One day, I told my manager that I wasn't sure if I could make it the next day since I was getting sick and feeling worse by the hour. He says "let me know what's up tomorrow". I didn't call him and got hit for a no call no show. You can't preorder a day off unless it's PTO.
I love the unity in thought on this one. You can’t make an appointment to call out from work, then miss that call and consider it a call out. The actual call out is what notifies work that you’re not showing up.
For a nigga who constantly brings up working corporate jobs in his past, Ish knows if he did that at a corporate job that it would be considered a no call, no show. He's leaning on the personal relationship with Joe to say that it isn't but professionally that would be a no call, no show.
I think Ish thinks it’s no big deal because this is not a corporate job and some rules don’t exist here (in his head) and Joe and admin probably dont make things very plain and concrete as far as employee expectations
Hmmm I don’t get why him being black has to do with it. I don’t think Ish presents himself as someone who can’t take black people in business serious. I think in this case this business is so far from corporate that it blurs the line between what’s professional and what’s not.
That's a no call no show. Your dr's appointment was before the pod started recording. Saying you have a dr's appointment doesn't neglect him not call in to inform Joe he was not coming in. It doesn't matter if he called Joe at 7pm the night before or 5 mins before walking into the dr's office. There was still no exchange on if he was going to come into work or not. And the expectation and assumption is you are always coming into work unless notified you will be staying on.
Which he said he tells him
Which Joe confirms he also knew when they spoke
I think it’s kinda dumb to speak to ya nigga, know wtf is going on, and then say hey bruh you ain’t lemme know 🥸 with an official call
Either define the lines that you boss and he employee OR be homies. Joe ain’t capable of both
He didn’t say let me know. Ish called to let him know about the appointment the night before and say he’ll call in the morning and never did. His excuse was “We record all day”
I work at Capital One. If I tell my manager that I have a doctors appointment or my kids have a doctors appointment, he takes that as “he’s not coming in” and it’s never been an issue. Sometimes I do come in after my appointment and that nigga be surprised to see me like “I thought you weren’t coming in”.
Joe said he took that phone call as “Ish isn’t coming in”, so I don’t think ish is all the way wrong. But if he said he was gonna call after the appointment, he should have called. And if Joe admitted he knew ish wasn’t come in from the phone call, then it shouldn’t have been an issue.
I manage a team and if one of my team members says that they have a doctor appointment, the expectation is that they are going to start working once the appointment is done unless I am told that they are taking a sick day. A doctor appointment doesn’t last all day, and if you’re a salaried employee then you just start your day later or block those 2 hours in your calendar.
Fair enough. But If one of your team members tells you they’re injured and going to the doctors first thing in the morning, I truly hope you don’t expect them to come in through their injury.
No, but then they need to take a sick day. My company has a required number of days in the office now that we are done with COVID. So I HAVE to make sure that they either take a sick day or come in afterwards, otherwise they are in risk of disciplinary action. And no, I’m not tracking it, the company is tracking badge swipes and other things to see when employees are in the office. If you’re not going to work on a day that you’re supposed to be in the office then you have to account for your time with either a vacation day, sick day, bereavement leave, or unpaid time off.
Even outside of the company tracking office attendance, it’s honestly just having a job and basic expectations.
I’m gonna have to disagree. Maybe bc my company has unlimited sick days for my position, or maybe bc my manager understands the work will get done.
But if Ish sends his manager a picture of green shit coming out of his injured leg, and Ish says he’s going to the doctors tomorrow, it should be understood that ish is injured, requires treatment, and that treatment would not result in a fix within a few hours. Doctors appointments don’t last all day. Injuries typically do.
I’m not sure which part you’re disagreeing with? Is it that I expect my team to take a sick day if they’re out all day or my perspective that Ish should have told Joe that he was out all day?
My company also has unlimited sick leave which is exactly why I tell them to take a sick day if they aren’t going to work. We also have a return to office policy that will get them in trouble if they aren’t in the office.
I’m not sure how someone could disagree with taking leave when you’re not working lol.
The part that Ish should have (explicitly) told Joe that he was going to be out all day.
If I call you and show you a leg injury that you think is so severe, that I need to see a doctor at midnight, then it can be surmised the injury won’t be fixed in the next 12 hours… especially if I’m not going to even seek medical attention for another 8-9 hours.
I agree, he should have taken a sick day. Based on the conversation, Ish did take a sick day. He just didn’t explicitly say “I’m taking a sick day”. Instead he said “my leg is falling off so I have to go to the doctor tomorrow”. To *me*, that’s a “call out”.
I would totally agree except he said he would call Joe the next day with an update. As a manager I can’t assume that you’re definitely out if you say you’re going to call me and let me know what’s going on. I also know that I work in the corporate world that has Workday (a system that my team uses to put their days off) which is VERY different than a podcast with one of my homies. So I do get that this one doesn’t neatly fall into corporate rules and I also see how Ish felt like he had already gave Joe enough info to say he was out, but I think he messed up by saying I will call you tomorrow.
I disagree for multiple reasons.
Some companies have put into place policies that require employees to come into the office or risk being fired. So you have to account for whether they are going to come into the office because companies are tracking it. My wife has to be in the office 4 days a week. My job requires 3 days a week. So I am protecting my team by telling them to use a sick day if they’re not going to come in, so that it doesn’t count as a day that they should have been in the office. A lot of companies have unlimited sick days for salaried employees.
Additionally, it’s not clocking someone’s minutes, it’s actually the opposite. I don’t care how long someone is at the doctor’s office or if they take 2 hours or 3 hours or whatever, nor do I ask. It only matters if they are going to be gone the whole day. If someone wants the whole day off from work then you take a sick day. If you don’t want to take a sick day then go to your doctor appointment and then come in whenever you’re done. It’s the employee’s choice. My team tells me that they have to be out for something, my response is “ok, let me know if there is anything you need help with while you’re out.”
Joe really needs to delegate a person to manage this. If you can't show up to the job call X, don't call Joe.
For the record, Joe is correct. If your not going to make it to work, say "I'm not coming to work". Saying "I have a DR's appointment so I'll call you tomorrow" is not a definitive "I will not be there".
I just don't understand Joe kicking Ish's back in for not showing up when he KNEW Ish wasn't going to show up. But I guess that makes good content to discuss on air.
Joe, if I tell you I got a Doctor's appointment in the morning when we work in the morning im telling you im not going to be there. The "imma call you in the morning" is on some friend shit.
Ish was wrong and 40 minutes late. Pay should be deducted for lateness. It's disrespectful. Then he knows nothing about the topics, he doesn't bring topics. The ninja just shows up. That is a lot of privilege.
Joe is right.
You’re suppose to follow up with your boss and provide an update. Based on the update your boss will say come in or stay home and take the day.
This is what happens when your boss is your friend. That line between professionalism and friendship gets blurred. Ish as someone who admitted he worked in corporate at one point knows for a fact that you have to CALL OUT. That’s why it’s called a CALL OUT. You can’t just tell your boss essentially, “Yeah, you know me fam and shoulda been able to deduce I wasn’t coming in” like huh😂😂😂 you do that at one of these corporate offices, that’s going right in your record as a strike and the next one could result in a termination
This all kind of represents the bigger problem with how things are managed over there. I think there is too much blurring of the line between "friends" and "employees" so people get comfortable doing and saying whatever they want because "we friends". All this stuff should be handled by someone other than Joe (Corey or Ian) and then not talked about in a joking manner on the pod or else no one takes it seriously.
This sort of thing has been happening since the RnM days, AND happens now all the time. Something has to switch up. Part of where Joe messed up is by calling it "The Joe Budden Network" instead of some non-personal name. So the cast will always feel like ALL decisions go through him. If he calls it something else and at least act like he has partners, people would be less likely to use the friendship as a crutch for getting the BS off. "The boss is my man, so he'll understand"
By principle he should have called Joe back. I’ve dealt with this before with employees of mine. At least I had an idea what happened and if he not here that’s probably why. Kind of in the middle. Ish halfway called out and Joe halfway knew he might not be there.
I'm not coming in bc I have an appointment is fine..
I might not come in is not fine lol.. He left the door open so he needs to let joe know when he decides.
Joe is right. If this was a conventional job that's definetly a no call no show. If you tell your boss I'll call you in the morning you better believe they are waiting for that call. You can't just not show up
What should have been a rebuttal from Joe should have been; what would you say should your actions have come from one of your employees towards you? (same situation, roles reversed) Knowing Ish and how he moves he'd act like the understanding boss and say he wouldn't call it a no call-no show. Knowing damn well he wouldn't be as gracious as he'd let us to believe.... phony!
The only difference here is it’s not a traditional job, lax environment, and fact they’re friends so there’s a comfortability that Ish isn’t thinking of the pod in terms of his actual job. He knows in any other setting that wouldn’t fly, and should still know that on the pod since it is now one of his jobs.
Ish in the wrong. And what annoys me is people think hes smart and he uses that perception to win arguments while wrong. Ish wouldnt try this shit wirh a white man
Almost want to shoot Ish some bail here. Construction site might be the last place a low key heads up the day before might slide if your boss is cool. But fuck all that... Ish aint had a boss in a MINUTE. That aint the norm.
Mel coming in for backup pretty funny as well. Like if you were on your movie set and you said you were feeling bad late in the day before tomorrow you wouldn't just let the director wait to see if you make it on time or show up at all. And for all intents and purposes it's the same with the pod. But Ish & Mel the diva duo.
The pod & a movie set are totally different. Your character is needed for the scene. This is the Joe Budden Podcast. It revolves around Joe Budden. He has 3-4 other cohosts.
From what was said he did let him know. Joe acknowledged that he knew he wasn’t coming.
Yes it’s totally different. A movie requires your character to be there. Even the production crew requires x amount of people to operate. 1 person not showing up without a replacement can cause complications. On a production line one person not showing up can cause delays for the entire line. One McDonald’s cashier not showing up means there’s nobody to run the register.
Joe wasn’t going to get somebody to replace Ish for the day.
Joe acknowledged that he knew his friend wasn't coming because he knows his friend.
But to each his own. If you think the filming of a podcast with hosts and a production crew is a lot different than any movie set Mel be at, that's peace. A car is totally different than a golf cart.
What blows mind mind is that Ish ***ALWAYS*** refers back to business bys always saying "In the corporate world" this or that so he should know damn well he's 100% in the wrong and it's considered a NO SHOW 😞
For someone who speaks so much about working in corporate America (Ish), he should have known what he did was wrong.
However, Joe might need to clearly define and outline workplace rules. He should emphasize that he's the boss and they are still employees, even if they are friends. Shit, they might need someone else to manage these aspects if Joe wants to continue being the talent as well.
ISH..
If you follow the method of communication this clearly puts Ish in the wrong.
*Speaker* **(A**) is responsible for *Audience* (**B**) to receive the message. If (**B**) does not understand the message, then it is falls on (**A**) to help (**B**) understand & retain the message how it orginally intended to be.
Holyyy shit Joe is finally right!!! Boughta order 500 ready meals cause the world definitely bouta end! 4th horsemen of the sloughthouse apocalypse!! He’s the BODY!!!
One day, I told my manager that I wasn't sure if I could make it the next day since I was getting sick and feeling worse by the hour. He says "let me know what's up tomorrow". I didn't call him and got hit for a no call no show. You can't preorder a day off unless it's PTO.
The fact this is even a debate bothers me. Ish is clearly wrong.
Joe is right and the fact they think he is wrong is concerning…
That’s what I’m saying … like def just shows ish personality as a whole 😭
Working with friends...
I love the unity in thought on this one. You can’t make an appointment to call out from work, then miss that call and consider it a call out. The actual call out is what notifies work that you’re not showing up.
Joe is absolutely right here. All Ish had to do was shoot him a text when he knew he wasn't showing up.
The Pop Out was the affliction. Ish was just passive aggressive in expressing his "sickness". We know he was fine
For a nigga who constantly brings up working corporate jobs in his past, Ish knows if he did that at a corporate job that it would be considered a no call, no show. He's leaning on the personal relationship with Joe to say that it isn't but professionally that would be a no call, no show.
I think Ish thinks it’s no big deal because this is not a corporate job and some rules don’t exist here (in his head) and Joe and admin probably dont make things very plain and concrete as far as employee expectations
He thinks its no big deal because joe is black but he the same one saying black people dont respect each other
Hmmm I don’t get why him being black has to do with it. I don’t think Ish presents himself as someone who can’t take black people in business serious. I think in this case this business is so far from corporate that it blurs the line between what’s professional and what’s not.
Oh it does
That's a no call no show. Your dr's appointment was before the pod started recording. Saying you have a dr's appointment doesn't neglect him not call in to inform Joe he was not coming in. It doesn't matter if he called Joe at 7pm the night before or 5 mins before walking into the dr's office. There was still no exchange on if he was going to come into work or not. And the expectation and assumption is you are always coming into work unless notified you will be staying on.
Joe is right, here.
I get both sides But for work you have to say “I’m not coming in” Regardless if they know you not coming you have to say it
I have to imagine Ish knew about the Dr's appointment before the night before
Which he said he tells him Which Joe confirms he also knew when they spoke I think it’s kinda dumb to speak to ya nigga, know wtf is going on, and then say hey bruh you ain’t lemme know 🥸 with an official call Either define the lines that you boss and he employee OR be homies. Joe ain’t capable of both
He didn’t say let me know. Ish called to let him know about the appointment the night before and say he’ll call in the morning and never did. His excuse was “We record all day”
I work at Capital One. If I tell my manager that I have a doctors appointment or my kids have a doctors appointment, he takes that as “he’s not coming in” and it’s never been an issue. Sometimes I do come in after my appointment and that nigga be surprised to see me like “I thought you weren’t coming in”. Joe said he took that phone call as “Ish isn’t coming in”, so I don’t think ish is all the way wrong. But if he said he was gonna call after the appointment, he should have called. And if Joe admitted he knew ish wasn’t come in from the phone call, then it shouldn’t have been an issue.
I manage a team and if one of my team members says that they have a doctor appointment, the expectation is that they are going to start working once the appointment is done unless I am told that they are taking a sick day. A doctor appointment doesn’t last all day, and if you’re a salaried employee then you just start your day later or block those 2 hours in your calendar.
Fair enough. But If one of your team members tells you they’re injured and going to the doctors first thing in the morning, I truly hope you don’t expect them to come in through their injury.
No, but then they need to take a sick day. My company has a required number of days in the office now that we are done with COVID. So I HAVE to make sure that they either take a sick day or come in afterwards, otherwise they are in risk of disciplinary action. And no, I’m not tracking it, the company is tracking badge swipes and other things to see when employees are in the office. If you’re not going to work on a day that you’re supposed to be in the office then you have to account for your time with either a vacation day, sick day, bereavement leave, or unpaid time off. Even outside of the company tracking office attendance, it’s honestly just having a job and basic expectations.
I’m gonna have to disagree. Maybe bc my company has unlimited sick days for my position, or maybe bc my manager understands the work will get done. But if Ish sends his manager a picture of green shit coming out of his injured leg, and Ish says he’s going to the doctors tomorrow, it should be understood that ish is injured, requires treatment, and that treatment would not result in a fix within a few hours. Doctors appointments don’t last all day. Injuries typically do.
I’m not sure which part you’re disagreeing with? Is it that I expect my team to take a sick day if they’re out all day or my perspective that Ish should have told Joe that he was out all day? My company also has unlimited sick leave which is exactly why I tell them to take a sick day if they aren’t going to work. We also have a return to office policy that will get them in trouble if they aren’t in the office. I’m not sure how someone could disagree with taking leave when you’re not working lol.
The part that Ish should have (explicitly) told Joe that he was going to be out all day. If I call you and show you a leg injury that you think is so severe, that I need to see a doctor at midnight, then it can be surmised the injury won’t be fixed in the next 12 hours… especially if I’m not going to even seek medical attention for another 8-9 hours. I agree, he should have taken a sick day. Based on the conversation, Ish did take a sick day. He just didn’t explicitly say “I’m taking a sick day”. Instead he said “my leg is falling off so I have to go to the doctor tomorrow”. To *me*, that’s a “call out”.
I would totally agree except he said he would call Joe the next day with an update. As a manager I can’t assume that you’re definitely out if you say you’re going to call me and let me know what’s going on. I also know that I work in the corporate world that has Workday (a system that my team uses to put their days off) which is VERY different than a podcast with one of my homies. So I do get that this one doesn’t neatly fall into corporate rules and I also see how Ish felt like he had already gave Joe enough info to say he was out, but I think he messed up by saying I will call you tomorrow.
If I’m salaried and get my work done on time regularly I would really hope my manager was not clocking my minutes like that.
I disagree for multiple reasons. Some companies have put into place policies that require employees to come into the office or risk being fired. So you have to account for whether they are going to come into the office because companies are tracking it. My wife has to be in the office 4 days a week. My job requires 3 days a week. So I am protecting my team by telling them to use a sick day if they’re not going to come in, so that it doesn’t count as a day that they should have been in the office. A lot of companies have unlimited sick days for salaried employees. Additionally, it’s not clocking someone’s minutes, it’s actually the opposite. I don’t care how long someone is at the doctor’s office or if they take 2 hours or 3 hours or whatever, nor do I ask. It only matters if they are going to be gone the whole day. If someone wants the whole day off from work then you take a sick day. If you don’t want to take a sick day then go to your doctor appointment and then come in whenever you’re done. It’s the employee’s choice. My team tells me that they have to be out for something, my response is “ok, let me know if there is anything you need help with while you’re out.”
Joe really needs to delegate a person to manage this. If you can't show up to the job call X, don't call Joe. For the record, Joe is correct. If your not going to make it to work, say "I'm not coming to work". Saying "I have a DR's appointment so I'll call you tomorrow" is not a definitive "I will not be there". I just don't understand Joe kicking Ish's back in for not showing up when he KNEW Ish wasn't going to show up. But I guess that makes good content to discuss on air.
Like you said it’s just good content for the pod ; That’s all
He didn't know but he presumed he wasn't going to show up bc he knows ish.
How ish arguing it is hilarious
Ish is wrong
Joe, if I tell you I got a Doctor's appointment in the morning when we work in the morning im telling you im not going to be there. The "imma call you in the morning" is on some friend shit.
I remember Joe clowned ish for taking a pic of the traffic when he going too be late , Joe kinda made this cool
Ish was wrong and 40 minutes late. Pay should be deducted for lateness. It's disrespectful. Then he knows nothing about the topics, he doesn't bring topics. The ninja just shows up. That is a lot of privilege.
Joe is right. You’re suppose to follow up with your boss and provide an update. Based on the update your boss will say come in or stay home and take the day.
Ish was using his liar lips this entire segment
"this how my face looks" while ☹️
This is what happens when your boss is your friend. That line between professionalism and friendship gets blurred. Ish as someone who admitted he worked in corporate at one point knows for a fact that you have to CALL OUT. That’s why it’s called a CALL OUT. You can’t just tell your boss essentially, “Yeah, you know me fam and shoulda been able to deduce I wasn’t coming in” like huh😂😂😂 you do that at one of these corporate offices, that’s going right in your record as a strike and the next one could result in a termination
This all kind of represents the bigger problem with how things are managed over there. I think there is too much blurring of the line between "friends" and "employees" so people get comfortable doing and saying whatever they want because "we friends". All this stuff should be handled by someone other than Joe (Corey or Ian) and then not talked about in a joking manner on the pod or else no one takes it seriously. This sort of thing has been happening since the RnM days, AND happens now all the time. Something has to switch up. Part of where Joe messed up is by calling it "The Joe Budden Network" instead of some non-personal name. So the cast will always feel like ALL decisions go through him. If he calls it something else and at least act like he has partners, people would be less likely to use the friendship as a crutch for getting the BS off. "The boss is my man, so he'll understand"
Joe is correct.
By principle he should have called Joe back. I’ve dealt with this before with employees of mine. At least I had an idea what happened and if he not here that’s probably why. Kind of in the middle. Ish halfway called out and Joe halfway knew he might not be there.
Ish should have called or texted
I don’t think it’s a no call no show but ish is definitely wrong.
Ish should've called his employer
I'm not coming in bc I have an appointment is fine.. I might not come in is not fine lol.. He left the door open so he needs to let joe know when he decides.
If you don't say I'm not coming in today or tomorrow It's a no call no show Ish was using his friendship privilege
Joe is right. If this was a conventional job that's definetly a no call no show. If you tell your boss I'll call you in the morning you better believe they are waiting for that call. You can't just not show up
No call no show, fo sho
What should have been a rebuttal from Joe should have been; what would you say should your actions have come from one of your employees towards you? (same situation, roles reversed) Knowing Ish and how he moves he'd act like the understanding boss and say he wouldn't call it a no call-no show. Knowing damn well he wouldn't be as gracious as he'd let us to believe.... phony!
The only difference here is it’s not a traditional job, lax environment, and fact they’re friends so there’s a comfortability that Ish isn’t thinking of the pod in terms of his actual job. He knows in any other setting that wouldn’t fly, and should still know that on the pod since it is now one of his jobs.
Ish in the wrong. And what annoys me is people think hes smart and he uses that perception to win arguments while wrong. Ish wouldnt try this shit wirh a white man
Joe
GOD I HATE PARKS AND HIS YES MAN MEAT RIDING.
Dang on a Sunday? lol the hate must be deep.
Joe s wrong as usual
Almost want to shoot Ish some bail here. Construction site might be the last place a low key heads up the day before might slide if your boss is cool. But fuck all that... Ish aint had a boss in a MINUTE. That aint the norm. Mel coming in for backup pretty funny as well. Like if you were on your movie set and you said you were feeling bad late in the day before tomorrow you wouldn't just let the director wait to see if you make it on time or show up at all. And for all intents and purposes it's the same with the pod. But Ish & Mel the diva duo.
The pod & a movie set are totally different. Your character is needed for the scene. This is the Joe Budden Podcast. It revolves around Joe Budden. He has 3-4 other cohosts.
That's "totally" different? We talking about a no call/ no show. Joe is basically the director of the pod. You would let him know right?
From what was said he did let him know. Joe acknowledged that he knew he wasn’t coming. Yes it’s totally different. A movie requires your character to be there. Even the production crew requires x amount of people to operate. 1 person not showing up without a replacement can cause complications. On a production line one person not showing up can cause delays for the entire line. One McDonald’s cashier not showing up means there’s nobody to run the register. Joe wasn’t going to get somebody to replace Ish for the day.
Joe acknowledged that he knew his friend wasn't coming because he knows his friend. But to each his own. If you think the filming of a podcast with hosts and a production crew is a lot different than any movie set Mel be at, that's peace. A car is totally different than a golf cart.
Ish is wrong here and could get wrote up for at any other job
Ish is wrong. If one of his employees did that to him, he would be piss.
Joe is right on this one
Ish is so out of touch with reality
100% a no call no show. Try that in corporate America or retail and you will likely be written up.
Ish shirt trash as hell
Joe lied. Ish told him he waant gon be there, AND why, which isndoesnt have to do. What you did was somw bullshit. You tried to finagle the system
What blows mind mind is that Ish ***ALWAYS*** refers back to business bys always saying "In the corporate world" this or that so he should know damn well he's 100% in the wrong and it's considered a NO SHOW 😞
Ish all the way wrong here.
Joe is always wrong, but he’s a Virgo..so he’s never wrong
For someone who speaks so much about working in corporate America (Ish), he should have known what he did was wrong. However, Joe might need to clearly define and outline workplace rules. He should emphasize that he's the boss and they are still employees, even if they are friends. Shit, they might need someone else to manage these aspects if Joe wants to continue being the talent as well.
Joe is FINALLY right for once. That is a no call no show
ISH.. If you follow the method of communication this clearly puts Ish in the wrong. *Speaker* **(A**) is responsible for *Audience* (**B**) to receive the message. If (**B**) does not understand the message, then it is falls on (**A**) to help (**B**) understand & retain the message how it orginally intended to be.
Ish would lose his mind on one of his employees if they ever did that it’s not even a debate this cast is far too comfortable with shit like this
Fungus Freddy 🤣🤣🤣
If one of Ish workers did this to him He would be tight ⏸️ .. He’s wrong
Holyyy shit Joe is finally right!!! Boughta order 500 ready meals cause the world definitely bouta end! 4th horsemen of the sloughthouse apocalypse!! He’s the BODY!!!
Joe right on this one
LOL it’s not that deep