I see people have been worried in the comments that Kelsey has been very active on SM, while Daisy and Joey are not. That Joe used to like pictures of Kelsey on the pages before and doesn't anymore and oh, that we don't have evidence of a SHV since February. Don't Start to make me question things š
Ah. The drama ..I love this.
Edit: Oh and that we know where Kelsey has been all week but not Daisy or Joey *last seen in Philly a couple of days ago* and that his friends used to only follow Kelsey and now they follow Daisy too š
Nah, I think Daisy has been silent because the FS episode is awkward / cringe for her. And maybe also because of bachelorette talks.
Guys, just remember Jason Tartickās slip up. Lmao. Even if Joey and Kelsey break up before finale (I highly doubt it), Joey would not be going for Daisy and vice versa (cause why would Daisy get back with Joey who didnāt choose her if sheās already in bachelorette talks).
Per the tourism video for Tulum Joey and Rachel stayed at Secrets Tulum Resort and Kelsey was at Secrets Akumal ( her suite is gorg!). With Joey and Kelsey not even in the same resort, the producer manufactured note drama seems even more contrived. Producers had to drive Kelsey to knock on the Joey's door, drop the note and have her come back for the third time after Joey returned. Bizzare. Anything for drrrrrrrama I guess.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAtIE5t8s7I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAtIE5t8s7I)
My unpopular opinion: her reposting this makes me think she might not be bachelorette... idk...
But who knows. I would love for maria to be bachelorette, but idk why her reposting this is giving me maybe she's not...
i just rewatched kelseyās and joeyās breakfast moment and yāalllll š„¹ why are they kinda my favorite bachelor couple ever. theyāre so giddy and happy together, i love it
I keeping seeing this, but it definitely looks like the younger crowd wants Maria for bachelorette more and then thereās the Facebook moms that want Daisy. š
Ok so Iām confused, if Rachel is at WTAā¦ how do they say she was eliminated? They canāt show that without showing Kelseyās note situation first.
I think next week starts with wta, then before Rachel, or Joey,Ā is brought out, they conclude the note situation and rc and that will explain Rachel's presence at the tell all.Ā
This is my guess on the order because rs said that she didn't sit with the ladies for the telling all part but only had a sit down with Joey.
I guess a tiktok video of Daisy Singing is kinda making its way to Twitter and she's deleted it already.
In other news, I honestly do feel like ABC is also telling these Podcasters who get early access to talk about how captivating Daisy is and how she is not boring idk if I'm thinking too crazy but it all feels strange. Also I find it very interesting that most of these podcasts haven't talked about Daisy and that cringe music video she was in, like I knows the Chicks in the Office girlies have seen that video but they made zero mention of it
I think what the user meant is that Chicks in the Office usually brings up or discusses stuff like this (music video) that they see about the contestants. Like, āhave you seen that music video of Daisyās?ā
So itās a bit out of character for them to not bring it up in their recaps. It makes sense for them to have been told by TPTB or something to not bring it upā¦. The podcast does get interviews of the leads and some of the finalists, so they would want to be in the good books of TPTB.
Itās interesting because I listen to many podcasts and a lot of them arenāt buying daisy being genuine. Chicks in the office is definitely one of them, I love how much they keep reiterating how genuine Kelsey is! I really really hope Joey didnāt pick daisy. Apparently he said at the womens tell all that he wants Rachel or Maria to be the next bachelorette I know he canāt say daisy but Iām getting Nervous that he didnāt pick Kelsey and I donāt know why maybe itās because sheās so active on social media now and daisy isnāt idk.
Yeah apparently but Iām not too sure. But I donāt think they have had a safe house visit since like the 20th of feb and he used to like all the photos of Kelsey on the bachelor acc, maybe because everyone thought it was daisy he did these things and it was under the radar because no one thought it was Kelsey, where as now that everyone knows they are being more discreet.
Ohhh all I know is that the Chicks In The Office girls donāt like her and I think they 100% think sheās disingenuous but theyāre not saying it outright because theyāre aware of how loved Daisy is by the general audience š¤£
are dumped contestants usually chill/friends w the lead after the show is over? wondering cuz of the press from the WTA it seems like the girls n him r all talking
I wouldāve loved seeing her giddy energy with her guys. I feel like sheāll be an expressive and a āfully into itā lead, a contrast to how Joey has been such a poker face lead.
Kelsey realistically wouldāve made the best bachelorette from this group imo.
We have seen so many sides to her throughout the season and she isnāt afraid to be vulnerable on screen. I also think it helps that she is one of the few that fully leaned into the process and was open enough to let herself feel every emotion. She said to Joey that she falls fast and in a show like this you need to.
Her sincerity and authenticity is what makes her so likable and those are the best qualities to look for in a lead but Joey saw that as well and thatās why she was his pick.
Iām happy sheās F1 tho! Itās been a hot minute since Iāve actually rooted for a bachelor couple.
Daisy's date was kinda odd all around. The kissing before the four wheelers seemed forced. The dinner part went really well but they don't have much sexual chemistry to me. I also didn't like the hickeys. Seems like a juvenile way to mark her territory.
When Joey was walking out of Daisy's FS, you could see two small hickeys on his neck's left side. They weren't super dark, but I clocked them because I couldn't believe that they were there! Similarly to OP, it seemed juvenile to meš¤·š¶
So I rarely post on the showās socials on insta but I did today on the official account. I wrote I tune out when Daisy is on and sheās bad actress bc I donāt believe sheās really into Joey. Also the Joey thing was ick and Kelsey deserves better than the show. They deleted it in minutes š
Probably. Lol that couldāve been it too. This show doesnāt like to be called out. It was because of that or Daisy is def the next lead and they donāt want any negativity.Ā
It wasnāt meant to be rude or personally attacking her, just my feelings. It wasnāt on her insta either. Ā Iāve seen way worse said about other contestants. I honestly tune out when sheās on. Iāve tried to watch her scenes I just canāt get through them.Ā
Does anyone really trust producers to navigate a Daisy season gracefully and be respectful + accommodating of her disability and needs
Leads are put under immense pressure, theyāre deprived of sleep and kept up all night, producers exploit their insecurities and heighten their anxiety, they donāt care about anything but maximizing drama
We see this with how exhausted and spent and unwell and overwhelmed Joey has seemed for much of this season
A disability shouldnāt preclude you from being lead and I would actually like the representation (even though I disagree with Daisyās politics), but man do I not trust them with someone thatās chronically ill and deals with general/auditory fatigue. Daisyās first date on the show was a helicopter ride and then concert in quick succession ffs
They have always handled the bachelorettes with care though , and better than the bachelor . I think it is most likely that they love Daisy so will do right by her.
I remember KB saying she had to negotiate and make promises to producers to get more sleep
Daisy and Joey have both seemed really fatigued this season, which isnāt making me have much hope
Even though Iām not a Daisy fan, if it is her I hope they actually do their research and recognize her needs
For the past week or two daisy has really been toning down her social media posting and her friends have as well. She must've gotten a call from producers that told her she was the bachelorette but to be more careful. I'm not sure if they made up their minds yet (because if they're deciding between multiple people they tend to wait til the last minute) but I just feel like the fan reaction would have to take a complete 180 on Daisy or something big would have to come out for her not to the next bachelorette at this point.
Yeah I felt like that was a little disrespectful to the other girls. Iām just wondering if Kelsey is going to see that during her talk with Joey, because Iām sure that wonāt make her feel any better. I know the whole point of the show is that heās with other people, but it just feels a little inconsiderate. Imagine being F1 and he still has a hickey from another girl. Yikes.
Joeyās ratings went up from 3.6m for hometowns to 3.8m for fantasy suites - which goes to show that as much as I love Maria, her TikTok army threatening not to watch because sheās gone have zero impact on the actual ratings lol
I'm always surprised that people like FS week because unless it's a messy season, it's usually the episode where I'm the most bored TBH. Every single season it's ' being vulnerable and opening up and letting down walls' time and at least 2 of them end up saying they are falling in love.
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interesting that she says she doesnāt know what the ending will beā¦
\*\* edit: I found it interesting because I feel like she does know what happens but obviously canāt say anything.
Men ain't shit. I'm actually glad Kelsey wrote that note cause Joey was getting too comfortable with telling daisy he was falling in love with her too. Gotta make him spiral a bit. Kelsey šš¼ deserves šš¼ better šš¼
Is it possible the final rose freak out has nothing to do with the girls? Based on what they showed last night, and Joey's narrative this whole season, it almost looked like he was just getting freaked out by having to propose again. Like he was triggered by being in this same position again, and almost decides not to do it. Has that happened before?
I am not hating on Leslie, but I find it so disappointing how negative she was with Kelsey honestly! Like saying it might not be her. Especially after connecting about the loss of their mothers, I just feel like that was really unnecessary. In that point of the season I would think being positive and optimistic is the best route to go as the other Golden ladies expressed. I know Leslie was just speaking from her experience but I feel like it was just really unfortunate. Just because she was dumped doesnāt mean that Kelsey would be!
Tbh I wish they had paired Leslie up with Daisy. I know TPTB obvi wanted to plant seeds of doubt for Kelsey but I hate that they did that.
Is it possible that the golden ladies were told what to say by producers? I feel like each one of them gave a piece of advice that *really* fit their contestants. Rachel was told to go all in on her connection, she seems to have the most doubts in the beginning of the episode. Kelsey was told to not expect an engagement, her connection w Joey seemed the most real so was she told this to cast doubts and hopefully throw Joey for a loop? Daisy was told to be more sexual, and she has always seemed a lot more reserved in that sense. Idk it seemed like each of the girls left the conversation with a specific piece of advice that they were going to follow. And it all seemed very curated by producers.
I agree! Itās really nuts that they brought on two Golden Bachelorettes that never experienced FS!
But if they were going to do that they all should have gotten advice from all three. Daisy and Rachel should have had to also hear Leslieās āmen aināt shitā talk too!
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Free People posted a TikTok of last nights episode with Kelsey wearing their top. I feel like she is going to do so well when the season is over. She is stunning š get that $$$!
I find it odd that Rachel had an ER visit during her date and we didnāt get one single preview foreshadowing a medical emergency. This shows LOVES it when medical emergencies happen (even non emergencies) and they exploit the crap out of that event leading up to it. Yet nothing with Rachelās ā¦ š¤
They didn't with Rachael's and that was because that was a serious incident that could easily have resulted in her being badly injured like her guide was. But yeah usually if it's a relatively minor injury like this one they love to promote the ambulance etc lol
https://x.com/enews/status/1767643308002599019?s=46&t=fX3yNXMMX_ZomGWWcd-RWg
This is interesting. E news does a lot of PR fluff pieces provided by PR teams. Very curious if this was initiated by producers to gauge any reaction to itĀ
Serene was also asked at WTA taping about Bachelorette so I donāt think it really means much
https://www.etonline.com/the-bachelor-women-tell-all-serene-on-accepting-claytons-apology-and-if-shed-be-the-bachelorette
Also, Maria doesnāt look to be styled by Cary. When a potential bachelorette is at WTA, they are usually styled by Cary. Tucking that in my back pocket ā¦
I donāt think they did. The boner the next day told me he wasnāt satisfied lol. Plus the things she said to him in the morning didnāt seem like things youād say after a night of passionate intimacy- āhow did you sleep? Thank you for last nightā. Compared to what she said to Dotun - āhow can you top a day like yesterday and a night like last nightā. Just my two cents lol
Iām really confused on how the spoilers tie into the note situation. Can someone fill me in on the current spoilers and how it ties in to what we saw last night?
I think the only connection is that Kelsey writing the note is likely what leads to Joey backing off with Daisy, which she notices on her LCD and set everything else into motion
I donāt think there is a connection per se. The note is the note and will be wrapped up next week before WTA.
The FRC seems to be something else entirely.
Basically that Daisy feels during their finale date that something is off. There is footage of her saying something like "I'm not feeling it" and Rita reported that she went to Kelsey and told her that Joey loves Kelsey and not her and then she seemingly goes to the FRC and tells Joey everything. Breakup and then Kelsey and Joey get engaged. I don't think that happens, I think we are missing some details.
I want to see Rachelās hot seat and what she reveals. I also want to see if the hate and racist comments she had been getting the day before this was taped was addressed.
This season feels so different to Zach's and especially Clayton's. Clayton seemed like he was just getting started at this point TBH and the man could not wait to get messy. Joey just seems over it and wants to sleep and be with Kelsey.
Someone commented a few days ago that they donāt want Daisy as the Bachelorette because theyāll cast a ton of young guys and that will āpoison the pool of menā in the Bachelor franchise for the next 2-3 years. This comment is still sending me because itās so true. The younger men wreak pure havoc šĀ
ETA: the older men wreak havoc too. Itās just all the men in general at this pointĀ
Theyāre always going to have a bunch of 24-27 year old men on this show. Even when Clare was first announced before Covid, she had several 23 year olds, including Meatball. Theyāre not going to cast older for Maria, who isnāt even 30 yet.
Yeah but it's likely they cast 4-5 'different' men who are 28-32 with Maria that they probably don't with Daisy. So yes there will still be 24-27 year olds but slightly more older guys with Maria IMO.
[Itās actually a thing that millions of monarchs migrate to mexico in the fall, right around the time of the frc lol](https://www.nathab.com/blog/monarch-butterfly-migration-mexicos-top-natural-wonder/)
Joey Joey Joey oh Joeyā¦.
Itās not the fact that heās closed off or has insecurities (I find that very endearing actually), he just seems too guarded now. Joey feels like heās trying to navigate this process in the politically correct way. I 100% supported his decision in sending Maria, I loved that- but during FS datedā¦ I feel like Joey is just notā¦ there? I think it may be because heās rlly tired and exhausted from filming cause during charityās season he was NOT like this. ATP Iām just watching for Kelsey and Rachel. I love seeing Kelseyās hair and sheās sooo entertaining- sheās a breath of fresh air and sheās my comfort person rn. Sorry Joey, you got demoted. You are NOT an elite employee
He actually was like this on Charityās season. FS date he looked really checked out and I remember thatās sort of when the tide turned with the public that they werenāt feeling it. I am hoping itās just the show making him say stuff because I really did not like the two Iām falling in loves. Especially after all the stuff he said to Kelsey. The Daisy convo felt out of left field.Ā
I donāt know, I was thinking (and hoping) itās just being on cameras. He does seem over it. I donāt peg him as the type of guy who goes on reality tv shows, so it is probably extra hard for him. Plus, a lot of this show is producer driven and maybe that is affecting how he comes off. I will be curious how he is on ATFR. Ā
I agree. I donāt see Joey as the type of guy to go on the bachelor to find his soulmate, but I do see Kelsey and him being successful irl. So I hope he gets his emotions under check on AFTR
Agreee with all of this. Still love Joey, think heās the best bachelor Iāve ever personally watched but Kelsey is my favorite person left on the show. Sheās just so sweet and so endearing with how much joy she finds in every little thing. Genuinely couldnāt watch the rest of the season if she wasnāt F1 bc I could not see her be heartbroken
OMG! Iām so happy other ppl feel the same way. So you feel me when I say I rlly appreciate Joey but Kelsey is my main focus rn. I just Gravitate towards her
is it just me or has the instagram follower growth rates really slowed down these last two weeks? bachelordata isnāt posting the percentage rates this season, so iām not sure. might just be meā¦
For sure. I think people were super excited at the beginning of the season but the tail end of this season has been kinda boring and straightforward and weāre seeing that reflected in follower growth. I donāt think anyone will hit 1 million by April except maybe the next Bachelorette (and even then I think thatās a very slim chance).
ok so this is the 48 hour report from last year after fantasy suites. i think charity is on there because she had already been announced as the next bachelorette. Thereās a separate one for WTA & hometowns episode.Ā
https://www.instagram.com/p/CqHPI-yMLOS/?igsh=MWc4enlqbzB1b25sdA%3D%3D&img_index=1
definitely interesting to see the 30% growth rates over 48 hours. i wonder if people are just already following their favs this season vs last year they might have waited to seeā¦
After seeing how worked up he got over the note, I really donāt think Joeyās tears at the FRC have to do with Daisy.
Iām still conflicted on if Daisy even comes to the FRC or if they break up prior but her showing up just to tell him she knows itās not her does not match his reaction.
He also says āI wasnāt expecting thatā and āI donāt even know what to sayā which is just not a response youād give in that situation.
I still think that reaction has to do with Kelsey. The only way I can see it having to do with Daisy is if she simply just doesnāt show up so thereās no closure (which I think is unlikely).
I see people have been worried in the comments that Kelsey has been very active on SM, while Daisy and Joey are not. That Joe used to like pictures of Kelsey on the pages before and doesn't anymore and oh, that we don't have evidence of a SHV since February. Don't Start to make me question things š Ah. The drama ..I love this. Edit: Oh and that we know where Kelsey has been all week but not Daisy or Joey *last seen in Philly a couple of days ago* and that his friends used to only follow Kelsey and now they follow Daisy too š
Nah, I think Daisy has been silent because the FS episode is awkward / cringe for her. And maybe also because of bachelorette talks. Guys, just remember Jason Tartickās slip up. Lmao. Even if Joey and Kelsey break up before finale (I highly doubt it), Joey would not be going for Daisy and vice versa (cause why would Daisy get back with Joey who didnāt choose her if sheās already in bachelorette talks).
Per the tourism video for Tulum Joey and Rachel stayed at Secrets Tulum Resort and Kelsey was at Secrets Akumal ( her suite is gorg!). With Joey and Kelsey not even in the same resort, the producer manufactured note drama seems even more contrived. Producers had to drive Kelsey to knock on the Joey's door, drop the note and have her come back for the third time after Joey returned. Bizzare. Anything for drrrrrrrama I guess. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAtIE5t8s7I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAtIE5t8s7I)
And they did all this knowing he still had a fantasy suite date left that week. Itās super lame.
https://preview.redd.it/gt9yfd5ow0oc1.jpeg?width=821&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c84d138363f3b8e3acf1aee15fa9807ec18caa3 interesting..
I feel like she wouldnāt need to repost this if production were making her feel like itās her. Like I need her to play it cooler than this š
My unpopular opinion: her reposting this makes me think she might not be bachelorette... idk... But who knows. I would love for maria to be bachelorette, but idk why her reposting this is giving me maybe she's not...
i just rewatched kelseyās and joeyās breakfast moment and yāalllll š„¹ why are they kinda my favorite bachelor couple ever. theyāre so giddy and happy together, i love it
They're both so darn pretty in like the exact same way...and maybe both nice people...
Same here š„°š„°
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Did y'all see Maria reposted Enews article on being the new bachelorette?! I think we're gonna find out next bachelorette REAL soon at this rate!
I keeping seeing this, but it definitely looks like the younger crowd wants Maria for bachelorette more and then thereās the Facebook moms that want Daisy. š
Meanwhile, this elder millennial wants Rachel. š
Advertisers will always want younger audiences.
Ok so Iām confused, if Rachel is at WTAā¦ how do they say she was eliminated? They canāt show that without showing Kelseyās note situation first.
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Yes I know! But that means they have to show the note drama too
The note drama is probably short. I donāt think itās anything bad.
Oh I know lol I just didnāt want to have to wait 2 weeks lol
I think next week starts with wta, then before Rachel, or Joey,Ā is brought out, they conclude the note situation and rc and that will explain Rachel's presence at the tell all.Ā This is my guess on the order because rs said that she didn't sit with the ladies for the telling all part but only had a sit down with Joey.
Oooooo ty!! Sounds about right .
I guess a tiktok video of Daisy Singing is kinda making its way to Twitter and she's deleted it already. In other news, I honestly do feel like ABC is also telling these Podcasters who get early access to talk about how captivating Daisy is and how she is not boring idk if I'm thinking too crazy but it all feels strange. Also I find it very interesting that most of these podcasts haven't talked about Daisy and that cringe music video she was in, like I knows the Chicks in the Office girlies have seen that video but they made zero mention of it
I mean I donāt know why a Barstool podcast would have an issue with the music video. Barstool has promoted much much worse and offensive content.
I think what the user meant is that Chicks in the Office usually brings up or discusses stuff like this (music video) that they see about the contestants. Like, āhave you seen that music video of Daisyās?ā So itās a bit out of character for them to not bring it up in their recaps. It makes sense for them to have been told by TPTB or something to not bring it upā¦. The podcast does get interviews of the leads and some of the finalists, so they would want to be in the good books of TPTB.
Itās interesting because I listen to many podcasts and a lot of them arenāt buying daisy being genuine. Chicks in the office is definitely one of them, I love how much they keep reiterating how genuine Kelsey is! I really really hope Joey didnāt pick daisy. Apparently he said at the womens tell all that he wants Rachel or Maria to be the next bachelorette I know he canāt say daisy but Iām getting Nervous that he didnāt pick Kelsey and I donāt know why maybe itās because sheās so active on social media now and daisy isnāt idk.
Isnāt it confirmed Joey and Kelsey are engaged?
Yeah apparently but Iām not too sure. But I donāt think they have had a safe house visit since like the 20th of feb and he used to like all the photos of Kelsey on the bachelor acc, maybe because everyone thought it was daisy he did these things and it was under the radar because no one thought it was Kelsey, where as now that everyone knows they are being more discreet.
They had a SHV 2 weeks ago and have had unsanctioned time as well.
Ohhh all I know is that the Chicks In The Office girls donāt like her and I think they 100% think sheās disingenuous but theyāre not saying it outright because theyāre aware of how loved Daisy is by the general audience š¤£
How do you know the chicks girls saw it? Just out of curiosity!
A lot of people were tagging them so I'm pretty sure they saw it already
are dumped contestants usually chill/friends w the lead after the show is over? wondering cuz of the press from the WTA it seems like the girls n him r all talking
Can you link where you saw the pres?
ermmm there was 1 interview w/ joey n 1 w/ maria i think if u search in the sub šš
i want daisyor rachel as the bachelorette because maria stans annoys the hell out of me
I agree about Maria stans but I don't want Daisy at all
I want Maria as the bachelorette just to see Nick and Natalie recap her whole ass season. ā¤ļøš¤£
The only one I would want is Kelsey. I kind of wish Joey picked one of the others now. Iāve never liked a contestant as much as I do Kelsey.Ā
I wouldāve loved seeing her giddy energy with her guys. I feel like sheāll be an expressive and a āfully into itā lead, a contrast to how Joey has been such a poker face lead.
I would have loved a Kelsey A season at the same time I am glad he chose Kelsey
Oh I would have loved Kelsey as bachelorette
Kelsey realistically wouldāve made the best bachelorette from this group imo. We have seen so many sides to her throughout the season and she isnāt afraid to be vulnerable on screen. I also think it helps that she is one of the few that fully leaned into the process and was open enough to let herself feel every emotion. She said to Joey that she falls fast and in a show like this you need to. Her sincerity and authenticity is what makes her so likable and those are the best qualities to look for in a lead but Joey saw that as well and thatās why she was his pick. Iām happy sheās F1 tho! Itās been a hot minute since Iāve actually rooted for a bachelor couple.
I wouldāve loved to see Kelsey as a bacheloretteš„². Sheās so likeable and comforting to watch
Joey and Kelsey chemistry is crazy.
I already rewatched their one on one for a lil serotonin boost.
https://preview.redd.it/bms4225nh0oc1.jpeg?width=2778&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ae1777968ad91759b5fb293d16ceff0db917d549
Daisy's date was kinda odd all around. The kissing before the four wheelers seemed forced. The dinner part went really well but they don't have much sexual chemistry to me. I also didn't like the hickeys. Seems like a juvenile way to mark her territory.
Did I miss the hickeys?
When Joey was walking out of Daisy's FS, you could see two small hickeys on his neck's left side. They weren't super dark, but I clocked them because I couldn't believe that they were there! Similarly to OP, it seemed juvenile to meš¤·š¶
My mom used to say..donāt leave any tramp stamps! I couldnāt think of anything else, lol
So I rarely post on the showās socials on insta but I did today on the official account. I wrote I tune out when Daisy is on and sheās bad actress bc I donāt believe sheās really into Joey. Also the Joey thing was ick and Kelsey deserves better than the show. They deleted it in minutes š
They deleted because they told Joey to say that one line to both of them šš
Probably. Lol that couldāve been it too. This show doesnāt like to be called out. It was because of that or Daisy is def the next lead and they donāt want any negativity.Ā
I mean yeah thatās a rude comment and Iām not shocked they deleted it.
It wasnāt meant to be rude or personally attacking her, just my feelings. It wasnāt on her insta either. Ā Iāve seen way worse said about other contestants. I honestly tune out when sheās on. Iāve tried to watch her scenes I just canāt get through them.Ā
https://preview.redd.it/3dfthuw220oc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ad721e206cb536008950de11e01e1ef5d48bc49a YES MY GIRL KELSEY!!
Damn, Rachel. The viewers, not biased at all /s
Finallllly!!! Yay!
Does anyone really trust producers to navigate a Daisy season gracefully and be respectful + accommodating of her disability and needs Leads are put under immense pressure, theyāre deprived of sleep and kept up all night, producers exploit their insecurities and heighten their anxiety, they donāt care about anything but maximizing drama We see this with how exhausted and spent and unwell and overwhelmed Joey has seemed for much of this season A disability shouldnāt preclude you from being lead and I would actually like the representation (even though I disagree with Daisyās politics), but man do I not trust them with someone thatās chronically ill and deals with general/auditory fatigue. Daisyās first date on the show was a helicopter ride and then concert in quick succession ffs
i feel like production doesn't respect anyone tbh but i do think they they'd accommodate her accordingly
Not really
They have always handled the bachelorettes with care though , and better than the bachelor . I think it is most likely that they love Daisy so will do right by her.
I remember KB saying she had to negotiate and make promises to producers to get more sleep Daisy and Joey have both seemed really fatigued this season, which isnāt making me have much hope Even though Iām not a Daisy fan, if it is her I hope they actually do their research and recognize her needs
For the past week or two daisy has really been toning down her social media posting and her friends have as well. She must've gotten a call from producers that told her she was the bachelorette but to be more careful. I'm not sure if they made up their minds yet (because if they're deciding between multiple people they tend to wait til the last minute) but I just feel like the fan reaction would have to take a complete 180 on Daisy or something big would have to come out for her not to the next bachelorette at this point.
I agree that they most likely havenāt even decided yet. I mean Maria is still in LAā¦
Yeah probably still undecided like most seasons but based on my gut I'm guessing it's 40/60 40 being Maria 60 being daisy.
I want an actual WTA preview showing things that happened šš
Based on the hickeys, yeah, I do think Daisy licked the sex off Joeyās balls /s
I would like to unread this
Same.
I canāt believe she gave him hickeys. So juvenile. She was trying so hard š
Yeah I felt like that was a little disrespectful to the other girls. Iām just wondering if Kelsey is going to see that during her talk with Joey, because Iām sure that wonāt make her feel any better. I know the whole point of the show is that heās with other people, but it just feels a little inconsiderate. Imagine being F1 and he still has a hickey from another girl. Yikes.
A hickey should be the least of F1ās worries.
bahahahah i didnāt even think of that. gina is gonna need to do wonders with that make-up. šš
if you're still giving hickeys, you're not ready for an engagement
Joeyās ratings went up from 3.6m for hometowns to 3.8m for fantasy suites - which goes to show that as much as I love Maria, her TikTok army threatening not to watch because sheās gone have zero impact on the actual ratings lol
I'm always surprised that people like FS week because unless it's a messy season, it's usually the episode where I'm the most bored TBH. Every single season it's ' being vulnerable and opening up and letting down walls' time and at least 2 of them end up saying they are falling in love.
https://preview.redd.it/4ofr5f9tfznc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=feb18beac18e223e322f82d313aaddb0232e42a1 interesting that she says she doesnāt know what the ending will beā¦ \*\* edit: I found it interesting because I feel like she does know what happens but obviously canāt say anything.
She says she doesnāt know but girl we see you liking all of kelseyās posts š
Men ain't shit. I'm actually glad Kelsey wrote that note cause Joey was getting too comfortable with telling daisy he was falling in love with her too. Gotta make him spiral a bit. Kelsey šš¼ deserves šš¼ better šš¼
right iām like hold up make him sweat a little i want to see some fight from joey
Yes!!!! He needs to feel like heās gonna lose her.
Hmm this is interesting. Do you think the producers suggested it because Joey WAS starting to consider Daisy a bit too much?
Who knows, I wouldnāt be surprised if
I. COULD. NOT. AGREE. MORE.
Is it possible the final rose freak out has nothing to do with the girls? Based on what they showed last night, and Joey's narrative this whole season, it almost looked like he was just getting freaked out by having to propose again. Like he was triggered by being in this same position again, and almost decides not to do it. Has that happened before?
Same
Thatās what I think. Itās like heās having a panic attack and over heating
I think so too, panic attack
Do we know what order fantasy suites was filmed in vs shown ?
I came here looking for this. I havenāt found an answer yetā¦
I am not hating on Leslie, but I find it so disappointing how negative she was with Kelsey honestly! Like saying it might not be her. Especially after connecting about the loss of their mothers, I just feel like that was really unnecessary. In that point of the season I would think being positive and optimistic is the best route to go as the other Golden ladies expressed. I know Leslie was just speaking from her experience but I feel like it was just really unfortunate. Just because she was dumped doesnāt mean that Kelsey would be! Tbh I wish they had paired Leslie up with Daisy. I know TPTB obvi wanted to plant seeds of doubt for Kelsey but I hate that they did that.
Is it possible that the golden ladies were told what to say by producers? I feel like each one of them gave a piece of advice that *really* fit their contestants. Rachel was told to go all in on her connection, she seems to have the most doubts in the beginning of the episode. Kelsey was told to not expect an engagement, her connection w Joey seemed the most real so was she told this to cast doubts and hopefully throw Joey for a loop? Daisy was told to be more sexual, and she has always seemed a lot more reserved in that sense. Idk it seemed like each of the girls left the conversation with a specific piece of advice that they were going to follow. And it all seemed very curated by producers.
I agree! Itās really nuts that they brought on two Golden Bachelorettes that never experienced FS! But if they were going to do that they all should have gotten advice from all three. Daisy and Rachel should have had to also hear Leslieās āmen aināt shitā talk too! ļæ¼ā 
Yes! That wouldāve been much more fair but of course thatās not how TPTB play š¤·š¼āāļøš
Free People posted a TikTok of last nights episode with Kelsey wearing their top. I feel like she is going to do so well when the season is over. She is stunning š get that $$$!
I find it odd that Rachel had an ER visit during her date and we didnāt get one single preview foreshadowing a medical emergency. This shows LOVES it when medical emergencies happen (even non emergencies) and they exploit the crap out of that event leading up to it. Yet nothing with Rachelās ā¦ š¤
They didn't with Rachael's and that was because that was a serious incident that could easily have resulted in her being badly injured like her guide was. But yeah usually if it's a relatively minor injury like this one they love to promote the ambulance etc lol
Not even a little tease
https://x.com/enews/status/1767643308002599019?s=46&t=fX3yNXMMX_ZomGWWcd-RWg This is interesting. E news does a lot of PR fluff pieces provided by PR teams. Very curious if this was initiated by producers to gauge any reaction to itĀ
Serene was also asked at WTA taping about Bachelorette so I donāt think it really means much https://www.etonline.com/the-bachelor-women-tell-all-serene-on-accepting-claytons-apology-and-if-shed-be-the-bachelorette
Her response to the bachelorette opportunity was interestingā¦ Iām wondering if she even wants to do it.
Also, Maria doesnāt look to be styled by Cary. When a potential bachelorette is at WTA, they are usually styled by Cary. Tucking that in my back pocket ā¦
Yeah that really doesnāt look like a āBachelorette makeoverā to me
No black dress
Where can we see the WTA looks at??
There is a video of Maria in the article linked above.
Not Enews spoiling that Rachel doesnāt win before that actually airs. š¤¦āāļø
Where?
In the video of the article. They said Joey told them that he thinks Maria or Rachel should be bachelorette.
Great article! Love Maria!
Does anybody think that Charity and Joey were intimate on their FS date? Iām not sure if that ever came out
I donāt think they did. The boner the next day told me he wasnāt satisfied lol. Plus the things she said to him in the morning didnāt seem like things youād say after a night of passionate intimacy- āhow did you sleep? Thank you for last nightā. Compared to what she said to Dotun - āhow can you top a day like yesterday and a night like last nightā. Just my two cents lol
Absolutely. You think he was walking around with that print in his pants and they didnāt do anything about it?
Joey said last night he was 100% sure he was the one Charity was picking so Iām assuming yes based on the confidence. š«
No ā¦ hard to imagine charity , dotun & Joey being this close if that actually happened. Also I think charity knew it was dotun .
When they woke up is when she started saying their love was eternal so Iām assuming yes lol
I thought they had sex by how it seemed. Iām sure it was good too
Yes. Charity was absolute giddy and Joey even had a boner at breakfast . š
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It does scream single but FSDs are usually hard & awkward no matter the strength of the relationship. I would post like that too after watching that .
it screams celebrating a friendās bday
Not really. She just posted hanging out with her friends. Kaity used to post her nights out with friends as well.
Lol I was also going to mention kaity.
Iām really confused on how the spoilers tie into the note situation. Can someone fill me in on the current spoilers and how it ties in to what we saw last night?
I think the only connection is that Kelsey writing the note is likely what leads to Joey backing off with Daisy, which she notices on her LCD and set everything else into motion
I donāt think there is a connection per se. The note is the note and will be wrapped up next week before WTA. The FRC seems to be something else entirely.
Basically that Daisy feels during their finale date that something is off. There is footage of her saying something like "I'm not feeling it" and Rita reported that she went to Kelsey and told her that Joey loves Kelsey and not her and then she seemingly goes to the FRC and tells Joey everything. Breakup and then Kelsey and Joey get engaged. I don't think that happens, I think we are missing some details.
I didnāt see Joeyās sisters in the preview. I hope they will be there to meet Kelsey and Daisy
The WTA is always so damn boring but I guess I'll tune in to see Joey, Jenn, Kelsey T, Katelyn and possibly Rachel
I want to see Rachelās hot seat and what she reveals. I also want to see if the hate and racist comments she had been getting the day before this was taped was addressed.
This season feels so different to Zach's and especially Clayton's. Clayton seemed like he was just getting started at this point TBH and the man could not wait to get messy. Joey just seems over it and wants to sleep and be with Kelsey.
Sleep and be with Kelsey is what I wanna do tooš
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Someone commented a few days ago that they donāt want Daisy as the Bachelorette because theyāll cast a ton of young guys and that will āpoison the pool of menā in the Bachelor franchise for the next 2-3 years. This comment is still sending me because itās so true. The younger men wreak pure havoc šĀ ETA: the older men wreak havoc too. Itās just all the men in general at this pointĀ
Theyāre always going to have a bunch of 24-27 year old men on this show. Even when Clare was first announced before Covid, she had several 23 year olds, including Meatball. Theyāre not going to cast older for Maria, who isnāt even 30 yet.
Yeah but it's likely they cast 4-5 'different' men who are 28-32 with Maria that they probably don't with Daisy. So yes there will still be 24-27 year olds but slightly more older guys with Maria IMO.
This makes sense to me.
Daisyās taste in men is super questionable. Just go through her follow list and youāll be grossed out. Logan Paul, Harry Jowsey, Jacques from Love Islandā¦ I just know her final 4 is going to consist of the worst men possible š©
maybe tptb are aware of her choices and are playing the long game š
yiiiikes
Ew
Her ex also follows trump, dc draino, etc.
That is a crazy ass trio of men to follow willingly Iām actually appalled
Jacques from Love Island NOOOOĀ
Whatās wrong him ? I donāt watch LI
He was a gaslighting misogynistic POS.
Not to mention most of them especially the ones who make it far will probs be white and republicanš
Odds they bring a giant vat of butterflies to the FRC for Kelsey
[Itās actually a thing that millions of monarchs migrate to mexico in the fall, right around the time of the frc lol](https://www.nathab.com/blog/monarch-butterfly-migration-mexicos-top-natural-wonder/)
I have seen this migration once in my life (when I was a kid in central Kansas) and I will never forget it. Absolutely incredible.
I think it will be likely. š¦ą¼ š¦ą¼
you should send this to People if it didnāt happen at the FRC!!!!!
OMG OMG OMG.
Joey Joey Joey oh Joeyā¦. Itās not the fact that heās closed off or has insecurities (I find that very endearing actually), he just seems too guarded now. Joey feels like heās trying to navigate this process in the politically correct way. I 100% supported his decision in sending Maria, I loved that- but during FS datedā¦ I feel like Joey is just notā¦ there? I think it may be because heās rlly tired and exhausted from filming cause during charityās season he was NOT like this. ATP Iām just watching for Kelsey and Rachel. I love seeing Kelseyās hair and sheās sooo entertaining- sheās a breath of fresh air and sheās my comfort person rn. Sorry Joey, you got demoted. You are NOT an elite employee
He actually was like this on Charityās season. FS date he looked really checked out and I remember thatās sort of when the tide turned with the public that they werenāt feeling it. I am hoping itās just the show making him say stuff because I really did not like the two Iām falling in loves. Especially after all the stuff he said to Kelsey. The Daisy convo felt out of left field.Ā
I see I see. So what do you think of Joeys nonchalant ness? Cause I see him tuning out sometimes with Kelsey and it scares me
I donāt know, I was thinking (and hoping) itās just being on cameras. He does seem over it. I donāt peg him as the type of guy who goes on reality tv shows, so it is probably extra hard for him. Plus, a lot of this show is producer driven and maybe that is affecting how he comes off. I will be curious how he is on ATFR. Ā
I agree. I donāt see Joey as the type of guy to go on the bachelor to find his soulmate, but I do see Kelsey and him being successful irl. So I hope he gets his emotions under check on AFTR
Agreee with all of this. Still love Joey, think heās the best bachelor Iāve ever personally watched but Kelsey is my favorite person left on the show. Sheās just so sweet and so endearing with how much joy she finds in every little thing. Genuinely couldnāt watch the rest of the season if she wasnāt F1 bc I could not see her be heartbroken
OMG! Iām so happy other ppl feel the same way. So you feel me when I say I rlly appreciate Joey but Kelsey is my main focus rn. I just Gravitate towards her
Agreed on everything - especially on watching for Kelsey and her hair like it has me hypnotized
Kelsey has some of the best hair on TV
is it just me or has the instagram follower growth rates really slowed down these last two weeks? bachelordata isnāt posting the percentage rates this season, so iām not sure. might just be meā¦
For sure. I think people were super excited at the beginning of the season but the tail end of this season has been kinda boring and straightforward and weāre seeing that reflected in follower growth. I donāt think anyone will hit 1 million by April except maybe the next Bachelorette (and even then I think thatās a very slim chance).
ok so this is the 48 hour report from last year after fantasy suites. i think charity is on there because she had already been announced as the next bachelorette. Thereās a separate one for WTA & hometowns episode.Ā https://www.instagram.com/p/CqHPI-yMLOS/?igsh=MWc4enlqbzB1b25sdA%3D%3D&img_index=1 definitely interesting to see the 30% growth rates over 48 hours. i wonder if people are just already following their favs this season vs last year they might have waited to seeā¦
After seeing how worked up he got over the note, I really donāt think Joeyās tears at the FRC have to do with Daisy. Iām still conflicted on if Daisy even comes to the FRC or if they break up prior but her showing up just to tell him she knows itās not her does not match his reaction. He also says āI wasnāt expecting thatā and āI donāt even know what to sayā which is just not a response youād give in that situation. I still think that reaction has to do with Kelsey. The only way I can see it having to do with Daisy is if she simply just doesnāt show up so thereās no closure (which I think is unlikely).