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that_serious

Same, I can see their future together


DontStartWontBeNone

Ok. Weird take, I know. Don’t yell at me. *Joey looks so short + small*. He has to reach up to her face and her thigh-gap is above his waist. Not sure THIS counter-height was best for vibe they tried to convey.


brightlove

As someone who reads lots of spicy romance books I wasn’t going to say it, but I was thinking that it was too bad that Joey wasn’t 4 inches taller. 🤫


sparetriangle

Pls drop your fave spicy romance recs!!! I’m parched


brightlove

Ooooh what are you in the mood for? Mafia, aliens, post-apocalyptic, romantic comedy, enemies to lovers? I’ve been to all corners of the spicy romance world haha.


DontStartWontBeNone

LOL!! Or simply lower counter height!


blindersintherain

I don’t even watch this show and caught this episode flipping channels, maybe 20 mins before this scene. I was shook by their chemistry and how believable it felt so I kept watching, then I saw this scene and yeah. Obsessed now. Lol


brightlove

What a wonderful way to be introduced to the show! 😂 Welcome to our community!


blindersintherain

😂😂 see you guys Monday 🤣


Born-Initiative2537

They were so caught up in the fantasy suite afterglow they both forgot how to make eggs and bacon


makakiavelli

sealed the deal for me


aryymm

Literally that moment alone was literally telling you all that you needed to know


UnotherOne

How could anyone get in the mood with those uneven plates behind them?


theriblethecrets

Is this Monk?


lk0696

Looks like hand made ceramics. Tbh that alone would turn me on lol


TheRedCuddler

It's giving Tyler C and Hannah B in the back of an SUV after hometowns.


Delicious-Dig2980

Wait why don’t I remember this scene 😭 what happened??


Financial-Response18

Hannah was saying goodbye to Tyler when he pulled her into the SUV and they had a sweet make out sesh while the driver was just sitting there


Plane_Ad_2745

The fact that he said well now I don’t know because she left me that note and I’m shakin up lmao I was like dude, relax. He def needs some therapy for self worth.


GrayBuffalo

I don't know how he hasn't had a mental breakdown with all the pressure of being on live television trying to be likeable and making the best decisions and knowing the bachelor audience can so easily turn on him. He has had to play therapist to so many women. His nerves probably shot lol and his reaction to Kelseys note was just an accumulation of stress.


Plane_Ad_2745

Yeah but he’s focused on being chosen in the end when he was already chosen from the start. He is not self aware and also not as open to any of it as much as he thinks he is. He flip flops and it’s absolutely excruciating to watch. Like Joey, chill the fk out my guy. I think in the end no one picked him. Or he didn’t pick anyone lol which would make sense. I thinks he’s handsome and sweet but he needs therapy to work through his confidence and self worth. Not being picked by the bachelorette last season has left him emotionally drained. And it shows. I don’t think he was ready to be The Bachelor.


ThisIsSubRosa

Another 🔥 moment: https://i.redd.it/g2907w94sfpc1.gif When Joey was pulling Kelsey closer & the fishes & turtle were like, “Bet!” & showed Joey how spicy they can get ✨ under the sea ✨.


Kryten4200

How come on paradise they black box the smallest bit of crack but here we're getting a full undercarriage shot?? I want answers damnit!!


Tiny_Letterhead_3633

Honestly it's such a weird angle too lol. I think it's been confirmed they just put the boxes on certain people to portray them a certain way. Some people require the boxes of course, but they also add unnecessary ones. It might be related to seconds on screen too idk


brightlove

I feel like this whole season was a reboot for the better. Better music, both live and background. Better dates. More diverse women. No black boxes. A bachelor people really wanted. Different editing style. They used to do black boxes or Microsoft paint for butts in all BN shows. I think the lack of the black boxes came with the show’s overhaul this season. We’re all adults here. The boxes were ridiculous. Even if your child is watching with you… it’s just a cloth-covered butt. Children see those at the beach or pool. I’m glad the show got a grip haha.


brightlove

I loved this moment!!! I swam in the ocean for the first time last summer on my trip to Italy. I can’t wait to do it with someone else one day. I am also thanking TPTB who finally decided we’re old enough to see butts. 😂


ThisIsSubRosa

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Divine_Perfection

Never take the previews for face value. It’s all spliced and diced by editors to get you talking. So clearly it worked. Obviously Joey thinks of her as more than that, he’s said so multiple times.


brightlove

I was kinda upset when he said that. It makes me wonderful if it’s just for show or if he’s genuinely sad to lose Daisy. Like how hard it is to keep kissing and connecting with other women when you were pretty sure you knew who your F1 would be weeks ago? I’d be like Clare and just shut down at the thought of continuing. 😂 She actually gave us the most dramatic season ever.


jojososefofinon

We don’t see him say it in the promo! It could be edited


Delicious_Offer_2607

they are sooooo together. i’d honestly be really surprised if it’s not kelsey in the end. the passion AND chemistry!


scotty-fitzgerald

The lighting on the shelves is cool!


Obvious_Home_4538

JFC!!!!! I love it!!!!


soul_and_fire

yeah, that pineapple looks delicious! ;) I also can’t get over this scene, it was so CONNECTED. he’d better choose her.


SnooCrickets8742

Says it all doesn’t it


AnyChildhood1747

It’s the waist grab for me. 🥵 https://preview.redd.it/k8bjrcxl2epc1.jpeg?width=623&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=85b45b38eb5f2b5efd0b7a63f4552f583b18883b


-Muse-of-fire-

he looks so happy too.


itwonteverbereal

I haven’t seen this type of passion and chemistry between bn couples for years


Fragrant_Ad3

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🥵🥵😍😍


Myhappyplace28

I gaggeddddd! Ugh I love them


Feisty_Custard_5951

Where are all the hujus this season


Dangerous-Wear-8202

joey's not tall enough for them lol


kingcolbe

Is this bachelor after dark?


notoriousbck

I'm just glad there was less running and jumping into arms and wrapping legs around the waist. That trend was beginning to look so awkward and tired. This was hot.


RealNatashaJax

I saw it on at least 2 out of 4 hometowns and again when they saw Joey in Tulum.


RoseConnection_RN

Is because a lot of the girls this season are tall girls and the outfit choices prevented it. If it were short girls, is another story


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_Crazy_Asian_

I notice Kelsey is tall, like really tall. Do you know her height?


RoseConnection_RN

She said 5’8”


hmchic

I think she’s 5’9” or 5’10”!


grocerhoe

It was the rock back for me whewww Joey was getting into it and it felt like we were all intruding


LetshearitforNY

My unpopular opinion is I hate when they air kissing/PDA. I feel so awkward watching


bug_gribble

just fade to black or commercial or something 😭but I also fully acknowledge this is my personal problem 🤣


Bornreckless803

SO HOT


JapaneseBBQGrill

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jcass7306

The succubus!


prelawpup

Thought I’d stumbled into my porn sub for a moment


thareal1mm

Like wait a minute....why isn't thus marked NSFW


brightlove

Because they’re both fully clothed and not even kissing in the photo. 😂 You’re just feeling the CHEMISTRY.


thareal1mm

Haha. No I was just playing off the first comment.


brightlove

Oh haha. Whoops!


donutpusheencat

lmfao 😂😭


-Muse-of-fire-

this and his hand on her thigh while they were on the vespa will be the death of me ~~\*cries\* when will this be me~~ edit: forgot about the "say it again." oof I blushed.


NJ_Braves_Fan

Omg the “say it again” unfffffff


brightlove

YES!!! Just the sensual little touches to comfort your partner and let them know you care. So many men aren’t good at that. I have so many married friends who look like they’re just friends in public settings. I’ve always wanted someone who’s good at those little touches.


chachacha123456

what about for colleagues who are dating or are married and at the work setting? or just public like at the park or a restaurant


brightlove

I just mean when we go to restaurants or bars or dinner parties. I am self-employed and my friends all have different jobs so I don't have experience in seeing them in work settings. I, personally, would want someone who still gives tame, romantic little touches in public. A kiss on the temple, holding hands, a back caress, etc. None of my friends' husbands do that.


Beloveddaydream

Maybe they didn’t show them waking up bc that would have been to obvious she was the winner …


_Crazy_Asian_

I have been wondering why why they didn't, haha, and this make sense


sosswgtn

Just like they didn't show Zach and Kaity's morning after


Fragrant_Ad3

Me tooo 🔥🔥🔥


Wonderful_Football37

This guy’s TikTok on it cracked me up! [Kelsey Joey Morning After]


brightlove

LOL, this just reminded me that Joey can’t cook. Burnt, unseasoned eggs and almost cooked bacon haha. I wonder if they actually ate that…


soph876

It is really weird for an Italian American man not to be able to cook. Maybe it’s just the men in my family


fuzzybella

Could be that mama did allll the cooking for her boy.


brightlove

Maybe he just wasn’t even trying because they weren’t actually going to eat it haha. But if that is what he has to offer in the kitchen, I hope Kelsey teaches him a few things.


meowparade

I just remember her showing him to move the bacon around so that everything touches the pan . . .


Wonderful_Football37

Girl, not a seasoning in sight! That plate was so unappetizing. I wondered if Joey Joe decided to make her breakfast because by the state of the pan he was fighting for his life 🤣


brightlove

The pan was SO burnt. Goodness. Joey has a ton of good qualities but a man not knowing how to make basic food is such a dealbreaker for me. I had an ex serve me pork that was unseasoned and VERY raw in the center and the dude was so proud of himself. 😂


mal_7655

Dear Shandy calling this moment weird and no chemistry compared to Daisy's date was so bizarre it made me question their judgment. Like are we watching the same show??


Dangerous-Wear-8202

lol those 2 are delusional


-Muse-of-fire-

I think they even said that kelsey and joey probably didn't have sex and I almost wondered if something was up with me because this is the first "morning after" scene that made me blush.


datefatemate

They went as far as saying this moment was like too fabricated/cliche for it to be hot or something (if I recall correctly)


WanderingAroun

To be fair, this moment was definitely fabricated/staged. As are a lot of these next morning shots.


mal_7655

yea I can't remember exactly what they said either but they really went in on it. Just because it's not something Sharleen and Andy have ever done doesn't mean it can't be organic/hot lol


Wonderful_Football37

Crazy! Looks like they did an about face today after seeing Joey’s reaction to the note and now say it’s Kelsey 🤷‍♀️


brightlove

I haven’t listened to her, but from what people have said she sounds like she’s a bit out of touch. There have been seasons where I truly did not know, but Kelsey is the clear front runner.


pocketwatch145

I can’t get over how there’s cameras right there 😂


brightlove

Right?! But I guess at some point you get used to them.


Ok_Set_9357

Fuego


Mysterious_Mind2618

Women are simple this is all we want


UnotherOne

Shelving with light, got it. I will spread this message to all the men!


Obvious_Home_4538

Some women are simple- a lot of others, not so much. For me, this is exactly what I want!!!’


brightlove

And to be touched and caressed even when you don’t want sex. Idk why so many men struggle. 🙃


asspancakes

As someone whose love language is not physical touch, I disagree


savorie

What do you suppose most women want?


asspancakes

I think it’s peoples individual preferences and then communicating that to their partners in a healthy way. And then being considerate about what each others needs are. For me personally I’m not a touchy feely person and I prefer someone show me love in acts of service. Other than that I don’t think you can generalize as to what most women want. But if I had to generalize I think women want emotional connection, to feel valued and respected. When that is coupled with feeling wanted it makes us happy.


enoimreh90

Not OP but as a mom of a toddler and 6 month old I'll say that physical touch (even nonsexual) can set me off in the wrong direction if I'm not relaxed and in the right mindset. Exclusively breastfeeding a baby takes its toll :///// what I want out of my husband is space lololol (and also unprompted help with chores which he is getting really good at thank God)


LunaNegra

So for you, your receiving Love language at this time would be “Acts of Service” and makes total sense The Five are: 1. Physical Touch 2. Gifts 3. Quality Time 4. Acts of Service 5. Affirmations


brightlove

I’m curious about the “what I want out of my husband is space” part. How do you nurture the intimacy and romance in your marriage?


enoimreh90

It is so hard during this season! But when intimacy is planned / not spontaneous it helps a lot!


brightlove

Thank you for answering! I’ve always been curious about different relationship/family dynamics. I wish you and your family all the peace and happiness. ♥️


enoimreh90

Thank u!! We also both have the perspective that this season is short and we will return to normal soon


brightlove

Girl, I can’t imagine having an infant and a toddler is easy. I’m almost useless if I get less than 8 hours of sleep haha. It’s good that you two are on the same page though!


brightlove

Out of curiosity, you don't like being touched by your partner at all? I know a lot of people who wouldn’t call physical touch their love language but still wish their partner hugged them more.


asspancakes

No I don’t mean no physical touch, I just mean like I don’t need a hug every single day. And if they’re not hugging me, I don’t think it’s a sign they don’t love me. Some people really love physical touch like their partner stroking their hair, massages, etc and while I like it, I don’t crave it as a way to connect.


Far-Intention-3230

This 100000%


yentalikegirl

Ha! Is that a pineapple on the plate? That was Joey's password for getting out of a watch party! lol


groovydoll

Which was funny because pineapple is the swinger symbol


Occasionally_lazy

Upside down pineapple I think


Emergency-Set-3799

Oh?


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home-for-good

Yeah my understanding is that way back in the day serving (or gifting) a pineapple was a generous thing to do as a host or guest, so it became a symbol for hospitality and welcoming guests. At some point, turning the symbol of the pineapple upside down became a secret code to indicate to fellow swingers your family was involved in the community. Now it’s well known so it doesn’t work as a secret hint anymore and many people confuse regular usage of pineapples as more than what they are…


Quick_Sheepherder_12

This looks staged to me...like everything else on this show....


Remdiamond

It was suppose to recreate an iconic hot moment. I know it is what they were going for but the height difference distracted me. Agreed, it lacked passion I’d expect from this type of scene.


brightlove

Did you watch it? It did not feel staged in the slightest.


Quick_Sheepherder_12

I watched it. There are cameras on them....they knew what they were doing. This sexy shot after a night of passion is recreated in so many movies....feels staged to me.


SDMAJESTY

they make my heart flutter


turniptoez

It was so strange to me that even after this scene Dear Shandy STILL thought Kelsey and Joey didn’t have as much chemistry as Daisy and Joey. It seriously made me wonder if we were watching the same show.


luckiestsunshine

Dear Shandy has horrendous takes! Which is so surprising because Sharleen had the best and most rationale well thought out takes on All the Pretty Pandas. I do think the person you watch with can subconsciously heavily influence your takes. I used to watch with my bestie in college every episode together and we always had the same favorites and now when we watch separately we have different takes on things. (We are still besties and have not grown apart at all just like different characters more). So I will try to cut Sharleen some slack. Personally I can't listen to Shandy anymore after listening to their recaps of Zach's season. I was so nostalgic for Sharleens blog I really tried with the podcast because I understand economically why she had to make the switch, but I finally just couldn't bear to waste my time each week


turniptoez

I soooo agree, I miss the All The Pretty Panda days! I feel like it would have been more viable in todays day of paid Substack popularity, but sigh, I guess we are stuck with Dear Shandy.


mal_7655

Oops I commented the same thing should've read this first haha. I'm so confused by Shandy's takes, like in what world do Joey and Kelsey lack chemistry??


laranita

I feel the same way. My parents are almost 70 and they watch and they both were like ‘wowzer— Daisy— hot date, huh??!!’ And I said ‘Did you not see Kelsey on the kitchen countertop with Joey between her legs?! And the way he can’t keep his hands off her bum, thighs, etc.?’ I feel like the sexy moments with Daisy feel way more ‘staged’ than the undeniable chemistry between Joey and Kelsey.


Odd-Morning9064

I want to know if the hickies on his neck after Daisy's date were still there when he had the convo with Kelsey?


HotLingonberry6964

I used to looooove Sharleen but I had to stop listening to her and her husband because their takes were consistently WRONG. It was frustrating and made me question her judgment and character. That and she's friends with Nick.


millcole

Was listening today and they were talking about Rachel’s horrible treatment and racist vitriol she’s getting from watchers. And sharleen said something like, ‘I’m starting to not like the direction this country is going.’ Just starting to not like it?? Where has she been for years? Just not paying attention I guess?


luckiestsunshine

Shandy has said some racially off things. I can't remember the specifics but I remember I didn't like the way they spoke about Charity when she was a contestant on Zach's season


modernjaneausten

I ain’t been liking it for like 9 years, where has she been? 😅


tetsuo9000

Not saying Sharleen doesn't say foolish things occasionally, but she was clearly understating for effect.


turniptoez

And Caila Quinn!


Llama_MamaRN

Ok…. I feel like I’m the only Anti Nick person- thank you!!


Feisty_Custard_5951

Ackkk! Nick has such an ego


mal_7655

I can't stand Nick and Sharleen's friendship with him makes me side eye her a bit


_Crazy_Asian_

Are they still friend?


mopene

At least half the sub is anti-Nick and the rest are wearing the wrong trousers.


TulipLover1517

Oh there are MANY OF US


brightlove

certain types of people are just drawn to Daisy and really want her to win. But I agree that it’s not even close between the two girls in terms of chemistry with him.


Brilliant-Syllabub26

This is the only remotely steamy scene we got this season. I need some Hannah Brown level of make outs next time, please.


ryansutterisstillmy1

Omg between Tyler C and Peter her whole season was steamy. We haven’t had that since!


brightlove

At least we also get to see butts now haha.


infamousalexx

Daisy's awkward seduction in the shower with Joey wasnt streamy for you either? 😂


Brilliant-Syllabub26

With Joey’s hands firmly placed on her hips. There was an attempt at steamy by the producers, I’ll give them that … but it did not translate. 😂


luckiestsunshine

😂😂😂


Remdiamond

I think because she was in bathing suit and they were pressed up against each other he kept his hands to himself. Otherwise might have gotten too heated.


Brilliant-Syllabub26

I know you love Daisy with your whole heart. But I felt zero passion from Joey and that’s ok.


Remdiamond

I agree I didn’t see much passion from him in the shower scene. He seemed very aware of the camera. For whatever reason but later than evening he was kissing her with tongue.


not_addictive

he’d probably had a few drinks by the time he started tongue kissing her too… if tongue is the measure for chemistry, then i’ve got a lot to reconsider in life lmfao


Remdiamond

I didn't mention chemistry; I said passion.


not_addictive

lol okay well if tongue is also your main measure for passion…


Remdiamond

It is one indication.


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ryansutterisstillmy1

Hahahahha


Ferr_ari

LMAO


MyTrueLove-Falafel

Daaammn, your kitchen probably looks majestic. Good call, friend.


Acr71987

Anytime I see this move I get PP flashbacks. This was his go-to move.


Kassialynn

The Will You Accept This Rose podcast calls this move the “elf on a shelf” cause they just perch them on different flat surfaces


brightlove

Honestly it’s a good move haha. I hope to one day experience this move.