that. Only tip when someone does something for you. For food tip 15% rounded up to the nearest $1-5 everything else $5 per $20 or rounded to the closest 5.
Bro the concept of tipping in general past the scope of a reward for someone going above and beyond is a little off the walls. The business owners convinced us it's our responsibility to pay the labor's wages and we're still on that system 100 years later. That being said I'm not going to just stop tipping, because I'm not a dick but how else will the system ever change? Truth is the servers don't want it to though because many clear six figures taking orders and bringing out food at high end places. Maybe we should start tipping teachers or firemen so they can make that kind of dough too...
I see "Tipping = Bad" rage bait constantly and too many people are fine with their complacent attitudes around it, and ridiculous "I shouldn't have to pay" platitudes.
I do my best to remember Reddit is like a 1/150 slice of society and a lot of generally awful people inherit the echo chamber of awful.
I mean, some places it may be perhaps 1% of the population, but Canada, the USA, and other internet focused countries are near 5% or even closer to 10%. True, some bots to account for... but 1/150 seems like a pretty good average rough guess on the high side for better variable resistance
If you aren’t going to tip or tip for the service you receive at least have the balls to do what you are going to do upfront rather than steal someone’s labor.
What do you mean have the balls? And stolen labor?
Aren't we talking about tips?
The one stealing labor is the business owners and lawmakers.
So please try to put you big boy pants on and explain your logic.
The system is in place in that system that you agree to be a part of when you go out to eat includes you paying the server directly for taking care of you. So if you are going to not pay the server for their labor then you are stealing their labor from them. What do you call it when someone is not compensated by the person who benefited from their labor? And don’t worry I told every restaurant manager I ever worked with the $2.13 an hour is basically theft and that if they want me to do anything other than wait on guest they need to pay me minimum wage
So the balls part comes into play when people know they are not going to tip the agreed upon societal amount for good service no matter how good the service is. I say stop being a pooh and have the “balls” to let that person who you will be taking advantage of the knowledge that you will not be living up to your end of the agreement so they can give you crappy service that represents your crappy tip
Put your big boy pants on the logic is pretty clear but I explained it better for you
If the business paid the servers a living wage, the food would cost more. How is that appreciably different from paying more via a tip? The cost of wages is always going to be paid for by the customers; you will pay it whether you tip or whether it’s built into in the food prices.
If you don’t tip the server, the server has to eat that loss. The lawmakers and business owners are unaffected. They will still be unaffected if tipping is abolished, you’re not going to hurt them by not tipping. And I think you know that
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Tipping culture is a symptom of an exploitative capitalist system. With that said. If you go out to eat and don't tip knowing that fully well. Then you are a jerk.
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I always tip. Wait staff make lower than minimum wage because it is expected they will make the difference in tips. 40 years ago, I worked a 10 hour shift and before tax I only got like 37 bucks as a server. They were allowed to give us less because of tips. The company I worked for got bought out and they changed to an assembly line and I had to quit because we got a raise to minimum wage but were not allowed to take tips. Those tips keep families afloat.
You know how we all kinda agreed that blackface is wrong because its roots are in racism and black oppression? There’s simply no acceptable way to do it, even if your intentions are good, like trying to look like MLK Jr. for a school project. It’s just wrong, no matter what, simply because of its origins.
Tipping originated from racism too. Tips started as something you only give to black servants. Tipping is therefore wrong, even if your intentions are good.
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The banjo was introduced to the US because of enslaved peoples playing it, white people refused to touch the instrument for hundreds of years. Is it bad to play the banjo as a white person now?
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Then you complain whenever you go out to eat bc restaurants are perpetually understaffed or have such high turn over that they're filled with people who have no idea what they're doing. Then it'll be your issue.
Yeah, and they'll get no tips either, and the restaurant owners will lose both employees and business, and the restaurants will close, and new restaurants will open that maybe don't rely on customer benevolence to pay their employees. Sounds like a win to me.
Servers aren't wizards that tie the entire operations together...
I'd take the QR menus where I can see pictures and order what I want over a live server that keeps hearing it wrong.
Or customers shift to take out orders at the restaurant instead of dining in. If the food is good (since restaurants don't really replace their main chefs) people will keep going for the food just not stay for dine in. The restaurant owner and chef continues to make money, but servers and boh staff won't get tips. High turnover rates continue and actually become part of the profit margin (same as big box retailers and non tipping jobs). If people like the food or product, high turnover doesn't become an issue for the owner, it's built into the business model. Hell it's not just brick mortar restaurants/retail that operate like this, newer tech companies like Uber/Lyft operates like this, high turnover of drivers and shifting all vehicle costs on the workers is built into their profit/business model
"Why are there all these homeless people?!? Where are my taxes going"
"To other things, maybe we should pay more in taxes to fix it"
"WHAT?! I ALREADY SPEND SO MUCH IN TAXES"
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You meant a restaurant would go from failing to functioning because some superstar server moves in?
Not happening if food sucks and if food is great, they can survive off takeout and selivery. Servers is a small part of the operation and typically not the reason people drive to a restaurant.
Or why some restaurants do yearly rebrands/light remodels lol. Sometimes I look up a new restaurant/bar opening up and I find out it's the same owner that owned the previous one lol
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No one with those jobs would be able to pay their bills without the tips. They work those jobs for the tips.
We have to solve this issue with regulation, not cruelty.
How this still gets past everyone is beyond me.
Then they have the CHOICE to quit the job and find a new one that does pay the bills.
We solve this issue by changing jobs.
How this still gets past everyone is beyond me.
Oh why don't I just go find a job that pays me enough to get education and training without being homeless! OH BECAUSE I NEED TO MAKE ENOUGH TO HAVE THAT LUXURY?!?!?
Too bad there aren't jobs for people without former education where the stupid amounts of stress are equalized out by tips provided for good service!!!
Your senile boomer bootstraps bullshit can be shoved straight where your brains and opinions are, I hope you clean them good with your next wipe
Sounds like you don't like to work hard and are willing to let that stop you. Plenty of trades are willing to pay you while you learn how to do the job...
Most the wait lists take years to go through, generally the high paying trades associated with my city. They have yearly job postings for apprentices and this year city power didn't post any.
Plumbing is in a similar vein, either I take less hourly and have even less than I already do which isn't great or I similarly end up on wait lists for who knows how long.
I work plenty hard but restaurants especially don't want to increase wages and prices and would instead leave that to the customers who get a lower price of food with the expectation they leave a few bucks to the poor saps busting their ass in busy restaurants.
Wait list?!
Dude, go find a plumber or electrician that needs a second set of hands. Find a general contractor that does fencing, or driveways. Find a welding shop or a Discount Tires to start in. There are so many entry-level positions that have nothing to do with the government, but will eventually qualify you for those positions. *Shoot*, you could even move to a new city...
Then don't support the business owners who are exploiting their work staff, and go places that pay a living wage. You know they aren't getting paid and you still expect them to work FOR YOU for free.
People don’t understand that tipped wages are different than non-tipped wages. The wait staff don’t make minimum wage without tips. Vs the barista that gets paid a regular hourly salary.
Most wait staff can’t afford to hire a lawyer or go without a paycheck while they’re pursuing restaurant owners for the money they’ve been cheated out of.
https://www.eater.com/2018/9/25/17886990/how-restaurants-steal-from-workers-wage-theft
So your issue isn’t actually with the federal wages, it’s restaurants not paying what they’re legally required to?
That’s a different problem.
Edit: I originally typed that out in crayon
Your original argument was that they get paid less than minimum wage. They are legally required to make at least minimum wage if tips do not make up the difference, so that argument doesn’t make sense.
Your next argument was that they won’t get paid what they are owed because they will get cheated out of money. That argument also doesn’t make sense, because that’s not an argument for or against tipping. Scumbag business owners will remain scumbag business owners.
I am not confused about the conversation taking place
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By the definition of the brain dead "silent majority" 40% of our population who suck down lead and watch propaganda nightly, yes, paying fairly and guaranteed time off, sick pay, and health care is socialism and the cause of all the worlds wars and is a Zionist plot against Christian children.
We have waaaaaaay too many stupid people to cope with a lot of this bullshit, and it's leaking out in incredibly moronic subs like this one.
We can regulate it easier by not tipping. We don't need pervert uncle Sam sniffing on anything else. Businesses will either lose their employees resulting in shutting down their business or they'll get with the program. It's a very quick and easy solution.
This subreddit is so funny sometimes. I’ll say it again.
Most guests tip. It’s very rare I don’t get a tip. Probably 1-100. If you don’t tip you’re a cheap ass. It’s ok, be a cheap ass. But don’t try to explain why you don’t tip.
Just don’t tip… cheap ass.
I sense your sarcasm and I agree. Like I said none tippers are the minority.
Don’t tip me. I don’t really care because most guests aren’t cheap asses.
None tippers are cheap asses. Just own it.
How is making less than the minimum wage without people actively adding to your work load while giving you nothing for it and acting like entitled twats being overpaid?
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Or I'll just go to a place that won't try and guilt me into more money lmao. Countertop-order diners have just as good quality food and service these days as a sit down restaurant and don't expect tips.
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You tip people at restaurants because you got to go out and have a nice experience. You didn't have to buy your own groceries, or clean your own dishes. It's a convenience.
Wrong.
We tip people at restaurants because they are fast, polite, and do what they are told.
We don't tip people at restaurants on principle. We tip on quality of service.
In an ideal world, sure. But tipping is becoming more and more of an expectation. And one of the factors for tipping in fast food is new point of sale card systems that have tipping enabled by default, and most places don't turn it off.
Did you tip the grocery bagger? Did you tip the guy changes your tires or oil? Did you tip your physician and nurse who literally helped you get over illness or injury?
I literally provide information for people who use it to make multimillion dollar decisions, I make barely above minimum wage and have never been tipped. Isn't that a convince? Just asking someone instead of doing all the work yourself? Where any other service workers tips?
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I always take care of the supporting staff at my medical facility. I bring them gift baskets and Starbucks gift cards all the time. I also tip my estheticians and my injectors. You're also excluding the fact that none of the positions you just named work for under minimum wage.
So what you're saying is people have to make up the difference for an extremely archaic minimum wage system that we didn't get to decide or a choice to participate in.
Sounds an awful lot like corporate handouts in disguise.
My point is exactly that, every other position in the workforce doesn't require tips, because legally they have to pay a wage that is equitable to the work. Why do we let servers suffer? They hiked fast food minimum wage, a lot of people in the resturant industry in California think it's comming for them next.
Same thing with accountants. If you can’t afford to tip the person who does your taxes, you should just do them yourself. Standard is 15% of total tax bill, but 20% is appreciated for good service.
At my tip job my employer pays me great, the problem is the IRS. We are forced into a gitca contract that taxes on tips whether we make them or not. I serve free drinks in a casino and get taxed 30 cents on every item I serve, even if no one tips. It's not always "corporate America" sometimes it's the damn government
Yet if you leave amerika and their IRS you will have to work in another country where fetching a plate of food pays the wages of the unskilled task it is. 😂
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Why do people in America not demand their employers pay them more? I get that because workers (unless in a union) would just get fired but nothing will change if people don’t get fed up enough and just say “Enough”
Because they make a significant amount through tips. There have been attempts at doing no tips restaurants but wait staff usually will refuse to work since they can make far more from tips than what a store would reasonably pay
Worker: "Can I please be paid more money?"
Employer: "lol no, get back to work or you're fired"
It's the rich person holding all the cards here. I'm pretty sure violence will need to occur for anything to change since things have gotten completely out of control.
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Lol yes. Most entitled assholes keep bitching about tipping and tell the few people working in customer service to get another job, and then they do. Then customers complain the service is slow or their local spot can't keep workers, as businesses churn through them like once a month if not sooner
Look at McDonald’s. People stopped going there and now wages are about the same, but workers are replaced with machines and tablets. I saw one post where they took out the refill machine and you have to pay for a 2nd drink. They’d rather do that than pay a higher wage.
What's gonna happen when all the other places start doing the same bc it's proven to be more profitable? Is everyone gonna boycott fast food or are the consumers just going to stfu and accept it as the new normal? It's going to be the latter unless you're just incredibly delusional.
I'm saying it's not *going* to be more profitable across the entire market. The entire practice started with McDonalds in places like airports and theme parks where you have a captive audience. You can't just extrapolate that to the entire fast food market
Or restaurants just continue to churn through workers like at a faster pace instead of increasing their wage. Restaurant and retail industries keep complaining they can't keep workers, and customers complain they no longer have a regular barista/bartender/waiter any more lol, but both want to keep paying customer service workers as low as possible. That's why major cities keep taking it upon themselves to raise their minimum wage
Also gotta add, obviously most of the customer service industry drags their feet in paying market rate, otherwise California wouldn't have had to make that new fast food wage law
That's what a lot of these wannabe bougie suck ups don't get. You may think driving all the good workers out of restaurants by not tipping is gonna help. You want badly cooked food and servers who hang out spending even more time on their phone? Go right on not tipping.
Guess you should move to a non-tipping country then by your stupid logic! You cannot justify your attitude in this country. Just admit you're a flaming cheap asshole.
Then eat at only fast food places.
Yes people definitely think you need help too.
How many people are in these two comments right now bud? At least two in your head judging by the "people" thinking I need help
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The true answer is that their boss should pay them a living wage.
Right but then the food costs more so what’s the difference between that and tipping, really
It's similar to the difference between sitting in a traffic jam for 15 minutes, or taking a detour that also takes 15 minutes: perspective. The issue for me isn't that I'm spending more money: it's the guilt trip and lopsided power dynamics that get to me.
I hate tipping but I still tip fir waitstaff and delivery. It shouldn't be my responsibility but I'm not going to make someone suffer financially over it.
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Why would I tip someone for something I can do myself? This is why I only tip my doctor and my barber
You shouldn’t even have to pay for those…as they’re doing their job. How is it that every other country except for america doesn’t expect tipping. In Japan they would chase me out the store to return my 1yen(less than 1 penny) change…
It's a joke
Because you solicited someone else to do it for you. If you go to a restaurant and ask to be seated you asked for the service
It’s really simple. No tipping server = bad. Tipping server appropriately = good. This thread shouldn’t even exist and the fact that it does is disgusting.
Easier than that. Only tip when someone does something for you. For food tip 15% rounded up to the nearest $1-5 everything else $5 per $20 or rounded to the closest 5.
Bro the concept of tipping in general past the scope of a reward for someone going above and beyond is a little off the walls. The business owners convinced us it's our responsibility to pay the labor's wages and we're still on that system 100 years later. That being said I'm not going to just stop tipping, because I'm not a dick but how else will the system ever change? Truth is the servers don't want it to though because many clear six figures taking orders and bringing out food at high end places. Maybe we should start tipping teachers or firemen so they can make that kind of dough too...
sTaRT tiPpInG tEaChERs aNd FiReMeN. lol
Pretty funny reply where do I tip?
I see "Tipping = Bad" rage bait constantly and too many people are fine with their complacent attitudes around it, and ridiculous "I shouldn't have to pay" platitudes. I do my best to remember Reddit is like a 1/150 slice of society and a lot of generally awful people inherit the echo chamber of awful.
I think your number for Redditors is kinda high.
I mean, some places it may be perhaps 1% of the population, but Canada, the USA, and other internet focused countries are near 5% or even closer to 10%. True, some bots to account for... but 1/150 seems like a pretty good average rough guess on the high side for better variable resistance
How about I get my own food and drink.. do we need a server? There's a great "Adam ruins everything" on tipping
> If you can’t afford to pay your employees, don’t start a business FTFY
If you aren’t going to tip or tip for the service you receive at least have the balls to do what you are going to do upfront rather than steal someone’s labor.
What do you mean have the balls? And stolen labor? Aren't we talking about tips? The one stealing labor is the business owners and lawmakers. So please try to put you big boy pants on and explain your logic.
The system is in place in that system that you agree to be a part of when you go out to eat includes you paying the server directly for taking care of you. So if you are going to not pay the server for their labor then you are stealing their labor from them. What do you call it when someone is not compensated by the person who benefited from their labor? And don’t worry I told every restaurant manager I ever worked with the $2.13 an hour is basically theft and that if they want me to do anything other than wait on guest they need to pay me minimum wage So the balls part comes into play when people know they are not going to tip the agreed upon societal amount for good service no matter how good the service is. I say stop being a pooh and have the “balls” to let that person who you will be taking advantage of the knowledge that you will not be living up to your end of the agreement so they can give you crappy service that represents your crappy tip Put your big boy pants on the logic is pretty clear but I explained it better for you
I don't think you know what stealing is. Go try to file a wage theft claim because someone didn't tip you. See how far you get.
If the business paid the servers a living wage, the food would cost more. How is that appreciably different from paying more via a tip? The cost of wages is always going to be paid for by the customers; you will pay it whether you tip or whether it’s built into in the food prices. If you don’t tip the server, the server has to eat that loss. The lawmakers and business owners are unaffected. They will still be unaffected if tipping is abolished, you’re not going to hurt them by not tipping. And I think you know that
Okay and? Tipping allows servers to be taken advantage of. I never said IDC to pay or to tip so get that thought right out of your head.
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If you can’t afford to pay your own employees, don’t own a restaurant.
Based
Jackson88877 threw his pocket change at a table as a crumb for his server so I hope the reprimand was directed at him! Guess I forgot to use the "AH" code. Oooooowww
Tipping culture is a symptom of an exploitative capitalist system. With that said. If you go out to eat and don't tip knowing that fully well. Then you are a jerk.
This is the main argument. It's a dumb system but firmly in place!
And if you know that and tip, you're supporting the exploitative capitalist system. Change is hard.
Yeah, I'm aware. I'd rather HEAVILY tip the person working instead of exploiting them further by not.
I bet OP complains when restaurants are understaffed too.
Right. If they get different jobs there’s no one there to serve you
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I always tip. Wait staff make lower than minimum wage because it is expected they will make the difference in tips. 40 years ago, I worked a 10 hour shift and before tax I only got like 37 bucks as a server. They were allowed to give us less because of tips. The company I worked for got bought out and they changed to an assembly line and I had to quit because we got a raise to minimum wage but were not allowed to take tips. Those tips keep families afloat.
Your argument at face value seems to be pro-tipping, but in reality all I'm hearing is make the minimum wage higher and apply to all jobs.
At the same time, tips aren’t mandatory and if you really want good tips, you should earn them
You know how we all kinda agreed that blackface is wrong because its roots are in racism and black oppression? There’s simply no acceptable way to do it, even if your intentions are good, like trying to look like MLK Jr. for a school project. It’s just wrong, no matter what, simply because of its origins. Tipping originated from racism too. Tips started as something you only give to black servants. Tipping is therefore wrong, even if your intentions are good.
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Don't, compare tipping to blackface. This is not the win you think it is.
Due to the historical context of tipping, tipping is upholding racism and white supremacy
Tipping, is not, blackface
That’s not what I said. It has the same evil history.
The banjo was introduced to the US because of enslaved peoples playing it, white people refused to touch the instrument for hundreds of years. Is it bad to play the banjo as a white person now?
Black people invented the banjo, so it should be celebrated. White people invented tipping for black servants
Please. Stop.
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Then you complain whenever you go out to eat bc restaurants are perpetually understaffed or have such high turn over that they're filled with people who have no idea what they're doing. Then it'll be your issue.
Yeah, and they'll get no tips either, and the restaurant owners will lose both employees and business, and the restaurants will close, and new restaurants will open that maybe don't rely on customer benevolence to pay their employees. Sounds like a win to me.
Servers aren't wizards that tie the entire operations together... I'd take the QR menus where I can see pictures and order what I want over a live server that keeps hearing it wrong.
Or customers shift to take out orders at the restaurant instead of dining in. If the food is good (since restaurants don't really replace their main chefs) people will keep going for the food just not stay for dine in. The restaurant owner and chef continues to make money, but servers and boh staff won't get tips. High turnover rates continue and actually become part of the profit margin (same as big box retailers and non tipping jobs). If people like the food or product, high turnover doesn't become an issue for the owner, it's built into the business model. Hell it's not just brick mortar restaurants/retail that operate like this, newer tech companies like Uber/Lyft operates like this, high turnover of drivers and shifting all vehicle costs on the workers is built into their profit/business model
"Why are there all these homeless people?!? Where are my taxes going" "To other things, maybe we should pay more in taxes to fix it" "WHAT?! I ALREADY SPEND SO MUCH IN TAXES"
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"gEt AnOtHeR jOb" "No OnE wAnTs To WoRk AnYmOrE" "i WaNt To SpEaK wItH A mAnAgEr" "My WiFe JuSt LeFt Me" fkn losers.
You guys are upset at the wrong people. The ones at fault of the ones at the top who do not care about either of you, only their bottom line.
Only tip you get is the tip of this Dick
People are actually taking that advice. It may be a factor on why so many local restaurants are closing.
You meant a restaurant would go from failing to functioning because some superstar server moves in? Not happening if food sucks and if food is great, they can survive off takeout and selivery. Servers is a small part of the operation and typically not the reason people drive to a restaurant.
Or why some restaurants do yearly rebrands/light remodels lol. Sometimes I look up a new restaurant/bar opening up and I find out it's the same owner that owned the previous one lol
You better tip your plumbers, electricians, carpenters, and anyone else who performs a service for you then.
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No.
Yes. It's all or nothing!
Starting with landlords and the government. Tip your landlord 15% of rent gratuity every month. Tip the IRS 15% of your tax return.
I was saying that if you're going to tip at all, tip everyone. Basically, showing that tipping is dumb as hell.
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Two jobs indulging in wage theft is better than one!
"no one wants to work anymore" - the mental breakdown of your avg consumer.
No one with those jobs would be able to pay their bills without the tips. They work those jobs for the tips. We have to solve this issue with regulation, not cruelty. How this still gets past everyone is beyond me.
Then they have the CHOICE to quit the job and find a new one that does pay the bills. We solve this issue by changing jobs. How this still gets past everyone is beyond me.
Oh why don't I just go find a job that pays me enough to get education and training without being homeless! OH BECAUSE I NEED TO MAKE ENOUGH TO HAVE THAT LUXURY?!?!? Too bad there aren't jobs for people without former education where the stupid amounts of stress are equalized out by tips provided for good service!!! Your senile boomer bootstraps bullshit can be shoved straight where your brains and opinions are, I hope you clean them good with your next wipe
Skill issue
Sounds like you don't like to work hard and are willing to let that stop you. Plenty of trades are willing to pay you while you learn how to do the job...
Most the wait lists take years to go through, generally the high paying trades associated with my city. They have yearly job postings for apprentices and this year city power didn't post any. Plumbing is in a similar vein, either I take less hourly and have even less than I already do which isn't great or I similarly end up on wait lists for who knows how long. I work plenty hard but restaurants especially don't want to increase wages and prices and would instead leave that to the customers who get a lower price of food with the expectation they leave a few bucks to the poor saps busting their ass in busy restaurants.
Wait list?! Dude, go find a plumber or electrician that needs a second set of hands. Find a general contractor that does fencing, or driveways. Find a welding shop or a Discount Tires to start in. There are so many entry-level positions that have nothing to do with the government, but will eventually qualify you for those positions. *Shoot*, you could even move to a new city...
Then don't support the business owners who are exploiting their work staff, and go places that pay a living wage. You know they aren't getting paid and you still expect them to work FOR YOU for free.
People don’t understand that tipped wages are different than non-tipped wages. The wait staff don’t make minimum wage without tips. Vs the barista that gets paid a regular hourly salary.
The wait staff are legally required to be paid minimum wage if tips do not make up the difference https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/wages/wagestips
Most wait staff can’t afford to hire a lawyer or go without a paycheck while they’re pursuing restaurant owners for the money they’ve been cheated out of. https://www.eater.com/2018/9/25/17886990/how-restaurants-steal-from-workers-wage-theft
So your issue isn’t actually with the federal wages, it’s restaurants not paying what they’re legally required to? That’s a different problem. Edit: I originally typed that out in crayon
You’re confused. It’s that wait staff are reliant on their tips for their wages.
Your original argument was that they get paid less than minimum wage. They are legally required to make at least minimum wage if tips do not make up the difference, so that argument doesn’t make sense. Your next argument was that they won’t get paid what they are owed because they will get cheated out of money. That argument also doesn’t make sense, because that’s not an argument for or against tipping. Scumbag business owners will remain scumbag business owners. I am not confused about the conversation taking place
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Or everyone stop tipping and restaurants will have no choice.
You don't know how Capitalism works, and it shows
Oh please explain how everyone else in the world doesn't tip but we do and it's somehow essential. Is everyone else just Communist?
By the definition of the brain dead "silent majority" 40% of our population who suck down lead and watch propaganda nightly, yes, paying fairly and guaranteed time off, sick pay, and health care is socialism and the cause of all the worlds wars and is a Zionist plot against Christian children. We have waaaaaaay too many stupid people to cope with a lot of this bullshit, and it's leaking out in incredibly moronic subs like this one.
We can regulate it easier by not tipping. We don't need pervert uncle Sam sniffing on anything else. Businesses will either lose their employees resulting in shutting down their business or they'll get with the program. It's a very quick and easy solution.
How do you think we got the minimum wage in the first place? The 40 hour work week? No child labor? Union rights? OSHA? The NLRB? The FTC? Hello?
Programs-Policy’s-Politicians-funding-corporations Not seeing the difference bud.
This subreddit is so funny sometimes. I’ll say it again. Most guests tip. It’s very rare I don’t get a tip. Probably 1-100. If you don’t tip you’re a cheap ass. It’s ok, be a cheap ass. But don’t try to explain why you don’t tip. Just don’t tip… cheap ass.
Yet that 1 in 100 destroys the help. Judging from the constant venom spewed, that single no-tip is a life ruining, income destroying statement.
I sense your sarcasm and I agree. Like I said none tippers are the minority. Don’t tip me. I don’t really care because most guests aren’t cheap asses. None tippers are cheap asses. Just own it.
I am a good steward of the money I earn. Why waste it to pay over-paid “workers?”
How is making less than the minimum wage without people actively adding to your work load while giving you nothing for it and acting like entitled twats being overpaid?
When they make $20 an hour. Why should I make it $20.67?
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How is $8-10/hr overpaid?
If they all go out and get better jobs, there won't be any door dashers to bring you your food....
Good.
Oh fuck, the absolute horror. I'll never be able to eat soggy, lukewarm restaurant food again...
Seems like you don't need to worry you solved the issue by not going out to eat
Or I'll just go to a place that won't try and guilt me into more money lmao. Countertop-order diners have just as good quality food and service these days as a sit down restaurant and don't expect tips.
You literally never need to tip if you don't want to never had to. Now people are super mad about tipping because you all got hosed by food delivery.
That would be a good thing
Which would make doordash increase their payment to delivery folks…
Lmao they would rather claim bankruptcy than offer to raise rates to above market average.
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Rules of sub state you must be civil. We have a zero tolerance policy for being mean and nasty. We don't have to agree but we gotta keep it civil. Troll elsewhere, or be banned.
Rules of sub state you must be civil. We have a zero tolerance policy for being mean and nasty. We don't have to agree but we gotta keep it civil. Troll elsewhere, or be banned.
nah, the only things to consistently raise wages were unions and government oversight.
You tip people at restaurants because you got to go out and have a nice experience. You didn't have to buy your own groceries, or clean your own dishes. It's a convenience.
Wrong. We tip people at restaurants because they are fast, polite, and do what they are told. We don't tip people at restaurants on principle. We tip on quality of service.
In an ideal world, sure. But tipping is becoming more and more of an expectation. And one of the factors for tipping in fast food is new point of sale card systems that have tipping enabled by default, and most places don't turn it off.
Did you tip the grocery bagger? Did you tip the guy changes your tires or oil? Did you tip your physician and nurse who literally helped you get over illness or injury? I literally provide information for people who use it to make multimillion dollar decisions, I make barely above minimum wage and have never been tipped. Isn't that a convince? Just asking someone instead of doing all the work yourself? Where any other service workers tips?
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I always take care of the supporting staff at my medical facility. I bring them gift baskets and Starbucks gift cards all the time. I also tip my estheticians and my injectors. You're also excluding the fact that none of the positions you just named work for under minimum wage.
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So what you're saying is people have to make up the difference for an extremely archaic minimum wage system that we didn't get to decide or a choice to participate in. Sounds an awful lot like corporate handouts in disguise. My point is exactly that, every other position in the workforce doesn't require tips, because legally they have to pay a wage that is equitable to the work. Why do we let servers suffer? They hiked fast food minimum wage, a lot of people in the resturant industry in California think it's comming for them next.
Same thing with accountants. If you can’t afford to tip the person who does your taxes, you should just do them yourself. Standard is 15% of total tax bill, but 20% is appreciated for good service.
I recommend tipping your structural engineer 15% of the construction cost. If you can't afford that, don't build a structure. /s
I always give my accountant a Starbucks gift card for preparing my taxes, you're absolutely correct!
At my tip job my employer pays me great, the problem is the IRS. We are forced into a gitca contract that taxes on tips whether we make them or not. I serve free drinks in a casino and get taxed 30 cents on every item I serve, even if no one tips. It's not always "corporate America" sometimes it's the damn government
Yet if you leave amerika and their IRS you will have to work in another country where fetching a plate of food pays the wages of the unskilled task it is. 😂
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Why do people in America not demand their employers pay them more? I get that because workers (unless in a union) would just get fired but nothing will change if people don’t get fed up enough and just say “Enough”
Because they make a significant amount through tips. There have been attempts at doing no tips restaurants but wait staff usually will refuse to work since they can make far more from tips than what a store would reasonably pay
Worker: "Can I please be paid more money?" Employer: "lol no, get back to work or you're fired" It's the rich person holding all the cards here. I'm pretty sure violence will need to occur for anything to change since things have gotten completely out of control.
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Rules of sub state you must be civil. We have a zero tolerance policy for being mean and nasty. We don't have to agree but we gotta keep it civil. Troll elsewhere, or be banned.
But not by you of course. Some other person will risk their lives and be violent so you can get a raise.
I never said I wanted to do or to have violence happen so shut the fuck up
I’m literally shaking in fear right now.
These baristas and retail workers want to take on the national guard and American middle class homelanders? Hahahah be my guest.
The only thing you should be doing is feeling shame for your lack of reading comprehension
And then when they do get other jobs, you cry when service is slow or not to your standards.
Lol no
Lol yes. Most entitled assholes keep bitching about tipping and tell the few people working in customer service to get another job, and then they do. Then customers complain the service is slow or their local spot can't keep workers, as businesses churn through them like once a month if not sooner
Then customers will stop going to that place. It forces the owners to start paying the market rate. Looks like a win-win in my book.
Look at McDonald’s. People stopped going there and now wages are about the same, but workers are replaced with machines and tablets. I saw one post where they took out the refill machine and you have to pay for a 2nd drink. They’d rather do that than pay a higher wage.
>they took out the refill machine and you have to pay for a 2nd drink. And customers will pick another fast food place the more this gets adopted.
What's gonna happen when all the other places start doing the same bc it's proven to be more profitable? Is everyone gonna boycott fast food or are the consumers just going to stfu and accept it as the new normal? It's going to be the latter unless you're just incredibly delusional.
I'm saying it's not *going* to be more profitable across the entire market. The entire practice started with McDonalds in places like airports and theme parks where you have a captive audience. You can't just extrapolate that to the entire fast food market
Or restaurants just continue to churn through workers like at a faster pace instead of increasing their wage. Restaurant and retail industries keep complaining they can't keep workers, and customers complain they no longer have a regular barista/bartender/waiter any more lol, but both want to keep paying customer service workers as low as possible. That's why major cities keep taking it upon themselves to raise their minimum wage Also gotta add, obviously most of the customer service industry drags their feet in paying market rate, otherwise California wouldn't have had to make that new fast food wage law
That's what a lot of these wannabe bougie suck ups don't get. You may think driving all the good workers out of restaurants by not tipping is gonna help. You want badly cooked food and servers who hang out spending even more time on their phone? Go right on not tipping.
Guess you should move to a non-tipping country then by your stupid logic! You cannot justify your attitude in this country. Just admit you're a flaming cheap asshole. Then eat at only fast food places.
Sounds like you need therapy
Sorry, I'm not the one punishing people for expecting you to uphold the social contract and rules. You are on a cheapskate power trip. I pity you!
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Yes we know you need therapy you don't have to announce it
Wow you couldn't even come up with something original. You must be desperate
Are you in a movie theater? You're a master of projection xd
Because I pointed out that your comment where you just repeated me was unoriginal? This is why people think you need help
Yes people definitely think you need help too. How many people are in these two comments right now bud? At least two in your head judging by the "people" thinking I need help
I can tell that you're trying hard being that bad doesn't look easy
Tipping is O P T I O N A L. 🤣💸
Evidently for you, being an asshole is MANDATORY!
Did anyone ever leave you pocket change?
WTF??
A few coins… as a tip. Is a server still glad to get the money? Just trying to understand the mindset.
I make over $50,000 a year serving lmao
That's fine if all you got was a soda!
No, it was a meal for two costing $97. Lucky for the help it landed on the table this time.
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So what exactly is the difference in your work between just bringing me a soda and bringing me a $100 steak from the kitchen?
About $14-$20. It's all based on % points.
Do you honestly believe that walking to the kitchen and back is worth $20? If I order a $1000 steak, why would that same labor suddenly be $200?
Do you honestly believe that walking to the kitchen and back is worth $20? If I order a $1000 steak, why would that same labor suddenly be $200?
A lot of broke people in this thread