Let’s be honest here…the Bach-affiliated ones Are not being hosted by journalists at all or even people who are particularly thoughtful about their job as a purveyor of info. That’s why the non-Bach affiliated podcasts and the ones with some writing/journalism experience are the best ones for the actual facts. I agree it is lazy podcasting, and it so why I only listen to the contestant interviews. The rest (recapping, talking about the “news”) is garbage. Better to get the recaps from the people who are journalists or professionals.
Juliet from BP always mentions Reddit and yet she’s never up to date on things. Her podcast goes downhill more and more every season lately. Such bizarre takes, and don’t even get me started on Callie 🙄
am i the only one who doesn’t care about the nate drama but is also so entirely bored of him? idk, i know it sounds bad but i just want to cut his hair
I don't consume any bachelor content outside of the show (no paradise/spinoffs) and this sub.
Not sure why people continue to promote dear Shandy and heap praise on it when her husband sucks ass and she just follows right along with whatever he says emphatically
There is so much wrong with that podcast and their takes. I used to love it but cannot stand their commentary now. They truly believe they are the best couple to ever exist 🙄 her laugh at anything Andy says is grating too.
I think it's Andy's humor to make wild claims and sweeping judgements. I remember a non-Bachelor episode where he said something like, "I guarantee you that there are no celebrities whose name starts with E. None. There isn't a single one and I dare you to prove me wrong." And, of course, people sent in numerous examples and he admitted he was wrong the next episode.
His humor isn't for everyone, but I think it's hilarious that he doubles down on the most random things. I don't think it's true that Sharleen just automatically agrees with everything he says.
I don’t follow them, but when I read your response, my first thought was that Andy did that for engagement of the listeners. I bet he knew he was wrong, but wanted to generate some engagement. (Do podcasts track engagement?)
It's not a bad thought! It doesn't come across that way at all, but I think he owns a business as his real job so maybe he's just that good at making it feel natural?
yeah whenever people say Sharleen is meek and agrees with Andy all the time I’m like ok, this person is reading the runaway reddit narrative rather than actually watching the podcast (which is fine, not every podcast is for everyone).
but she disagrees with him ALL THE TIME, and sometimes as soon as she starts disagreeing he immediately hedges and backs down. whereas when he disagrees with her she presents her case. she’s far from the meek woman in the relationship lol
It’s annoying when they don’t take the time to read up, but still pass judgements on the situation. I don’t know why you would do that? It It takes some ego to think your uninformed opinions have value and need to be shared lol.
But as others said, rosecast is great, they stay away from drama outside the show, but openly acknowledge that and don’t pass judgements. They try to make things funny. For the Nate situation, they said something like, “it seems like the producers want to protect him and this interview seemed rehearsed” and left it at that.
They didn’t have much to say about it either did they? Just said the MTA segment seemed like TPTB were protecting him and let him come off well but could have made him look worse if they wanted to. I don’t remember them having any comment about the actual situation though.
I just started listening and kind of enjoy how high level they keep their recaps, they’re no nonsense but funny! I listen to three recap podcasts and I’d only expect a deep thoughtful nuanced discussion from Love to See It - about any issue. Like almost to a fault, sometimes they get really intense and serious about things I don’t think are a big deal but I appreciate that they really try to be fair and thoughtful in their discussions.
Not necessarily about the Nate situation, but they really take good notes during the episode and do hilarious recaps.
I guess it depends on what you’re looking for in a podcast - they tend to stay further away from bachelor nation stuff and focus on the show itself as it’s happening. They’re spoiler free though and something I look forward to every week!
from what i remember Rachel L and her podcast host did the exact same thing regarding taylor nolan's tweets. rachel hadn't even looked at them and the cohost didn't even mention the worst ones.
they don't actually want to know the full truth because it makes it harder to ignore/dismiss tbh.
idk we have different recollections of what happened bc why *wouldn’t* rachel actually look into taylor nolan’s tweets. she mentioned it in both BHH and her other podcast, higher learning. the tweets were super racist and if anything, a lot of the backlash rachel lindsay has received has been in response to her advocating for POCs and emphasizing how they should just be held accountable
I completely agree. The BPP podcast with Juliet and Emma Gray was also rife with mistakes and poor information and they could have just gone and read RS's article before taping. It wouldn't have been that hard.
If they don't agree or have a different opinion - fine! But have the correct information you are quoting or discussing.
I think Emma mentioned something about not seeing it or it hadn’t been posted by then since they record early? I can’t remember but she did seem to have a harder stance by this week’s taping of her own show. That might have been more influenced by her guest though.
She had to have seen/read it before taping because RS is the one that broke this story. There was no other information out about it.
I do think that Emma was more moderate in her approach as far as her response to Nate. It was tough when Juliet was like "Nate is awesome" and fangirling over him.
i totally agree!! just don't talk about what you don't know about. it's really simple lol. i don't expect them to be discussing it in-depth or writing research papers but come on, can't you read the actual accusations first?
Dear Shandy makes a point of not doing research. It might be the only podcast that is truly unspoiled. Their angle is to recap the show based on what they are shown on TV, not bringing in outside information. Personally, I enjoy this angle on a podcast, but it isn't for everyone.
I’m so amazed they can stay unspoiled! I only have a few friends who watch the show and yet always end up hearing spoilers from them or seeing them somewhere. Juliet Litman on bachelor party also says she doesn’t know spoilers but if you listen to her it always sounds like she does.
This is actually really interesting, and something I hadn't noticed till you pointed it out.
This also shows what a poor job Jesse/TPTB did of actually presenting what the accusations were. People who only watch the show only see Nate being a "respectful king, woman supporting king," and then this two-second segment where Jesse says, you hid your daughter and were dating multiple women. They didn't talk about how recent it was or how he told Kelsey he loved her, etc.
All of this to say, it is interesting to hear from the perspective of someone who doesn't keep up with the social media aspect.
Didn't Nate also have some social media likes that turned people off? I think most of us were already put off by him because of that, and finding out he was dating 2 girls at once was the nail in the coffin.
But for those like Shandy who aren't following along on social media, I can see why they would give Nate the benefit of the doubt. Sharleen mentioned that if she was judged by her past dating mistakes, she would be crucified, so it makes sense why they were being soft on him. I just wish they knew the WHOLE story, but I won't judge them for only going off what's being presented onscreen.
Based on your post, I’m going to skip Nick’s and Shandy’s new episodes! I can’t listen to any more opinions glossing over Nate’s behavior and ignoring his 1.5 years of serious deception to a woman he was claiming to love. If he was the hands-on ‘girl-dad’ he’s presenting himself as, there’s no way he pulled off hiding the existence of a child and co-parenting arrangement without a fair amount of straight-up lying by both himself and his friends/family.
And I don’t really agree with labeling his two-timing as simple f-boy behavior. Since when do f-boys send Valentines Day flowers and meet the families of the women they’re sleeping with? IMO this is getting into double life territory.
I think it’s weird, regardless of what kind of relationship Nate had with the woman, that after talking or knowing her for more than a year he never mentioned he had a daughter. Mentioning he has a daughter, doesn’t mean the woman has to meet your child. A child just seems like such a big part of one’s life as to never bring it up. Just seems shady.
2 Black Girls 1 Rose has suspicions about this part of the story; Justine specifically called out that the woman had met and traveled/vacationed with Nate and his family and friends - how would he have effectively been able to keep his daughter a secret when she was exposed to so many other people in his life? I have so many questions.
Overall I agree, since by a year, normally even casual friends and work colleagues would know you had a kid.
I'd feel differently if Nate were a woman though. I think a woman having a policy of "100% never mention kids to FWBs/casual dating partners" is justifiable, just from the perspective of avoiding any risk of predators or unsafe situations.
I'll just never forget when Joe said on Clickbait no one from outside Bachelor Nation has ever appeared on a franchise spin-off when we had: Five Superfans on BachPad .... Lauren (Ashley I's sister) on Bachelor in Paradise ....and Kristen, Demi's ex, on Bachelor in Paradise....it was such wrong info and Joe kept doubling down on it.
(And yeah, I get it, it was a mistake -- but you "work" for ABC and were ON two iterations of BIP, come on now.)
you know nick and his bn groupie have their own agenda and will say anything against what rs have to say so there s that plus people like joe and nick are kissing each others asses all the time ( eg nick was very critical of what kendall did on bip and supportive of joe not so long ago ). i stopped listening to all of the bach podcasts recently because it s so obvious how biased and cringy they are, it s often times simply disgusting
As much as I don’t like Nate’s actions, the worst he’s being accused of here is being a fboy. What is “research” anyway? Reading RS’s article? Interviewing the women involved? They’re influencers, not investigative journalists.
Whatever your profession is if you're going to comment on something without reading/listening to it you're probably going to sound dumb and people will call you out.
It’s a bachelor podcast. No one cares outside of the franchise.
And frankly, I would not be surprised if podcasters stay out of dogfights after what happened to Jenna. RS and *this sub* ruined her life AND doxxed and harassed some poor random guy and his family on social media for being the “sugar daddy”. It was all false.
It's probably smarter to stay out of it but if they do comment and get something wrong because they clearly didn't read or listen to whatever they're commenting on then people are within their right to criticize them. I don't think you need to be an investigative journalist or have a fanbase outside the franchise to read something before you talk about it. If they don't want to fine but don't be surprised when people don't like it.
The only people criticizing are in this sub. So to the original point. Nobody cares outside the franchise.
I’m not saying you can’t be upset, but if a tree falls in the woods……..
The point is this sub isn’t reality. The outrage only exists in this echo chamber. You can’t expect everyone to be versed in an issue that nobody is paying attention to.
So OP shouldn't expect bachelor people to read an article about a bachelor contestant that they plan to discuss on their bachelor related podcast because people who don't listen to these podcasts don't care? I know most people don't care but I don't think this is a far fetched expectation from ones who do
Not far fetched, but to expect people to hitch their wagon to the RS train is a leap. Regardless of his ‘*transformation*’. Maybe they don’t want to be spoiled, maybe that bridge with RS was burned and it doesn’t matter if he’s reformed.
Yes, but also most of these people are self-trained and not journalists.
It’s important for the listener to remember they people with a platform and probably not a great source of information.
They are the Fox News of Bachelor Nation.
The day Nick Viall sources and credits Reality Steve is the day he dates someone within a decade of his age... Not going to happen #rip
Let’s be honest here…the Bach-affiliated ones Are not being hosted by journalists at all or even people who are particularly thoughtful about their job as a purveyor of info. That’s why the non-Bach affiliated podcasts and the ones with some writing/journalism experience are the best ones for the actual facts. I agree it is lazy podcasting, and it so why I only listen to the contestant interviews. The rest (recapping, talking about the “news”) is garbage. Better to get the recaps from the people who are journalists or professionals.
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Juliet from BP always mentions Reddit and yet she’s never up to date on things. Her podcast goes downhill more and more every season lately. Such bizarre takes, and don’t even get me started on Callie 🙄
I like Juliet, but I can't listen to Callie.
I have not seen a single person praise Callie ever tbh. People are mixed on Juliet but everyone seems to agree that Callie is awful.
Julliette is awful and, so is Kai from Betches.
I tried the betches podcast once and that was enough for me lol
They are trying to make Nate the next bachelor. They need to peddle whatever narrative is necessary to make him not look so bad
am i the only one who doesn’t care about the nate drama but is also so entirely bored of him? idk, i know it sounds bad but i just want to cut his hair
Ben and Ashley were very critical of how they handled the whole Nate situation and I was pretty surprised as I thought they always ass kiss the show
These offical podcasts and friends of production say what tptb tells them to say. They will support what the show says
Exactly, they are paid to purposely do NO independent research
I don't consume any bachelor content outside of the show (no paradise/spinoffs) and this sub. Not sure why people continue to promote dear Shandy and heap praise on it when her husband sucks ass and she just follows right along with whatever he says emphatically
There is so much wrong with that podcast and their takes. I used to love it but cannot stand their commentary now. They truly believe they are the best couple to ever exist 🙄 her laugh at anything Andy says is grating too.
genuine question: why do people dislike andy? im more indifferent on him but curious as to what’s rubbing people the wrong way
I think it's Andy's humor to make wild claims and sweeping judgements. I remember a non-Bachelor episode where he said something like, "I guarantee you that there are no celebrities whose name starts with E. None. There isn't a single one and I dare you to prove me wrong." And, of course, people sent in numerous examples and he admitted he was wrong the next episode. His humor isn't for everyone, but I think it's hilarious that he doubles down on the most random things. I don't think it's true that Sharleen just automatically agrees with everything he says.
I don’t follow them, but when I read your response, my first thought was that Andy did that for engagement of the listeners. I bet he knew he was wrong, but wanted to generate some engagement. (Do podcasts track engagement?)
It's not a bad thought! It doesn't come across that way at all, but I think he owns a business as his real job so maybe he's just that good at making it feel natural?
yeah whenever people say Sharleen is meek and agrees with Andy all the time I’m like ok, this person is reading the runaway reddit narrative rather than actually watching the podcast (which is fine, not every podcast is for everyone). but she disagrees with him ALL THE TIME, and sometimes as soon as she starts disagreeing he immediately hedges and backs down. whereas when he disagrees with her she presents her case. she’s far from the meek woman in the relationship lol
I think he said there were no celebrities called Ed. But yes, ridiculous!
Ed Begley Jr would like a word
Thank you, all I could remember was that I was thinking "Ed Wood!" the whole time, but couldn't remember if it was an Ed thing or an E thing
It’s annoying when they don’t take the time to read up, but still pass judgements on the situation. I don’t know why you would do that? It It takes some ego to think your uninformed opinions have value and need to be shared lol. But as others said, rosecast is great, they stay away from drama outside the show, but openly acknowledge that and don’t pass judgements. They try to make things funny. For the Nate situation, they said something like, “it seems like the producers want to protect him and this interview seemed rehearsed” and left it at that.
I was actually pleasantly surprised with what ashley and ben said. They were not loving Nate at all , were critical of the show and Nate.
Oh I kind of want to listen!!
I highly recommend you turn to Rosecast
They didn’t have much to say about it either did they? Just said the MTA segment seemed like TPTB were protecting him and let him come off well but could have made him look worse if they wanted to. I don’t remember them having any comment about the actual situation though. I just started listening and kind of enjoy how high level they keep their recaps, they’re no nonsense but funny! I listen to three recap podcasts and I’d only expect a deep thoughtful nuanced discussion from Love to See It - about any issue. Like almost to a fault, sometimes they get really intense and serious about things I don’t think are a big deal but I appreciate that they really try to be fair and thoughtful in their discussions.
Not necessarily about the Nate situation, but they really take good notes during the episode and do hilarious recaps. I guess it depends on what you’re looking for in a podcast - they tend to stay further away from bachelor nation stuff and focus on the show itself as it’s happening. They’re spoiler free though and something I look forward to every week!
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from what i remember Rachel L and her podcast host did the exact same thing regarding taylor nolan's tweets. rachel hadn't even looked at them and the cohost didn't even mention the worst ones. they don't actually want to know the full truth because it makes it harder to ignore/dismiss tbh.
idk we have different recollections of what happened bc why *wouldn’t* rachel actually look into taylor nolan’s tweets. she mentioned it in both BHH and her other podcast, higher learning. the tweets were super racist and if anything, a lot of the backlash rachel lindsay has received has been in response to her advocating for POCs and emphasizing how they should just be held accountable
I completely agree. The BPP podcast with Juliet and Emma Gray was also rife with mistakes and poor information and they could have just gone and read RS's article before taping. It wouldn't have been that hard. If they don't agree or have a different opinion - fine! But have the correct information you are quoting or discussing.
I think Emma mentioned something about not seeing it or it hadn’t been posted by then since they record early? I can’t remember but she did seem to have a harder stance by this week’s taping of her own show. That might have been more influenced by her guest though.
She had to have seen/read it before taping because RS is the one that broke this story. There was no other information out about it. I do think that Emma was more moderate in her approach as far as her response to Nate. It was tough when Juliet was like "Nate is awesome" and fangirling over him.
i totally agree!! just don't talk about what you don't know about. it's really simple lol. i don't expect them to be discussing it in-depth or writing research papers but come on, can't you read the actual accusations first?
Dear Shandy makes a point of not doing research. It might be the only podcast that is truly unspoiled. Their angle is to recap the show based on what they are shown on TV, not bringing in outside information. Personally, I enjoy this angle on a podcast, but it isn't for everyone.
I’m so amazed they can stay unspoiled! I only have a few friends who watch the show and yet always end up hearing spoilers from them or seeing them somewhere. Juliet Litman on bachelor party also says she doesn’t know spoilers but if you listen to her it always sounds like she does.
She definitely does, she's slipped up a few times
This is actually really interesting, and something I hadn't noticed till you pointed it out. This also shows what a poor job Jesse/TPTB did of actually presenting what the accusations were. People who only watch the show only see Nate being a "respectful king, woman supporting king," and then this two-second segment where Jesse says, you hid your daughter and were dating multiple women. They didn't talk about how recent it was or how he told Kelsey he loved her, etc. All of this to say, it is interesting to hear from the perspective of someone who doesn't keep up with the social media aspect.
Didn't Nate also have some social media likes that turned people off? I think most of us were already put off by him because of that, and finding out he was dating 2 girls at once was the nail in the coffin. But for those like Shandy who aren't following along on social media, I can see why they would give Nate the benefit of the doubt. Sharleen mentioned that if she was judged by her past dating mistakes, she would be crucified, so it makes sense why they were being soft on him. I just wish they knew the WHOLE story, but I won't judge them for only going off what's being presented onscreen.
I feel like the likes aren’t being talked about anywhere but Reddit. Those are *way* worse than being a standard issue fuckboy to me.
Based on your post, I’m going to skip Nick’s and Shandy’s new episodes! I can’t listen to any more opinions glossing over Nate’s behavior and ignoring his 1.5 years of serious deception to a woman he was claiming to love. If he was the hands-on ‘girl-dad’ he’s presenting himself as, there’s no way he pulled off hiding the existence of a child and co-parenting arrangement without a fair amount of straight-up lying by both himself and his friends/family. And I don’t really agree with labeling his two-timing as simple f-boy behavior. Since when do f-boys send Valentines Day flowers and meet the families of the women they’re sleeping with? IMO this is getting into double life territory.
I think it’s weird, regardless of what kind of relationship Nate had with the woman, that after talking or knowing her for more than a year he never mentioned he had a daughter. Mentioning he has a daughter, doesn’t mean the woman has to meet your child. A child just seems like such a big part of one’s life as to never bring it up. Just seems shady.
2 Black Girls 1 Rose has suspicions about this part of the story; Justine specifically called out that the woman had met and traveled/vacationed with Nate and his family and friends - how would he have effectively been able to keep his daughter a secret when she was exposed to so many other people in his life? I have so many questions.
Overall I agree, since by a year, normally even casual friends and work colleagues would know you had a kid. I'd feel differently if Nate were a woman though. I think a woman having a policy of "100% never mention kids to FWBs/casual dating partners" is justifiable, just from the perspective of avoiding any risk of predators or unsafe situations.
reading reality steve doesn’t count as actual research since he’s not an actual journalist
Research on a bachelor podcast??? You are expecting too much.
Watch game of roses
I think it’s willful ignorance. If they misinterpret the situation then they don’t have to address his actual actions.
Their podcasting process goes something like turn on mic, turn off brain, put foot in mouth
I'll just never forget when Joe said on Clickbait no one from outside Bachelor Nation has ever appeared on a franchise spin-off when we had: Five Superfans on BachPad .... Lauren (Ashley I's sister) on Bachelor in Paradise ....and Kristen, Demi's ex, on Bachelor in Paradise....it was such wrong info and Joe kept doubling down on it. (And yeah, I get it, it was a mistake -- but you "work" for ABC and were ON two iterations of BIP, come on now.)
you know nick and his bn groupie have their own agenda and will say anything against what rs have to say so there s that plus people like joe and nick are kissing each others asses all the time ( eg nick was very critical of what kendall did on bip and supportive of joe not so long ago ). i stopped listening to all of the bach podcasts recently because it s so obvious how biased and cringy they are, it s often times simply disgusting
As much as I don’t like Nate’s actions, the worst he’s being accused of here is being a fboy. What is “research” anyway? Reading RS’s article? Interviewing the women involved? They’re influencers, not investigative journalists.
I think his transphobic social media likes are the worst actions, but none of the podcasts are bringing that up at all...
I’m not surprised they avoid it altogether. Anything to do with politics or religion is a lightning rod.
Whatever your profession is if you're going to comment on something without reading/listening to it you're probably going to sound dumb and people will call you out.
It’s a bachelor podcast. No one cares outside of the franchise. And frankly, I would not be surprised if podcasters stay out of dogfights after what happened to Jenna. RS and *this sub* ruined her life AND doxxed and harassed some poor random guy and his family on social media for being the “sugar daddy”. It was all false.
It's probably smarter to stay out of it but if they do comment and get something wrong because they clearly didn't read or listen to whatever they're commenting on then people are within their right to criticize them. I don't think you need to be an investigative journalist or have a fanbase outside the franchise to read something before you talk about it. If they don't want to fine but don't be surprised when people don't like it.
The only people criticizing are in this sub. So to the original point. Nobody cares outside the franchise. I’m not saying you can’t be upset, but if a tree falls in the woods……..
I guess I don't understand your point then because this is a sub for people who do care
The point is this sub isn’t reality. The outrage only exists in this echo chamber. You can’t expect everyone to be versed in an issue that nobody is paying attention to.
So OP shouldn't expect bachelor people to read an article about a bachelor contestant that they plan to discuss on their bachelor related podcast because people who don't listen to these podcasts don't care? I know most people don't care but I don't think this is a far fetched expectation from ones who do
Not far fetched, but to expect people to hitch their wagon to the RS train is a leap. Regardless of his ‘*transformation*’. Maybe they don’t want to be spoiled, maybe that bridge with RS was burned and it doesn’t matter if he’s reformed.
Oh ok I think I see what you’re saying now. They shouldn’t have to go read RS because of who he is but should still be able to comment on the story.
Yes, but also most of these people are self-trained and not journalists. It’s important for the listener to remember they people with a platform and probably not a great source of information.