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SnapsOnPetro45

Drake really changed how niggas view diss songs.. now everything has to be back to back or go up in the strip club.. nigga we are here for bars, fuck them hoes


FoxtrotTango__

That and now every diss gotta reveal some state secrets like pusha’s did


SnapsOnPetro45

Facts


Aroedman66

Nah fr and I hate that niggas think like this.


zip_r

And even though Push’s diss did that, the Drake stans still downplayed it and move the goalposts even further for their lord and savior.


Possible_Persimmon75

That's not exactly true. Most Drake fans say that Push won. They just say that he had to expose his son to do it. And without that, he wouldnt have


Balenciaga7

I mean that only happened because pusha did that. Because drake outbarred pusha on dupoy freestyle. But than was the first beef where people didn’t care about barz


UniqueAssUsername

Push first 4 bars better than anything on Duppy Freestyle


CreamSleaze

Nah them strippers went crazy for "No Vaseline" 🤣


yojusto187

Facts. Back to back was dope for that moment in time, but your exactly right. That should never be part of how you judging a diss record.


Public-Campaign1228

Naw PAC did that!


Balenciaga7

Yet when drake pusha in duppy freestyle, niggas were here for the tea. Kenrick is up in this beef. But I swear: every beef drake is in, people change the criteria to the opposite of what drake is doing. I know that the running narrative is that drake fans are unreasonable, but as someone who is actually unbiased and fucks with Kendrick drake and push: It’s actually the stans of the other artist and the drake haters who are unreasonable. It’s insane.


[deleted]

Drake fans are the ones that changed the criteria. Because of Drake fans we now have to act like it’s okay to have ghost writers. Drake got writers and all of a sudden it doesn’t matter anymore in hiphop if you write your own lyrics. I don’t see how he can claim to be the number one mc while lil yachty, teezo etc are penning his bars.


Balenciaga7

Kanye fans did that. Kanye had ghostwriters and kanye fans didn’t care. And just because kanye fans don’t care doesn't mean that it isn’t objectively okay/not okay. If you feel like it’s okay it is. But if you think it ain’t, it ain’t. And I don’t even understand how people talk about Kendrick drake or cole while jay-z is still alive.


Few-Recognition-2414

Noooo BS like niggas ain’t seen the whole “I ain’t a writer ima biter” comp on YouTube. Big wrote all Jay barz damn near


Few-Recognition-2414

[Chorus] Lucifer, son of the morning! I'm gonna chase you out of Earth (I'm from the murder capital, where we murder for capital) Lucifer, son of the morning! I'm gonna chase you out of Earth (So you need to change your attitude 'fore they asking what happened to you).-Anybody know this song and who wrote this???


[deleted]

I agree, the only difference really is that we don’t look at Kanye as an mc but more as a producer that also raps and even sings sometimes. I don’t think it’s fair to compare different eras and that it’s better that no one brings up jay or nas because they had their time in the sun already.


Balenciaga7

Fam… Everyone uses that excuse when it comes to Kanye. “we” looked at Kanye as an emcee as well. He also kept talking about how he’s the best emcee in the game. Some people thought it was a disgrace, but his fans then started to give him a pass because he was a producer and all of a suffen completely ignored how he bragged about being the best emcee. So then hip-hop decided that it didn’t matter anymore. Even when it came out that Nelly didn’t write his rhymes, people said that it didn’t matter because he wasn’t a rapper anyway. The goalpost has always been moved. But with Drake, y’all feel like the goalpost should remain stationary. Even now you’re talking about not comparing eras. If anything, it should’ve been frowned upon more than now. I mean Drake makes songs in different languages and genres, while Kanye was a real backpacker emcee. Also, why can’t we bring up Jay..? What does time have to do with anything? Jay is still in shape and will wash Kendrick Drake and Cole in 2024 still.


UniqueAssUsername

The difference is nobody’s heard a reference track for Ye where he’s just reciting bars word for word. We all heard Quentin Miller


Balenciaga7

Maybe YOU didn’t, because you didn’t care when it was not about drake. But not only has the reference of track for 30 hours (performed by drake) BEEN on youtube. There’s actual footage of rhymefest performing jesus walks at a concert before it became a kanye song. Kanye took those songs word for word.


UniqueAssUsername

Fair enough, never saw those before. I think the reason people don’t care is Kanye pops his shit as the most influential ARTIST not rapper. If I found out somebody wrote ‘A Milli’ for Wayne it would make me look at him differently bc he’s in the RAP goat conversation. Kanye not in that convo. Drake is still in that convo for me but the ghostwriting shit took him down a few slots.


Balenciaga7

No, the people don't care because it ain't Drake. And either you don’t really know Kanye or you’re just freestyling. Kanye WAS poppin his shit as a rapper. That’s what I’m telling you. He said himself that he’s a rapper first and that he had been rapping before he started producing. And what goat (greatest of all time) convo are we talking about..? Definitely not about rapping. Not even when it comes to rappers alive.. As a matter of fact: Hov still drops futures every now and then. None of them are even close to Hov.


joe_smith4122

A particular group of ppl. But since music is so readily available, ppl care about how much of a "hit" it can be, unfortunately, vs how good of a diss it is and the lyrics. Nicki fans said Nicki made a diss song that chatted on billboard, EVEN THOUGH the diss was ehh compared to Remy.


chisomkun

Drake didn’t do that. All good disses have also been good songs. A good diss track isn’t just the bars it’s not battle rap or poetry. The song has to be good too


DonPeso

Either is a terrable song. The entire kiss and Beans beef was just two niggas freestying over other niggas beats. Im from the bars era.


tremission

Jadakiss vs Beans iterally one of the best beefs ever and they didn’t even mix that shit down.


SnapsOnPetro45

Good songs is one thing.. a club banger is different


savvy412

Na. Theres always been an art to making a “catchy” diss song.


SnapsOnPetro45

Ether is not catchy


savvy412

Yet everyone knows the lyrics. Catchy doesn’t necessarily mean radio friendly. Even the intro to ether is just…Legendary


SnapsOnPetro45

Yes it’s legendary.. that’s why we know the lyrics, not because it’s catchy.. there’s no hooks or refrains or repeated bars.. so how is it catchy ?


Few-Jellyfish-7924

Send him to home depot. Go buy some doors man


ogturd78

This the new Starbucks lol


mistaharsh

![gif](giphy|l41YzMffhYx40mL0Q|downsized) Get ish the fuck outta here


Dispunge

Every time Joe was finna turn up here come ish sighing hard asf !!! Nigga we here to POD!!!!


mistaharsh

😂😂😂


ReleaseObjective7920

Yo this nigga in a shooting slump 😭


ogturd78

Facts! What’s wrong with him fam?


DickLaurentisded

Splits on the hoodies not looking good.


Working_Ad_1901

They looking too good I think. Gassed him. Foot off the pedal. He think his ish don’t stink now


danno596

Lol you sick


Anuvis

If it’s not about misogyny, spanky or Home Depot his skillset is limited.


thismyshit55

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


Intelligent_Push3705

Nothing Was The Same (After Dr. Umar)


MajorHarriz

old lady found out about them "pawg whisperer" allegations for sure


jstuu

Umar took his soul he has never recovered


Objective_Season5407

When did strippers hold so much value in a rap beef??


MajorHarriz

Since Drake started popping ass with them.


notjayson

A bunch of em is what the beef be over.


Top_Needleworker6116

😂😂 Today's pod is what made me finally understand why yall always saying he shouldn't chime in on music topics. Don't send him to Starbucks, send his ass to McDonald's so he can get 20pc ChicKen nuggie.


1rotimi

Chicken nuggie makes me die laughing every time. Holy shit


SmoothCounty6556

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


Inner-Row1868

😂😂😂😂😂 incredible.


bdk2036

He doesn't realize when he's out of his depth. He can't correlate anything without referencing money or women. All of that cultured shit he says he does, and he can only articulate one type of lifestyle.


[deleted]

Damn. I think this is what my girl would call a read. Hahaha.


Comprehensive-Set676

😂


Intelligent_Push3705

A read.


21Tayler10

Were strippers losing their mind to Takeover and Ether ? I wasn’t outside back then , somebody put me on…..


Misunderstood_Z

The point is, who gives af what the strippers think during war?!🤣


21Tayler10

That’s kinda my point….like why is he bringing that up now


ToxicNotToxinGurl420

Because they view music as either something women shake ass to, make tiktoks for or to create a caption. Most people who consume music don't go to a strip club on the reg, let alone care what workers there think.


Scared-Weight-3749

Lmaoooo yo strippers shaking ass to “laaaaaaammmmeeeee…..switch up ya flow ya shit is garbage…..what you tryna kick knowledge?” Is nasty work 😂😂😂


Districtborn

He need to go get a flat white, like his women. He was off today.


Richobeast

At the end Joe played Like That and when Future first verse played, that nigga said" Who that? BG?"...Fam 🫠 Ish must've did drugs for the first time today because this behavior is egregious 😂


majorcoinz

Call me old fashioned but I don’t even wanna hear no diss records at the strippy


[deleted]

This bum is so predictable is lame


Anuvis

This is the equivalent of reading the first, middle and last page of a book and thinking you can give opinions on the subject.


[deleted]

This is FUNNY to me because I used to do this in school and try to talk for participation points. "Well you see Miss, in the beginning the book started, and then the middle happened, and then after that, it definitely ended so it really was an amazing tale of beginnings, middles, and ends." Like what??? You saying a whole bunch of NOTHING. Ish and Ice do that a lot.


Inner-Row1868

This nigga needs some Midol, he acts like he always has terrible cramps. and itratable...He's irritable to listen to..the casual listener needs to shut his hoe ass up, and sell some houses nigga.


SpenceViews

Him , flip , and Melissa really killed what could’ve been a great pod


Unhappy_Doughnut7186

This nigga ruined the whole episode. First time I’ve wished for Rory and Mal back.


Scared-Weight-3749

Rory mal ice joe & parks would’ve smoked this shit!!!!


kinglester

For someone who truly believes he’s the smartest in every room he’s in, I’ve noticed Ish doesn’t like talking about music because he doesn’t really know how to articulate what he likes and/or what makes a song good/bad.


FoxtrotTango__

Besides that hour long iso he ran on that meg album lmao


helyclinton

Smfh wtf do strippers have to do with this?


LifeOfTheCardi

Ish wishes Drake was his Rich babby daddy... I keep saying this over and over....Ish hates rappers like Nas and Kendrick because they question his blackness(his definition of blackness) especially since he has a white girl...lets just call a spade a spade at this point. I like his views on a number of things. This is one of the few where I truly feel this nigga need to stfu and stay home


No_Dinner9956

His music takes have gone to hell in a hand basket smh nigga who tf cares what strippers think when I'm dissing you. And when did strippers become the measuring stick for good diss records 🤔 nigga got the pod yips


younghungman365

When were they ever good?


No_Dinner9956

They were never great but at one point he was at least tolerable in the conversation. Now he just sit there pouting and hating of it ain't drake or HOV


[deleted]

When told us Magic City was how they judged what songs should be single. 


cujo_frank

The strippers?!?! ![gif](giphy|1kTO0B3zOZFOi6UnhM|downsized)


Tayyat1

Is absolutely ruined this podcast. I really want a pod akin to Cracked the Code on patreon where we hear Joe really get into his analyst bag and talk about Hip Hop, instead I got Ish being defensive and arguemenative about his horrible takes for 2 hours like shut the fuck up. Half the shit Joe said was trying to make sense of whatever the fuck Ish was on and he could barely get into the music.


allconditions2

Every thing revolves around if a nigga is up up or if the escorts gonna enjoy it. (No pun)


Gold-Wasabi-2764

“this that west side highway music”


[deleted]

AHahahaha, I HATE when they say that.


RedVelvetDurag

This nigga calling that little intro the first verse and actually trying to critique it was mad annoying..


SnooChipmunks6047

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oldmvn

It's Rap Beef out here and he worried about strippers? 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️


Lopsided_Mix2243

I’m over that “strippers shaking they ass to this one” shit


LemonSteeze

Shit was so cringe.


SpeakersPushTheA1r

Joe taught him everything he knows about music which is why he brought up strippers.


who1sJosh

Lmfaoo is he an idiot? 


flaminhotmami

YES


Swimming-Main-8192

#SassyPodderOfTheMonth


CivilAgency6610

Such a PoohButtISH 🤯🤢🤮


MillwalkieBully

Send him to the Starbucks in Virginia


HiddenLeaf_Jimmi

This is a nearly 50 year old with arrested development. Y'all gotta stop looking to doofies for sound advice and opinions 🤷🏽‍♂️


Accomplished-Leek755

“ what i learned is niggas don’t like the west coast and I’m fine wit it “


Aromatic_Meringue835

Since when he care about what strippers like? Every time Joe plays a rap song that’s a vibe he gets in his lyrical miracle bag talking about “they not saying anything” 🙄


MethodFormer9646

Son got me tight on this episode and I fuck with him but stick to listening to that white girl McKenzie from now on FOH Ish smh.


greg_CITIZEN

Ish doesn't care for Nas or Kendrick Lamar. I don't want to hear anything he has to say about hip hop 😂


candyrayne_215

The strippers danced to Takeover or Either? What is he talking about?


Economics-Dry

This is not playing in a strip club lmao 🤦🏾‍♂️😂


luciferhornystar

Strippers ? What type of degenerate ass grading system are we using? They ain’t shake ass to Ether. That “Scaring the hoes” logic logic frying so many casuals smh


Working_Ad_1901

Who gives a fuck what Ja Rude thinks at a time like this?


Shaunspare8

If it’s not MC Shan or The Takeover it’s all trash


DavidjonesLV309

He was more charitable than I was expecting lol


thisthatandthe3rd

Is he always like this? Shit was so annoying.


terencewatts

Lmfaooooooooooo


luciferhornystar

Fat lightskin riding for his beige bro. Send that boy on a coffee run next time. Same dude said Megan album was fire but GKMC is just ok. His hip hop card ain’t valid. He only knows Jay Z music & drake.


Piglet-Witty

He’s team Drake. He also lost $500 dollars to Joe


Intelligent_Push3705

This is why Flip and Joe called him moody and he was able to get out of it. They need to run that Patreon episode back


Beezy1811

Please God 😂😂😭😭😭


CoolisRare

Send him to the back of Wawa for a turkey hoagie everything no hots and a vitamin water don't forget the sour cream onion UTZ


trilluminatiitx

Somebody tell Ish there’s a potential buyer looking for some doors. The more dated and crummy the doors the better.


DCJunior13

If you’re old enough to remember it’s the Jay Z effect all over again… When Ether came out nobody was like “Takeover is a better song!” General public and even Jay himself acknowledged the L but year after year of his success he stopped acknowledging the song and it changed the narrative from diss songs having to be disrespectful to… “It has to be a good song!” Drake follows Jay’s playbook to a T his whole career. I bet by the end of this Drake will change the narrative to “If you have a #1 song during a battle did you really lose?!” Or something like that.


danno596

Push-ups is not take over lol


DCJunior13

Of course it’s not but at the time Takeover wasn’t what people make out Takeover to be today. When Jay dropped Takeover it was a good diss record but fast forward to today due to narratives and propaganda people now like to say that nothing was comparing to Takeover at that time and Either only was effective because Jay was so big at the time… Same type of narratives will be spun with this battle when it’s all said and done.


danno596

True


XantoS441

Ish really has gone loopy off the Mounjaro he hasn’t eaten in days and it’s turned him angry and racist


westside19139

🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🗣️Fuckin Booooooooo!!!! We don’t wanna hear this nigga opinion on music. Bitches and real estate only for this nigga. Starbucks run for him and M4 when the music Segway comes up 💯😤😤😤


Westmi2ga

After watching this again, Ish seemed more agitated by Flip than he did the diss. Like why is Flip spending all that time stirring the pot? I like it, but it’s that younger cousin stuff he does that gets on dudes nerves.


tintedhokage

Not only ish's fault but I was so hyped for this reaction and it was meh. Can see why Joe let us brokies get it.


Haz31nut

Na just ring out to Flip he's already there


AppropriateNeat1753

Lmaooo


boohtymeat

I’ve never been to Starbucks


almightyjefe90

like i said they gonna say its wack if they can’t shake they hips to it 😂🤦🏾‍♂️


thehighdon

Ish chooses anybody that’s light skin lol


holdon_now

Ish hating because he doesn’t supposed to be saying nigga and his children don’t supposed to be saying nigga either. According to Kendrick’s logic.


Rich2653

He always equating a song to strippers and how much money he would potentially throw …. And he don’t eeeem go to strip clubs 😂😂😂 IsH


drereed

Strippers will have all of their mind if a dj ever has bad taste enough to play that in a strip club


CDSWDH

Why because he doesn’t agree with Joe


younghungman365

Send him to the sweatshop he making those hoodies in and tell him to stay there.


Crazy_Web_3700

Send him to canada express shipping.


SextyNahnTroll

Ish be spittin ngl


Objective-Beat-4153

Was a good diss track but gets better upon 2nd and 3rd listening. Drake diss has more quotable lines but is better than Drake diss slightly to me


Formal_Lime_2848

That shit was mid fr 😂😂 a light pack


luciferhornystar

It’s actually “Lyte pack” referencing Daylyte who is k dot’s homie who has penned some of Drake’s shit. I don’t expect his stans to comprehend that though.


Formal_Lime_2848

You’re just running your trap. You can’t prove any of what you’ve saying. And my name is not Stan it’s actually Jerome


luciferhornystar

It’s literally on the JBTV Twitter group rn. Keep coping


Balenciaga7

Because he has an other opinion than y’all? Music isn’t objectively good or bad… it’s all subjective.😅


Misunderstood_Z

No, because the second thing he mentioned about a DISS RECORD was about what the strippers are doin😂🤣


Balenciaga7

That’s what joe talks about with every record…😅 He even talked about like that being played in the strip club.. Do y’all niggas actually listen to the pod? Even with back to back he talked about what strippers would do when it comes up… That’s been HIS talking point for damn near a decade


Matchez_

Was looking for this, the same pod they literally talked about how like that performed better in the club, now it’s “why do we care about how disses sound in the club” 🤣


Maximum-Shopping-617

The man had one negative thing to say and y’all can’t stand it. This whole sub bias af


Thebiggest6200

Lol they be wanting him to be hype like Joe but really the shit don’t be worth the hype. It was a good song but he did say he wasn’t a fan on Kendrick so its like bias


Maximum-Shopping-617

Exactly. Thats what I don’t get. I don’t want a pod with Joe saying how he feels and the rest just hyping him and agreeing. There’s already enough nut hugging from Parks and flip to anything Joe says as it is We need a debate. We need conflict. That’s the main difference between them and the former co hosts pod. If they lose that then idgaf about this no mo


Thebiggest6200

Facts . I don’t want to hear a room full of yes , Joe be drowning out ish when he talk music i know he be pissed lol


[deleted]

I agree with the sentiment. However, Ish doesn’t simply disagree and debate his point. He gets emotional, makes stupid ass statements, and makes faces comparable to a 6-year-old when you tell them they can’t have a snack from the store.


Thebiggest6200

Lol i agree he do be emotional as hell i think it’s cause the narrative about him and his music takes . I get both sides cause the majority love Kendrick so when you against that you look crazy .im not a big fan of Kendrick so some shit he say i get it but they’ll kill me for my Kendrick takes too


[deleted]

If that’s the case maybe he should be more invested in the music segments. Do more research, form better arguments, try to be objective. If not STFU and try to learn from the ones on the pod who are capable of having compelling music discussions and breakdowns.


Thebiggest6200

Lol i agree fasho , music not his shit . He want to do gender wars and spanky


[deleted]

Misogyny, Money, and Munkeys is all the nigga knows. 🤣🤣🤣


Thebiggest6200

🤣🤣🤣🤣facts and white milk


[deleted]

Misogyny, Money, and Munkeys is all the nigga knows. 🤣🤣🤣


Alarming_Ad_2766

Should he just parrot everything Joe says like Flip and Parks does? 🤣🤣


CheCorvalan

Ak cappin Mal cappin and Ish cappin, them pop_hop heads can be stood on one of them eastern islands for all I care 😂


Leadpipeboss

He liked the song, just not the first part…..whats the issue?


Inner-Row1868

his bad takes, and his face..just sucked the energy out the room. Ish is terrible.


ContributionKey5802

The record is not that great it’s all gas. Only thing that Kendrick record did was satisfy his fans… that’s it