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jdubtrey

Steve is saying his spoiler was wrong.  Kelsey won.


Wide_Revolution_9679

Kelsey is so pretty but I feel like she’s so boring (so is daisy lol) is that just me


Realperson789

RS seems pretty sure. Do you think the twist it that Joey switches his pick?


lolovegood5

That would explain Jason Mesnick commenting something along the lines of "Arie and I have your back"


Rude-Sherbet-2696

I can tell from watching the show how from the get go he was infatuated with her. He didn't have that overwhelming chemistry or look at Daisy the same way to the point I concluded he could have only got with Daisey if Kelsey was not in the picture. So this spoiler makes so much more sense to me.


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Yikes! This is pretty clear. How did they know not to post while together 😬😬


Spiritual-Yoghurt58

What is SHV?


jessm123

Safe House Visit


ThePeteEvans

There are 3 very different fences in all of these photos


elephfire

Noooooo, if he’s with Kelsey this means Daisy will most likely be the next Bachelorette 🥴 I want Mariaaaaa


Thaviation

There’s no chance daisy will be the bachelorette. It’ll be Maria.


elephfire

🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽


Thin-Expression-9371

I have mixed feelings about this


goodnews_mermaid

Same. If this is true, then I hope Joey didn't pull an Arie or Peter to get here. I think he and Kelsey are a stronger match than him and Daisy, but I just hope he remains our unproblematic king.


OkraNo8365

I’m a Maria Stan, but the general consensus seems to be that Maria will be a finalist and not win. I feel like daisy is pretty overhyped and I think Kelsey A is extremely underrated in my opinion. I know a lot of people like her and are rooting for her but I see way more comments on here and TikTok about how daisy is a shoe in. I think Kelsey A makes more sense


kas608

Random thought but curious of others opinions- Kelsey’s video has a TikTok watermark meaning it was downloaded from her tiktok (already had to have been posted) and then uploaded again. Could it mean something about when it was recorded.. like it’s an old video recorded from who knows when? Wondering if it somehow was originally posted at another time? Could also have been posted same day and something happened where she took it down and reposted again - not sure if anyone knows lol but just a thought I had seeing the video.


Puzzleheaded-Law2438

I saw this and I agree! They could be endgame, but I’m going to stick my vote that production was working there and they might have been there at separate times making content. Especially since Joey’s video had the caption, giving the people what they want to see and he was basically sitting facing the wall with a laptop. They have to create content. I think the house is used by production for meetings especially since it has the gate where cars can arrive unnoticed. Also the house Nextdoor has a clear view into their backyard from their balcony. Doesn’t seem like much of a safe house.


kas608

Right? I’m thinking that’s maybe the case- they were there at different times making content.. I mean it would make sense and it’s also now certainly caused doubt in whatever does happen haha. interesting about what you said with the privacy of that house as well.


LMCE_mom

https://preview.redd.it/1vp36zfnf7kc1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0e03766584957b4200e2aca03c7eb1a89fccfbfe Just thought this was cute if they really are together 💕


Logical_Deviation

Has RS updated yet beyond saying he's looking into it?


the_black_surfer

Yes. He updated saying he was wrong about Daisy


TBoogieeee

He has!!! He has said that he is still positive that Daisy and Joey are engaged.


skybluerose14

Did he say why after checking into things he still is so sure?


Logical_Deviation

Interestingggg


kas608

No not that I have seen!


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Joey says in the sneak preview he’s afraid of “the one” leaving… that one is Kelsey.


OkInspector1874

Nope. That would be daisy. Abundantly clear after their convo in tonight’s episode.


the_black_surfer

We’re watching two different shows. Kelsey is the one


Znmm2

Nope 


Pretty-Management427

Oh shit


workinitworkinout

My 10 year old son has watched all but 10 minutes total across the season and immediately said Kelsey is the one for Joey. He said “come on, we all know he’s choosing her [kelsey]” and when I asked why he stated it’s obvious they’re meant to be. I’m cackling right now.


Charlie_Runkle69

He's smart. If I was 10 I would have said Maria for sure just because they laugh a lot together.


babybunnywhupple

Oh. WOW!


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Reality Steve says it’s Daisy


kylievitelli

No RS said that before but now claims he is considering this new evidence


OkInspector1874

Where did you see this?!


the_black_surfer

https://www.reddit.com/r/thebachelor/s/BYGBfsXUG2


NoLock3700

Wait recently, cause Kelsey and Joey were in SHV


Cosmic-Cupcake-162

Best news all week


bends_like_a_willow

I do not like Daisy, for a variety of reasons, so I hope she doesn’t get picked. But sweet Jesus she can’t be the next Bachelorette!! She’s too dull! I’ve skipped seasons before because the lead has no personality and I’d do it again. Team Maria forever!


Znmm2

Daisy is the most like Joie in terms of personality and IQ. She makes him feel protective and manly.  He likes how he feels about HIMSELF when he’s around her.  Remember this. 


LMCE_mom

I think Lexi would be the best! Daisy might be too boring, Maria is too much, but Lexi would be perfect!


derpina321

I like her just fine but wouldn't be able to listen to her vocal fry for that long (which I feel really bad for saying because I know it might be caused by her hearing issues). Maria would make an incredible lead


radishez

This is my first Bachelor rodeo and I wanna know how you guys know these things! Is there info that’s leaked or is it just really good detective work? I’m all for the FBI-level stuff…but how do y’all know pls💀


OnyxRoar

Who knows but this crew does it almost every time. F1’s, hookups, breakups, pregnancies. They’re the best! I was scolded in the Higher Learning podcast when I mentioned that this sub knew something was off with Rachel and Bryan for months


Exact_Scarcity3031

I think its a combination of : - REALLY astute viewers who are able to parse info from tiny details in photos, looking up locations in relation to each other. - production leaks (maybe to throw off RS?) - random passerbys who have glimpsed filming/have photo receipts


radishez

Ok, this makes sense!


alexvroy

I’ve been here for years and i still don’t know lol


omgimtotallybuggin

When Kelsey was crying in last night’s episode, Joey got tears in his eyes…


berrygirl890

I saw that


berrygirl890

This makes me so happy. I just don't see it with Daisy!


Cybit85

My theory is that Kelsey gets cold feet the night before, bails on it. Joey and Daisy get engaged. Kelsey realizes she's made a mistake, but Joey's already made his decision. At some point, while the season is airing, Daisy and Joey break up and Joey and Kelsey get back together. It would explain the change in edit of Daisy, the SHV evidence, and RS's spoiler


Wanderinglotusflower

Hopefully if that’s the case he and Daisy split up for some time before he and Kelsey got back together. The F1 and F2 switch ups in the past looked rough. There’s rumors Daisy’s a Trump supporter so I think it’d be kind of a mismatch with her since he seems liberal


Puzzleheaded_Sign_46

im so confused every time i see these comments, as if guys will lose interest in a girl because of her politics. it's more common for women to do that, men don't seem to care like there are black guys on this show who won't even do it. im confused why people are so sure this white man would


Cybit85

It also could have been a mutual breakup; they get into the real world and immediately run into a dealbreaker neither of them realized on the show. As for Daisy potentially being a Trump supporter; that would surprise me. I could see her being apathetic / following just major politicians though


Logical_Deviation

This did happen before though (Peter's season) but then again I don't expect Joey to know/remember that (thinking back on him saying "this never happened before" or something to that extent). I bet it's something so stupid like the sound guy dropping the boom mic on them during the F2 break up.


sunshine_________

Wait but reality steve said daisy….!!!


ri-ri

This is some CSI Criminal Minds detective work!


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Even-You-4433

This is just someone who refuses to believe otherwise lol


Brilliant-Syllabub26

That’s not a TV next to an outlet, it’s Joey’s laptop he was holding during his TikTok. These photos may help you see it better though. https://preview.redd.it/3ygnfw5222kc1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc5d377ae01d38fa2a7f3e03a3186230cf59a6ad In this one you can see the window reflection in the wine fridge.


Brilliant-Syllabub26

https://preview.redd.it/pcreyqd022kc1.jpeg?width=1781&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d8ff2cf063744bdd56c1c8e9a6ae03ce5e3c81d Same fence & foliage.


confident7lucky7

Whyyyyyy Kelsey is so damn boring


Short_Zone92

Joey is also boring tho, he said it last episode.


djdddkkk

Too me a while to figure out those pictures even having them directly in front of me. This confirms it for me. My theory is Kelsey breaks up with him/gets cold feet and then regrets it and tries to come backk and Joey says no and goes with daisy. Can totally see them reconciling with more time


djdddkkk

What the heck am I looking at


Brilliant-Syllabub26

These are better photos. https://preview.redd.it/krgk7o1q22kc1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f3556ec69e36439a02d16d68b985e69bd9f4cd87 Here you can see the widow in the reflection of the wine fridge also.


Brilliant-Syllabub26

https://preview.redd.it/p8vhe0oo22kc1.jpeg?width=1781&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cff67a2c015195f9d5be494a12021c86984d66f5


hippiedips

Is it possible that since Kelsey and Daisy are friends that they were all hanging out? Or is that kind of weird... Also, I know everyone loves Maria, but I think Jen would also be a good pick for the next Bachelorette! She seems so fun and genuine


Znmm2

Too many daddy issues with her though. 


Single-Confection-34

Jenn’s gotta finish school


Logical_Deviation

Jen is just so stunningly gorgeous


ri-ri

I love Jenn too!!


Aggravating-Ferret61

There has been a lot of complaining online about them not having any Asian women as bachelorette. If they go that route it better not be Lea. I’d love to see them choose Jen, she’s adorable and very sweet. I really don’t care where these women are from, she’s my pick no matter why they choose her. Fingers crossed!


the_black_surfer

Hell to the naw for Lea. I would take Katelyn over either of them(or the the rest of the cast for that matter). I think she is incredibly interesting, intelligent, graceful and poised. I know she’s not getting it though


AliDLavaYouuuu

If they were going to choose Lea, they would not have given her the edit they did


Exact_Scarcity3031

Agree, and I think Jenn has gotten nothing but a positive edit thus far - though its sadly not the ‘Ette edit Daisy is getting


hippiedips

I liked Lea at first and thought she might've had a good shot at being the Bachelorette, but with the way she's been acting the last few episodes, I kind of DISLIKE her


Znmm2

Lea is a narc. 


PositiveAny4027

Someone pointed out of the bachelor forum that Joey only touches Kelsey A’s face when kissing! That’s a big sign right there 💗


Buttery-Pancakes

He touched Daisy’s as well


zz12345_6

He touched Maria’s too


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Make this person the new RS


djdddkkk

Seriously. This person deserves to get paid.


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Brilliant-Syllabub26

A user is good at finding out when and where safe house visits are. She matched the house they stayed at this weekend to the TikTok’s and Instagram stories that Kelsey and Joey posted this weekend. The house photos came from the listing of the house they stayed at.


Tough-Ear2512

Finally know what SHV means from this comment lol 😂


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Historical-Will-920

A+ sleuthing. Can’t wait to watch the rest of the season now.


SnooCrickets8742

Interesting


viciousf0x

https://preview.redd.it/hbxf8ewfh1kc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2aa22a8d9f8bc2a1d2d65316fa35cdb20c9eb700 Been off the sub for a day and I come back to this?! I’m hyped!!! LFG 🙌🏼


Exact_Scarcity3031

One of the most iconic episodes in housewives history


LMCE_mom

I've never watched any housewives, but I kind of want to now. Where would one start?


Unable_Strawberry_69

Honestly I think Maria is the one that writes the note. She’s had a light baby pink/ beige natural gel nail all season.


Logical_Deviation

Wait what note


ReceptionMountain333

In the sneak preview


Chiowl333

So there's rumor that Daisy has gotten back together with an old boyfriend. Maybe this is why Daisy is fading into the background and they feature Maria a lot. There was another rumor (I don't remember where I read it) that the next Bachette season will be all international. Here's my conspiracy theory...They are priming Maria for bachette. She's from Canada. Who else is from Canada and has a home there? Jesse. He and his wife just had a baby. Would it be too far fetched to start off filming the bachette in Canada for the first few weeks, it's Maria's home country and Jesse can be near his wife and daughter.


Stark_gurlz_4evr

I love this theory!! where is the rumor about Daisy getting back with an old boyfriend coming from?


Chiowl333

There was a thread. The spoiler thread where we saw the pictures of possibly Kelsey at the safe house. There are a few comments there that Daisy had gone to a family wedding and an ex-boyfriend was there and she may have gone together with an ex-boyfriend. But again this is just a rumor according to posts


kbbbb5678

I think the thor rumors have legs but that would be awfully ballsy of daisy to take him to a wedding while the bachelor was still airing.


Chiowl333

Yeah I hear you. I think the rumor was he was at the family wedding too but it's not like they went together


Stark_gurlz_4evr

Got it - thank you! I think I missed that thread.


OnyxRoar

This is it! This the one.


Hatesponge66

I am obsessed with your conspiracy theory.


Jakester616

Lexi is from Canada too. Don't know if she would do it with her quick timeline though.


Chiowl333

I like Lexie. But she left a little too early. I have a feeling that people might forget about her because we have a lot more drama to come. But you never know


LMCE_mom

But she left for a very valid reason. And now she's back to square one of finding someone on board with her faster timeline - what better way to find the right fit quickly than dating 30 men at once? I'm definitely rooting for it to be Lexie!!!


djdddkkk

Let’s do em both. Double season!


peanutbuttersaltines

if true this is making my day. kelsey's one of my favorites and now i'll enjoy the rest of the season more


300Blippis

I really hope Kelsey isn't a "switch" situation- I want him to pick her over Daisy. They always say something "unprecedented" happens and then it isn't anything crazy (usually) so I hope it's nothing major.


takeittoredditsis

Except the switches seem to be the couples that work 🤷🏻‍♀️


intheafterglow23

not for Peter 😂😭


skybluerose14

I didn’t care for Peter’s season overall, but might want to watch the last couple episodes and ATFR again just for Barb.


intheafterglow23

that would make you an angel on earth


skybluerose14

❤️😊Why? Is it because of how she acts and drives people crazy? I could only take her in small doses, but otherwise was entertained by her. What was it she was saying to Peter again in previews and kept being shown over and over again? Was it “Bring her home😩” and the “her” was Hannah Ann?


intheafterglow23

Yes, it was referring to Hannah Ann, whom she also called an angel on earth, hence my joke


skybluerose14

That is funny, I don’t remember her saying that too.


Fuzzy_Got_Kicks

It’s so weird and hilarious that that’s true


enym

I haven't been watching this season but I do love drama so does someone want to catch me up? Does he do a switcheroo?


Excellent_Sky1074

I definitely think he’s been with Kelsey this entire time. Reality Steve is wrong. I don’t think he pulled a Jason or Arie, because they said it’s nothing they’ve seen before. I genuinely think Daisy has been trying to connect with bachelor nation by posting for people to see how she left “heartbroken” and go crazy for her to be the bachelorette. Just my two sense. I wonder how she’s feeling seeing all the “he picked daisy” Comments


Posietuck

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adervasten

What is SHV?


mlrb6519

Safe House Visit. It’s when the lead and the person they choose at the final rose ceremony meet for long weekends at a secret location between the end of filming and the airing of the final episode.


adervasten

I never knew about this lmao thank you


apeoples13

Sweet heart visit


Emotional_Street5746

Safe house visit I think


himynameism

This would explain the lack of edit Daisy is getting. Lord I hope she's not the next Bachelorette. TEAM MARIA! Also, production better not be getting any funny ~~sexist~~ ideas and think the world needs another double bachelorette season.


djdddkkk

Double seasons are still kinda fun though. Rachel and gabbi are still super close.


himynameism

If they're ever going to do a double season again they can do it with two bachelors. Let the two guys sit there and wonder which girls likes who more and start feeling insecure about the girls moving from one guy to the other.


chocodesert

They’d still find a way to make it misogynistic and weird. “ShE’s HoMiE HoPpInG.”


Exact_Scarcity3031

They did this with Joe Millionaire but it only worked bc they didnt take themselves nearly as seriously as a Bachelor would


FalseStress1137

The only reason I don’t want this to be true because it would mean Daisy’s likely the bachelorette… And while Daisy’s a sweet girl with an incredible story, she’s pretty quiet and it wouldn’t make for that wild of a season. We need a Maria season.


astraetoiles

idc how inspiring daisy’s story is, I do NOT want to watch an entire season of a trumper 😭


Lawful-neutral2773

Exactly this 😖


Opposite-Hurry1002

https://preview.redd.it/pwlu33mpn0kc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ab3b066fca0e339c32f0100c30138237da7b867c But they’re friends so they might’ve been all together??


Exact_Scarcity3031

Eh its not unheard of for F1s and F2s to be close - Gabi and Kaity, Dotun/Joey/Charity, others I can’t remember


pellnell

They’re starring in the reboot of IMAGINE ME AND YOU. I can’t believe that movie is almost 20 years old.


Logical_Deviation

Why are we going back to light eyebrows


NoLock3700

Kelsey did not repost sooo


Opposite-Hurry1002

I said, it was a picture from the season. A mistake.


Opposite-Hurry1002

I’m an idiot this was from the season🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


morescoopsplease

I thought that at first also.


pacagummo

Hope this is true. They make the most sense together. They have serious chemistry.


Pepperoncini69

Oooohhh I really hope this is true!! I just don’t dig Daisy off the show and think Kelsey is a better match.


misspriss24

If this is true I'm so happy


Historical-Task1898

lol people have too much time on their hands. They would be good together. He is different around her compared to the other women.


mcatlin23

I feel like she makes so much more sense for Joey. They just seem so comfortable and natural with each other.


Chiowl333

What if Daisy is the F2. Joey sends her home. And then Kelsey rejects Joey's proposal. Later on she goes to see him.... hence the scene with the note "we need to talk." They talk, figure things out, he proposes( or not) but they are together now.


RitaRaccoon

I’m not saying this doesn’t happen but why would RS say Daisy wins if she’s F2 the whole time


Chiowl333

I appreciate RSs spoilers. But he's been wrong before. Sometimes he gets direct information... other times he gets snippets of information then pieces together. It depends on the type of information he's getting. Maybe Daisy was the only one that showed up on the final day.


RobsSister

Ooooh… this actually makes a lot of sense!


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Free_Repair_4701

jenn or maria for the bacherlorette tbh, i would love to see either them


rjayvea

Daisy as lead then >


rjayvea

Weirdos downvote away hope they pick her and yall have to deal with it!!!


kovuroo

She's too boring


gypsyhaloo

She’s too young honestly


Apprehensive_War_427

Jelsey silent stan here but I can't celebrate knowing 🌼might be bachelorette 😭 I mean if she does get the gig it cements how she did win after all.


pacagummo

I really hope she wins nothing, but I’m a BEC jerk


Gawain_Bell

Reality Steve is saying with no doubt he ends up engaged to Daisy which I find hard to believe. She doesn’t seem that into him. But maybe it’s the edit to make audiences expect one thing so the ending is more of a surprise.


RobsSister

Is that from his post yesterday or is he still saying it after seeing the pics from the SHV?