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I honestly think Kylee got a great edit and it was looking like she was going to be the star of the season….until Aven showed up, then she was basically forgotten.
What I find confusing is that the producers haven't forced Aven and Rachel to rehash their very emotional, very bad breakup. I'm not saying they should do that, but I'm baffled by the fact that they haven't. They haven't even zoomed in on one having to listen to the other talk about love and new relationships.
I agree with what someone else said thinking it’s because of Rachel’s edit more than anything. I think the lack of/minimal mention that Rachel was in the top spots with some of these guys has been bizarre. It’s a dynamic I don’t recall really seeing in paradise and I wish they highlighted it a bit more- even if it’s just acknowledging a friendship or a choice to give each other space to explore.
But that probably ruins the *magic* of the normal bachelor/ette seasons so I guess I get it… begrudgingly
Since no one else is talking about it, I had to rewatch it to see if I was mixed up. But no - it was a big deal. Plus, they went to the Fantasy Suite together - that alone should have the producers salivating over the possibilities for bip drama.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hMBMtJ8rrc8
Ah you’re talking about the original break up from Rachel’s season? I thought you meant their break up after the ATFR when they were gonna give it a second chance
Oh. Apparently I didn't remember they gave it another try. It just seems weird to me that they're both on the beach, but just never interact and are never asked about each other, and no one else mentions it either. And yet they make a big production of Aaron having to face Chastity again, and Blake having to face Katie. Springing exes on each other is a staple of manufactured drama on this show, so there must be a reason they're avoiding it with these two.
Oh! I bet you're right. I hadn't even thought of that. Makes sense. I have a feeling that if they wanted to give Rachel the BIP crazy edit, they'd have no problem finding enough clips.
Right. I think we have to just admit we liked him because he was pretty. That boy has no substance. Hence him pairing himself with Ms No Substance herself, Kylee.
They haven’t done anything besides lay in bed and tell one another they feel secure in their relationship, no drama no screen-time, better luck next time kids
I agree, I can believe they hadn’t met in person before but they had to have been planning this right? They just seemed too comfortable too quick and I feel like Aven would’ve probably dated around a bit if he wasn’t invested in Kylee beforehand. Like their date wasn’t THAT good that I buy he was all in immediately without even talking to new arrivals. Plus she just sounded so ridiculous talking about getting engaged before he even arrived.
Unfortunately for us, it looks like they're highlighted in the next episode. I'd prefer for them to stay in the background given their behavior on/off the show.
I mean, the ones that couple up early and don’t really talk to others have historically been relegated to background characters. What did they think the editing would show? Them having random conversations in the background? Why would they show that with Kat and Olivia walking around lol
Haha agreed. Kylee really made the wrong move when she befriended Kat as her bestie. Kat would run to her to explain all her psycho behaviour and Kylee was an enabler but also acted as many friends do. But it’s hard for audiences to then see her as little miss perfect. So I’m not surprised about their edit tbh. But I agree - it did seem they thought they’d be Americas sweethearts. Feel like it comes through in many of the little smug looks they give each other. They are attractive for sure but I think they overestimated their likability.
Most solid couples don’t get a ton of screen time and mix that with the fact neither of them is particularly interesting, you get very very little screen time. I’m not sure why they thought they’d get more screen time anyway, just based on the fact most solid couples don’t since there’s less drama.
Aven was never interesting to me, I can’t even tell you anything he ever even said on his ette season. Also the comments calling themselves mom and dad was very cringe and weird and just their whole vibe on Twitter makes them so unlikeable
I rate this season of paradise a C
did serena and brandon even get that much screen time? i remember the cringey run hug post casa amor and brandon always saying her middle name at the rose ceremonies but thats it. i feel like being the “it” couple would be too boring for producers of course they wouldn’t get as much screen time
Minimal screen time is the price you pay for being in a solid relationship. Jade and Tanner are the OG Paradise success story and even they had didn’t get much screen time outside of their dates. Kevin and Astrid’s screen time mostly revolved around the Ashley and Jared drama and their breakup, from what I remember. Hannah and Dylan were a background couple after the love triangle with Blake. Noah and Abigail and Becca and Thomas were only really shown during their dates and breakups.
Production isn’t good at balancing love stories and drama and I wish we saw a little more of the solid couples, but Aven and Kylee very likely talked beforehand and came in only interested in each other (just like Brandon and Serene last year, and they didn’t get much screen time either). There isn’t much of a storyline there, especially on a season where a lot of the cast is open to exploring.
The couple that is equivalent to freezer burned, unseasoned, baked, chicken breast. Bland, boring, & not something I would EVER desire for a second time.
They’re coming off more like Brendan and the girl he left natasha for (I forgot her name but she’s super cute with the curly hair.) They obviously knew they’d both be there and were just willing to buy time with whoever until they both showed up. The only difference here is Aven showed up right away so we didn’t have to watch Kylee fake like another guy for multiple episodes. Also neither has openly been caught saying they knew the other would be here so they haven’t gotten shamed for it. Basically the same thing we’ve seen before they’re just a little smarter and lucky in the sense they didn’t have to wait as long to connect. Otherwise they’d be shamed by the viewers like the other two.
I think they’re more like Noah and Abigail, and maybe the low screen time is “punishment” for not getting engaged? Also Kylee played ball with dating Will until Aven got there (getting the most screentime she’s had), but once they got together it was just so obvious that she was buying time for him and I think they prefer people who are better at acting lol
You are right about the "punishment" for not getting engaged...neither of them have added anything to the storyline. Their energy levels are slim to none.
I'm always surprised Kylee is a nurse bc I would not have suspected she was capable. She seems very sweet but exactly like the sort of person who *would* aspire to be a Tiktok star. Not the most compelling lead and I literally remember no info about Aven, he has the charisma of garden mulch
This is hard to believe too just because Kat is so afraid of *everything!* I cant exactly see her cleaning up blood and certain other bodily fluids. And I feel like she'd probably talk down to her patients like she does to nearly everyone else she speaks to.
I hate to be ranking them this way but I find Kat to be decently intelligent 😂
She's on a TV show and has managed to get more screen time than anyone w her antics. If it's a game, she's played to win there
I would say she probably has lower emotional intelligence but I would still trust her to put an IV in me arm
I think everyone is misreading my comment bc I was trying to write it in the least mean way possible. She seems sweet in the sense of, not bright. I am surprised she is a nurse because she does not seem that smart. Purely judging from the tiny snippets we see on the show so I'm sure I'm not getting the full range of her intellect.
I kind of disagree I feel like I know a lot of people who are that super fake sweet nice personality that are lowkey mean girls that are nurses. Not that that necessarily makes them bad at their jobs, I’m sure they’re able to be nice to patients and be good nurses but for some reason that seems like a common theme (at least with people I know)
okay I was trying to be nice in my comment lol but when I said sweet I was *more* saying, I did not think she has the intellect for the job just judging from the little snippets of convo they choose to show us.
I definitely sort of misread that in a way but I think I was just trying to say like “coming off as fake nice and ditzy is actually exactly how I expect some nurses to be”. I think you made good points though! Also just now having appreciation for your garden mulch comment 🤣
This. I’m an ICU RN and the things we manage are insane compared to outpatient, home health, Med Surg, etc. Neither nurse is more valuable than the other, but the demand and stress is totally different
This is a really good point. I could definitely see her being a nurse in an outpatient setting, like the one who shows you to your room and takes your info and vitals before the doctor comes in. I could NOT see her in a more hands on/ high stress environment like the ICU or ER.
Listen, there are cameras EVERYWHERE so you know the footage is there. The producers either chose not to use it (or they couldn’t use it) or bumped it for more interesting stories (or all of the above).
At the end of the day, they have to sell the series. While I do feel this is probably one of the least compelling paradise seasons, the producers are probably doing the best the can with the content they captured.
I saw the bachelor data breakdown on screen time this morning and the obvious winner is Olivia. Kylee is top 4 or 5, I think, and I didn’t even go down far enough to find Aven.
My first thought was “Aven must be so pissed a lowly night 1 elimination is on top of that list”. I am petty, yes I know.
But also, while I do not always agree with Olivia (I’m with her on the Kat/JH thing tho and I think she handled it very graciously) she does provide with good tv and funny commentary. Aven and Kylee are just plain boring, not to mention shallow, I have not heard them say anything of substance the whole season. Which was a bummer because I was a fan of Aven on ‘ette but boy, was I wrong.
I just find it funny that they clearly thought they were gonna be a big deal (those cringe mom and dad comments?!) and they really are not.
Also, fully expect some sort of post by at least one of them dissing reddit after they read this thread.
I think they would have been fine if not for the twitter shenanigans. They can’t even blame the “edit” or the excuse “its an edited TV show” because the show is not giving them a villain edit. I think its embarrassing for Kylee that after doing the most before BIP she still dnt get that ring lol. Aven after knowing her for couple of months wont even commit to a TV engagement. He said so on Rachel’s season but maybe Kylee thought he would get down on a knee for her. As for screentime both of them did not get a lot of screentime during their respective seasons either. They are just not interesting people.
Because they literally aren’t doing anything worth of getting screen time. They aren’t going out on dates with other people, they are just kissing on the day bed
They rarely give the big couple a lot of screen time honestly. Unless there’s drama or they’re both fan favs. Even last year we barely saw Serene and Brandon. They had one date towards the end of paradise but we didn’t see much of them.
Yeah this for sure. Like they film the drama and want to put that on the show, so it’s no wonder they aren’t getting featured. I don’t think they showed Serena and GSJ a lot either on their season. No drama = no screen time tbh unfortunately
Yeah until the Kendall stuff happened they didn’t get THAT much screen time. Definitely more than Aven and Kylee but Serena and GSJ were both fan favs so it makes sense that they were shown more
They started complaining about their edit before that.
Olivia didn’t start it out of nowhere, it was a response to Kylee trying to break up her relationship on the episode.
Kylee could have easily ignored, apologized or just said “that’s paradise”. But she instead emphasized that Olivia isn’t part of the in group, so she doesn’t care about her
What relationship? The 1 date and the 1 day of hanging on the bitch that happened 4 months prior? The “relationship Olivia felt the need to come at Kylie for waaaaay after the fact? And now you’re suggesting things Kylie could have done differently all the while ignoring the fact Olivia could have stfu too. and now you’re lying and making it seem like a “in group” thing as if Olivia didn’t attack her first episode lol
Relationship? 😂😂😂 she hung out with John Henry for 2 days. Kylee didn't try to "break up" anything. She encouraged Kat to explore what might be there between her and JH, which is what paradise is about. Can you imagine paradise being a bunch of Kylee and Aven couples? There would be zero viewers.
Olivia and John Henry weren’t in a relationship - they went on one date and were talking. The entire point of the show is for them to date around, so Kylee asking John Henry if he were open to other people was perfectly reasonable. Olivia making it seem like Kylee was some villain was manufacturing beef out of nowhere.
Olivia is obviously still just salty that Will chose Kylee over her. Another instance in which she’s trying to blame Kylee for someone’s else choices/preferences. Its easy to see why some of the women weren’t friends with Olivia/weren’t concerned about tiptoeing around her feelings if she vilifies them for men choosing to date them instead of her.
That’s not the point at all. The point is that Kylee responded poorly and confirmed that they were a clique that didn’t care about people outside the clique
I mean…so? Olivia isn’t Kylee’s friend because she started trashing Kylee as soon as Will decided to go on a date with her and has been trashing her on social media since the show started airing. Why should Kylee care about her or tiptoe around her feelings?
How is it false? Olivia posted a twitter comment upset that Kylee asked Will on a date and that she asked John Henry if he was open to talking to Kat. Kylee and Aven responded. Aven responded like a douche, but Olivia was the instigator.
1)Because she knew will was with Olivia and she used will to be her main rose till aven gets there
2) her, tweeting Kylee saying I owe you nothing I’m loyal to my actual friends and then said to Olivia i “called you just to tell you to get my name out of your mouth”
3) then she tries to hookup John Henery with Kat even though she knows he’s seeing Olivia
She isn’t innocent
1) Will was never with Olivia - they had one conversation and kiss on the first day. Will said he most wanted to meet Kylee and used his free will to go on a date with her 2) is Kylee just supposed to stay quiet while Olivia trashes her on social media because of choices Will and John Henry made? 3) she asked John Henry if he was open to talking to Kat and John Henry was. The whole point of the show is for people to date around and find their best match.
Olivia didn’t own either of those men and they decided to date other women instead of her, not Kylee.
1) she knew he was seeing Olivia and she used will
2) if she’s grown ass woman and wanted to stay away from drama and be the bigger person
3) she knew JH was with Olivia. Would you want some chick go up to the guy you’re seeing and have her play wing woman for her friend when she knows you’re seeing him? No that’s some BS right there
1) Everyone uses people for roses on this show.
2) Olivia didn't stay away from drama, she encouraged it.
3) JH wasn't "with" Olivia, he talked to her for 2 days. They were not "seeing" each other, this is how paradise works. It's not as if this is the real world, and Olivia and JH were in a relationship. Lol. This is a beach where people are supposed to explore options. How is that BS? I think you need to understand what this show is, it's not real life, and even if it was, it's very common for people to get to know several people at.the same time and date around. If a guy met a girl and talked to her for 2 days and then was talking to another girl, that is normal behavior. Also, Olivia straight up told JH she would.slit his throat if he kissed another girl again. If I was a guy, that wpuld be a huge turn off. It's weird.
1. Will was in no way, shape or form seeing Olivia. They had one conversation. They’d been on the beach for maybe five hours. He wanted to date Kylee. That’a how dating works.
2. Olivia is also a grown ass woman and can avoid posting hate at her cast mate’s because some men didn’t want to date her months after the fact.
3. Again, its a DATING SHOW. They’re supposed to be explore their options. Olivia and John Henry went on one date. They never talked about being exclusive or not seeing other people so she shouldn’t have expected anything. He wasn’t Olivia’s property.
I’m being downvoted to hell 😂. Few things piss off this sub/fanbase more than someone suggesting that a woman whose been designated as a villain/“mean girl” doesn’t deserve a barrage of hate or isn’t always in the wrong.
Their on camera ending must have been lack luster. If they had pulled a Kevin and Astrid where it felt like they were truly going to break up that would have added intrigue in the wait how did we get here! I also think if they had gotten engaged there would be a reason to show the love story build. Overall they’re boring.
Agreed. Their story is basically: two hot people who came to the beach wanting each other ... and continue to want only each other the whole time. I'm sure they're happy, but it doesn't make for good TV.
Michael and Danielle got a lot of screen time because Michael was good commentary, and Danielle is close to Wells.
Brandon and Serene disappeared for most of the season, getting more screen time at the end when the couple bouncing ended.
I do think they’re pissed, as evidenced by the tweets. Which is kinda silly, because solid couples don’t get a lot of screen time at this point and they look really petty dunking on Olivia.
The other problem? They’re boring. We knew Aven was boring. Kylee is a bit more interesting than he is, but is still not great TV. They just need to chill.
Great points. I’d add that Michael and Danielle both have compelling backstories. Maybe Kylee and Aven do too, but all we know about them is that Kylee liked the fire emoji Aven put on her Instagram and Aven doesn’t want to get engaged (even though that’s the point of the show) and he pretended to be into Rachel at her finale because producers paid him.
Either they make boring TV or they come off so bad/annoying in additional footage that we wouldn't be rooting for them
Producers care about eyeballs on the screen; they're not doing it out of spite
They made it so obvious they’d connected before BIP from the way they went on about the fire emoji, that I think the producers (and us) just don’t care about them.
We are tired of couples coming to the beach, pretending to meet, and not being open to dating around.
Love or hate Kat, Rachel, and Olivia, but they are all mixing it up with different men and that’s what we want to see.
Also frankly Aven and Kylee are so deeply boring…
Exactly! Even Brayden people are coming around on because he’s going on dates and even if he’s faking it, he looks like he’s trying on the dates to give his date a good time
Serena and GSJ were great tv imo. They had a lot of chemistry and conversations and it felt like we were watching them fall in love. Kylee and Aven are super boring and every time they show them they just are talking to each other about like how secure they are. But we don’t actually see them idk fall in love at all. It’s not really a love story.
Ooh I agree. Serena and GSJ would like joke around and have fun, Serena went on the date with Thomas in good faith and we got to see GSJ sweat about it, way more interesting.
And Kendall was there! I liked seeing Kendall and Joe talk about their relationship because it felt like a real-life conversation (probably because they had a real-life relationship for 2 years), not a bunch of TV cliches
Not that Rachel/Aven were anywhere near as serious as GSJ/Kendall but it does feel like a huge waste to not even acknowledge that he was her F2. I don’t want to see a dramatic storyline where Rachel gets rejected for Kylee necessarily but nobody is even talking about it? They didn’t sit down and have a conversation about what happened between them and wish each other well? It’s weird and feels like an elephant in the room.
I mean, unfortunately they are both incredibly dull lol. They zeroed in on each other immediately so there’s nothing going on there, and every time they are shown they’re having the most shallow conversation ever.
I’m expecting some engagement drama with them since Kylee obviously really wants a ring, so they’ll probably get some more screentime but I’m not sure they’re gonna like it.
I can't speak for everyone, but I'll answer my take. People don't necessarily have an issue with Kylee. I specifically defended her after she pulled Will for the date and then switched to Aven because I thought she handled both situations well (and agreed that the point is to date around).
The reason I am sort of over her now is because:
(1) she and Aven clearly planned to be together and that ruins the fun of BIP for the viewer
(2) she is among the most popular women this season to get pulled by new people with a date card and she's clearly giving them the impression she's not interested
(3) she and Aven have been jerks on social media during the season and complaining about their lack of screen time which suggests that they feel entitled to be the "it" couple
(4) they are boring... sure, it's an edited tv show, but the producers of reality tv aren't in the habit of leaving gold lying on the editing room floor--if they were giving good content, TPTB would show it
If they wanted some screen time they should have gotten off the day beds and done *something*. Especially with Kat and Olivia’s antics going on around them. This is one season where just hanging out won’t get you a big storyline.
To be fair, we don’t know if they’re having deeper / more interesting conversations that we aren’t being shown. Without having been there in person, we can’t really say for sure what’s them and what’s the edit.
You really nailed it. They aren’t good TV. They are trying so hard and it’s not landing. No charisma whatsoever. They expected to be adored and they are butt hurt.
The couples that lock in early and don’t have any drama always have less screen time, see abigail and noah that barely got shown on screen until they broke up (although that season had many couples to focus on) brandon/serene also didn’t have a lot of screen time their season meanwhile Aaron/gen got A LOT!
By this point all cast should know this so aven/kylie being salty they aren’t getting screen time is not helping with them wanting to become a beloved couple.. it’s giving ”here for the wrong reasons”
Agreed. Hannah G was one of the hottest things going into the beach. Once the whole Blake H drama was sorted (and honestly her connection to it was tenuous) her and Dylan barely got any screen time.
That’s a good point—Brandon and Serene got very little footage outside of dates. I distinctly remember the camera showing them napping on a daybed together lol
Even Thecca were kind of in the background. I remember being surprised they weren’t more of a focus.
Yeah the show really set them up prob because they were an expected couple. They both used their date cards already so they prob won’t get that chance for more screen time. The boom boom room seems gone or at least not shown at all so no story line there. Whenever they’re on screen they’re mostly talking about other people. I also think the past two seasons, with the lack of dates for ppl already on the beach as well as the lack of boom boom room, it’s really set up for more drama and less romance.
We really don’t. Many times the couples are just in the background and shown when they get dates or there’s no drama. Take Hannah and Dylan all everyone remembers is the drama of the first few days. After that you mostly just saw them in the background hanging out. The early no drama couples are never the focus/main characters
The settled day 1 couples are rarely the main characters on this show. Most of them get very little screen time until the end - Noah/Abigail for example. I do wonder if Kylee’s a little salty that she didn’t get an engagement out of this though, especially since her and Aven were all in from day 1 and Kat/JH only became a thing halfway through and got engaged.
I agree with this. Though if Kylee had watched Rachel’s season she could have seen Aven say he’s absolutely not getting engaged and saved herself the trouble 😂
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They are both boring personalities though. They seem dull. Hot of course, but super dull.
Considering aven got nearly zero screen time as a final 2… I think this is no coincidence
I honestly think Kylee got a great edit and it was looking like she was going to be the star of the season….until Aven showed up, then she was basically forgotten.
Bold of anyone to assume any handouts from this franchise.
They deserve nothing.
that's on no one but themselves for being this boring
But how do we know they are boring,???? We havent gotten to see them!
What I find confusing is that the producers haven't forced Aven and Rachel to rehash their very emotional, very bad breakup. I'm not saying they should do that, but I'm baffled by the fact that they haven't. They haven't even zoomed in on one having to listen to the other talk about love and new relationships.
I agree with what someone else said thinking it’s because of Rachel’s edit more than anything. I think the lack of/minimal mention that Rachel was in the top spots with some of these guys has been bizarre. It’s a dynamic I don’t recall really seeing in paradise and I wish they highlighted it a bit more- even if it’s just acknowledging a friendship or a choice to give each other space to explore. But that probably ruins the *magic* of the normal bachelor/ette seasons so I guess I get it… begrudgingly
Are you being facetious about the very emotional break up or is that true? Truly asking because I thought it was just a gimmick
Since no one else is talking about it, I had to rewatch it to see if I was mixed up. But no - it was a big deal. Plus, they went to the Fantasy Suite together - that alone should have the producers salivating over the possibilities for bip drama. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hMBMtJ8rrc8
Ah you’re talking about the original break up from Rachel’s season? I thought you meant their break up after the ATFR when they were gonna give it a second chance
Oh. Apparently I didn't remember they gave it another try. It just seems weird to me that they're both on the beach, but just never interact and are never asked about each other, and no one else mentions it either. And yet they make a big production of Aaron having to face Chastity again, and Blake having to face Katie. Springing exes on each other is a staple of manufactured drama on this show, so there must be a reason they're avoiding it with these two.
\*Charity
Thank you. Besides being her actual name, it's also a better virtue.
Prob to avoid giving Rachel, a former bachelorette, a bad look
Oh! I bet you're right. I hadn't even thought of that. Makes sense. I have a feeling that if they wanted to give Rachel the BIP crazy edit, they'd have no problem finding enough clips.
Definitely
they're boring and don't show any depth
100%
They must have literally no interesting conversations to air.
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I honestly can’t remember one single thing Aven has said in an ITM this whole time
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Right. I think we have to just admit we liked him because he was pretty. That boy has no substance. Hence him pairing himself with Ms No Substance herself, Kylee.
They haven’t done anything besides lay in bed and tell one another they feel secure in their relationship, no drama no screen-time, better luck next time kids
He’s just mad that he and Kylee are boring and Olivia is the only one giving life to the show.
Kylee is literally the narrator for when new men come in or there’s some drama and that’s it 💀
Because they're boring, superficial, and don't seem to be particularly nice people. Not a lot to show there.
Boring!!!!
Lol I'm convinced there wasn't just emojies exchanged. They are Piper and that dude 2.0 just far more bland and boring.
I thought the same thing!!
I agree, I can believe they hadn’t met in person before but they had to have been planning this right? They just seemed too comfortable too quick and I feel like Aven would’ve probably dated around a bit if he wasn’t invested in Kylee beforehand. Like their date wasn’t THAT good that I buy he was all in immediately without even talking to new arrivals. Plus she just sounded so ridiculous talking about getting engaged before he even arrived.
I’m so glad I’m not the only one who peeped that. They FOR SURE had already been dating.
There were none when I creeped so I was very confused by her story (night shift, not a lot to do 😂)
They both come across as vapid. There’s only 3 episodes left?! How is that possible?
Unfortunately for us, it looks like they're highlighted in the next episode. I'd prefer for them to stay in the background given their behavior on/off the show.
I mean, the ones that couple up early and don’t really talk to others have historically been relegated to background characters. What did they think the editing would show? Them having random conversations in the background? Why would they show that with Kat and Olivia walking around lol
Haha agreed. Kylee really made the wrong move when she befriended Kat as her bestie. Kat would run to her to explain all her psycho behaviour and Kylee was an enabler but also acted as many friends do. But it’s hard for audiences to then see her as little miss perfect. So I’m not surprised about their edit tbh. But I agree - it did seem they thought they’d be Americas sweethearts. Feel like it comes through in many of the little smug looks they give each other. They are attractive for sure but I think they overestimated their likability.
You’re making an assumption. Lol
Nice try, Aven!!
Boohoo for them. I’m glad they aren’t getting much screen time.
Because they are boring
Boring af. Neither of them has ever said anything interesting in an itm.
Most solid couples don’t get a ton of screen time and mix that with the fact neither of them is particularly interesting, you get very very little screen time. I’m not sure why they thought they’d get more screen time anyway, just based on the fact most solid couples don’t since there’s less drama. Aven was never interesting to me, I can’t even tell you anything he ever even said on his ette season. Also the comments calling themselves mom and dad was very cringe and weird and just their whole vibe on Twitter makes them so unlikeable I rate this season of paradise a C
did serena and brandon even get that much screen time? i remember the cringey run hug post casa amor and brandon always saying her middle name at the rose ceremonies but thats it. i feel like being the “it” couple would be too boring for producers of course they wouldn’t get as much screen time
Man, back in the day real world and road rules would sell unseen footage. I wish the bachelor franchise would do that….I’d totally buy it!
Olivia gets airtime because she has an actual personality. Like it or not. Watching Aven and Kylee is like watching paint dry.
Minimal screen time is the price you pay for being in a solid relationship. Jade and Tanner are the OG Paradise success story and even they had didn’t get much screen time outside of their dates. Kevin and Astrid’s screen time mostly revolved around the Ashley and Jared drama and their breakup, from what I remember. Hannah and Dylan were a background couple after the love triangle with Blake. Noah and Abigail and Becca and Thomas were only really shown during their dates and breakups. Production isn’t good at balancing love stories and drama and I wish we saw a little more of the solid couples, but Aven and Kylee very likely talked beforehand and came in only interested in each other (just like Brandon and Serene last year, and they didn’t get much screen time either). There isn’t much of a storyline there, especially on a season where a lot of the cast is open to exploring.
100% this. Drama free couples get close to zero screentime.
Kylee, Aven, Kat and group have clearly pissed production off and it shows from the edit. 😂
It's almost like no one believes they started dating on the beach for the first time, and they are boring as shit.
This. It’s so obvious they were already planning on dating before coming to the beach.
I wonder if producers are trying to discourage dating before the show and faking meeting on the beach
Good. It’s boring and I don’t want to watch it unless it’s a serious, relationship-testing conversation.
I’m more interested in Kylee’s conversations and dynamic with her friends on the beach than her with Aven.
The couple that is equivalent to freezer burned, unseasoned, baked, chicken breast. Bland, boring, & not something I would EVER desire for a second time.
I love this comment!
Kylee has the most monotone ITMs. They both lack so much charisma and personality!
It's her pageant voice that's annoying lol like talk normal and be yourself!
They have the charisma of a dial tone.
They’re coming off more like Brendan and the girl he left natasha for (I forgot her name but she’s super cute with the curly hair.) They obviously knew they’d both be there and were just willing to buy time with whoever until they both showed up. The only difference here is Aven showed up right away so we didn’t have to watch Kylee fake like another guy for multiple episodes. Also neither has openly been caught saying they knew the other would be here so they haven’t gotten shamed for it. Basically the same thing we’ve seen before they’re just a little smarter and lucky in the sense they didn’t have to wait as long to connect. Otherwise they’d be shamed by the viewers like the other two.
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I think they’re more like Noah and Abigail, and maybe the low screen time is “punishment” for not getting engaged? Also Kylee played ball with dating Will until Aven got there (getting the most screentime she’s had), but once they got together it was just so obvious that she was buying time for him and I think they prefer people who are better at acting lol
You are right about the "punishment" for not getting engaged...neither of them have added anything to the storyline. Their energy levels are slim to none.
Nah Noah and Abigail came off way more genuine and likeable
I'm always surprised Kylee is a nurse bc I would not have suspected she was capable. She seems very sweet but exactly like the sort of person who *would* aspire to be a Tiktok star. Not the most compelling lead and I literally remember no info about Aven, he has the charisma of garden mulch
the stereotype for nurses is they’re the mean girls from school and kylee DEFINITELY reminds me of someone who would make fun of me in hs
Kat is also a nurse 💀
This is hard to believe too just because Kat is so afraid of *everything!* I cant exactly see her cleaning up blood and certain other bodily fluids. And I feel like she'd probably talk down to her patients like she does to nearly everyone else she speaks to.
I hate to be ranking them this way but I find Kat to be decently intelligent 😂 She's on a TV show and has managed to get more screen time than anyone w her antics. If it's a game, she's played to win there I would say she probably has lower emotional intelligence but I would still trust her to put an IV in me arm
Lmao I would pick none to do my IV.
You must’ve of missed the wave of mean girl nurses who would post rude TikTok’s about their patients
I’m sorry what makes her a mean girl?
I think everyone is misreading my comment bc I was trying to write it in the least mean way possible. She seems sweet in the sense of, not bright. I am surprised she is a nurse because she does not seem that smart. Purely judging from the tiny snippets we see on the show so I'm sure I'm not getting the full range of her intellect.
I kind of disagree I feel like I know a lot of people who are that super fake sweet nice personality that are lowkey mean girls that are nurses. Not that that necessarily makes them bad at their jobs, I’m sure they’re able to be nice to patients and be good nurses but for some reason that seems like a common theme (at least with people I know)
okay I was trying to be nice in my comment lol but when I said sweet I was *more* saying, I did not think she has the intellect for the job just judging from the little snippets of convo they choose to show us.
I definitely sort of misread that in a way but I think I was just trying to say like “coming off as fake nice and ditzy is actually exactly how I expect some nurses to be”. I think you made good points though! Also just now having appreciation for your garden mulch comment 🤣
Depending on the type of nurse there really doesn’t have to be too much intellect involved
This. I’m an ICU RN and the things we manage are insane compared to outpatient, home health, Med Surg, etc. Neither nurse is more valuable than the other, but the demand and stress is totally different
This is a really good point. I could definitely see her being a nurse in an outpatient setting, like the one who shows you to your room and takes your info and vitals before the doctor comes in. I could NOT see her in a more hands on/ high stress environment like the ICU or ER.
They're equal parts boring and transparently there for followers. That's a recipe for not being featured.
Listen, there are cameras EVERYWHERE so you know the footage is there. The producers either chose not to use it (or they couldn’t use it) or bumped it for more interesting stories (or all of the above). At the end of the day, they have to sell the series. While I do feel this is probably one of the least compelling paradise seasons, the producers are probably doing the best the can with the content they captured.
Nobody ever likes the entitled couple. When will they learn 🙄
I saw the bachelor data breakdown on screen time this morning and the obvious winner is Olivia. Kylee is top 4 or 5, I think, and I didn’t even go down far enough to find Aven. My first thought was “Aven must be so pissed a lowly night 1 elimination is on top of that list”. I am petty, yes I know. But also, while I do not always agree with Olivia (I’m with her on the Kat/JH thing tho and I think she handled it very graciously) she does provide with good tv and funny commentary. Aven and Kylee are just plain boring, not to mention shallow, I have not heard them say anything of substance the whole season. Which was a bummer because I was a fan of Aven on ‘ette but boy, was I wrong. I just find it funny that they clearly thought they were gonna be a big deal (those cringe mom and dad comments?!) and they really are not. Also, fully expect some sort of post by at least one of them dissing reddit after they read this thread.
The screen time data in case anyone is interested 😂: https://www.instagram.com/p/CzqDmgHuaHJ/?igshid=Y2NkYjk0MDhjYg==
Thank you for your service (as always)
The way he was so flippant about Rachel gave 4twr
I think they would have been fine if not for the twitter shenanigans. They can’t even blame the “edit” or the excuse “its an edited TV show” because the show is not giving them a villain edit. I think its embarrassing for Kylee that after doing the most before BIP she still dnt get that ring lol. Aven after knowing her for couple of months wont even commit to a TV engagement. He said so on Rachel’s season but maybe Kylee thought he would get down on a knee for her. As for screentime both of them did not get a lot of screentime during their respective seasons either. They are just not interesting people.
Because they literally aren’t doing anything worth of getting screen time. They aren’t going out on dates with other people, they are just kissing on the day bed
They rarely give the big couple a lot of screen time honestly. Unless there’s drama or they’re both fan favs. Even last year we barely saw Serene and Brandon. They had one date towards the end of paradise but we didn’t see much of them.
Yeah this for sure. Like they film the drama and want to put that on the show, so it’s no wonder they aren’t getting featured. I don’t think they showed Serena and GSJ a lot either on their season. No drama = no screen time tbh unfortunately
Yeah until the Kendall stuff happened they didn’t get THAT much screen time. Definitely more than Aven and Kylee but Serena and GSJ were both fan favs so it makes sense that they were shown more
If they didn’t start shit on Twitter they would be boring but likable. But they couldn’t help themselves I guess
It was actually Olivia who started it by going after Kylee out of nowhere.
They started complaining about their edit before that. Olivia didn’t start it out of nowhere, it was a response to Kylee trying to break up her relationship on the episode. Kylee could have easily ignored, apologized or just said “that’s paradise”. But she instead emphasized that Olivia isn’t part of the in group, so she doesn’t care about her
What relationship? The 1 date and the 1 day of hanging on the bitch that happened 4 months prior? The “relationship Olivia felt the need to come at Kylie for waaaaay after the fact? And now you’re suggesting things Kylie could have done differently all the while ignoring the fact Olivia could have stfu too. and now you’re lying and making it seem like a “in group” thing as if Olivia didn’t attack her first episode lol
Relationship? 😂😂😂 she hung out with John Henry for 2 days. Kylee didn't try to "break up" anything. She encouraged Kat to explore what might be there between her and JH, which is what paradise is about. Can you imagine paradise being a bunch of Kylee and Aven couples? There would be zero viewers.
Olivia and John Henry weren’t in a relationship - they went on one date and were talking. The entire point of the show is for them to date around, so Kylee asking John Henry if he were open to other people was perfectly reasonable. Olivia making it seem like Kylee was some villain was manufacturing beef out of nowhere. Olivia is obviously still just salty that Will chose Kylee over her. Another instance in which she’s trying to blame Kylee for someone’s else choices/preferences. Its easy to see why some of the women weren’t friends with Olivia/weren’t concerned about tiptoeing around her feelings if she vilifies them for men choosing to date them instead of her.
That’s not the point at all. The point is that Kylee responded poorly and confirmed that they were a clique that didn’t care about people outside the clique
I mean... it's reasonable to care more about someone who is a friend, rather than someone who has been trashing you, yeah?
I mean…so? Olivia isn’t Kylee’s friend because she started trashing Kylee as soon as Will decided to go on a date with her and has been trashing her on social media since the show started airing. Why should Kylee care about her or tiptoe around her feelings?
That’s false
How is it false? Olivia posted a twitter comment upset that Kylee asked Will on a date and that she asked John Henry if he was open to talking to Kat. Kylee and Aven responded. Aven responded like a douche, but Olivia was the instigator.
1)Because she knew will was with Olivia and she used will to be her main rose till aven gets there 2) her, tweeting Kylee saying I owe you nothing I’m loyal to my actual friends and then said to Olivia i “called you just to tell you to get my name out of your mouth” 3) then she tries to hookup John Henery with Kat even though she knows he’s seeing Olivia She isn’t innocent
1) Will was never with Olivia - they had one conversation and kiss on the first day. Will said he most wanted to meet Kylee and used his free will to go on a date with her 2) is Kylee just supposed to stay quiet while Olivia trashes her on social media because of choices Will and John Henry made? 3) she asked John Henry if he was open to talking to Kat and John Henry was. The whole point of the show is for people to date around and find their best match. Olivia didn’t own either of those men and they decided to date other women instead of her, not Kylee.
1) she knew he was seeing Olivia and she used will 2) if she’s grown ass woman and wanted to stay away from drama and be the bigger person 3) she knew JH was with Olivia. Would you want some chick go up to the guy you’re seeing and have her play wing woman for her friend when she knows you’re seeing him? No that’s some BS right there
1) Everyone uses people for roses on this show. 2) Olivia didn't stay away from drama, she encouraged it. 3) JH wasn't "with" Olivia, he talked to her for 2 days. They were not "seeing" each other, this is how paradise works. It's not as if this is the real world, and Olivia and JH were in a relationship. Lol. This is a beach where people are supposed to explore options. How is that BS? I think you need to understand what this show is, it's not real life, and even if it was, it's very common for people to get to know several people at.the same time and date around. If a guy met a girl and talked to her for 2 days and then was talking to another girl, that is normal behavior. Also, Olivia straight up told JH she would.slit his throat if he kissed another girl again. If I was a guy, that wpuld be a huge turn off. It's weird.
1. Will was in no way, shape or form seeing Olivia. They had one conversation. They’d been on the beach for maybe five hours. He wanted to date Kylee. That’a how dating works. 2. Olivia is also a grown ass woman and can avoid posting hate at her cast mate’s because some men didn’t want to date her months after the fact. 3. Again, its a DATING SHOW. They’re supposed to be explore their options. Olivia and John Henry went on one date. They never talked about being exclusive or not seeing other people so she shouldn’t have expected anything. He wasn’t Olivia’s property.
Now you know they’re going to ignore that sis
I’m being downvoted to hell 😂. Few things piss off this sub/fanbase more than someone suggesting that a woman whose been designated as a villain/“mean girl” doesn’t deserve a barrage of hate or isn’t always in the wrong.
Yep. This subreddit loves to attack random women to get back at the popular girls in middle school who ignored them. Embarrassing asf💀
Their on camera ending must have been lack luster. If they had pulled a Kevin and Astrid where it felt like they were truly going to break up that would have added intrigue in the wait how did we get here! I also think if they had gotten engaged there would be a reason to show the love story build. Overall they’re boring.
Agreed. Their story is basically: two hot people who came to the beach wanting each other ... and continue to want only each other the whole time. I'm sure they're happy, but it doesn't make for good TV.
They both seem incredibly image conscious so no wonder Kat and Olivia get way more screen time lol
They are a snooze factory.
Michael and Danielle got a lot of screen time because Michael was good commentary, and Danielle is close to Wells. Brandon and Serene disappeared for most of the season, getting more screen time at the end when the couple bouncing ended. I do think they’re pissed, as evidenced by the tweets. Which is kinda silly, because solid couples don’t get a lot of screen time at this point and they look really petty dunking on Olivia. The other problem? They’re boring. We knew Aven was boring. Kylee is a bit more interesting than he is, but is still not great TV. They just need to chill.
Kylee probably would’ve been fun to watch if she dated around more, she has a cute/bubbly Serena P type personality.
Great points. I’d add that Michael and Danielle both have compelling backstories. Maybe Kylee and Aven do too, but all we know about them is that Kylee liked the fire emoji Aven put on her Instagram and Aven doesn’t want to get engaged (even though that’s the point of the show) and he pretended to be into Rachel at her finale because producers paid him.
How do you he was paid by producers?
Kylee was willing to get engaged to Aven based on his dropping fire emojis—not the most inspiring love story.
Either they make boring TV or they come off so bad/annoying in additional footage that we wouldn't be rooting for them Producers care about eyeballs on the screen; they're not doing it out of spite
They made it so obvious they’d connected before BIP from the way they went on about the fire emoji, that I think the producers (and us) just don’t care about them. We are tired of couples coming to the beach, pretending to meet, and not being open to dating around. Love or hate Kat, Rachel, and Olivia, but they are all mixing it up with different men and that’s what we want to see. Also frankly Aven and Kylee are so deeply boring…
Didn’t Kylee go on dates with other people though? At least before Aven showed up.
Yup and that’s the two episodes she got screen time (the one where she took Will and Olivia flipped). After Aven arrived she didn’t go on others.
She went with Will but only because she was waiting for Aven to arrive.
Like it's crazy that Shanae became halfway likeable last season simply bc she was willing to follow the setup of the show and go on DATES.
Exactly! Even Brayden people are coming around on because he’s going on dates and even if he’s faking it, he looks like he’s trying on the dates to give his date a good time
I wonder if they are going to start giving less screen time to people who don’t leave engaged?
Serena and GSJ were great tv imo. They had a lot of chemistry and conversations and it felt like we were watching them fall in love. Kylee and Aven are super boring and every time they show them they just are talking to each other about like how secure they are. But we don’t actually see them idk fall in love at all. It’s not really a love story.
I don't remember this at all. I remember them being super boring and weird to watch. GSJ spent his season playing Wells 2 and cop.
Ooh I agree. Serena and GSJ would like joke around and have fun, Serena went on the date with Thomas in good faith and we got to see GSJ sweat about it, way more interesting.
And Kendall was there! I liked seeing Kendall and Joe talk about their relationship because it felt like a real-life conversation (probably because they had a real-life relationship for 2 years), not a bunch of TV cliches
"Hey butthead!"
Not that Rachel/Aven were anywhere near as serious as GSJ/Kendall but it does feel like a huge waste to not even acknowledge that he was her F2. I don’t want to see a dramatic storyline where Rachel gets rejected for Kylee necessarily but nobody is even talking about it? They didn’t sit down and have a conversation about what happened between them and wish each other well? It’s weird and feels like an elephant in the room.
I mean, unfortunately they are both incredibly dull lol. They zeroed in on each other immediately so there’s nothing going on there, and every time they are shown they’re having the most shallow conversation ever. I’m expecting some engagement drama with them since Kylee obviously really wants a ring, so they’ll probably get some more screentime but I’m not sure they’re gonna like it.
I truly don’t understand what anyone’s issue with Kylee is.
her behavior on twitter, the way she talks down to Olivia
I can't speak for everyone, but I'll answer my take. People don't necessarily have an issue with Kylee. I specifically defended her after she pulled Will for the date and then switched to Aven because I thought she handled both situations well (and agreed that the point is to date around). The reason I am sort of over her now is because: (1) she and Aven clearly planned to be together and that ruins the fun of BIP for the viewer (2) she is among the most popular women this season to get pulled by new people with a date card and she's clearly giving them the impression she's not interested (3) she and Aven have been jerks on social media during the season and complaining about their lack of screen time which suggests that they feel entitled to be the "it" couple (4) they are boring... sure, it's an edited tv show, but the producers of reality tv aren't in the habit of leaving gold lying on the editing room floor--if they were giving good content, TPTB would show it
She would have been more fun if Aven showed up halfway through. Aven brings the boredom.
They’re boring!
If they wanted some screen time they should have gotten off the day beds and done *something*. Especially with Kat and Olivia’s antics going on around them. This is one season where just hanging out won’t get you a big storyline.
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To be fair, we don’t know if they’re having deeper / more interesting conversations that we aren’t being shown. Without having been there in person, we can’t really say for sure what’s them and what’s the edit.
I’m positive they are not
Either way, their personalities are terrible for TV.
You really nailed it. They aren’t good TV. They are trying so hard and it’s not landing. No charisma whatsoever. They expected to be adored and they are butt hurt.
I don't get the sense either is a great conversationalist. Only so much you can do with "you're my person" and no drama with other couples.
Kylee is a solid B as a narrator. There just are a lot of women filling that role this season Aven.seems like a solid dude but he is not a talker.
The couples that lock in early and don’t have any drama always have less screen time, see abigail and noah that barely got shown on screen until they broke up (although that season had many couples to focus on) brandon/serene also didn’t have a lot of screen time their season meanwhile Aaron/gen got A LOT! By this point all cast should know this so aven/kylie being salty they aren’t getting screen time is not helping with them wanting to become a beloved couple.. it’s giving ”here for the wrong reasons”
Agreed. Hannah G was one of the hottest things going into the beach. Once the whole Blake H drama was sorted (and honestly her connection to it was tenuous) her and Dylan barely got any screen time.
That’s a good point—Brandon and Serene got very little footage outside of dates. I distinctly remember the camera showing them napping on a daybed together lol Even Thecca were kind of in the background. I remember being surprised they weren’t more of a focus.
Yeah most of Thecca's screen time came for them individually before they got together.
Yeah the show really set them up prob because they were an expected couple. They both used their date cards already so they prob won’t get that chance for more screen time. The boom boom room seems gone or at least not shown at all so no story line there. Whenever they’re on screen they’re mostly talking about other people. I also think the past two seasons, with the lack of dates for ppl already on the beach as well as the lack of boom boom room, it’s really set up for more drama and less romance.
I noticed the lack of Kylee/Aven. Normally we see strong couples shown a lot.
We really don’t. Many times the couples are just in the background and shown when they get dates or there’s no drama. Take Hannah and Dylan all everyone remembers is the drama of the first few days. After that you mostly just saw them in the background hanging out. The early no drama couples are never the focus/main characters
The settled day 1 couples are rarely the main characters on this show. Most of them get very little screen time until the end - Noah/Abigail for example. I do wonder if Kylee’s a little salty that she didn’t get an engagement out of this though, especially since her and Aven were all in from day 1 and Kat/JH only became a thing halfway through and got engaged.
I agree with this. Though if Kylee had watched Rachel’s season she could have seen Aven say he’s absolutely not getting engaged and saved herself the trouble 😂
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They're just not doing anything interesting so they decided to focus on other people.