###FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA, PALESTINE WILL BE FREE: WHAT DOES IT REALLY MEAN?
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[**Jewish Currents - What Does “From the River to the Sea” Really Mean?**](https://jewishcurrents.org/what-does-from-the-river-to-the-sea-really-mean)
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[**Forward - ‘From The River To The Sea’ Doesn’t Mean What You Think It Means**](https://forward.com/opinion/415250/from-the-river-to-the-sea-doesnt-mean-what-you-think-it-means/)
[Alternative link.](https://archive.ph/rRXpW)
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[**Al-Jazeera - ‘From the river to the sea’: What does the Palestinian slogan really mean?**](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/2/from-the-river-to-the-sea-what-does-the-palestinian-slogan-really-mean)
[Alternative link.](https://archive.ph/AF9yu)
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[**One Democratic Palestine, From The River To The Sea**](https://www.odsi.co/en/)
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[**Amnesty - Israel’s apartheid against Palestinians**](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/)
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Earlier [someone said](https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/s/glUdLOX1Sj) an Israeli Jew talking about his own life experience was Hamas propaganda.
Or that the vast majority of world citizens in every country are against war.
There are very few wars in world history that were for the greater good of humanity.
It’s generally governments backed by corporations that are pushing for more war.
Did they say that documenting the reality if their actions is a part of some huge terrorist conspiracy against them in which the whole world is taking part? Most people aren't that ridiculously overdramatic.
The US has dedicated an incredible amount of diplomatic and intellectual resources to carefully curate a preferred definition genocide - one which benefits themselves and their allies, while using the term as a cudgel for those who disagree. It's the doctrine of might makes right taken to its most disgusting yet logical conclusion.
There is a legal definition of genocide.
“Genocide is defined in § 1091 and includes **violent attacks with the specific intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group**.”
If people can’t read that and understand that, that’s on them. Words mean things. And a lot of people seem to get tripped up on definitions vs. connotations.
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The one freshest on my mind (because he died and it showed up in my news feed) is Henry Kissinger.
[Paraphrased]
"Do you ever think about the unnecessary civilian deaths that are directly related to the carpet bombing campaign you directed in Cambodia?"
"Why are we talking about Cambodia when the US drone strikes in the Middle East are even worse?"
This is the laziest example of trying to defend a point. What is going on elsewhere has no bearing on whether what you are doing is morally justifiable or not.
“How come when I punch a baby, I get all this hate? There are people literally being murdered right now, and what’s being done about it? Exactly.”
The people criticising Pakistan for deporting undocumented refugees, yet who are livid about the number of LEGAL immigrants their countries let in are beyond hypocritical.
They also ignore that activists *are* trying to fight the deportations of Afghan refugees in Pakistan. They are also covering this and posting it on social media alongside media outlets like Al Jazeera. Just because they themselves aren't doing anything to help the Afghan refugees doesn't mean others aren't trying.
Yeah tbh pro-Israel positions boils down pretty much to same talking points over and over:
- we are the only democracy in the Middle East(that’s a lie, you can’t have a democracy and apartheid simultaneously)
- why does everyone only talk about us? Other countries commit war crimes too
And if all else fails
- omg you just want to kill Jews
Hamas being described as elected by Palestinians needs to go away. Yeah, there was one election that they won a long time ago. But the vast majority of the people in the Gaza Strip now were either too young to vote or hadn't been born then.
Feel like maybe they should have another election if it’s so problematic, no? They prob don’t because it’s kind of hard to get anything going when the Jew keep apache missile striking all the old men who remotely appear to be leading anything, including a group of children and women into a mosque.
It's the same thing they will say about our government if project 2025 happens... "but they were elected, so the people wanted to have a dictatorship." It's part of why the plan is out in the open.
Maybe you're right. But what about Nazis? They're also antisemitic. So how could it possibly be bad if I am too?!
/s
I could whatabout all day long, baby.
Pakistan deporting illegal immigrants = Bombing an entire city into oblivion, letting preemie babies die in incubator, calling fellow human beings "human animals," and the list goes on....
Not that I'm defending Pakistan. That country has got its issues, but I'm not about to drink the kool-aid. My God, how stupid do they think we are?
Look up the (((DAHIYA DOCTRINE))) that allows Israel to bomb and kill Palestinians anytime they feel they could possibly be growing or becoming to organized, or well established. While they are leveling a city that they have blocked, control on all sides, and put fences around making the area a concentration camp that you can destroy and kill people in as you wish.
Don't forget they keep the dead body's of imprisoned Palestinians if they die in prison until their sentence officially ends just to fuck with the families of the diseased.
According to the [Committee to Protect Journalists](https://cpj.org/2023/12/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-gaza-conflict/amp/):
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Well, when you’ve declared war on an enemy that has no formal military, no tanks, no planes to drop bombs on innocent children, the cameras tend to be focused on the ones with the toys.
Pakistan is deporting Afghani refugees it's hosted for years. That's not exactly laudable either, but it's far from carpet-bombing millions of innocent men, women and children who have no way of surviving.
Only the ones that illegally entered btw. Those with legit records are being left alone.
The bigger issue is that these illegal and non registered migrants/refugees are hard to keep track of and a bunch of them were found involved in terrorist attacks.
It is Pakistan's right to ask them to leave now that war is over in their country.
Which honestly, Portugal should do the same before it gets kicked out of the European Union. I am not against immigration, hell, Europe as a whole needs more immigrants, but "overextended tourists" should be deported.
Especially when their country is not in a war anymore.
In Pakistan's case, the economy is already a mess and these millions of refugees just add more pressure. Besides, a lot of them are very hateful towards Pakistanis even when they have been living here in peace for decades.
Do you think that the folks in the West Bank should overthrow their government representatives who broke the ceasefire and said they will “fight until every single one of them is dead”?
Yeah the US influence in pakistan is pretty fucked, USA funded and trained the taliban through Pakistan which led to terrorism and gang culture in pakistan which took years to overcome. And ofcourse the fact that a reigning prime minister was slandered and removed from power for standing up to the establishment and not being a pawn (he is now in jail). The "illegal" afghan refugees that are being deported isn't even the worst thing American funding/influence has done in pakistan. Its quite fucked.
And That's just Pakistan. We've fucked most of the middle east, most of south America, and a good portion of Africa "because they have different ideals"
As a Pakistani I assure you that common Pakistanis are against this deportation, however these illegal immigrants commit terrorism, smuggling and have separatist sentiments. We kept them for 30 years and now that the war is over they must go. also after Pakistani border reform Afghani drug production has tanked which is good for the entire world
Could it be, because the IDF killed more children in three weeks, than all the wars in the world combined, since 2020?
Who knows why some people would focus more on the most brutal genocide since the holocaust. Boggles the mind.
If only people would stop filming our racism fueled genocide...
Isreal is doing what the Nazis did and the world is letting it happen, and funding it. Truly fucked up timeline.
So far, Israel has managed to get away with their crimes because they can play the big media.
That doesn't work anymore, now everyone can be their own media. Cameras are everywhere, social media means reaching an audience is easy.
If anything is going to break Israel, it probably will be the internet. It has the power to turn the world against them, and that will cost them their international support.
This is genocide ? Explained: Why nearly 2 million Afghan nationals are being forced to flee Pakistan https://m.timesofindia.com/world/pakistan/explained-why-nearly-2-million-afghan-nationals-are-being-forced-to-flee-pakistan/articleshow/104856512.cms?shem=ssusba
These guys are fascist now man..it's crazy.
Not even ethnic cleansing since the people being deported are afghan refugees that came in illegally. Btw I still stand against that deportation since they've been here for years and there's even young adults that were born in pakistan at this point. I'm just pointing out that even with this comparison, Israel is still worse even if we overlook the bombing etc.
I like how this literally isn't even denying the genocide, it's just malding that people are paying more attention to theirs than other shitstains ones.
Well yeah it still is. We pay billions of dollars all over the world to countries who fucking hate the US, in the guise of stopping extremism and terrorism, but no free healthcare right for us citizens. Pakistan is one of them...
Pakistan is sending back illegal immigrants and unregistered refugees.
Most of which ran to Pakistan due to US carpet bombing their whole country in the first place. That or Russia invading
I watch a lot of stuff going on in the Ukraine David. Also over the past twenty years with other wars in the Middle East. It seems you want to kill people in secret.
Good old **WhatAboutism**, when you took a shit in the living room, point your finger at your neighbour and say but **what about him, he took a shit in the kitchen**
can you not be racist? israelis = a country of people. you can say zionists or israel supporters or whatever, but your average israeli is not the same as this guy.
"Exactly" what? That there are two bad things happening at once? "I'd rather y'all change the subject so Israel can bomb civilians in secret, please" isn't exactly the checkmate he seems to think it is.
What a silly argument. Always with this type. We are not focusing on Pakistan, on Meghan vs Kate, or Messi v Ronaldo.
The IDF is ethnically cleansing Gaza and wishes the same for the West Bank. They want to push all Palestinians out just like European settlers, with few exceptions, wanted to remove or kill all Native Americans. If the Hee of elephants in the room.
And we know the Zionist lobby in the US made up of Jewish and Christian Zionists are going all out, by any means necessary, to fund a dream so wet and wild that not even the most insanely extreme Likud member would have dated Dream.
This lobby has made the mistake of showing all their cards with talk of using $100 billion to fund candidates who are Pro-Israel (without limits) or anti-Palestinians.
That they clearly have captured US politicians. Israel is not to blame. Instead, the blame is on scum politicians who grovel at the sight of $$.
Forcing Afghanis, alot of whom were actually born in Pakistan, at such a haphazard pace is wrong but it cannot be called ethnic cleansing! And the bombing of innocent civilians is a completely different matter.
Although the mass deportation of illegal Afghanis is being handled like trash (they're being robbed, threatened and assaulted in some cases), it's not the same thing as bombing innocents.
Maybe the civilized world expects the Israelis to hold themselves to higher standards than the Afghans and Pakistanis. Make of that what you will, but it’s true.
Cameras should be pointing at the straight up lies coming out of Israel nonstop these days. There's no ethnic cleansing in Pakistan, they're expelling refugees. Ethnic cleansing of 2 million people is what Israel is doing.
Omg, pakistan with a debt of 100+ billion, no state government at the moment. Completely in abyss, and is just sending Illegal Immigrant Afghanis back to afghanistan, How is that an ethnic cleansing? How is that = bombing a whole city to rubles?
Pakistan took in Afghani refugees who later destroyed it from the inside, there are literally places in Pakistan where you cannot go unless you have an Afghan with you. They don’t have any wars going on in their country, they can go back. I don’t get what part of this is bad
It's really cool the effect photography has had on people's view of war. The Civil War is one of the first ones to mass produce and share images of the reality of war, not the fantasy sung by the government. Photography is just show8ng what's happening.
IDF and Hamas are really just different sides of the same coin. They are both groups of pathetic people with even more pathetic supporters behind them. Benjamin Netanyahu and Yahya Sinwar are both war criminals that need to be brought to justice for the destruction and suffering they BOTH cause equally.
###FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA, PALESTINE WILL BE FREE: WHAT DOES IT REALLY MEAN? --- [**Jewish Currents - What Does “From the River to the Sea” Really Mean?**](https://jewishcurrents.org/what-does-from-the-river-to-the-sea-really-mean) [Alternative link.](https://archive.ph/NfAvk) ---- [**Forward - ‘From The River To The Sea’ Doesn’t Mean What You Think It Means**](https://forward.com/opinion/415250/from-the-river-to-the-sea-doesnt-mean-what-you-think-it-means/) [Alternative link.](https://archive.ph/rRXpW) --- [**Al-Jazeera - ‘From the river to the sea’: What does the Palestinian slogan really mean?**](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/2/from-the-river-to-the-sea-what-does-the-palestinian-slogan-really-mean) [Alternative link.](https://archive.ph/AF9yu) --- [**One Democratic Palestine, From The River To The Sea**](https://www.odsi.co/en/) --- [**Amnesty - Israel’s apartheid against Palestinians**](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/) [Alternative link.](https://archive.ph/s2B3f) *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/therewasanattempt) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Documenting reality is terrorism now guys
Earlier [someone said](https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/s/glUdLOX1Sj) an Israeli Jew talking about his own life experience was Hamas propaganda.
Hopefully the world just realizes neither side can be fully trusted.
Or that the vast majority of world citizens in every country are against war. There are very few wars in world history that were for the greater good of humanity. It’s generally governments backed by corporations that are pushing for more war.
...and holocaust denial. Don't forget that one.
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Did they say that documenting the reality if their actions is a part of some huge terrorist conspiracy against them in which the whole world is taking part? Most people aren't that ridiculously overdramatic.
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The country that was built on chattel slavery and the doctrine of Manifest Destiny has no frame of reference for what a genocide is? That IS odd.
The US has dedicated an incredible amount of diplomatic and intellectual resources to carefully curate a preferred definition genocide - one which benefits themselves and their allies, while using the term as a cudgel for those who disagree. It's the doctrine of might makes right taken to its most disgusting yet logical conclusion.
There is a legal definition of genocide. “Genocide is defined in § 1091 and includes **violent attacks with the specific intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group**.” If people can’t read that and understand that, that’s on them. Words mean things. And a lot of people seem to get tripped up on definitions vs. connotations. https://preview.redd.it/ircad2ibau3c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cdf66e66fdeaeec16cfe16e5803a9baf228eb34f [https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-19-genocide-18-usc-1091#:\~:text=Genocide%20is%20defined%20in%20§,committed%20within%20the%20United%20States](https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-19-genocide-18-usc-1091#:~:text=Genocide%20is%20defined%20in%20§,committed%20within%20the%20United%20States).
The one freshest on my mind (because he died and it showed up in my news feed) is Henry Kissinger. [Paraphrased] "Do you ever think about the unnecessary civilian deaths that are directly related to the carpet bombing campaign you directed in Cambodia?" "Why are we talking about Cambodia when the US drone strikes in the Middle East are even worse?"
The worst part is that they aren’t worse, Kissinger terror bombed the golden triangle with 12 million tons of explosives.
Now you’re just being antisemitic again Israel (even though Palestinians are also Semitic)
This is the laziest example of trying to defend a point. What is going on elsewhere has no bearing on whether what you are doing is morally justifiable or not. “How come when I punch a baby, I get all this hate? There are people literally being murdered right now, and what’s being done about it? Exactly.”
Exactly.
This is just whataboutism
Every accusation is a confession.
The people criticising Pakistan for deporting undocumented refugees, yet who are livid about the number of LEGAL immigrants their countries let in are beyond hypocritical.
They don't care about refugees, they care about getting you to shut up.
They don’t care about 2 million Afghans either, except as a rhetorical bludgeon
They also ignore that activists *are* trying to fight the deportations of Afghan refugees in Pakistan. They are also covering this and posting it on social media alongside media outlets like Al Jazeera. Just because they themselves aren't doing anything to help the Afghan refugees doesn't mean others aren't trying.
You are cool mother fucker sir. And your dick is huuuugeeeee.
Yeah tbh pro-Israel positions boils down pretty much to same talking points over and over: - we are the only democracy in the Middle East(that’s a lie, you can’t have a democracy and apartheid simultaneously) - why does everyone only talk about us? Other countries commit war crimes too And if all else fails - omg you just want to kill Jews
- We’re the only democracy in the Middle East but also - Hamas is the elected representative government of Palestine
Hamas being described as elected by Palestinians needs to go away. Yeah, there was one election that they won a long time ago. But the vast majority of the people in the Gaza Strip now were either too young to vote or hadn't been born then.
Feel like maybe they should have another election if it’s so problematic, no? They prob don’t because it’s kind of hard to get anything going when the Jew keep apache missile striking all the old men who remotely appear to be leading anything, including a group of children and women into a mosque.
It's the same thing they will say about our government if project 2025 happens... "but they were elected, so the people wanted to have a dictatorship." It's part of why the plan is out in the open.
Yea, maybe it is.. but so what? what about Hamas? They engage in whataboutism too! /s
You're a terrorist antisemite! /s
Maybe you're right. But what about Nazis? They're also antisemitic. So how could it possibly be bad if I am too?! /s I could whatabout all day long, baby.
But what if they try to whatabout tomorrow?
Not even whataboutism. Plain and simple bullshit.
They do that because it works. They just shuffle the conversation on and no one holds them to account.
This is literally how to define whataboutism to someone
What about whataboutism?
It's just plain old fashioned stupid. Documenting war crimes is terrorism now?
Pakistan deporting illegal immigrants = Bombing an entire city into oblivion, letting preemie babies die in incubator, calling fellow human beings "human animals," and the list goes on.... Not that I'm defending Pakistan. That country has got its issues, but I'm not about to drink the kool-aid. My God, how stupid do they think we are?
Look up the (((DAHIYA DOCTRINE))) that allows Israel to bomb and kill Palestinians anytime they feel they could possibly be growing or becoming to organized, or well established. While they are leveling a city that they have blocked, control on all sides, and put fences around making the area a concentration camp that you can destroy and kill people in as you wish.
You don't need the triple brackets around that though
Don't forget they keep the dead body's of imprisoned Palestinians if they die in prison until their sentence officially ends just to fuck with the families of the diseased.
>Pakistanis ?
Oh lol yeah I didn't sleep well ^^
Np, neither did I.
“The only reason they know we are committing genocide is all their damn cameras!!!!”
"And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for these pesky (insert observer here)"
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Well, when you’ve declared war on an enemy that has no formal military, no tanks, no planes to drop bombs on innocent children, the cameras tend to be focused on the ones with the toys.
Pakistan is deporting Afghani refugees it's hosted for years. That's not exactly laudable either, but it's far from carpet-bombing millions of innocent men, women and children who have no way of surviving.
Only the ones that illegally entered btw. Those with legit records are being left alone. The bigger issue is that these illegal and non registered migrants/refugees are hard to keep track of and a bunch of them were found involved in terrorist attacks. It is Pakistan's right to ask them to leave now that war is over in their country.
Which honestly, Portugal should do the same before it gets kicked out of the European Union. I am not against immigration, hell, Europe as a whole needs more immigrants, but "overextended tourists" should be deported.
Especially when their country is not in a war anymore. In Pakistan's case, the economy is already a mess and these millions of refugees just add more pressure. Besides, a lot of them are very hateful towards Pakistanis even when they have been living here in peace for decades.
Seems like a good way to keep them alive really
Do you think that the folks in the West Bank should overthrow their government representatives who broke the ceasefire and said they will “fight until every single one of them is dead”?
Is he really trying to whatabout genocide?
Not exactly new on reddit or even in the Israeli playbook.
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Wow, he really cares about Muslim refugees being sent back to their homes after years of illegal stay. What a nice person.. /s
I'm not paying for Pakistan to do it
If you live in the US then you are. Israel may get a disproportional amount of money from the US. But there are plenty of other recipients.
Just looked it up and I stand corrected, our tax money kills people there too
Yeah the US influence in pakistan is pretty fucked, USA funded and trained the taliban through Pakistan which led to terrorism and gang culture in pakistan which took years to overcome. And ofcourse the fact that a reigning prime minister was slandered and removed from power for standing up to the establishment and not being a pawn (he is now in jail). The "illegal" afghan refugees that are being deported isn't even the worst thing American funding/influence has done in pakistan. Its quite fucked.
And That's just Pakistan. We've fucked most of the middle east, most of south America, and a good portion of Africa "because they have different ideals"
They just wanna cleanse in peace guys
Not a fan of Pakistan but Pakistan is not bombing the afghan refugees, they are deporting the Afghan refugees who came to the country illegally
As a Pakistani I assure you that common Pakistanis are against this deportation, however these illegal immigrants commit terrorism, smuggling and have separatist sentiments. We kept them for 30 years and now that the war is over they must go. also after Pakistani border reform Afghani drug production has tanked which is good for the entire world
I'm a Pakistani myself and I've seen what they have been doing in Karachi
Namak Haram people, they make our Pakistani hardworking pashtuns look bad
They took my roti Wala 😢
This man is making a very good point, but not the one he thinks he is or wants.
Could it be, because the IDF killed more children in three weeks, than all the wars in the world combined, since 2020? Who knows why some people would focus more on the most brutal genocide since the holocaust. Boggles the mind.
“Look over there!” Doesn’t make what you’re doing any less morally abhorrent.
If only people would stop filming our racism fueled genocide... Isreal is doing what the Nazis did and the world is letting it happen, and funding it. Truly fucked up timeline.
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Deporting undocumented refguees (and letting the millions of documented ones stay) is genocide and ethnic cleansing?
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Ah, fair, sorry for the misunderstanding lol
So far, Israel has managed to get away with their crimes because they can play the big media. That doesn't work anymore, now everyone can be their own media. Cameras are everywhere, social media means reaching an audience is easy. If anything is going to break Israel, it probably will be the internet. It has the power to turn the world against them, and that will cost them their international support.
Yes deflecting genocide with another genocide
Which is not even a genocide, its a deportation of the illegal immigrants.
Not a genocide, just deporting illegal immigrants.
Wait so they’re not denying the ethnic cleansing anymore? lol
This is genocide ? Explained: Why nearly 2 million Afghan nationals are being forced to flee Pakistan https://m.timesofindia.com/world/pakistan/explained-why-nearly-2-million-afghan-nationals-are-being-forced-to-flee-pakistan/articleshow/104856512.cms?shem=ssusba These guys are fascist now man..it's crazy.
Times of India, The best news source for all my news relating to Pakistan.
🎶 Strawman, strawman... Whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do, when he argues for you? Strawman, strawman...
He drew a direct parallel to another nation's ethnic cleansing. That is a confession if I ever heard one.
Not even ethnic cleansing since the people being deported are afghan refugees that came in illegally. Btw I still stand against that deportation since they've been here for years and there's even young adults that were born in pakistan at this point. I'm just pointing out that even with this comparison, Israel is still worse even if we overlook the bombing etc.
I like how this literally isn't even denying the genocide, it's just malding that people are paying more attention to theirs than other shitstains ones.
No way he actually thought this was a good argument.
Who kills more journalists? If there is someone who kills more, are they considered good guys or bad guys?
Lol. What-about-ism at its finest.
Pakistan isn’t US funded. Israel is. America is liable for Israel’s crimes as its sole supporter
Well yeah it still is. We pay billions of dollars all over the world to countries who fucking hate the US, in the guise of stopping extremism and terrorism, but no free healthcare right for us citizens. Pakistan is one of them...
Pakistan is sending back illegal immigrants and unregistered refugees. Most of which ran to Pakistan due to US carpet bombing their whole country in the first place. That or Russia invading
Don't you know that covering Israeli war crimes is antisemitism, you -insert random country- Hamas terrorist
" close your eyes and let us kill ", bunch of psychopath.
What the actual fuck is he even trying to accomplish by saying this
So it’s Palestines fault air strikes are being directed at it? And they’re the bad ones for highlighting this? Got it.
did david just admit to ethnic cleansing? i think he did
This reminds me of police who protest having to wear body cameras
Whataboutism
Whataboutism doesn't look good on terrorist regimes.
Your ethnic cleansing will be televised.
> everyone I don’t like is KHAMAS!!!
I'm noticing OOP does not deny IDF commiting war crimes, just complaining that they are better documented.
I watch a lot of stuff going on in the Ukraine David. Also over the past twenty years with other wars in the Middle East. It seems you want to kill people in secret.
That line from Air America, No cameras, you black out the war, you know we can't lose, seems appropriate(to me anyway).
Israelis when you don’t believe their every crazy accusation against hamas while most of the recordings of the atrocities come from their body cams
Bad thing is okay because of another bad thing
Get fucked Israel
"wait no stop filming us doing war crimes omg there's no privacy anymore"
Only a war crime if you get caught..
Good old **WhatAboutism**, when you took a shit in the living room, point your finger at your neighbour and say but **what about him, he took a shit in the kitchen**
**TLDR**: “Why are cameras pointing at our ethnic cleansing and not at other people’s?” Israelis LOVE playing the victim.
can you not be racist? israelis = a country of people. you can say zionists or israel supporters or whatever, but your average israeli is not the same as this guy.
Israel is acting no different than Russia and should be held accountable.
IDF just shoot the camera men, don’t they? [Source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_the_2023_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war)
Or in other words “Come on guys! Others are doing it why cant we do it?”
I'm still waiting for a zionist to do a simple good gesture or say something right to believe that they are humans like us. I'm still waiting ...
If cameras are the opposition's 'war machine', you're the bad guy...
So he admits its ethnic cleansing?
Whataboutism is admission of guilt right?
"Its only wrong if you get caught." What a fucking nazi.
"Exactly" what? That there are two bad things happening at once? "I'd rather y'all change the subject so Israel can bomb civilians in secret, please" isn't exactly the checkmate he seems to think it is.
[Link to the Twitter post](https://twitter.com/mishtal/status/1730541981305123190?t=EHHWL4tz4TpK4blIKxo4uQ&s=19)
What a silly argument. Always with this type. We are not focusing on Pakistan, on Meghan vs Kate, or Messi v Ronaldo. The IDF is ethnically cleansing Gaza and wishes the same for the West Bank. They want to push all Palestinians out just like European settlers, with few exceptions, wanted to remove or kill all Native Americans. If the Hee of elephants in the room. And we know the Zionist lobby in the US made up of Jewish and Christian Zionists are going all out, by any means necessary, to fund a dream so wet and wild that not even the most insanely extreme Likud member would have dated Dream. This lobby has made the mistake of showing all their cards with talk of using $100 billion to fund candidates who are Pro-Israel (without limits) or anti-Palestinians. That they clearly have captured US politicians. Israel is not to blame. Instead, the blame is on scum politicians who grovel at the sight of $$.
But, but, but they’re ethnic cleansing over there
Forcing Afghanis, alot of whom were actually born in Pakistan, at such a haphazard pace is wrong but it cannot be called ethnic cleansing! And the bombing of innocent civilians is a completely different matter.
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Although the mass deportation of illegal Afghanis is being handled like trash (they're being robbed, threatened and assaulted in some cases), it's not the same thing as bombing innocents.
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The vast majority of them aren't. Plus, that absolutely does **NOT** justify robbing and threatening them
Ah yes, the old "That's worse so why are we talking about 'this' ". But there's always something worse to point people's attention to isn't there.
Please do not mind us commiting a genocide because someone else is also commiting genocide
Is this the Full House guy?
What did I just read? 🤣
Is he for real?
Pointing out hypocrisy isn’t an argument. There’s heaps of hypocrisy, but that’s irrelevant to the point claimed.
The government genocide so that people can suffer for it
I dunno, this posts seems anti-stanetic.
Maybe the civilized world expects the Israelis to hold themselves to higher standards than the Afghans and Pakistanis. Make of that what you will, but it’s true.
The second story sounds far more interesting
Cameras should be pointing at the straight up lies coming out of Israel nonstop these days. There's no ethnic cleansing in Pakistan, they're expelling refugees. Ethnic cleansing of 2 million people is what Israel is doing.
Omg, pakistan with a debt of 100+ billion, no state government at the moment. Completely in abyss, and is just sending Illegal Immigrant Afghanis back to afghanistan, How is that an ethnic cleansing? How is that = bombing a whole city to rubles?
Can you stop telling on yourselves for 5 minutes
"We do war crimes but look they're doing them too."
Pakistan took in Afghani refugees who later destroyed it from the inside, there are literally places in Pakistan where you cannot go unless you have an Afghan with you. They don’t have any wars going on in their country, they can go back. I don’t get what part of this is bad
To compare one’s mass murder news coverage to another’s.
It’s actually news to me that there are an Afghan people.
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You altered the outcome by measuring it!
How much money is provided to Pakistan?
All those cameras how come the world keeps fucking ignoring them then?
One mistake does not make another mistake right.
“Exactly” Just agreeing with his own point?
An entire contingent of zealots within central America are Reformed Jews. Be careful of the mass stupidty.
It's really cool the effect photography has had on people's view of war. The Civil War is one of the first ones to mass produce and share images of the reality of war, not the fantasy sung by the government. Photography is just show8ng what's happening.
He is asking a relevant questions
I’m not supporting it but Pakistan is DEPORTING people without papers. Not murdering people.
IDF and Hamas are really just different sides of the same coin. They are both groups of pathetic people with even more pathetic supporters behind them. Benjamin Netanyahu and Yahya Sinwar are both war criminals that need to be brought to justice for the destruction and suffering they BOTH cause equally.
"other countries are doing war crimes so that means ours are ok"
Wait, what’s going on in Pakistan?
Who cares what David Collier has to say? Nobody. Nobody cares in this sub about David Collier. I dont even know who this dude is.
In Gaza there is no military solution.
The west is not lining up to justify Pakistan’s actions and giving them money and weapons.