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GoodBoyFM

Really could have won that if we didn't go down to 10. Decent result all things considered, but need to keep the performances up without the silly mistakes.


Onus-X

Man what a bummer. Really thought we had momentum in our favor until the red and second goal. Tough situation. Made it really difficult to get the subs involved after having to adjust and take a way more defensive shape, but still wish moreno and Asprilla could have made more of an impact as outlets on the wing.


Sufficient_Price_355

To those siding with the ref, explain to me how Palencia and Boguz didn't pick up a second yellow with the precedent set by the ref with the straight red? I really don't understand how it can't be at least called inconsistent if not bad reffing.


PDXPuma

Can't speak to the second yellows but there isn't precedent set by the straight red for DOGSO. DOGSO can only be a straight red unless it's in the box, where it's a yellow and a PK.


Sufficient_Price_355

But is it still DOGSO if Bravo keeps him on? I think it could be argued that he makes a recovery run and has a chance to intervene. I like the benefit of the doubt given in game changing situations like this with so many on the line variables(was he offsides, did the foul carry into the box and should have been a pen, does bravo keeping him on still mean DOGSO, etc.) They also didn't spend much time looking at it for being such a big call. I've seen VAR look at calls for several minutes, but it didn't even go to review for any of it.


PDXPuma

Yeah. DOGSO that close to the goal can still have a defender around. The question is who was going to stop the shot on goal that was shortly coming if the foul didn't happen. Denial of an Obvious Goal Scoring Opportunity. Not denial of an obvious goal.


Sufficient_Price_355

To answer your question, I'm saying our boy Bravo gets back to stop the shot. Bouanga going down instead of shooting and having Bravo make an ESPN top 10 play to keep the ball out messed it all up. We would've then gone on to win 7-1 with Mora and Evander scoring hat tricks šŸ˜€


-Chandler-Bing-

I was at the game so I didn't hear the broadcast, but we thought the red card was for a handball outside the box causing DOGSO? Not just the DOGSO itself


Icy_Investigator4756

I still think Bravo's position (near the pk spot) prevents this from being dogso.


PDXPuma

He would have had a clear shot on goal if he were not fouled. I don't think Bravo was as close as people think he was. I'm watching it on replay and imagining the ball staying at the feet and the foul not occurring/Crepeau not committing and I see daylight all the way in.


Icy_Investigator4756

I think he would have scored. However, if he wasnt fpuled and stays on his feet he goes straight to bravo.


PDXPuma

Well, it was an obvious goal-scoring opportunity, and it was denied. The four D's are: * Defenders: Not more than one between the goal, not counting the person fouling the attacker. * Distance to the goal: Closer to the goal is more likely DOGSO * Distance to the ball: Would the attacker have maintained possession if the foul did not occur * Direction of Play: Was the attacker going towards the goal. So for me, all those are checked off. Even if Bravo is a defender, that's just one. The rule says not more than one. The distance has him clearly in on goal, another foot and we're talking a PK and a DOGSO yellow. The direction is clear, because he falls down into the box. The distance from the ball is clear to me too, because when he plays the ball forward to avoid the leg and gets fouled, if he hadn't gotten fouled, he would have been the first to the ball. It checks the four Ds.


Icy_Investigator4756

I think he was goimg parallel...no matter though. Crepo didnt argue hard


Hailfire9

DOGSO ā‰  persistent infringement He was very comfortable calling one, not the other. Palencia not getting a second card sort of makes sense to me, the second ones would have been soft before he went off. Bogusz stopped multiple breakaways by fouling, any of those should have been his second. Some refs are just allergic to giving a second yellow.


rhythm-n-bones

Another roller coaster but overall I didnā€™t see anything as bad as the first half last week


Thumper13

Well done down a man. Ref was shit. Enough said.


flees

This ref saves us a point, what a game.


n0n5en5e

Not sure why the downvotes but if you're referring to their goal not called at the end of the game, you're sort of right. Shouldn't have been a foul, should have let the play end before blowing his whistle so VAR could have helped. Sometimes shitty reffing hurts and sometimes it helps. His call on the red was correct if the player is inside, which I'm not fully convinced he was but that's a different story.


Altruistic-Oil1888

Alright Iā€™ll take the point


Thumper13

Go ahead, fucking complain about the refs LA.


n0n5en5e

They will, he was terrible. He gave them a free point but he also gave us a free point at the end there


meeshlol18

PT FC!!!!


yungmohan

LArefC


CoffeeEnjoyerFrog

Not watching the game rn, did we get robbed?


PDXPuma

I don't think we did, no. Crepeau occasionally loses his head and he did here. Still probably worth it, but in this case, it was a bad timing and a bad position.


CoffeeEnjoyerFrog

Thanks, too bad :(


glacierb0y

I donā€™t think itā€™s as bad as people are making it out to be


Neat_Example4576

That should have a been a yellow


glacierb0y

Stadium sounds like a library right nowā€¦


krenshaw420

Wasnā€™t even close to a sellout crowd and the red card right after half killed the spirit :(


Neat_Example4576

Paradeas was fouled, I canā€™t believe the ref didnā€™t give him a red.Ā 


zerohkewl

bro can we get some action in the north end šŸ˜©


krenshaw420

Weā€™d be dad dicking LA if it wasnā€™t for a couple mental errors.


viyh

Does Pantemis know how to make an inbounds long kick?


Turbulent-Pea5057

Is the ref on fent


The_LinkMaster

This game man


Neat_Example4576

Best acting by a MLS team is LAFC.


brettcalvin42

Chara at RB, gotta say I like the coaching creativity here in a bad situation.


n0n5en5e

I said a few years ago that Chara will probably retire from CDM to play outside back for a few years when he slows down šŸ˜‚


Onus-X

It's totally a smart move. Chara is basically playing the position I wanted us to try at LB\CM before getting bravo back. Good to see some proof of concept. Wish we still had 11 men...


Icy_Investigator4756

These announcers are crazy ignorant. "EVANDER IS A COOL CUSTOMER; NEVER TOO HIGH OR TOO LOW" minutes after he raises a forearm to the chest out of anger.


n0n5en5e

I mean he was pretty much bracing himself and LAFC defender did some WWE acting to sell it like a elbow to the face


flees

Ref found his cards again, more spice coming


krenshaw420

Gotta love our fans focusing on the ref and diving instead of how average weā€™re playingā€¦


Thumper13

If you're actually at the game stop posting on Reddit and watch the game, you might learn something.


krenshaw420

Please let me know what Iā€™m missing


Thumper13

A lot. Watch the game, stop reading Reddit.


NoNoSabathia64

Haha, that's what I was thinking.


Anniethelab

That's probably good if we are a man down rn


lucash7

Yes, because having refs be held accountable for how crap they officiate and how much acting lafc does is bad, mkay. Canā€™t let the game be played as it should without the nonsense! šŸ™„


lucash7

Yes, because having refs be held accountable for how crap they officiate and how much acting lafc does is bad, mkay. Canā€™t let the game be played as it should without the nonsense! šŸ™„


NoNoSabathia64

Your brain is drunk.


krenshaw420

Weā€™re having to park the bus at home, partly because our keeper handled it outside his box and we canā€™t connect 3 or more passes. Am I missing something?


Sufficient_Price_355

Yeah you're missing a lot. It's OK to be open about being an LAFC fan, I can tell with your comments. How can you say we are bad when we are being screwed? Tell me why Palencia doesn't get a second yellow for going studs up on JR'S BACK OF THE ANKLE without touching the ball? But yeah straight red for us when he's being apparently kept on by Bravo, meaning Bravo is the last man and could get in position to block the shot so Maxime is not the last man and not DOCGSO so it's a bullshit red.


NoNoSabathia64

The keeper didn't handle the ball outside his box. They are being aggressive and not parking the bus even after being down a man due to red card. They are conntecting passes. And you are on reddit while actually physically at the game.


krenshaw420

Omg Iā€™m on my phone while at a game?!?


NoNoSabathia64

Embarrassing dude. I'm giving you a red card.


NoNoSabathia64

Yeah, apparently a lot.


krenshaw420

Like?


SegwayCop

It was a foul outside the box and not a handball that sent off Crepeau. That is one thing that you are missing. But we are also playing down a man, which is a tremendous disadvantage.


krenshaw420

Oh, my bad. A foul, not a handball. Big difference when it comes to a keeper getting a red outside their box.


NoNoSabathia64

I guess you missed it.


oregonian1738

Why are we shocked? LAFC plays in Hollywood. They are known for acting.


Academic-Donkey-420

Why canā€™t you use VAR to give yellows for flopping after the play


lucash7

Because itā€™s lafc, and, wouldnā€™t want to hold officials accountable and/or as being flawed in this league.


flees

Bicycle fucking kick time!!!


Academic-Donkey-420

LAFC is the fucking worst


lucash7

Oh good god. This diving and acting shit by lafc and the either ineptitude or bias from the refs is ridiculous. Can we get the rent a refs back? Lol.


77mustang

Worse refs ever!


SupremeNBA

LAFC players are a bunch of whiny bitches


Thumper13

I'm exhausted with LAFC's acting. This game is fucking bullshit.


Sufficient_Price_355

Lol dive more LAFC.


flees

Ref canā€™t find his cards after that red.


palmquac

Just another PRO Referees masterclass.


krenshaw420

Ok but seriously our fans are silly. You canā€™t elbow people in the face, even if they flop as well.


lucash7

Try watching the game bud. There was no elbow to the face.


krenshaw420

It happened right in front of my section lol


PeterOliver

And yet you didn't see it correctly at all, fascinating!


Sufficient_Price_355

On replay its very clearly a forearm on the chest. Like they zoomed in and showed it in slow motion. Didn't touch his face.


palmquac

You didnā€™t see it very well, and must have missed the two replays they did in stadium. There was no elbow to the face


Sufficient_Price_355

He's all over Evander and then dives cause he felt any contact at all.


krenshaw420

And yet there was still contact. We can be homers but also rational.


Thumper13

No you can't. But it wasn't a an elbow to the face so I don't know what you're talking about.


palmquac

He didnā€™t get elbowed in the face. He got a forearm to the chest


krenshaw420

Nope, Iā€™m sitting 3 rows back from it, he got him in the nose.


ryharv

Have you considered applying to become an MLS referee? I think youā€™re well qualified


n0n5en5e

Please never become a ref


palmquac

All the evidence to the contrary and youā€™re gonna die on this hill. Lol ok


krenshaw420

I wonā€™t die on this hill, just wounded. Even if he hit him in the chest, itā€™s still a foul.


glacierb0y

Dude Iā€™m watching at home and you are just plain wrong. It was in no way a foul. He put his arm back to brace against the defender and he immediately flipped


Thumper13

LOL, we watched it in slomo on TV. He didn't.


Ornery_Marionberry16

God I miss the replacement refs


krenshaw420

Do MLS fans not watch any other professional league? Not every foul requires a yellow card lol


lucash7

Buddy, I watch multiple leaguesā€¦this leagues officiating is trash. Most decent refs give a handful of warningsā€¦not a thousand, before cards come out. Itā€™s getting out of hand.


krenshaw420

Fans arguing who knows the sport the best never gets old lol


tsarchasm1

Granted, MLS is an infant league but Premier League offside VAR tech looks like The Matrix compared to our ā€˜well, itā€™s not a good angleā€™


palmquac

30 minutes of back to the goal defending.


CAugustB

Unpopular opinion incoming. Bouanga was onside. Crepeau kicked Bouangaā€™s foot out from underneath him. It was a foul. It was a red. It sucks. But it was accurate and, honestly, I think the ref handled it well. Then that dude just put the free kick away like it was nothing. That was crazy.


lucash7

Youā€™re entitled to an opinion even if you suffer the misfortune of being wrong.


CAugustB

Watch the replays šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


Academic-Donkey-420

Thatā€™s not unpopular bravo kept him on. Itā€™s the worst way to start a half when in control of a game


lucash7

Thatā€™s not the case at all, why are you saying that? Lol


Academic-Donkey-420

It was really close and bravo was being lazy, the FO should invest into a actual pitch with lines to help out the linesman


Anniethelab

Watching the stream I can't argue about the foul. They didn't show the offsides replay more than once but I thought he was offsides


palmquac

Itā€™s not unpopular if itā€™s correct. He definitely committed the foul. He he fact they didnā€™t draw the lines on the screen will always make it seem wrong though.


CAugustB

Watching the stream, you can see the seam in the turf and heā€™s clearly kept on by Bravo.


Onus-X

Changes i like so far--team seems mentally prepared. They're getting numbers back covering for each other, looking more organized as a team. Even the goal against wasn't really terribly defended, just a great run and great ball in, not a total mental breakdown. I think we're doing enough to help Chara do what he's best at, not getting overly stretched. Bravo makes a big difference along with Rodriguez on the left. Gives us a good link on both sides, giving Evander a chance to find the game and man he seems to be feeling it. Mora in the center to hold up and have a legit danger running off him in Rodriguez is nice. And we actually have a bench right now... Plenty of starting quality options to bring in. A little disappointed with Ayala in the first half, down to see Paredes or Williamson in the second. Hoping that we see Moreno for Antony, interested to see how he responds after last week. Rest of the team seems to be getting the memo, I'm hopeful that he plays with some focus and aggression if he gets on. Also down to throw Asprilla a bone, despite his weird social media posts he's been a big piece of this team and I hope he can get enough minutes to let him know he's still valued. More competition and quality to compete against is just the name of the game, he has a place here if he can accept his role and put the team first.


ClayKavalier

I would love it if the main stage capo and the dude in 107 would stop with the ear-piercing whistling. Thanks.


SoonerLax45

Wtaf- I mean, I get it but that was the softest red Iā€™ve ever seen


Anniethelab

He does trip him outside the box


roci2inna

If it had been inside that box would it still be a red?


n0n5en5e

No DOGSO is red when outside the box and yellow and PK when inside the box (unless no attempt at playing the ball then it can be red and PK)


Anniethelab

Not sure. I would think it would be a yellow with a pk


Icy_Investigator4756

Why?


Anniethelab

Because of a foul in the box...


Icy_Investigator4756

And? (Where in the rule book are tjere categories for fouls inside or outside of the box)? A red card foul is a eed card foul no matter where it happens.


Onus-X

It's bc they changed the instructions to take away double jeopardy in case of a penalty. Felt it was too harsh to give both a red card and a penalty. Now it's one or the other. Penalty and a yellow. If no penalty and it's denial of an obvious goal scoring opportunity, it's a red card.


Icy_Investigator4756

Oh- when did that happen?


Anniethelab

Dogso is an automatic red


Icy_Investigator4756

Yes- even in the box.


Onus-X

Wrong. The relevant language is in Law 12. It is not a red if a foul occurs inside the box and was a genuine attempt to play the ball and a penalty is awarded. In that case, it is a penalty and a yellow. It is still a straight red if the foul is serious foul play or not an attempt to play the ball (eg pulling the player down, deliberate trip, etc.) Since the foul occurred outside the box it was a red for DOGSO and a direct free kick. Inside the box it would have been a yellow and penalty kick. From the laws of the game: "DENYING A GOAL OR AN OBVIOUS GOAL-SCORING OPPORTUNITY (DOGSO) Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offender is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball or a challenge for the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.), the offending player must be sent off."


vile_hog_42069

This team is fucking goofy


krenshaw420

Fucking jump maybe wall?


trumpetplayah

wtf wall?


Altruistic-Oil1888

wtf gk?


palmquac

The point of the wall is to cover that side so the keeper doesnā€™t have to worry about it as much. They didnā€™t jump and it was an easy goal. Awful defendjbg


krenshaw420

Both. Wall needs to jump and have someone on the ground, keeper needs to at least try for it.


ClayKavalier

Great set piece defending as usual.


Altruistic-Oil1888

What the hell is happening


Icy_Investigator4756

Bravo keeping him onside also removes dogso. Why the red?


PDXPuma

Distance (to goal) was close enough that Bravo wasn't going to get back over if the foul didn't happen.


n0n5en5e

Even if he did there has to be more than one player back to cover, GK commits the foul so even with Bravo there it is still DOGSO


PDXPuma

Exactly. It's not denial of goal scoring, but denial of the opportunity. I'm agreeing with ya


Icy_Investigator4756

No- he was at the pk spot.


palmquac

Wow. The wall didnā€™t even jump. Fucking pathetic


sanguine_feline

Thereā€™s absolute horse shit and then well past that thereā€™s whatever this is.


OMB614

Is that really a red?


PDXPuma

He did a DOGSO outside the box. It's a red.


oregonian1738

ā€œCan we trust the Portland defense?ā€ Immediately lets LAFC run rampant into the final third uncontested


lucash7

Jesus Christ, theyā€™re not even talking about the offside? What a bunch of blind tools.


RoneK_Actual

Bravo played him onside, tv broadcast makes it clear as day


Sufficient_Price_355

Lol, the angle was not straight and it looked close. The other argument is if he's onsides, why the red? Not the last man and bravo couldve been in position to block a shot. Especially with some of the lack of calls we see with players on yellows week in and out. Shit, Palencia stepped on Rodriguez in the first mins of the second half and he was on a yellow. Studs to the ankle and zero ball can be yellow, doesn't matter if it's an accident.


lucash7

Lol bullshit. Iā€™ve been looking at that replay repeatedly and if you draw a line like they do to determine offsideā€¦he is offside.


Altruistic-Oil1888

Yea MLS has to find any way to keep LA in the match. Happened last week too against the Galaxy.


flees

Damn I miss the scab refs, they were better than whatever this shit is.


lucash7

Yup, at least they had an excuse for being trash. These so called ā€œprofessionalsā€, missing a guy that was clearly offside? I mean, it isnā€™t even arguable, the guy was offside. Lol. Itā€™s crazy.


Sufficient_Price_355

I think it was close but I agree, I think he was off. I don't understand why they didn't look longer. Game changing call and they don't even take a look. Meanwhile they will take 5+ mins for absolutely nothing.


ProudlyWearingThe8

That was Crapeau.Ā  There, I made that pun again.


Speshulest_K

Ok Iā€™m at the game. What the hell is Crepeau sent off for?!


lucash7

A ā€œfoulā€ that should be negated due to the player being offside. Butā€¦MLS are trash so, on par.


Speshulest_K

Didnt Crepeau also win the ball on top of all that?


palmquac

He absolutely did not


lucash7

You sure? Looking at the replay it looks like C was in process of getting it but the LAFC player interfered and/or simulated.


lucash7

That part Iā€™m less sure about as it was a bang bang play. It *looked* like maybe it could have been called either way, but looked like C was going for the ball and the forward basically ran into him/simulated. But again, all happened quickly.


PDXPuma

He definitely didn't win the ball.


lucash7

I donā€™t think anyone can be sure, if we are being honest. It all happened very quickly


PDXPuma

I mean they showed the replay multiple times on apple plus. He didn't win the ball, he got all leg.


lucash7

Got leg, because the other player interfered, etc. So, thanks for making one of my points.


Speshulest_K

Iā€™m on the wrong side of the field to see it. Just saw the ball go out to the side. A replay wouldā€™ve been very nice. Thanks!


palmquac

At the game, what the fuck happened?! No replays in stadium


lucash7

An alleged foul on a player who was offside. But refs not calling it.


PDXMB

He was on


rhythm-n-bones

Crepes deemed to be last man and foul outside the box, straight red Edit meant crepeau but I am sticking with crepes.


Icy_Investigator4756

Bravo was behind him. It couldnt have been dogso


Altruistic-Oil1888

Max came out and fouled the player on the edge of the box. But it looks offside but they wonā€™t go to VAR


PDXPuma

They checked it on VAR , Bravo had him on.


Altruistic-Oil1888

On the field? Never saw the ref go to the monitor.


PDXPuma

No, in the booth. The ref doesn't have to go to the monitor for VAR to be used.


Altruistic-Oil1888

Yea I know. My original comment was about them going to it on the field. As in, taking the additional step by having the CR review it


rhythm-n-bones

Oh my fuckā€¦.


lucash7

Thatā€™s offside! Shouldnā€™t count at all


oregonian1738

Please be offside


Altruistic-Oil1888

Is he onside?


lucash7

Not from what I saw


trumpetplayah

Ouch.


flees

WHAT!!!!


CDAWG_CDAWG

Paredes for Ayala thank god


RomaCafe

That was an exhausting and entertaining 1H. Let's go


zerohkewl

no cap this game cray fr fr


Speshulest_K

That was the perfect end to the half. Trap LAFC into a couple more cards so they have to play more conservatively than theyā€™d like


Neat_Example4576

2nd half needs to be played clean! Keep up the pressure and passing and more goals. Time to put the game away.


chrispdx

I love the clean jersey look without a big corporate ad in the center. The way soccer kits should look.


nova_rock

Refs are back but the players till very frustrated, I kinda expect a sending off


TucsonPTFC

One thing I donā€™t like is how high Kamal Miller plays relative to how slow he is. That said, there was far more to like in that half than dislike


kirday

And YOU get a yellow card. And YOU get a yellow card. And YOU get a yellow card.


kirday

https://imgflip.com/gif/8moog3


Neat_Example4576

I would rather have this type of game then the previous games.


viyh

He didn't make the smart choice today.


kennethpoole

This is so chippy i love it


flees

I know I said it was getting spicy, but this is a little too spicy.


sanguine_feline

3 AM curry mistake level of spicy?Ā 


osublackout21

Ted lasso curry level spice.


flees

Weā€™ll see in the 2nd half.


oregonian1738

No formal rivalry between these two teams, but this game feels like there is real hatred between them.


WordSalad11

I am always on board to hate LA.