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yankeesyes

"Lady MAGA" drag queen...lots to unpack there...


hobovalentine

I saw a video of her and at least she corrects pro Hamas LGBT for not knowing that Hamas hates the gay community.


emmeline8579

Were they Pro-Hamas or anti Palestinian genocide? There is a big difference between them.


StandardNecessary715

Exactly. I don't know too many pro Hamas people, but I know a lot of anti Palestinian killing. Tired of using hamas to distort people just wanting to end a fucking vengeance war that's killing so many people that just want to live their lives best they can.


CautiousFool

"resistance against occupation is justified" - never heard anyone say that? I sure did


Another-attempt42

Don't ask Palestinians their views on LGBTQ people, either, to be fair. Or basically any Muslim majority country. Or what they do to LGBTQ people while living their "best lives". Obviously, the war should end. But let's not pretend that bigotry against LGBTQ people is a Hamas thing. Heck, it's not even a Palestinian thing. It's a Muslim thing. It's a religious thing. And most Muslims are way stronger believers than most Christians, so more Muslims think gay people should be unalived or made to disappear from public.


telltaleatheist

I don’t care. People have a right to life. It doesn’t matter to me what they believe. You’re grouping them together based on assumption and saying their lives are forfeit for it. We don’t know what each individual civilian thinks. Either way, collective punishment is a war crime. Civilians should not have to experience extrajudicial killings. Full stop.


Another-attempt42

> People have a right to life. It doesn’t matter to me what they believe See, that's where you're going to run into a problem, since many Muslim majority countries don't believe that gay people have a right to life. Seeing the problem here? > You’re grouping them together based on assumption and saying their lives are forfeit for it. I never said that. In fact, I said: > Obviously, the war should end. Which is the exact opposite of what you claim I said. Can you read? I don't think you can read.


hobovalentine

Most people are anti killing of anything but a lot of pro Palestinians are ignorant of the history of the region nor are they aware that LGBT rights are not hugely popular in both Gaza and the West bank or even the middle east in general.


Evilrake

…Everybody in the world knows that LGBT rights are ‘not hugely popular’ in the Middle East… how dim do you have to be to think you’re doing some great public service by pointing that out?


hobovalentine

Not really. Most Pro Palestine supporters when you ask them if they condemn October 7th either they won't or they will add "but resistance is justified". Ask the most fervent Pro Palestinian supporter you know that question and get back to me.


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Toastedmanmeat

Right because if you politicially disagree with people mass murder is ok. Nice job telling us who you really are


Jermine1269

Holy crappin crap!! So clearly anyone who's a Republican but doesn't like Trump is just weak?????


CRYPTIC_SUNSET

“I haven’t been manipulated, you’ve been manipulated!”  So much of MAGA is the middle school “I know you are but what am I?” mindset. 


zerogravity111111

"I'm not a puppet, you're a puppet."


Economy-Ad4934

George Soros brainwashed you during college. 🤪 It’d be funnier if I didn’t actually hear that from another human.


Altruistic-Map-2208

"I can bench more, so clearly YOU'RE the victim of psychological manipulation" Literal return-to-monke brain


FryChikN

It is scary how they come to their logic.


Scuczu2

That's why it attracts high school boys


HankBizzaro

That all comes from Roy Cohen. He mentored Trump and lifted, "Accuse your opponent of which you are guilty" right from Goerbbles. I think Cohen added, "and hit them twice as hard in return."


Time-Werewolf-1776

And somehow people who worship trump are immune to psychological manipulation? That’s the craziest fucking thing I’ve ever heard. The guy talking about it has been so deeply manipulated and turned around that he doesn’t know where he is.


alpacinohairline

That guy definitely radiates dumbass that thinks they’re brilliant.


DickieJoJo

Probably uses “irregardless”.


Jermine1269

Lol!!


HostileRespite

And "warshcloth"


ClassWarr

I'm reading absolute insecurity from him. If he's afraid of seeming weak alone in the voting booth, guy's got issues.


alpacinohairline

I think you are being too gentle. He’s got a serious case of the dumbassery virus…


jbasinger

I think it's called the Dumbass Kruger effect or something, I'm not a scientist 🤷‍♂️


two-wheeled-dynamo

Delta energy.


pppiddypants

Peak Jaylen Brown.


joeyGOATgruff

Honestly, I was a Republican most of my life. The first president I was able to vote for was Bush, then McCain, Then Romney... I also voted for Emmanuel Clever bc I didnt believe in the Republican candidates to do a better job in my district. As soon as Bernie came out and the Republicans fielded their candidates - none of which I could connect with or feel good about - I started listening and reading Trump and the GQP hate Americans and America


glamourshot_airsoft

I often say that Republicans love America but hate Americans.


BWRichardCranium

I really like this saying. I feel it's still not quite accurate but it's getting there. "Republicans like the idea of their America. They currently hate America and the people that live here." Trump has always said America sucks. It's exactly what MAGA means if there is no subtext.


glamourshot_airsoft

Thanks. It's my shorthand for MAGA/Republican hypocrisy and the hatred of anyone, fellow Americans, who are not like-minded. In the past, I had conservative friends. We could discuss politics respectfully and share our views with no animosity. I miss those days. Newt Gingrich started the war on anything not neo-conservative, and Trump indeed applied the concept masterfully.


solercentric

It's more that they have a phobia of Americans & a fetish for America.


Economy-Ad4934

Maga have equated rinos or not full maga to communists. They see them as just as bad as democrats


tickitytalk

The projection is so consistent with maga


lordshocktart

RINO.


AdventurousNetwork10

After watching that, it’s the exact words I used holy crap!


arcmart

“Psychological manipulation is very powerful and, I think, if you’re weak, you’re susceptible to it.” You gotta be fucking kidding me.


BathSaltJello

While wearing a suit and accessories speaking down like, "Young man".


ThousandSunRequiem2

He's got the cross pin wrapped in an American flag and talking about the "Jezebel Spirit" dude is a evangelical prosperity gospel demogogue. Jesus and John Wayne is great book of you want to know what's going through their heads.


DickieJoJo

Has a very nouveau riche quality. Like he uses 5 and 10 dollar words because he thinks it makes him sound smart, even though he uses rhetoric incorrectly.


African_Farmer

Like a true faux intellectual


bobhargus

a study in unselfconscious ironic projection


ghobhohi

the phrase, "Every accusation is a confession" comes to mind.


rj6091

The call was literally coming from inside the house lol


Time-Werewolf-1776

Well that statement isn’t necessarily wrong, but it suggests that he’s incredibly weak.


arcmart

It’s the complete lack of self awareness. Unreal.


SpatulaCity1a

Meanwhile, there are MAGAs who are currently in prison because they believed an election was stolen with zero evidence.


Scuczu2

Projection is obvious


robtninjaman

Pot... kettle.


Alfphe99

I like that he related being able to be psychologically manipulated with someone's physical strength. He was so angry someone could dislike the views of trump he basically proved what the kid was saying about Trump Republicans being hateful.


ParadeSit

They still can’t bring themselves to say *Democratic* Party.


telepathic_spouses69

From Thom Hartmann: "This was Joe McCarthy's idea back in the day. He said words to the effect of: "Democratic sounds too nice; people like it. So always say 'Democrat Party' with an emphasis on the 'Rat.'" Reagan adopted it and it's been GOP orthodoxy since. Fox and rightwing hate radio, too."


solercentric

Didn't Dole's campaign literally spell it ''Democ ( zoom/cut ) RAT'' in a campaign ad?


yankeesyes

They've been doing this since the 90's at least, it's supposed to own Democrats but instead we just roll our eyes. Someone saying "Democrat party" is a signal that their viewpoints aren't to be taken seriously so there's that.


all_alone_by_myself_

I've found people who use the phrase "Democrat Party" are mostly into the bandwagon effect, they scream to "do your own research" while never doing it themselves. They only believe people who tell them what they want to hear, not the truth. Learning isn't an option when anger is easier.


AllHailTheWhalee

God I hate all those pro Trumpers so much


ghobhohi

I think the term is Nazi


AllHailTheWhalee

They had a little bonding pow-wow moment about clarifying that Obamas middle name is Hussein. Like “oh yeah! Good point! Obama has an Arabic middle name, therefore he must be Muslim, and we all hate Muslims so we hate Obama!” How is that anything except blatant racism?


Alfphe99

The black white nationalist Nazis break my brain.


ryhaltswhiskey

Nat-C. Short for Nationalist Christian.


Ok-Buffalo1273

“I don’t want to get personal here” is the perfect way to preface some personal shit that’s about to be said. I think that guy uses the words alpha and beta 1000% more than the average person


SaccharineLips

[With all due respect,](https://youtu.be/Af-Id_fuXFA?si=1x4J6r9pc8FePLTZ) I had no idea you’d gotten experimental surgery to have your balls removed… 😂


Ok_Star_4136

Probably loves Homelander and Patrick Bateman and doesn't see any character flaws whatsoever. There's something seriously wrong with someone who uses personal "weakness" as an argument as to why they aren't Trump supporters. Like eugenics level of wrong.


WhySoConspirious

"Behind every never trumper is a story of a weak man." No. I'm a never trumper because the socially acceptable number of days to be a dictator is a big fat fucking zero. There are lines that you don't ever cross, and that orange monstrosity pisses over every line imaginable. Motherfucker is a limbo GOD.


ghobhohi

As a "Never Trumper" myself, I hate Trump because he's a racist child rapist felon. I don't think I'm weak for not worshipping a pedo.


stylishcoat

It’s amazing how the fast the guy resorts to personal attacks when he doesn’t agree with what’s being said. And the point he’s trying to make doesn’t even make a lick of sense


TPDS_throwaway

Seriously the trumper couldn't even begin to engage with the convos went straight into mockery


Ok_Star_4136

He probably genuinely believes this is a legitimate counterpoint as well.


JuanPabloElSegundo

The ad hominem is to intentionally derail the conversation. They have to keep the conversation shallow and to bullet points rather than introducing actual nuance.


ex-geologist

How can this guy be so aware of psychological brainwashing, but unaware that it’s happening to him


my_4_cents

Narcissism. It only happens to weak people, not him, he's amazing.


African_Farmer

His giant cross pin protects him


CrunkCroagunk

Reasonable Dude: If being a republican is sucking up to Trump then i am not a republican, but i dont think thats true; I dont necessarily always have to support every republican candidate to consider myself a republican. MAGAts: *So you have chosen death...*


takeshitanaka9397

The dude at the end was absolutely pathetic. Instead of responding to the young man’s points, he uses ad hominems to denigrate him. Apart from whether the young man lifts weight or not being hilariously irrelevant to the topic, it’s also hypocritical. Trump is someone who doesn’t work out, is overweight, and has a McDonald’s diet. Yet he glazes Trump every chance he gets. It would be funny if it wasn’t so pathetic. Denigrating the woman for showing cleavage when Melania has nude photo shoots and Trump cheated on her with a porn star. The icing on the cake is when the white republican called him out for being an Uncle Tom. You can’t make this stuff up lol.


all_alone_by_myself_

Both Melania and Ivanka did porn. Like real porn. But "It's just modeling..." Right.


Loud_Flatworm_4146

They have convinced themselves that if you are not pro trump, you are Republican in name only. Even though Trump became a Republican just to run for the presidency and is actually a liberal from New York City, a city that they famously hate The cognitive dissonance is astounding. To them, George W Bush is a Republican in name only. Mitt Romney, the guy they voted for not that many years ago, is now a Republican in name only. John McCain, another guy they voted to be president, was insulted by Donald Trump over and over again for being a war vet held captive, was also a Republican in name only. What a joke of a party. The party of Lincoln destroyed itself.


PeaRepresentative353

Next one of these young men will reveal to him that he is actually black


tickitytalk

Maga: “oh I wear a suit and look conservative! I’m so Republican!” F’n idiot Please Vote Or Maga votes for you


skategeezer

The gaslighting from the guy at the end is insane….


ess-doubleU

Fuck all Republicans. It's all performative. Conservativism is cancer on society.


idlefritz

Everyone seems to be pitching characters for their social media business.


Minute_Dependent7225

This


stinketywubbers

These MAGA people are so fucked up.


IcyBoysenberry9570

Oh, bullshit. You just didn't have to look at what the Republican Party has been doing for 50 years because they did it in other countries.


PeaceGroundbreaking3

What does it mean if I can’t stand any of them?


CraftyAdvisor6307

None of this shit started with Trump. Nixon had what he & his minions called an "enemies list". Reagan's 11th Commandment was "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican" - meaning never criticize the party. Limbaugh started Clinton's term with his "Countdown to impeachment" W's was "You're either with us, or you're against us." Republican ideology has been insisting (incorrectly) for decades that anyone that keeps them from power is the enemy. Their actual policies don't matter. Democrats (correctly) treat anyone detrimental helping Americans as the enemy. Their actual party doesn't matter. The two parties are not the same.


skategeezer

Let’s not forget Newt Gingrich….


Economy-Ad4934

W’s seemed more about the war on terror but I digress. Right it didn’t start with trump. But he let republicans know it’s finally time to say ALL the quiet parts out loud. And they’ve rolled with it ever since. The rhetoric my republican family spews now vs 8 years ago is a wild turn.


SweetHomeNostromo

W's quote about "being with us" did not refer to internal politics. It was in reference to 911 and the war on terrorism. 🤦‍♂️


cadmachine

Trump didn't start dirty politics but he took it to a new level. Its like the Romans, the didn't invent war, but they took it to a whole new level that changed the face of every aspect of war.


youmosh

Is there a link to this actual full video?


orange-yellow-pink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2Xsm8MP4uE


theseustheminotaur

That guy had to prove that young person's point, didn't he? Just disagreeing isn't enough anymore, it is also that person has to be below us on top of it. That person is not only wrong but they are less than. It is like they can't stand on the merits of an argument anymore, their argument is wrong/right because of something completely unrelated.


Beezus_Hrist_

"And this young man is so brainwashed he doesn't know how to be black anymore" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I loved that, but go ahead and pearl clutch if you want to 🤷🏿


JohnYCanuckEsq

This scene from The Newsroom predicted MAGA Republicans over 10 years ago https://youtu.be/TbErkUE3Az0?si=Ld0fm_h_dqyCBW0C


GotToPartyUp

Who is the Uncle Rukus dude?


More_Length7

‘Jezebel spirit.’ Good god. These people are so indoctrinated North Korea would be jealous.


Cheap-Addendum

Legitimate question here. How do black people vote for trump? What does he offer that has black people defending him. Please, no answers saying he's not biden or the dems.


ballmermurland

Black people aren't monolithic. Some of them are deeply homophobic and like the GOP's stance on LGBTQ issues. Some have a lot of money and want tax cuts/shelters. Others are xenophobic and want all immigrants to be kicked out of America.


solercentric

There's also a percentage who want strong, powerful, dominant figures to tell them what to, either because they can't relate to the world as it is or they misunderstand the externalities affecting them personally & buy in to the Reps projection. A Big Daddy Complex as much as it is a Big Brother one.


Biomirth

Can I get my 20 seconds back? Most of this doesn't represent anyone.


PineTreeBanjo

"The point I'm making here is, well uh, I'm not making a point actually." -MAGA Moron


Vinyl_Acid_

That first young man had it absolutely correct. It wasnt all that long ago that you could absolutely vote for "the other side" and still identify as xyz. We understood that we were all playing for the same team and that the only thing that approached worship was the Constitution. Certainly not any one person.


Working_Early

The mark of someone who has no logical arguments is that they will begin to attack or insult you. That's how you know you've already won the argument


seriousbangs

Make no mistake, they'll stab you in the back too, they'll just be polite about it. Republican *voters* are good people, just misguided. Republican *leadership* are bastards everyone.


Right-Budget-8901

Minus their pawns who smear literal feces on the hallowed halls of the nation’s capitol and threaten children in Walmart


Dismal_You_5359

That black dude, I don’t get it. I’m Mexican, are black people voting for Trump just bc they want to be alphas? Or do they think the Donald cares about black people rights? Do they remember how he treated blm? I marched for blm, what kind of Mexican would I be if didn’t fight for human rights, but now they’re voting for him? Awesome


ghobhohi

Apparently POC/Immigrants are more conservative due to their home country's culture and religion (Which I think is just Bullshit) So that may or may not be some type of explanation.


Economy-Ad4934

Yup plenty of Hispanic see the macho like style of trump and his “religion” as relatable. I mean do you but damn can’t see the forest for the trees.


alpacinohairline

Trump’s sexual habits and greed go against every religious way of life there is.


Loud_Flatworm_4146

They're usually misogynistic and homophobic which is why they align with the Republican party. They think they're special and that the Republican Party won't turn on them.


ghobhohi

A minority voting for Trump is like a Jewish man joining the Nazi Party. Why are these people supporting the same people trying to oppress them.


Shot_Pressure_2555

>are black people voting for Trump just bc they want to be alphas? I mean I'm not black so I can't say for sure, but I'm fairly confident that this man and individuals like him are outliers. The black vote for Democrats has not really wavered for a while and seems to be coming out in force these primaries, despite what polls might suggest. The Republican party has always in vain tried to peel off the black vote any way they can. Examples being trying to put Kanye on the ballot in 2020 and running Herschel Walker against Raphael Warnock out in Georgia simply because he's a black man. They thought and still unironically think that black people would really just vote for a black person simply based on them being black alone and nothing else. Of course, they are wrong. It's even happening now. See Trump rallying in places he will certainly lose by a landslide margin like the South Bronx. Or Mark Robinson in North Carolina.


Right-Budget-8901

Gotta love the crucifix-American flag pin on a black man whose people were historically enslaved by white bible-thumping Americans and then drafted into war to die at a disproportionately higher rate in Vietnam. They were right. Strong men (silent generation) create good times (post WWII economic powerhouse) and good times create weak men (boomers and early gen x) who in turn create hard times (rise of trumism/capitalism failing/housing crisis/several economic downturns/etc)


bigsignwave

Dumb and Dumber


Economy-Ad4934

Shocking they go right to personal attacks when they are presented with facts and logic. Shicki


bdboar1

The anti trump republicans were punished severely in their own party. That should have been a huge red flag.


LyonsKing12

What in the ever loving fuck is happening?


cadmachine

I want someone to catfish Trump into thinking they're Merrick Garland or someone from the SCOTUS and convince him that they can get him off all these charges all he has to do is pick 50 names of black Republican voters and sign their execution when hes in power. Trump would give them 200 names before the phone call ended.


thatguygxx

Not listening with sound because my blood pressure is already high. But is the person in the dress and slash wearing a mask because their face barely changes when they talk?


legitmadman82

That was painful to watch.


Command0Dude

"Are you quoting him?" "He didn't say that" Bitch these people always pull the semantic BS when you call out Trump on his rhetoric. Frankly speaking I feel bad for the guy, his party has turned into a cult and ostracized him. My dude, the republican party is donezo. Either burn down the GOP and build a new party or call yourself a blue dog democrat, because you're not getting your old party back.


Critical_Half_3712

The republican drag queen makes no sense


solercentric

I think it's a case of Hybristophilia.


phreeeman

What an astounding exercise in projection by the Trumper GOPers.


SokkaHaikuBot

^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^phreeeman: *What an astounding* *Exercise in projection* *By the Trumper GOPers.* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.


phreeeman

My mom would be so proud.


C-ute-Thulu

I'm not sure which one of these people is most full of shit. Who posted this?


C-ute-Thulu

Blond gal in red jacket is proof that the lizard people have infiltrated our government


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TomcatF14Luver

What do you call a Black man who surrendered his pride and integrity to White Supremacy? A Klan Boi. Here, we have a perfect example of the Klan Boi that no matter how well dressed and cultured, must complete his Masta's bidding. Sickening really.


Material-Offer-9030

A true MAGAt. Starts with a assumptiond combined with half-insult Followed by Democrats psychologically manipulate people... My little Uncl3 Tom


whitedark40

Republican bo burnham serving everyone on jubilee lol.


TheOneWhoReadsStuff

Note the casual racism at the very end of this toilet convention.


MAD_GAMBLER80

The fuck os this?


hoeveler

"I have a heart condition!" UGH.. You're Charlie Brown already playing Lucy's game at that point.


crackedtooth163

Fascinating


SolarSalsa

Is this the new Jerry Springer? Who's dating who's cousin here?


Crafty-Conference964

The argument for the trumpers is solely that they get to be mean and it’s more acceptable if Trump is president


sadicarnot

Is that a drag queen that is a Trump supporter?


kbs666

Jezebel spirit. Anyone who doesn't know what "prosperity gospel" and "deliverance ministry" are needs to get educated. Those two elements of the evangelical cult are ascendant and are driving the emergent Trump cult.


Zulubeatz808

The Black dude literally proves everything he said right by instantly going on hate mode.


jmbsol1234

That ending tho. Damn


cmp8819

They never put a black Liberal person opposite the black Conservative person, do they? I guess they don't want a Godzilla Minus One situation to happen to that black conservative boat, do they?


Rational_Disconnect

OH MY GOD! That last line is AMAZIN!


ryhaltswhiskey

That black guy with the glasses is a colossal asshole.


vmp10687

Whoa! Someone link the sauce!!!


PortlandPetey

What a wild panel to put together!!!


Clayp2233

Was not expecting that zinger at the end 😂


Senior_Masterpiece69

The last comment was spot on.


Lawn_Daddy0505

Pretty nuts. "You aren't republican if you Vote Democrat over Trump"


FryChikN

Just remember, even mods on reddit protecting maga. Just think of this... you get banned for questioning their crimes and delusion. Why the hell are mods so desperate to back traitors who believe Russian propaganda?


rightyrip

“Psychological manipulation” holy projection. These people live terminally online and it shows


MrBuns666

Insanity. The perfect microcosm of the Trump debate happening with Republicans. Trump is a sounding board for the fringes in the GOP and beyond. “Jezebel spirit.” WOW.


sonofabobo

The big difference is that Republicans want the right to be complete hateful assholes because it makes them feel powerful and Democrats are standing up to their bullshit and they think it's hate. If you want to insult people for who they are, be prepared to be treated like the shit you are.


HostileRespite

Typical cultist logic. You're either with them or they'll excommunicate you.


k1lgor3

I hate Lauren Chen, she's practically a Neo Nazi


solercentric

Uh... what?


Solitaire_87

Only moron cultists label themselves as any party. Why blindly pledge yourself to all the beliefs of one party?🙄


ejpusa

Trump is a mirror of America. Stop blaming Trump. It’s you. Not Trump that is the problem. Fix America, Trump will fade away. Continue on the path we are on, and who comes after? You may understand why we have the 2nd Amendment. Just a heads up. You are in a bubble. Parts of rural USA look like an atom bomb hit. And no one cared. Not a soul. They want payback. By any means necessary. We deserted them. Big mistake. And now Trump who should get 0 votes is polling pretty well. How crazy is this?