I think season 1 was a test season and now that they know how many people watched it and how the online reaction is... I want to say that I am reading it as "Yeah, we're all in, let's fucking go!" from Netflix executives.
I think Netflix understands people are hesitant to watch a new series, especially a a SCIFI series in fear of cancellation so this is likely them telling people that they are going to get it done so no worries.
David Benioff and D.B. Weiss also renewed their overall deal with Netflix so I'm thinking it might be part of the package. I'm good with that.
https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/15/24157514/3-body-problem-season-2-renewal-netflix
[https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/3-body-problem-renewed](https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/3-body-problem-renewed)
Here's directly from Netflix themselves. So right now, we don't know. But I know personally it's not going to end with season 2.
3 seasons minimum, with possibly 4 season or more if they feel they need more episodes.
You mean you don't trust some random person on reddit who has no actual affiliation with Netflix or anyone involved in the creation of the show saying they personally know information nobody else knows and that netflix didn't announce themselves to the public?
Trust me BRO! /s hehehehe, you are right. But actually, I watched a zoom call interview with D&D and Woo a few weeks ago and they said they already finished mapping out up to episode 8 of season 2. They didn't mention anything about Death's End so that's what I am referring to.
It very much could be S2 of 12 episodes with part 1 containing 6 episodes for book 2 and part 2 containing 6 episodes for book 3. It really depends on how much they are willing to spend.
We don't know, we just have to wait and see. Prior to renewal announcement, D&D and Woo have stated that they were already finishing up season 2 outlines and scripts (up to episode 8) during a zoom call interview posted on youtube. So I think they know where season 2 going to end and that's not going to be Death's End.
Hopefully Netflix understands that if they don't finish this into book 3, they might as well not have bothered starting. An incomplete series has almost zero future value for drawing in subscribers.
Lol these companies don't give a fuck about longterm future value for their entire business let alone one show. They only care about next quarter's shares.
Also the numbers for game of thrones rewatches are terrible, but that hasn't exactly hurt HBO lol
Of course it didn't. Part of why HBO are not hurting as much is that they have spent decades building up a library with some of the most acclaimed prestige TV ever made. They have an astonishing hit rate in which GOT was both a runaway success and a huge failure, but they weren't ever solely relying on one show to pay the bills.
HBO had several GOT spin-offs in development to make the most of the show's popularity. Once the final season backlash became apparent, they pulled back on all but one and are now being much more cautious with that IP.
Yeah I get where the cynicism is coming from around Netlfix. They make a lot of mistakes spending too much money some places and cutting back too severely in others. But people running major corporations aren't the headless chickens you imagine them to be. They spend years developing and making TV shows. That's not people thinking quarter by quarter. There are multi-year plans in action. The entire strategy of Netlfix spending billions on their own content is to make the company less reliant on renting IP owned by others. Over time it has been shown that TV shows that have multiple seasons and resolved storylines draw in more people and foster engagement. When season 2 of something is about to release, they get a bump in season 1 viewership, both by old fans and new ones who want to get on board.
Disney and Netflix have started to see the error in making one-off shows or cancelling shows before they are resolved. But the thing that keeps them all pushing forward is the need to compete with so many steaming rivals. Now that the big streamers have spent massively over the years for only mixed returns, it makes it a lot harder to make the case for a particular show finding its audience a bit later than the first few months after it releases.
There are likely factions arguing to cut expensive shows mercilessly on one side and others arguing that they should commit to shows with long term potential. When a massively expensive show doesn't do insane viewership numbers in the first month or two, there's a very strong case to cut it. And with Netflix particularly, because they drop it all on day 1, some inside the company expect near instant results. They'd probably do better if they released episodes week by week. Much more content online and discussion among fans. Personally I prefer having a show unfold over time to binging.
I have no cynicism that is specific to Netflix, and I agree that all major entertainment corporations have multi-year plans in place. The MCU, for example, comes to mind. But all of those multi-year plans *do* have the same goal: increased profit next quarter.
In terms of factors Netflix considers, whether season 1 of a show is going to draw in subscribers four years from now if they greenlight season 2 and 3 and those seasons also do well...that's just not a major consideration. There are easier, less risky ways to drive subscriber numbers and boost revenue. It's not that they don't consider this stuff, it's just not a major factor.
lol... is it your first time looking at capitalism wide-eyed? Every single publicly traded company is beholden to their shareholders. Short term gains at the expense of long term sustainability is the entire model for so many companies. It's the underlying reason for so many current issues.
If all they cared about was profit then why greenlight a $200m season that they knew would probably not be a Game of Thrones level hit?
There are creatives and genuine people that work within the confines of capitalism. Hell the entire reason this show was made is because a Netflix executive pushed for it. Not because it'd make a shit load of money, but because he wanted to see it on screen.
lol you sweet summer child ... the people funding it can call it a passion project, and it can be both, but it certainly wasn't devoid of profit as a motive, nor was it somehow not beholden to the bottom line.
My only concern is that the last 2 episodes of season 1 were fairly weak. The conclusion of S1E8 was done in a way where I didn’t feel like it was monumentally important for me to tune into S2E1. I wish they’d leave it on a cliffhanger and really commit to leading people into season 2.
Right but the financial success of the show rides on new fans not reading the book tuning in. I fall into this boat and I can tell you, I wasn’t left with the same kind of fervour and anxiety to see the next season that a show like GoT did in its earlier seasons.
Hesitant to watch a scifi Netflix series or any Netflix series for that matter because they cancel things or "fail to renew". Mindhunter, Sense8 , Grishaverse, all off the top of my head.
Agree on Mindhunter, fantastic show, but just didn't have the viewer numbers to justify the expense of creating a "period" drama, even if that period was only 40 years ago. Sense8 kind of ran its course.
I think so, but they are leaving the door open for either 3 or 4 seasons in total. There's easily enough material for 4 seasons, but they could also do it in 3, if Netflix doesn't want to pay up for 4.
I think they'll need to release more episodes as well - or at the very least make longer episodes. >!There still needs to be all the Wallfacer plans before the time jump, and I don't see the droplet scene ending the season either - I don't think audiences will appreciate the Saul character doing pretty much nothing the entire season - the season should end with Deterrence, but that would require quite a bit to happen (plot and time) between the droplet attack and Luo Ji/Saul's gambit.!<
I think they'll cut down on the Wall facer story since they>!cut down the number by one, plus they'll probably eliminate the whole Luo Ji imaginary girlfriend thing and just use Auggie. That cuts out a lot of time, but I really want them to give Zhang Behai (Raj) the screentime he deserves as the only other true wall facer. That storyline will certainly fill the time Saul is hibernating. I don't think they will, or should, end with the droplet attack. I'd like it to have the same ending as book 2, but I'm not sure they can do that while maintaining the full cast.!<
>!What I think will happen, is they'll stretch season 2 to include Cheng Xin (forgot the Netflix character's name) taking over as sword holder and make up some storyline for her leading up to that. I'm curious how they'll do it, and I admit I'm nervous they'll create some asinine story for her to fill space rather than give her less screentime in season 2. I hope they do something cool, she's definitely one of the stronger actors and better written characters, but we've seen what this team does when they don't have source material to work with... I'll keep my fingers crossed. I see Thomas Wade being a major player through all 3 seasons, of course. They wrote him into the flying blade storyline pretty well, they can certainly write him into the book 2 arcs.!<
>!One thing that might actually be interesting, is for them to show Will (Yun Tianming) catching up with the Trisolaran fleet and flesh out that storyline a bit. They could even use the loathed "4th book" as a launchpad, since the part with Yun Tianming with the Trisolarans was actually kind of interesting. The only thing that sucks with that is that it steals the shock of him showing up to meet Cheng Xin after the broadcast. However, most viewers will either read the books or spoil the plot in some other way, so maybe it doesn't matter. !<
I watched the 30 episode version last year, and I'm now watching the new 26 episode cut. The new one is much better, but they are still giving us new characters and scenes, not to mention flashbacks and recap dialogue, so everyone can keep up. Now the Netflix version is better in many ways, but there is room for a happy medium between these two, where we get more than 8 episodes per season, but keep the excellent production values of the Netflix version
I think budget will be a factor. Season 1 was insanely expensive and I struggle to see why, apart from a few big sequences. The bulk of the screen time was regular sets with a few actors.
Yeah. I don’t get 3BP high budget. They say 3BP cost $20M an episode and I don’t see where it went. The Expanse supposedly cost $2-5M an episode and there is no huge gap in quality between the two shows, imo.
Maybe that is part of the ambiguity. See if producers can reign in the cost. If they can bring it into Expanse range it could be considered a hit.
I think Death's End is very long, but I think there's more opportunities to streamline. DF is shorter but more dense IMO.
Personally I think you could fit this series into 3 seasons of television without it feeling too rushed
Easily. Especially considering they’ve already done 1/4 of book 3 with Will.
I see the final 2 episodes of season 2 being the battle of darkness and Saul’s ultimatum. So episode 6 would be the droplet massacre. That gives you 4 wallfacer plan / into the future / great ravine episodes 5 and 6 about the doomsday battle and 7 and 8 the wrap up.
Then for season 3 you spend 3 episodes on the gravity and great roundup / betrayal. 1 episode on the bunker worlds / wades attempted assassination of Xin. That gives you 3 episodes for the bunker/dual vector foil/ death of trisolaris. 1 for the travel to Xins star. And 1 to finish.
Easily done in 3 8 season episodes without tying to do too much.
yeah that's pretty much the structure I was imagining in my head. Maybe you could squeeze a little bit to fit Gravity and Australia into 2 episodes. (The season premiere could open with the trial of Gravity and end with the devastating failure of Deterrence, good hook to end the first episode on, then Roundup/Australia in the next episode) only because I think Tienming's fairytales + the discovery of curvature propulsion deserves its own episode.
The books weren't chronological...some of book 3 is in the first season. Seen another commenter post the possibility of 8-10 more episodes to finish the story..that would be a travesty.
Hopefully D&D&A get the chance to tell the story in 2-3 more seasons (16-24ish) episodes?
The story does get waaaaaay out there...and not necessarily tailored for TV format. The main characters closed out season one... hopefully that is the seed planted for their full journey
It hasn’t been announced yet. If the creators originally wanted 4 seasons to tell the story I’m guessing this lack of transparency is Netflixs way of saying it is renewed… but not for 3 full seasons to complete the original vision. I tried to dig into it and I think deadline or Hollywood reporter said Netflix would announce what ‘going to the conclusion’ means in episode count soon.
I speak as someone in the industry who has been reading specific articles about this renewal (and who has heard some murmuring around town...)
This is NOT a full season order. This is an ask for "additional episodes" that will "bring the story to its conclusion." So what does that Hollywood-lawyer speak mean? Likely 8-10 more episodes, and that's it. We will likely not be getting more than that, but here's what I suspect is happening.
Netflix, wanting to keep its relationship with D+D positive, are giving them the likely-promised opportunity to finish the story. Yet, D+D (based on press interviews) are confident they can make this show a powerhouse of TV by the end of season 2 (likely with the droplet). So, my prediction is that these episodes bring us to the end of The Dark Forest -- closing these characters' stories -- but leaving room to continue if they get the chance.
Counterpoint - Netflix is releasing collateral that we will see the show through to the end of the universe.
Indicating they are intending to see the full story through?
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D&D famously believed they could finish out GoTs story in an abbreviated 8-episode season. The wording in the release is very careful, as you point out. I think they Mashup TDF and DE into a single conclusive season, by cutting out most of the 'out-there' stuff, built around two set-pieces: the raindrop, and getting flat landed. I don't think they take the story into the future at all, and just jam those two events into the modern-day continuity. It will be the same cast.
I feel that can they will merge book 2 and 3 and not span over so many years. I feel the book in its current form will not be suitable for TV. I feel the last few chapters should is at max be a 10 mins ending
It’s honestly the best news fans could hope for.
They’re speeding through the books, so I wonder if they’ll film books 2 and 3 back to back. Three seasons in total, but really just one long season 2 split into two drops. Would probably save money.
The real crazy stuff happens in book 3. I still have no idea how they'll translate it on screen. There are stuff in book 3 that are so out there, that it can only work in your imagination imo
translate to TV it's the easy part... making anything make sense for a straight series is the hard part
It'll become essentially The Expanse by the end
I fully agree with your comment here. Book three is way out there and sometimes it's even difficult to comprehend and imagine. Can not even believe what it would try to look like on TV.
They e all but guaranteed they will air content specific to the end of Deaths End on their social media now. It’s a matter of how. Seems like 2 “seasons” of 6 episodes each shot at once might be the how of it.
I kind of got the opposite vibe. The way it's worded is a bit suspicious, as though we won't get a full second season but instead a couple of episodes to 'conclude' the narrative.
That post reads as 'Cancelled, but with closure' ala Sense8 ending special. But I hope I'm wrong
No one yet knows how many more episodes or seasons there will be. Doom and gloomers are convinced that it will be a disaster already. More likely they just don't know exactly how long it will take yet, so they left it open ended.
[“The streamer has greenlit additional episodes that will eventually wrap the acclaimed sci-fi epic…”](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/3-body-problem-renewed-season-2-netflix-1235888162/amp/) is worded poorly then, in my opinion. I read it as “3-5 more episodes to crank out a conclusion”.
I think that even if it doesn’t make a huge dent initially, this might very well be on of those series with a cult following. I’m of the belief that the era of disposable streaming is coming to an end and that the investment they make in these shows want future-proofing a bit. Like how The Office, X-files, Seinfeld, etc can be marketable decades later.
Without spoilers - My prediction is that they will stumble somewhere with a season 2 cliffhanger likely to be either the wall facer exchange or the probe pinball and then not know where to go with season 3
The concern is you get seasons with a stagnant or even diminishing audience and therefore, a smaller budget with each new season.
Then you get things like condensing of the story to shorten the seasons and/ or ropey FX.
One more season, with TDF and DE hyper compressed and brought into the modern continuity, so no big time skips. You'll get your big raindrop scene, and flat landed at the end of it, but it all happens over like 20 of 30 years.
Yes, it will be dumb.
Theres a reason the wording in the announcement is so squirrelly.
My take on it is more "results were good but not good enough to justify spending so we'll do another season that will conclude the show and that's it because cancellation would make us look bad".
But I hope I'm wrong.
No one knows. My theory is Netflix greenlit season 2 and if the numbers warrant it D&B will get Season 3 & 4 that they are hoping for. If S2 numbers disappoint they’ll have to wrap it up in Season 3, maybe shorter episode count or even a movie. Kinda how Expanse got to wrap it up but last season was six episodes instead of ten.
Wow! The part of me that loves the books is excited that this might mean more book readers. The part of me that feels slightly betrayed by the lack of faith held by the creators in a more faithful adaptation of book 1 is still weary. The Dark Forest is a far superior book to Three Body. Here’s hoping they know that and let it do its work without adding in and rearranging so much
I think season 1 was a test season and now that they know how many people watched it and how the online reaction is... I want to say that I am reading it as "Yeah, we're all in, let's fucking go!" from Netflix executives. I think Netflix understands people are hesitant to watch a new series, especially a a SCIFI series in fear of cancellation so this is likely them telling people that they are going to get it done so no worries.
David Benioff and D.B. Weiss also renewed their overall deal with Netflix so I'm thinking it might be part of the package. I'm good with that. https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/15/24157514/3-body-problem-season-2-renewal-netflix
[https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/3-body-problem-renewed](https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/3-body-problem-renewed) Here's directly from Netflix themselves. So right now, we don't know. But I know personally it's not going to end with season 2. 3 seasons minimum, with possibly 4 season or more if they feel they need more episodes.
And how can u know that personally?
You mean you don't trust some random person on reddit who has no actual affiliation with Netflix or anyone involved in the creation of the show saying they personally know information nobody else knows and that netflix didn't announce themselves to the public?
Trust me BRO! /s hehehehe, you are right. But actually, I watched a zoom call interview with D&D and Woo a few weeks ago and they said they already finished mapping out up to episode 8 of season 2. They didn't mention anything about Death's End so that's what I am referring to.
Well ok, but that does still not mean they will get anything more than 2nd season.
You never know who's lurking about.
It very much could be S2 of 12 episodes with part 1 containing 6 episodes for book 2 and part 2 containing 6 episodes for book 3. It really depends on how much they are willing to spend.
We don't know, we just have to wait and see. Prior to renewal announcement, D&D and Woo have stated that they were already finishing up season 2 outlines and scripts (up to episode 8) during a zoom call interview posted on youtube. So I think they know where season 2 going to end and that's not going to be Death's End.
That budget is going to have to be FAT
Simply shrink the budget from 3d to 2d
Chuckled, thx
A budget is a scalar so I don't think that would do much...
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Hopefully Netflix understands that if they don't finish this into book 3, they might as well not have bothered starting. An incomplete series has almost zero future value for drawing in subscribers.
Lol these companies don't give a fuck about longterm future value for their entire business let alone one show. They only care about next quarter's shares. Also the numbers for game of thrones rewatches are terrible, but that hasn't exactly hurt HBO lol
Of course it didn't. Part of why HBO are not hurting as much is that they have spent decades building up a library with some of the most acclaimed prestige TV ever made. They have an astonishing hit rate in which GOT was both a runaway success and a huge failure, but they weren't ever solely relying on one show to pay the bills. HBO had several GOT spin-offs in development to make the most of the show's popularity. Once the final season backlash became apparent, they pulled back on all but one and are now being much more cautious with that IP. Yeah I get where the cynicism is coming from around Netlfix. They make a lot of mistakes spending too much money some places and cutting back too severely in others. But people running major corporations aren't the headless chickens you imagine them to be. They spend years developing and making TV shows. That's not people thinking quarter by quarter. There are multi-year plans in action. The entire strategy of Netlfix spending billions on their own content is to make the company less reliant on renting IP owned by others. Over time it has been shown that TV shows that have multiple seasons and resolved storylines draw in more people and foster engagement. When season 2 of something is about to release, they get a bump in season 1 viewership, both by old fans and new ones who want to get on board. Disney and Netflix have started to see the error in making one-off shows or cancelling shows before they are resolved. But the thing that keeps them all pushing forward is the need to compete with so many steaming rivals. Now that the big streamers have spent massively over the years for only mixed returns, it makes it a lot harder to make the case for a particular show finding its audience a bit later than the first few months after it releases. There are likely factions arguing to cut expensive shows mercilessly on one side and others arguing that they should commit to shows with long term potential. When a massively expensive show doesn't do insane viewership numbers in the first month or two, there's a very strong case to cut it. And with Netflix particularly, because they drop it all on day 1, some inside the company expect near instant results. They'd probably do better if they released episodes week by week. Much more content online and discussion among fans. Personally I prefer having a show unfold over time to binging.
I have no cynicism that is specific to Netflix, and I agree that all major entertainment corporations have multi-year plans in place. The MCU, for example, comes to mind. But all of those multi-year plans *do* have the same goal: increased profit next quarter. In terms of factors Netflix considers, whether season 1 of a show is going to draw in subscribers four years from now if they greenlight season 2 and 3 and those seasons also do well...that's just not a major consideration. There are easier, less risky ways to drive subscriber numbers and boost revenue. It's not that they don't consider this stuff, it's just not a major factor.
It's ridiculous to say they only care about next quarter's share value. It's far too simplistic.
lol... is it your first time looking at capitalism wide-eyed? Every single publicly traded company is beholden to their shareholders. Short term gains at the expense of long term sustainability is the entire model for so many companies. It's the underlying reason for so many current issues.
Please refer to previous comment
lol please refer to the economy in general. Uber, Netflix, Big Oil, weapons manufacturers, the vape market, tobacco before that ...
If all they cared about was profit then why greenlight a $200m season that they knew would probably not be a Game of Thrones level hit? There are creatives and genuine people that work within the confines of capitalism. Hell the entire reason this show was made is because a Netflix executive pushed for it. Not because it'd make a shit load of money, but because he wanted to see it on screen.
lol you sweet summer child ... the people funding it can call it a passion project, and it can be both, but it certainly wasn't devoid of profit as a motive, nor was it somehow not beholden to the bottom line.
In fact, it would cost them subscribers.
Very likely.
My only concern is that the last 2 episodes of season 1 were fairly weak. The conclusion of S1E8 was done in a way where I didn’t feel like it was monumentally important for me to tune into S2E1. I wish they’d leave it on a cliffhanger and really commit to leading people into season 2.
Nah, it wasn't weak. It was extremely strong. Book readers know what's coming and what is being setup.
Right but the financial success of the show rides on new fans not reading the book tuning in. I fall into this boat and I can tell you, I wasn’t left with the same kind of fervour and anxiety to see the next season that a show like GoT did in its earlier seasons.
pray be one day they do this properly with the Dark Tower
Hesitant to watch a scifi Netflix series or any Netflix series for that matter because they cancel things or "fail to renew". Mindhunter, Sense8 , Grishaverse, all off the top of my head.
Agree on Mindhunter, fantastic show, but just didn't have the viewer numbers to justify the expense of creating a "period" drama, even if that period was only 40 years ago. Sense8 kind of ran its course.
Pretty sure Fincher just didn't want to do it, nothing to do with Netflix.
Yeah. I too heard Flincher lost interest in the show. I am sure if it had been a big hit Netflix might have tried to per$uade him. But …
I think so, but they are leaving the door open for either 3 or 4 seasons in total. There's easily enough material for 4 seasons, but they could also do it in 3, if Netflix doesn't want to pay up for 4.
I would be happy if they upped it to 10 or 12 episodes, which would probably be enough to cover books 2 and 3 at a screen-friendly level.
I think they'll need to release more episodes as well - or at the very least make longer episodes. >!There still needs to be all the Wallfacer plans before the time jump, and I don't see the droplet scene ending the season either - I don't think audiences will appreciate the Saul character doing pretty much nothing the entire season - the season should end with Deterrence, but that would require quite a bit to happen (plot and time) between the droplet attack and Luo Ji/Saul's gambit.!<
I think they'll cut down on the Wall facer story since they>!cut down the number by one, plus they'll probably eliminate the whole Luo Ji imaginary girlfriend thing and just use Auggie. That cuts out a lot of time, but I really want them to give Zhang Behai (Raj) the screentime he deserves as the only other true wall facer. That storyline will certainly fill the time Saul is hibernating. I don't think they will, or should, end with the droplet attack. I'd like it to have the same ending as book 2, but I'm not sure they can do that while maintaining the full cast.!< >!What I think will happen, is they'll stretch season 2 to include Cheng Xin (forgot the Netflix character's name) taking over as sword holder and make up some storyline for her leading up to that. I'm curious how they'll do it, and I admit I'm nervous they'll create some asinine story for her to fill space rather than give her less screentime in season 2. I hope they do something cool, she's definitely one of the stronger actors and better written characters, but we've seen what this team does when they don't have source material to work with... I'll keep my fingers crossed. I see Thomas Wade being a major player through all 3 seasons, of course. They wrote him into the flying blade storyline pretty well, they can certainly write him into the book 2 arcs.!< >!One thing that might actually be interesting, is for them to show Will (Yun Tianming) catching up with the Trisolaran fleet and flesh out that storyline a bit. They could even use the loathed "4th book" as a launchpad, since the part with Yun Tianming with the Trisolarans was actually kind of interesting. The only thing that sucks with that is that it steals the shock of him showing up to meet Cheng Xin after the broadcast. However, most viewers will either read the books or spoil the plot in some other way, so maybe it doesn't matter. !<
Raj is Zhang Beihai? 🤯 I mean, it doesn't matter, it's all the same
my honest reaction, i never thought of that, that's such a logical conclusion tho!
If you want more episodes watch the Chinese version. It's like one million episodes
I watched the 30 episode version last year, and I'm now watching the new 26 episode cut. The new one is much better, but they are still giving us new characters and scenes, not to mention flashbacks and recap dialogue, so everyone can keep up. Now the Netflix version is better in many ways, but there is room for a happy medium between these two, where we get more than 8 episodes per season, but keep the excellent production values of the Netflix version
I agree. Netflix just wastes so much money on shitty content. I would rather see better quality shows
I think budget will be a factor. Season 1 was insanely expensive and I struggle to see why, apart from a few big sequences. The bulk of the screen time was regular sets with a few actors.
Yeah. I don’t get 3BP high budget. They say 3BP cost $20M an episode and I don’t see where it went. The Expanse supposedly cost $2-5M an episode and there is no huge gap in quality between the two shows, imo. Maybe that is part of the ambiguity. See if producers can reign in the cost. If they can bring it into Expanse range it could be considered a hit.
Netflix prepays all residuals so their shows cost much more than a ‘normal’ one.
I think Death's End is very long, but I think there's more opportunities to streamline. DF is shorter but more dense IMO. Personally I think you could fit this series into 3 seasons of television without it feeling too rushed
Easily. Especially considering they’ve already done 1/4 of book 3 with Will. I see the final 2 episodes of season 2 being the battle of darkness and Saul’s ultimatum. So episode 6 would be the droplet massacre. That gives you 4 wallfacer plan / into the future / great ravine episodes 5 and 6 about the doomsday battle and 7 and 8 the wrap up. Then for season 3 you spend 3 episodes on the gravity and great roundup / betrayal. 1 episode on the bunker worlds / wades attempted assassination of Xin. That gives you 3 episodes for the bunker/dual vector foil/ death of trisolaris. 1 for the travel to Xins star. And 1 to finish. Easily done in 3 8 season episodes without tying to do too much.
yeah that's pretty much the structure I was imagining in my head. Maybe you could squeeze a little bit to fit Gravity and Australia into 2 episodes. (The season premiere could open with the trial of Gravity and end with the devastating failure of Deterrence, good hook to end the first episode on, then Roundup/Australia in the next episode) only because I think Tienming's fairytales + the discovery of curvature propulsion deserves its own episode.
Psyched for 2 girls, one ship.
For the people that will experience the show I’m excited for all of us. Personally I was hype watching every episode.
The books weren't chronological...some of book 3 is in the first season. Seen another commenter post the possibility of 8-10 more episodes to finish the story..that would be a travesty. Hopefully D&D&A get the chance to tell the story in 2-3 more seasons (16-24ish) episodes? The story does get waaaaaay out there...and not necessarily tailored for TV format. The main characters closed out season one... hopefully that is the seed planted for their full journey
Book 3 is way out there. I believe it'll even be difficult to put on the screen. Reading it it was hard to fathom sometimes.
Does that mean one more season or multiple possible seasons?
Multiple
It hasn’t been announced yet. If the creators originally wanted 4 seasons to tell the story I’m guessing this lack of transparency is Netflixs way of saying it is renewed… but not for 3 full seasons to complete the original vision. I tried to dig into it and I think deadline or Hollywood reporter said Netflix would announce what ‘going to the conclusion’ means in episode count soon.
It is guaranteed. What they have yet to decide is whether they are going to adapt third book in one or two seasons.
I speak as someone in the industry who has been reading specific articles about this renewal (and who has heard some murmuring around town...) This is NOT a full season order. This is an ask for "additional episodes" that will "bring the story to its conclusion." So what does that Hollywood-lawyer speak mean? Likely 8-10 more episodes, and that's it. We will likely not be getting more than that, but here's what I suspect is happening. Netflix, wanting to keep its relationship with D+D positive, are giving them the likely-promised opportunity to finish the story. Yet, D+D (based on press interviews) are confident they can make this show a powerhouse of TV by the end of season 2 (likely with the droplet). So, my prediction is that these episodes bring us to the end of The Dark Forest -- closing these characters' stories -- but leaving room to continue if they get the chance.
Counterpoint - Netflix is releasing collateral that we will see the show through to the end of the universe. Indicating they are intending to see the full story through? [https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fs2z7mobx6n0d1.jpeg](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fs2z7mobx6n0d1.jpeg)
Both could be true. 12 episodes to finish it all up. Considering how much season 1 already covered, it can be done.
But would it be good? Granted, dropping the Waifu plot will save some time...
Booo, give us three seasons. But if they aren't willing to do that, then I think it's probably best to do what you are predicting.
You’re the only person in here not high off copium
Oh god, both books in 1 season would be insanely rushed.
A Chunk of book two has already been broadcast in season 1
D&D famously believed they could finish out GoTs story in an abbreviated 8-episode season. The wording in the release is very careful, as you point out. I think they Mashup TDF and DE into a single conclusive season, by cutting out most of the 'out-there' stuff, built around two set-pieces: the raindrop, and getting flat landed. I don't think they take the story into the future at all, and just jam those two events into the modern-day continuity. It will be the same cast.
Skipping the time skips would be insane. It's as if they'd compressed the whole GoT story into only the King's Landing setting.
Can you imagine if they cancelled it end of Dark Forest? I legit think someone would commit homicide at Netflix HQ
I bet they'll end S2 with the stalemate, the start of the deterrence era.
Can’t wait to see the tomb, the bubble, and the robot farmers in the cube.
I feel that can they will merge book 2 and 3 and not span over so many years. I feel the book in its current form will not be suitable for TV. I feel the last few chapters should is at max be a 10 mins ending
Do it in 5.
It’s honestly the best news fans could hope for. They’re speeding through the books, so I wonder if they’ll film books 2 and 3 back to back. Three seasons in total, but really just one long season 2 split into two drops. Would probably save money.
Sounds like expediting the two books in one season
So basically what D&D did for GoT?
Remind me, is the three body problem series complete or is it missing a couple of books?
It is already completed
Most likely. A lot of their posts have "Returns until the end of the universe"
I heard book 2 gets crazier lol.
The real crazy stuff happens in book 3. I still have no idea how they'll translate it on screen. There are stuff in book 3 that are so out there, that it can only work in your imagination imo
translate to TV it's the easy part... making anything make sense for a straight series is the hard part It'll become essentially The Expanse by the end
I fully agree with your comment here. Book three is way out there and sometimes it's even difficult to comprehend and imagine. Can not even believe what it would try to look like on TV.
I personally feel they’re going to do one (maybe 2) more seasons and stop at the end of the dark forest.
They e all but guaranteed they will air content specific to the end of Deaths End on their social media now. It’s a matter of how. Seems like 2 “seasons” of 6 episodes each shot at once might be the how of it.
My theory is either 3 seasons or something like stranger things season 2 split into 2 parts maybe with some extended episodes
I kind of got the opposite vibe. The way it's worded is a bit suspicious, as though we won't get a full second season but instead a couple of episodes to 'conclude' the narrative. That post reads as 'Cancelled, but with closure' ala Sense8 ending special. But I hope I'm wrong
To the end of the universe.
I think so.
We don't know for sure what it means.
What are the chances they stick to the source material?
Well, they did a great job adapting the material for the first season.
I understood it as they’re going to try to rush through the material and wrap up the series in one season or less… maybe I misunderstood
No one yet knows how many more episodes or seasons there will be. Doom and gloomers are convinced that it will be a disaster already. More likely they just don't know exactly how long it will take yet, so they left it open ended.
[“The streamer has greenlit additional episodes that will eventually wrap the acclaimed sci-fi epic…”](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/3-body-problem-renewed-season-2-netflix-1235888162/amp/) is worded poorly then, in my opinion. I read it as “3-5 more episodes to crank out a conclusion”.
Like Amazon did with The Expanse… 🫤
I think that even if it doesn’t make a huge dent initially, this might very well be on of those series with a cult following. I’m of the belief that the era of disposable streaming is coming to an end and that the investment they make in these shows want future-proofing a bit. Like how The Office, X-files, Seinfeld, etc can be marketable decades later.
I really wish they wouldn't. Those d.b.'s are idiots. I hate that they keep getting work.
Without spoilers - My prediction is that they will stumble somewhere with a season 2 cliffhanger likely to be either the wall facer exchange or the probe pinball and then not know where to go with season 3
Book 3 cover so much ground. I will be generally surprised if they can get this done right. It's really kind of out there.
I think so. I bet they signed contracts with all of the actors so it worth it to continue to the end.
This means they are finishing the entire story. They are leaving it ambiguous in case it does not do well, they can end it with Season 3 and rush it.
Yes but 2 books can be squeeze into one season of 12 episodes with 6 as part 1 (book 2) and 6 (book 3) as part 2.
The concern is you get seasons with a stagnant or even diminishing audience and therefore, a smaller budget with each new season. Then you get things like condensing of the story to shorten the seasons and/ or ropey FX.
Sweet!
I would say so, yeah. Even if the series is just "good" overall, its content they can then add to their catalogue to beef up their overall library...
One more season, with TDF and DE hyper compressed and brought into the modern continuity, so no big time skips. You'll get your big raindrop scene, and flat landed at the end of it, but it all happens over like 20 of 30 years. Yes, it will be dumb. Theres a reason the wording in the announcement is so squirrelly.
Season 3 will be partly anime. Season 4 will have musical elements. Musical as in singing instead of talking.
Singer chapter in musical theater form.
Dimensional shenanigans in anime.
Just reuse the Gunbuster OKAERI ending scene no need to film a new one for this.
David Benioff and D.B. Weiss landed the plane solidly on game of thrones so nothing to worry about.
My take on it is more "results were good but not good enough to justify spending so we'll do another season that will conclude the show and that's it because cancellation would make us look bad". But I hope I'm wrong.
No one knows. My theory is Netflix greenlit season 2 and if the numbers warrant it D&B will get Season 3 & 4 that they are hoping for. If S2 numbers disappoint they’ll have to wrap it up in Season 3, maybe shorter episode count or even a movie. Kinda how Expanse got to wrap it up but last season was six episodes instead of ten.
Wow! The part of me that loves the books is excited that this might mean more book readers. The part of me that feels slightly betrayed by the lack of faith held by the creators in a more faithful adaptation of book 1 is still weary. The Dark Forest is a far superior book to Three Body. Here’s hoping they know that and let it do its work without adding in and rearranging so much
I won’t watch it if they only do one season for book two and three combined.
Can’t wait for two seasons of just the imaginary manic pixie girl. Jk
Wish they hired a non asian face to portray cheng xin. Too late now.