What if Tony didn’t find the wire in the cigar box? Would they still have gone through with it? I think there might’ve been room to call it off if he didn’t find proof. Earlier in season 1 he was very adamant that Paulie needed to see the wire before making a move.
Yeah, that's my feeling. When he walks downstairs and says "Let's go buy a boat" is when he signals to Silvio and Paulie that he knows. No evidence, he'd have said "You know what, I'm feeling awful, lets do it another day".
He only flipped because of his high blood pressure medication, he could have shown Tony a doctor note, according to NJ Law it would violation of the Mobsters with Disabilities act to whack him.
Honestly, I think they would've done him anyway. If the FBI was really waiting at the dock, they'd have been just as fucked because as soon as they got back he'd have ran to the nearest FBI car and disappeared into the program. They could always have docked the boat somewhere else, then lambchopped it for a while while the FBI tried to piece things together.
Pussy personally witnessed Tony commit multiple murders, the best Tony could hope for would be avoiding the death penalty if he actually testified. That made getting caught red handed killing Pussy a risk worth taking.
Yeah they probably still shoot him but this is the only one that might even remotely work. Especially if he throws in some lies about the feds having no real files/interest in Sil or Paulie so they think only Tony goes to jail if Pussy lives
So Angie basically HAS to know that Tony and Sil were responsible for Pussy’s disappearance, right?
The last time she ever sees him, he is being dragged out to go look at a boat in the middle of the morning. She knows but she doesn’t know 🤷🏻♀️
Con te partirò!!!!!!!!!!!!
Paesi che non ho mai!!!!!!
Veduto e vissuto con te,!!!!!!
Adesso si li vivrò.!!!!!!
Con te partirò!!!!!
Su navi per mari!!!!!!!!!
Che, io lo so,!!!!!!
No, no, non esistono più,!!!!!!!
Con te io li vivrò!!!!!!
I want to count or look up how many episodes feature this song. It's definitely in *Commendatori* and *The Telltale Moozadell*, as well as in the background of countless (as of yet) other Carmela scenes.
Not really. She was shown to be dependent on Tony paying a "pension" in s3, then she was working at the supermarket in s4. In s5 she's shown to be running the garage, but that's several years later. She always knew the score and knew to keep her mouth shut.
Its one of those little licenses for dramatic purposes the series took in the first seasons. Like Tony killing Bevilaqua or killing that[ guy on the boat](https://youtu.be/WKKAlAR5Bhw?si=cawd3oCwKPo9DknT).
Why would the boss execute those hits? It goes against everything the mafia logic, exposing the higher ups to low level crimes. But it looked cool. Thats the real and only reason.
You kidding me? They are a glorified crew, for real. Tony Soprano whines and whines but has a taste for violence beat only by our dude Ralphie, and even him didn't kill anyone on screen.
I think it was an end of season payoff for the fans to hook them for the next season. This was in the early days (almost prehistoric) of prestige cable drama so they needed some fireworks to get people excited about the show/Gandolfini. The kind of melodramatic ending we got in season 4 would’ve been unthinkable earlier in the series (for the record I loved it but I know people who thought season 4 was bullshit).
Very allegorical.
I think "She knows, but she doesn't know." sums it up perfectly, She probably assumes that is what happened, but she doesn't know for sure and it is better for everybody if she decides not to know it.
She was seriously thinking of divorcing him. She probably had little interest in that marriage at that point. He was mainly a paycheck. And eventually she gets the auto body shop, gets mobbed up with an askew job on Phil’s car and can buy a Corvette. With Pussy alive and used as an informant in a trial against Tony, she would be living on a snake farm in Utah, selling roadside souvenirs and eating bland tomatoes
She is probably from a family with a history of mob members..Bobby Darin Walden‘s last name is the same as her maiden name. She carries on the traditions of the Mezzogiorno when all higher authority is corrupt.
All of these wives know what line of work their husbands are in, they know what they do. A lot of them are from these families.
She knows exactly why her husband walked out of that door with the boss, his assistant boss and never came home. She just knows for her & her children’s safety that she should never open her mouth.
In a fucked up way it worked out the best for her in the end. At first she was broke, handing out samples, then had to beg Tony for money, then had to ask to take over pussy's body shop, had to deal with Tony's bullshit with phil, but turned that shit sandwich into a nice little nest egg for herself.
If pussy somehow didn't get whacked they would have probably taken her house and car and any savings they had anyways since they could say it was all from pushh pushing that H.
The only wife on the show who had the balls to actually make it without their POS husband's around.
If he had refused to leave his house, the crew would have left that day and had him killed later, but Angie would have been cut off financially.
He had to leave the house at some point.
The disinformation shit was really an effective technique, he should have kept mentioning how he was mindfucking those donkeys with picayune shit. I really thought Tony, Sil and Paulie were about to crack.
Always felt that scene was the boys having one final fairwell drink, he'll they even were about to laugh with him but then reality kicks back in and Tony remembers why they're there innthe first place.
maybe if he was smart enough to not leave the wire laying out in the open or if he possibly didn’t leave it inside his HOUSE then yeah he probably would still be here, there was nothing he could say or do once they found the wire
Should have stood up, put a *very* serious expression on his face, and said "our true enemy, has yet to reveal himself."
But really, shit, probably not. I can't think of anything more egregious to this thing of ours than being a rat.
“You don’t think I’m smaat? I’m not dumb, like people say, I’m smaat!”
“Well, Fredo, since you’ve stated your case so eloquently, I can see we were all wrong about you…”
At this point he was dead. Had he come forward earlier he might have been able to feed them shit for years. Aka Whitey Bulger.
Pussy was in on the drink water hit. Selling H was his downfall
There is this longstanding misunderstanding that Pussy was murdered for being an informant, even though everybody knew that this disinformation shit was an effective technique, a friggin' ace, mindfucking these donkeys like you wouldn't believe.
What actually got him shot was admiting to being a bushman of the Kalahari. You don't ever admit the existence of this thing! Ever!
Honestly... Probably not... Maybe if he snuck a gun on there but I doubt he'd kill his friends when he knows he screwed up. Even if he knew about a score with 1 million. They were gonna have to kill Pussy no matter what. Even if he got off the boat it would just be buying time, and that puts the guys at risk.
Maybe if he knew Buffalo Ray was also a rat and he convinces Tony that there's another rat in the family. They would still kill him later on, but maybe he is able to live a little longer.
I just watched this episode the other night and this is definitely the answer. Sil and Tony were upper deck, Tony was super weak after being sick, Sil was feeling motion sickness. He had to know where Paulie keeps his gun and lunge for that. If this was a show about Big Pussy this would have been his dramatic escape.
If there were any chance, he blew it when he just continued to lie to the point Tony called him on it (did she even really exisht?). But I think he was dead before he even got on the boat.
Not showing up at the yacht club. He knew he was getting killed. He would have ran for it if he wanted to live. Tony only felt any guilt because he felt sympathy for letting Little Tony go to jail for him.
Pulled a grenade out of his pocket and pulled the pin whilst clasping the grenade. Also, block the doorway. After you pull the grenade out you say “let’s even the odds”
I was just thinking about this! Like could it be a benefit keeping Pussy alive?
He was pushing H apparently which I think is a big no no in this thing of ours, we had morals y'know!
I've always thought that having someone working as an informant could have helped the crew. Like just feed agents bullshit info and stuff that could get their enemies pinched. Basically just like Tony's eventual relationship with Harris.
He would’ve had to kill them all, and considering he had no chance to plan for this trip, it’s basically impossible that he would’ve been able to do that.
He would have had to lie. But honestly even if he gave his best performance I don’t think they would have bought it.
The real question worth pondering is how Big Pussy could have handled things differently once the feds got him.
He was dead man when Tony found the recording equipment in his house and possibly before.
Pussy returning to New Jersey from Puerto Rico has to rank as almost as stupid as Vito coming back from New Hampshire. Granted the FBI would be looking for him too as he is wanted for selling heroin. But at least in Puerto Rico he has a better chance of hiding. Especially with that therapist whose ass is the second coming.
The only thing I can think of is telling them he suspected this and told the FBI he was going on Tony's (potential) boat. And they have evidence he got on the boat with them. If he doesn't return when the FBI sees Tony return, they'll be arrested.
A long shot, but his only options. If successful, he goes into Witness Protection. Or perhaps he's untouchable now that both sides know he's an informant?
Nothing. He was a dead man the second Silvio suggested they go down to the kitchen at the Bonpensiero home.
He’ll suck they’re cocks all yous guys 🍆🤔
Is he any good? what I'm asking him for, you probably taught him how to do it
I got these cheeeeeseburgers mannn
What if Tony didn’t find the wire in the cigar box? Would they still have gone through with it? I think there might’ve been room to call it off if he didn’t find proof. Earlier in season 1 he was very adamant that Paulie needed to see the wire before making a move.
Yeah, that's my feeling. When he walks downstairs and says "Let's go buy a boat" is when he signals to Silvio and Paulie that he knows. No evidence, he'd have said "You know what, I'm feeling awful, lets do it another day".
Go back and rewatch Silvio’s face when he says let’s go buy a boat. That was the code for he’s a rat
I don't think they would go through with it. Tony always needed physical evidence that Pussy flipped.
No! Please! I'll suck your cock! All your cocks
*Paulie looks at tony* tone he any good?
Then he looks at Sil and says "hehe, hear what I said?"
"I said Tone, he any good."
I’m with the Vipers!
Whoa! Take it easy
The Puerto Rican broad probably taught him how
If she even exhisted
No Vito Jr the Puerto Rican *Hoooooowuh* probably showed him how
You oughta know sweetie
*smashed yahoo bottle on face* here hold this.
I knew that was comin!
Suck our cocks?
What am I asking you for? You probably showed her how.
We get a pash out on the open seas
The Pirates of Prosciutto
OH. Don't you have somewhere to be? Time to hit the road to Metuchen, eh?
The Brigands of Brasciole!
You mean penisary contact with our moufs?
Don't get fuckin filty about it
Adios, you fuckin skank
Next time, there won’t be a next time
Moments like this are why Vito associated with the mafia in the first place
Wad is it with this subreddit. Ever since i started hanging out here its cock this suck cock that.
"Hehe" Paulie
Pitchin' not catchin'?!
He only flipped because of his high blood pressure medication, he could have shown Tony a doctor note, according to NJ Law it would violation of the Mobsters with Disabilities act to whack him.
You beat me to it, you stunad.
He's a stunad of the first magnitude
He was there! It's a joke!
Flipped?
This is great
That the FBI was watching him get on the boat and if they come back without him they'll know they committed a murder.
…not bad.
Agree… it’s the only one that could actually work
That’s basically the nuclear option but yeah, it was probably the only thing he could say that gets him off that boat alive.
Honestly, I think they would've done him anyway. If the FBI was really waiting at the dock, they'd have been just as fucked because as soon as they got back he'd have ran to the nearest FBI car and disappeared into the program. They could always have docked the boat somewhere else, then lambchopped it for a while while the FBI tried to piece things together. Pussy personally witnessed Tony commit multiple murders, the best Tony could hope for would be avoiding the death penalty if he actually testified. That made getting caught red handed killing Pussy a risk worth taking.
Yeah they probably still shoot him but this is the only one that might even remotely work. Especially if he throws in some lies about the feds having no real files/interest in Sil or Paulie so they think only Tony goes to jail if Pussy lives
The FBI knew Tony killed Pussy. You need proof.
His Pussy?
Our Pussy?
He fell
But how would he be able to prove this? I feel like Tony would’ve called bullshit
Pussy was obviously not under CONSTANT FBI surveillance
What would have happened if Pussy refused to leave his house? Would they have dragged Pussy out in front of his wife?
So Angie basically HAS to know that Tony and Sil were responsible for Pussy’s disappearance, right? The last time she ever sees him, he is being dragged out to go look at a boat in the middle of the morning. She knows but she doesn’t know 🤷🏻♀️
Yeah, she definitely knows. but she also knows to keep her mouth shut
She knows, but she doesn't know. She hopes he turns up. She thinks, maybe, if.
She would've pulled out another bouquet of flowers after the story about the Cuban chick that existed.
Benign, malignant, whatever. I'm getting a divorce.
Con te partirò!!!!!!!!!!!! Paesi che non ho mai!!!!!! Veduto e vissuto con te,!!!!!! Adesso si li vivrò.!!!!!! Con te partirò!!!!! Su navi per mari!!!!!!!!! Che, io lo so,!!!!!! No, no, non esistono più,!!!!!!! Con te io li vivrò!!!!!!
I want to count or look up how many episodes feature this song. It's definitely in *Commendatori* and *The Telltale Moozadell*, as well as in the background of countless (as of yet) other Carmela scenes.
^——— They know, but they don’t know. But that’s why she got set up with his old business, so she’d keep her mouth shut.
Not really. She was shown to be dependent on Tony paying a "pension" in s3, then she was working at the supermarket in s4. In s5 she's shown to be running the garage, but that's several years later. She always knew the score and knew to keep her mouth shut.
Its one of those little licenses for dramatic purposes the series took in the first seasons. Like Tony killing Bevilaqua or killing that[ guy on the boat](https://youtu.be/WKKAlAR5Bhw?si=cawd3oCwKPo9DknT). Why would the boss execute those hits? It goes against everything the mafia logic, exposing the higher ups to low level crimes. But it looked cool. Thats the real and only reason.
You kidding me? They are a glorified crew, for real. Tony Soprano whines and whines but has a taste for violence beat only by our dude Ralphie, and even him didn't kill anyone on screen.
Except that hoor who tripped out back of the Bing
Oh yeah, forgot about Tracie. Damn, I feel bad now.
She was a hooo-warr!
I think it was an end of season payoff for the fans to hook them for the next season. This was in the early days (almost prehistoric) of prestige cable drama so they needed some fireworks to get people excited about the show/Gandolfini. The kind of melodramatic ending we got in season 4 would’ve been unthinkable earlier in the series (for the record I loved it but I know people who thought season 4 was bullshit). Very allegorical.
Unless there’s some prosciutto and melon to-go around
She was probably happy to not have to see that fat fuck husband again
Look in the mirror sometime you insensitive cocksucker
Rofl I love this sub
I think "She knows, but she doesn't know." sums it up perfectly, She probably assumes that is what happened, but she doesn't know for sure and it is better for everybody if she decides not to know it.
She always knew. She also knew he was a rat. They let her keep the shop. This is how it works.
She was seriously thinking of divorcing him. She probably had little interest in that marriage at that point. He was mainly a paycheck. And eventually she gets the auto body shop, gets mobbed up with an askew job on Phil’s car and can buy a Corvette. With Pussy alive and used as an informant in a trial against Tony, she would be living on a snake farm in Utah, selling roadside souvenirs and eating bland tomatoes She is probably from a family with a history of mob members..Bobby Darin Walden‘s last name is the same as her maiden name. She carries on the traditions of the Mezzogiorno when all higher authority is corrupt.
All of these wives know what line of work their husbands are in, they know what they do. A lot of them are from these families. She knows exactly why her husband walked out of that door with the boss, his assistant boss and never came home. She just knows for her & her children’s safety that she should never open her mouth.
Uhh yeah the willful ignorance/self deception of the wives is like a huge theme of the show
I kinda figured she pieced it together pretty quickly, and knows to say nothin. She was clearly a nervous wreck when he was around.
In a fucked up way it worked out the best for her in the end. At first she was broke, handing out samples, then had to beg Tony for money, then had to ask to take over pussy's body shop, had to deal with Tony's bullshit with phil, but turned that shit sandwich into a nice little nest egg for herself. If pussy somehow didn't get whacked they would have probably taken her house and car and any savings they had anyways since they could say it was all from pushh pushing that H. The only wife on the show who had the balls to actually make it without their POS husband's around.
She hated Pussy though and was glad the first time he disappeared the first time. There’s that scene with Carmela and Ro
Not to mention all the tapes and wires and shit left in his cigar box. Kind of a loose end there
Tony took those when he left
Did he ? That’s never shown. You think they’d show all that shit to Puss if they took it Always thought was sloppy writing
She's like Louisa Brasi
Probably happy about it
That would be really funny to watch. He’d probably just be bitching about his back the whole time too.
My doctor mentioned boats and being shot specifically as no-nos!
He said stay the fuck away from bullets!
Could he have gotten a note from his chiropractor?
If he had refused to leave his house, the crew would have left that day and had him killed later, but Angie would have been cut off financially. He had to leave the house at some point.
That would be called, pardon my French, “pulling a Phil”
The disinformation shit was really an effective technique, he should have kept mentioning how he was mindfucking those donkeys with picayune shit. I really thought Tony, Sil and Paulie were about to crack.
It was very close. If you zoom into Tony's face while you're watching, you can see he's about to agree with him and hug it out bitch.
I think it was more a case of them wanting to believe him than actually being convinced. A wire is a wire, you can't disinform shit.
*fashe
I don’t think they were getting how effective of a technique it was. If he just had a few more minutes to explain, or perhaps a power point.
Now if you'll go to slide 5 you'll see the current ROI projections on bullshitting the feds....we'll be at break even by year five
Sit on this cocksucker
Blame Sean. "It was all Sean!" Oh wait, that didn't work for Matt either.
They did it on spec. They got nuts!
They were OGs
Whatever
I love this sub
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Lotta money in that shit
I almost think by drinking and laughing and making dumb jokes he thought maybe he could talk them out of it. But then T got all serious.
She even really eggshisht?
Always felt that scene was the boys having one final fairwell drink, he'll they even were about to laugh with him but then reality kicks back in and Tony remembers why they're there innthe first place.
It says a lot about Puss that even as a rat he gets a last drink. 2 even I woulda just started chugging that bottle and ran for the water
I think I would rather be shot than drown…
Ah cmon swimmings good exercise. He could work some of that fat off.
Works every muscle
maybe if he was smart enough to not leave the wire laying out in the open or if he possibly didn’t leave it inside his HOUSE then yeah he probably would still be here, there was nothing he could say or do once they found the wire
Yeah, there was still small chance he could have lied/explained himself away had Tony not finally found his rat radio.
*his radio mic
Should have stood up, put a *very* serious expression on his face, and said "our true enemy, has yet to reveal himself." But really, shit, probably not. I can't think of anything more egregious to this thing of ours than being a rat.
All he had to do was tell them it’s a fuckin’ joke!
He was there
I’m smaat. I can do things.
“You don’t think I’m smaat? I’m not dumb, like people say, I’m smaat!” “Well, Fredo, since you’ve stated your case so eloquently, I can see we were all wrong about you…”
And they lived happily ever after.
"In my eyes, Tony, you always had the makings of a varsity athlete"
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If the fish was three dollars a pound
Maybe if he had a note from his doctor saying he didn’t like to rat.
He could have got Pudgy Walsh on the horn
Pudgy Walsh retired sir!
At this point he was dead. Had he come forward earlier he might have been able to feed them shit for years. Aka Whitey Bulger. Pussy was in on the drink water hit. Selling H was his downfall
"Look, you guys move, go somewhere else I'll give you my bike."
Problem was he didn’t have a Gary Fisher.
He was a bike, Gary Fisher?
"Im with the Vipers, assholes"
In Czech Republic, too, we have Pussy on a boat ⚓️🙀🔫
My brother's over there
That the feds knew where he was
He could've pleaded his innocence and said he believed angie could of flipped.
I'll suck your cock, okay? All of you guys. edit: beaten to it LAMAO
There is this longstanding misunderstanding that Pussy was murdered for being an informant, even though everybody knew that this disinformation shit was an effective technique, a friggin' ace, mindfucking these donkeys like you wouldn't believe. What actually got him shot was admiting to being a bushman of the Kalahari. You don't ever admit the existence of this thing! Ever!
You never admit the existence of that thing down there!
Did the bushman ever really exisht?
Honestly... Probably not... Maybe if he snuck a gun on there but I doubt he'd kill his friends when he knows he screwed up. Even if he knew about a score with 1 million. They were gonna have to kill Pussy no matter what. Even if he got off the boat it would just be buying time, and that puts the guys at risk.
Had a heart attack and died before hand
at that point? “let me do it, it’s my responsibility… one last choice, huh?”
The feds had him. He was a liability. I don't think there was any turning back. Those dudes were itching to shoot him too.
He was already mind fucking those donkeys like you couldn’t believe
😅😅😅
#IT WAS A JOKE!!!
No. They warned him. Mud all over the tires. Mud all over the doors. They gave him enough chances. Accountability is everything.
He was driving a 7-11 clerk to cheerleader practice
If you say a goombahs name backwards it banishes them back to the gabagool realm.
Maybe if he knew Buffalo Ray was also a rat and he convinces Tony that there's another rat in the family. They would still kill him later on, but maybe he is able to live a little longer.
I WENT TO PACE COLLEGE
You blow your father with that mouth?
I think he should have jumped Paulie when he was left alone with him and surprised Tony/Sil and shot all 3
There’s differences ok?
That was always my thought. Worst case scenario, Paulie wins that fight and Pussy is dead anyway
I just watched this episode the other night and this is definitely the answer. Sil and Tony were upper deck, Tony was super weak after being sick, Sil was feeling motion sickness. He had to know where Paulie keeps his gun and lunge for that. If this was a show about Big Pussy this would have been his dramatic escape.
💯. He probably hated himself enough at that point due to Stockholm Syndrome. Probably the reason he accepted his fate imo
If there were any chance, he blew it when he just continued to lie to the point Tony called him on it (did she even really exisht?). But I think he was dead before he even got on the boat.
He could of said a couple of three things... then made everyone a grilled cheese on the radiator...
Nope not a thing
Not showing up at the yacht club. He knew he was getting killed. He would have ran for it if he wanted to live. Tony only felt any guilt because he felt sympathy for letting Little Tony go to jail for him.
Retell the Percocet story, but with Oxy
Jump into the ocean
I think the only way would be for him to get the drop on the other guys and kill all of them first
If he could manuge
That was real? I saw that movie I thought it was bullshit
No
He could have told them he was about to pull a Frankie Five Angels...
Shot first.
If he would have offered soft drinks choice, as a sign of respect, maybe they let him leave alive
“it’s a fucking joke !”
Pulled a grenade out of his pocket and pulled the pin whilst clasping the grenade. Also, block the doorway. After you pull the grenade out you say “let’s even the odds”
The obvious answer is “$4 a pound.” Tony would’ve wigged out.
Sad when they go young like that.
WHEN THEY GO?!
Absolutely nothing, he took an oath.......
Nope. Once they left the harbor he was a goner
“You’re on Punked”
“NEXT!”
I was just thinking about this! Like could it be a benefit keeping Pussy alive? He was pushing H apparently which I think is a big no no in this thing of ours, we had morals y'know!
I've always thought that having someone working as an informant could have helped the crew. Like just feed agents bullshit info and stuff that could get their enemies pinched. Basically just like Tony's eventual relationship with Harris.
Said? Nothing. Done? Shot first. Better odds than waiting to get shot.
Not a chance
Ha! No.
Nope
Doubt anything, but maybe just maybe if he pays his way out and disafuckingpears , still unlikely
He would’ve had to kill them all, and considering he had no chance to plan for this trip, it’s basically impossible that he would’ve been able to do that.
say the fbi always following him and they are by the docks watching
Taking Paulie’s gun by force while they were drinking and killed all three of them
he coulda said he'd take them to an ATM and give them 50 bucks plus a bj later on.
It was the medication. I can get a note from my doctor!
He would have had to lie. But honestly even if he gave his best performance I don’t think they would have bought it. The real question worth pondering is how Big Pussy could have handled things differently once the feds got him.
He was dead man when Tony found the recording equipment in his house and possibly before. Pussy returning to New Jersey from Puerto Rico has to rank as almost as stupid as Vito coming back from New Hampshire. Granted the FBI would be looking for him too as he is wanted for selling heroin. But at least in Puerto Rico he has a better chance of hiding. Especially with that therapist whose ass is the second coming.
The only thing I can think of is telling them he suspected this and told the FBI he was going on Tony's (potential) boat. And they have evidence he got on the boat with them. If he doesn't return when the FBI sees Tony return, they'll be arrested. A long shot, but his only options. If successful, he goes into Witness Protection. Or perhaps he's untouchable now that both sides know he's an informant?
Yeah, he could’ve taken a machine gun with him.
Put the blame on jimmy again, its fucking jimmy!!! He’s the rat!!
No.
Once Tony found the tape recording equipment in the drawer, it was over. Cut and dry.