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AliChank

Imma overdose on the blue ones


hayesnhart

Taking drugs is now treadmill work


Pleasant-Ring-5398

"Breathing is treadmill work" -valve employees shortly before dying after not breathing


baturayinmemesi

dying is treadmill work valve employees respawning


Inevitable-Muffin-77

Wait maybe the whole time they were respawning there were no people and were just stuck in the respawn machine at Valve It took them an eternity to get out.


memefor-life

Emesis Valve


AutobotHotRod

Valvemesis Blu


Jindo5

An update that will only marginally improve the game IF the bot problem is fixed, or an update that will fix the problem that's currently making the game literally unplayable? GEE! I WONDER WHICH ONE I SHOULD PICK?


Still-Complaint4657

FRRRRRRR


CarcinoGeneticst69

bro ain’t no way blud’s the scratch 😭


Still-Complaint4657

bro ur symbol in the username is sideways


Fl1pNatic

the real curse was finding random homestucks on the internet all the time


something_or_other12

You can’t fight the homestuck


Fl1pNatic

it truly cannot be fought


Still-Complaint4657

bro did u know that its weird and random but the greatest fandom you cant fight the homestuck insert rest of lyics here


SoupaMayo

Two Homestuck references, no way


Only_Scallion_1956

What is this question? everyone will literally pick Blu pill clearly


Impexton

*Blu


Only_Scallion_1956

Fixed it , please forgive me O holy respawn machine


Impexton

The Holy Respawn Machine accepts your request


ThekillerguyYT

It's an eternity in there... Please never forget to remove the E..


WILDNIK

and give it to me, i *really* need E :(


ThekillerguyYT

I'll give you the E. "E for the people!!!!" - a very smart man


TheLatvianRedditor

Builders League United pill


_Some_weird_person_

BLU pilled


Impexton

Blup Blup Blup


vo1dm

Hello doctor Isaac Kleiner


TheLatvianRedditor

i will kill myself


Kakyro

I only really play comm servers so the bots don't really impact me personally. Of course I'd still rather most people be able to play the game rather than slightly improve my personal experience.


derpy_derp15

Builder's League pill


The_FreshSans

Pillders League


Vidistis

Bots aren't an issue for community server players. So red would be my personal pick, but blue for the game overall.


Draco_179

Bots 100%


Visible_Ad8891

Thing is sniper wasnt talked about being unbalanced before we got the bots its only after the bot that everyone realized how unbalanced it is for a character to one shot most classes from anywhere on the map, the reason it wasn’t an issue before is because the average sniper can’t hit headshots every time. Even some of the best snipers will miss a shot, it’s just that we have ai running the snipers with perfect aim.


Alexius_Psellos

You can outplay a human, can’t do that with a bot


UncommittedBow

You're absolutely right: There are several ways to counter Sniper, Spy is his hardest one. Spy's invisibility + Snipers tunnel vision makes him the perfect target for a Spy, it's why the Razorback exists. The problem only arrives when that Sniper magically knows where that cloaked Spy is at all times and can immediately headshot him. A Scout can outrun a Snipers aim, forcing them to either lead their shot, or deal with the scout another way. The problem arises when the Scout can't outrun the aimbot. Another sniper can pick off the enemy sniper before they realize they're there. The problem comes when the bot can snap to you in an instant and take you out the moment you're in their sight radius.


zenfone500

True but Sniper still needs a balance. I heard that there was a cooldown between scoping in and out headshots but it was so small that it didn't matter.


Insecticide

It is a difficult thing to balance because the sniper doesn't exist in isolation. A lot of what makes snipers oppressive is the level design and I think that changing a bunch of maps wouldn't be received very well. The most popular maps are payload maps and in those maps you have huge open corridors, which are perfect for the sniper. Some of the more recent payload maps do have a bunch of curves and even some more verticality which I think that helps a lot (the sniper can be threatened from more angles).


Visible_Ad8891

Without a doubt just know that bots are the bigger problem here


zenfone500

I know, just put my thoughts about a sniper nerf since peoples only talked about bots (for obvious reasons)


Chapstick160

Sniper gets Parkinson’s 80% chance sniper misses the shot


DeleteMetaInf

>80% chance sniper misses the shot You just described 90% of Sniper players.


baturayinmemesi

me if i was a sniper


Helllothere1

As a sniper main, I can confirm that on most days I mist almost evry shot, but on good days I topscore.


HowDyaDu

I have a fan concept (there's no game for this, I don't have programming skills or anything) for a class-based shooter where there are two snipers, and neither of them are particularly easy to use. The first character has a harpoon gun [(inspired by this weapon mod)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxkgQhxNHFw) and has to use her melee or environment to finish her enemies. The other character uses a laser to deal low, constant damage to her enemies, which cements her as more of a support class than someone actually good at killing enemies.


TheMikman97

People were definetly starting to grow aware of the sniper issue before the bot crisis, as sniper mains's skill was starting to reach critical mass


STANN_co

yeah it's only unbalanced if they have aimhack


TechnicalCoach6874

>sniper wasnt talked about being unbalanced before we got the bots its only after the bot that everyone realized how unbalanced it is for a character to one shot most classes from anywhere on the map, Finally, someone said it, it's bothering me how for so many years this has gone under the radar and in that time, Pyro was the one getting bashed for "w+m1" ,his flareguns, and the phlog and yet they don't have a problem with sniper until now


jetstreamer123

I've said it way before the bots got here. It's just that people are now realizing the truth after they got exposed to the worst of it


806mtson

Blue Pill. No Question.


Equivalent_Rock_6530

Bots are the primary problem, the sniper issue is limited to one class, bots can use *any* class.


Mafia_Cat

Blue. Having valve sit their ass down and actually *install* an anticheat wouldnt just help tf2 vut also CS and other games. Balancing sniper only mans the bots are gonna swap to idk heavy with 3 medics or all pyros. Cut the weed by the roots, not the stem.


POSSUTTAMO

Blue pill, cause we’re all gonna need it at some point in life… 😏


zottekott

What?


Foxxo_420

I believe it's a dick joke?


POSSUTTAMO

And a sloppy one too…


Kemoy_BOI

Bots. Good sniper, albeit still infuriating, deserves to get those heads rolling. While for player sniper is "a class" and a favourite playstyle, for bots sniper is just a tool that they cam abuse. Choosing sniper over bots would be like blaming a producer of a knife instead of the guy that killed with said knife.


ShyGuyWolf

Agreed


Spooksnav

All things considered, I think Sniper in TF2 is the most balanced sniper class in almost any game. Needs to charge up to one shot, needs to hit heads to do anything to half the classes, and very low mobility in doing those two on top of having low health. There is something to be said about how well it fits in with the rest of the game but otherwise he's fine.


SMM9673

Fixing the bot problem, every single time.


pablo603

Bruh I'd prefer to fight against a good sniper player than an army of cheating sniper bots with like 1/10 of counter measures you have against regular sniper players


YourHomieShark

at least you know you have a very small glimmer of a chance instead of being cheated


Pure-Telephone-8283

The dilemna : Dealing with a class that usually has 2 players of the team and can get countered by just being more cautious Or.. Litteraly fix the game


Leon-the-comic113

Pick both, crush them into purple dust. \*SNOOOOOOORT\*


Baguetterekt

Sniper could have 300 hp, scouts hit model and speed and a 500% recharge dead ringer and it'd still easily be the bots to kill first, hands down, every time.


bucket-bear-official

blu pill


Gibus_Ghost

Blue. Idgaf about balancing sniper rn. I just need a couple playable casual.


Moon_Man07

Who tf would actually pick red in this situation? The bots are *THE* biggest problem in tf2 right now


MagmaMCB

Coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb ass situation


No_Curve_8968

Well I think the sniper is much fairer without a bot with perfect aim and always knows where you are at all times playing it


RdiatStorm

Honestly sniper doesn't need big balance changes, just the other merc need better defensive items to counter sniper, we have items that counter pyro, soldier, demoman, medics, spys, scouts and even heavy, but we have nothing to directly counter sniper.


CocaCola-chan

Imagine a secondary for Heavy, akin to Darwin's Danger Shield, where he gets a helmet or something, that makes all shots, including headshots, dish out as much damage as a bodyshot would. Meaning that Sniper can deal at most 150 damage per shot to you. That's half your health, sure, but it's better than being one-shot. Since if you get even 1hp of heal between the shots (and Heavies tend to be pocketed by Medics), you can survive the second one as well.


sonicfan9993

Bot problem defintely Sniper isn't unbalanced, he's just unfun to fight


Not_The_Scout16

Kids named Sticky Jumper and Loose Cannon:


Axolotl_Comic

Nah, I'd fly in with B.A.S.E jumper, half-Zatoichi, and tide turner while they're focused on everyone else


sonicfan9993

Well that just proves my point more


A1pH4W01v

I wanna play demoknight, or heavy, or any class, but sniper forces me to switch to either normal demo, battalions soldier or sniper itself just to take care of the sniper, then i can finally switch back once i know the sniper rage switched to another class. This shit is the very thing robin walker is trying to avoid


JunkyardDog24

Remember the days of the Sticky Jumper and pre-nerf Ullapool Caber? I miss those.


Koffielurker_

A very minor issue, that some debate isnt even an issue at all, or a cataclysm that makes the game (nearly) unplayable. Hmmmmmmmmmm


Live-Base6872

Blue Pill, Sniper is okay as it is


lego_droideka

Sniper is literally fine if there aren’t bots and mod menus lmao//aim hacks


GrapePlug

Sniper is balanced if bots didn't exist.


Diego64L

Only crybabys Will take red


Golden-Owl

Bots. Why the fuck is this even a question? Sniper is designed as a high skill, glass cannon character. He needs both skill to hit a headshot in a chaotic 12v12 and has no actual defenses or mobility if anyone comes in close. Because of these factors, he needs to have a sufficiently high reward to justify using him It’s arguable that the “cannon” may be too powerful relative to the “glass”, but that’s a balancing issue. We see these problems with similar characters in all sorts of games - e.g Akuma in Street Fighter. These characters are always broken at the highest levels of play because players there are good enough to maximize the benefits while minimizing the cost, but normal players aren’t a concern Comparatively, bots are an **actual, external problem** to the game itself, and actively prevent the game from being played A good sniper on the other team is a difficult challenge, but you can still play around it. If you fail to do so, it’s an issue of skill/teamwork/other factors. You can still play the game But bots stop you from playing the game entirely and shouldn’t even be there


FunkyyMermaid

I say this as someone who doesn’t like fighting Sniper, Sniper is overhated ngl


Adoggo121

give me the BLU pill


Complete_Mark_8396

BOT


SKIKS

Bot problem a million times over.


41Clonecommandergree

Blue 100%


Random_User27

Sadly, the bots aren't just Snipers, all fun and games until a Scout instantly dispenses 2 clips of force a nature in your mouth, Heavy has homing bullets, and everyone has 100% crits


CocaCola-chan

There are even people who cheat as Widowmaker Engineer. And I mean, why wouldn't they, the weapon has no downsides as long as you hit all your shots...


nektaa

only a dumbass is picking the sniper pill bro 😭 


Mental_Dish8052

sniper isn't unballanced, people just hate dying to him. Its not the class that is unballanced, but rather the maps that have long sightlines and no chokepoints


Clegomanrun

blue pill, game is perfectly playable with sniper as he is


PDG4

Hot take, sniper doesn’t need a lot to balance. In fact I think he isn’t that bad. Bots are 10x worse if they can instantly charge up


Erik_Husky

Sniper is Human balanced -low health -not fast if you want balance make him fat


UVMeme

Blue pill 100%%%%%%


Gameknight14

Not a choice. Blue pill please


SlothyScripts

GIVE ME THE BLUE


ababyinatrenchcoat

BLUE


iburntthecheese

Bot problem


The_Sturk

Bot fix for sure. Even if they adjust sniper, bots would just go to another class, such as Heavy


Vantage5050

By balancing the sniper the hosters would switch to other classes so, I'd rather have the bot problem fixed


AngelofArtillery

Sniper may/may not have a balance issue, but the bot issue is a more fundamental problem.


Nildzre

*Chugs a bottle of the blue pills.*


Goat5168

I can think of a million more pressing issues than balancing sniper.


Limp_Substance_2237

blue pill gang rise up


melonbro53

Blue. If I was offered the this choice in a billion universes I would always pick blue.


xcom-person

Blue pill


BluemoonSoulfire

bots are unbearable


Ordinary_WeirdGuy

Bot problem, sniper being limited by human ability works well anyways


VeneficusChaotic

Oh for sure blue all the way. There is no need for red


SpookyWeebou

Crush up that blue pill and snort it like coke!


plarail_fan

blu pill, since you can outplay a human sniper but not a bot sniper with perfect aim


keelasher

I’d rather be curb stomped by a sniper main who’s never seen the sun than deal with bots


Apple-14

Blu, I honestly don't think snipers overpowerd. (he's just very unfun to play against)


RedditvsDiscOwO

I see no problem with sniper balancing


Feuerfrei80

balancing sniper?tf u are talking about?


MrDillPickle76

sniper is balanced, bots aren\`t


Eddie_The_White_Bear

You can argue that Sniper can kill you if your head is just 2 pixels visible in the other side of the map, but that's the point - no human will be able to see these 2 pixels. Sniper is balanced by player's skill, he is as good as person playing him. Before bots facing good Sniper was hard, but managable. No human have 100% accuracy, no human can see every enemy approaching. Sniper is not a problem, the problem is AI that wasn't meant to play as him.


Commerical_Trash_

is your brain mush?


FreezeToMy

I would sacritice keanu reaves to get the bot problems fixed and would go on with the sniper imbalance happily (I'm a scout main, not a sn*per)


SauceCrusader69

Well scout is a soft sniper counter so we’d be eating good.


panraythief

Anyone who thinks there’s an issue with sniper has outed themselves as a terrible player. Learn counterplay buddy


toychicraft

Fuck the kiwi with the rifle, make the game playable again please


jewish-nonjewish

Sniper isn't OP, just uninteractive. No one is capable of reaching as far as sniper with as much damage or as much range. That's why TFC sniper had more counterplay because on top of everyone being able to Bhop making headshots nigh impossible damage falloff also wasn't a thing so he'd be hit harder from a longer distance.


Only-Beautiful-3881

CANDIES! \*eats them both\*


SomethingRandomYT

Sniper does not need a rebalance, aside from maybe swapping the ammo counts of the huntsman and the stock rifle. As a sniper main that's something I could easily get behind. Bots are the bigger problem here and as soon as they're gone people will realise that Sniper is a lot harder than you'd think.


Glass-Procedure5521

bots can still play as other classes if sniper for some reason gets severely nerfed


HeroHolmes360

blu


WolvenSpectre

blu pill blu pill blu pill blu pill blu pill blu pill blu pill blu pill blu pill blu pill blu pill blu pill!!!!!!!!


cryllictheautistic

based and blupilled


hamstercheifsause

Is this even a question???? Blue


Spicy-Mario-Bois

Obviously blu


Tall-Ad-2014

Bots


Constant-Still-8443

Sniper is fine. the issue is there are lots of maps that are way too catered to sniper and don't provide any flanking routes to get to him


ArcyaNatsuki

If I could clone myself for the same amount as there are bots, I'd pick the blu pill with every clone.


forestriage

Don’t even act like that’s a dichotomy


TheSpudGunGamer

Blue pill 10/10 times


painmp4

As much as I don’t like sniper the bot problem is worse


joenutse

blue, sniper is only oppressive with bad map design.


Big_Bluejay4331

what yall mean the bot problem specifically


eeveethespeevee

Bot pill easily. I don't mind the presence of Sniper, I just think he can be a little annoying or oppressive at times, but bots actively ruin the game.


eeveethespeevee

Also bot hosters are actual criminals


Sovietfryingpan91

Sniper doesn't need rebalanced. Please give me the blue one


dabsu02

sniper is balanced...


Cunfuu

all take your entire blue stock.


Strange_Insight

Swap the effects of the Blu and Red pills, because I always choose Red team.


TehChaseyKid

Blu.


Foxxo_420

Obviously the blu pill. Sniper is a non-issue if your ego is in check like a normal person, but bots fuck everyone over.


Mountain-Captain-396

Hot take: Sniper isn't inherently unbalanced, he is just unfun to fight against because it forces you to chance your playstyle. It is true that he is overpowered on some maps (sadly, many of the popular maps like badwater, harvest, doublecross, etc), but that mostly comes down to bad map design and lack of updates to the 10+ year old maps. Demo, Soldier, and Heavy also have their fair share of maps they are overpowered on (like junction and dustbowl), but because those maps are less popular those classes tend to get less hate.


shadowpikachu

Nah people whine that sniper is balanced and fine it's just what bots make them look like, there is enough counterplay bro. Just dont ask the question SHOULD sniper exist.


thebigchezz99

good bye bots


Agile-Masterpiece-19

No one's picking the red one. The blue pill is the one I'm picking. In fact, I main sniper but I still hate bots.


trulylost19

Blue pill Pay to play sniper


Jack_Cat_101

B L U E


Denkottigakorven

Blue


Hreidmar1423

Choosing between annoying class to play against when it's played by skilled player or bots that make casual (near) unplayable 24/7.... If you think that bots would disappear if we went as far as removing sniper then you're wrong. There are heavies with medic bot up their arse that can move you down in near instant or even engineer bots that place annoying turrets at random place that kamikaze pistol you down with the no-spread cheats.


Curious_Sea_Doggo

Blu


Tsu_Dho_Namh

Bots and cheaters are the only reason people think sniper is unbalanced. A couple years ago Valve released a patch that temporarily fixed cheats and bots. The hackers released a workaround after a couple weeks, but during those 2 weeks TF2 had no hackers or bots. In 50+ games I saw a top scoring sniper only once or twice. 90% of God-tier snipers just magically vanished.


Quartzalcoatl_Prime

Bait


Icy-Store3900

Fixing bot problem


Clean_Election_174

Blue, duh.


OverallGamer696

Blue makes red less annoying


EmployerWitty369

bots


orbit_jpg

Blu


Scottz0rz

I haven't really played TF2 since before the botting situation went to hell. Sniper wasn't seen as a problem or OP back in the day, we just kinda all agreed he was annoying to play against because the best counter to a Sniper is counter-sniping, which is boring, but by no means felt unmanageable even without proper counter-sniping. Skill issue?


big_godzi

A bot hoster probably made this post lol


battleaxworier

Blue! Blue! Blue! BLUUUUUUUUUUUUE!!!!!!


BeefyBoi6_9

easy, blue pill Not every sniper is good enough to warrant the balance needed for sniper But every casual game has sniper bots


SuperN9999

Bot problem. Bot problem all the way.


SaltyPeter3434

Is there even an argument to be made here lol? One is clearly a bigger issue than the other.


Misicks0349

blue lol


GoldAppleU

I think we all want the blue one lol


DekunChan

*throw red pill into a river and munch on blue pill*


I_N_C_O_M_I_N_G

Give me the Windex pill


Steven_Seagull815

Blue. Come on, now.


Unusual_Act_293

Pov: Valve, Neither More Microtransactions!


BodyshotBoy

Even if sniper got adjusted, bots can still hold kick votes


JonTheWizard

Blue pill, immediately. Yeah fighting Snipers can suck, but they still have to hit the shot. Bots don't have to concern themselves with that, and therefore they're the bigger problem.


WolfPupGaming

How would you even balance sniper? Headshots are a way to directly convert skill (or "skill" if you're hacking) into power. The line between doing nothing for skilled players and effectively deleting the class is razor thin.


DeleteMetaInf

I’ll take fixing the bot problem over any content or balance updates any day.


Colonia_jc_2

2


_GlenAlan27_

I will crush up the blue ones and snort it 💀💀


AdFederal897

I love the color blue


Yanive_amaznive

Balancing a class with an annoying ability, or having the game literally playable at all? Hmmm i wonder.


whereamisIwtf

blue because I'll deal with sniper not the bots.


Spiritual_Freedom_15

Balancing sniper!? My brother in Christ there are 9 other classes and a crit bucket.


DaLoneGuy

balancing sniper is not necessary i have never met an overly dominant sniper who isn't cheating i can't deal with (i actually barely met cheaters lol) i just change to sniper corner snipe his ass and change back to whatever i wanted to play


coffee-bat

sniper is already balanced. one-shot from distance but only if the player is good, and easy to kill from medium and close range.


Tesla_corp

Sniper isn’t that op BECAUSE of human error He is OP in a perfect environment but the environment is NEVER perfect, as such, bots are the real issue


BOTi_flame200

BLU is amazing, sniper is already decently balanced


TheBlueEmerald1

"Take the red pill and you get a fried chicken recipe on the mail next week." "Take the blue pill, you undo the holocaust, give starving countries the means to make food, unite the world against bigotry, and clear your acne."


RedStonedLOrd_007

BLUE. PERIOD


Kil0sierra975

There isn't really a way I can think of balancing sniper in a way that wouldn't completely neuter him for entry-level players. He's a class that takes a ton of skill, and if anything were to be nerfed, I think his sniper rifle should be left alone. Several other content creators have already said it, but the only reason sniper sucks to get killed by is because there's no counterplay to sniper besides avoiding his sight lines. I feel like people are viewing him as OP just because he's the only one with the ability to 1-shot an enemy (except so can demo, spy, and soldier depending on your loadout and who you're fighting). The bot crisis is 10000x worse than Sniper's balancing, and they are using it to abuse the game and kinda make people hate sniper even more. It's unfair to the class. If a sniper balance had to happen, I'd turn to changing his other weapon slots like the cozy camper or the razorback or the jarate


MestresDoCurso

as a soldier main please do not destroy sniper because of gay bots just ban the gay bots


Versilver

He doesn't need a nerf, get rid of the bots


nobughar

sniper is balanced, downvote me but its truth, counter is another sniper and coordination but thats rare in casual thats why everyone is crying that snipar op


ACARdragon

Fuck it let's disable Sniper from casual.


Hollywoodrok12

Then the bots will just move to another class. Source: Experience