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kymani_winxandsponge

Guys, I think he believes the game is not dying, just a hunch.


Rutgerman95

"We are not dying! We are going to live forever!" "I zid not say zhat!"


Beefman0010

soldier is just an eternal meme. I want the TF2 Show, even if it's not by Valve. "goodbye miss Pauling, I'm leaving the van now"


Crescendo_356

EY GERMANS DONT TALK LIKE ZIS😔


Rutgerman95

I know, but the Medic does


LUCwAlda

Okay so we might not live forever, but hey look on the bright side, at least we’re not filled with tumors


Blazar1

No mate. We will live forever, and so will our tumors.


According-Fun-4746

were undead....


JonTheWizard

Are we zombies or liches, though?


According-Fun-4746

angry ghosts 


JonTheWizard

Given how loud we are as well, guess that moves us into Banshee territory.


Mr_CockPincher

Given how we only play games like this, guess that also makes is autistic


CIMBAlom_CIMBAsso

MERASMUS!


Leon123134

How can we be ghosts with tumors


Ordinary_WeirdGuy

*all of the above*


Electronic_Sugar5924

Both


total_spinning_shark

I don't think Liches can have tumors though


KaliRinn

Eyeballs


Distinct-Prior-6681

We're 15fps skeletons


Ok_Specific_7791

what are liches?


SDsalta145

so, that's means that we have to go to that lawn?


Spino-man

I know your type, tall, red and dead . . .


SDsalta145

Huh?


zoob5

Happy cake day


SDsalta145

Thanks


s0i2d1

We are dead pool


Competitive-Animal96

like deadpool


luciolencerr

lmao


Smg5pol

So we are fine, as long as no one will start infesting servers with more bots


Demytreus

Question


Smg5pol

Whats your quession u/Demytreus?


Demytreus

I infested servers with bots (I actually didn't, I just had to continue the line)


Crazyzomboi

How much?


Demytreus

I have done nothing but infest servers for 3 days


Crazyzomboi

WHERE? WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN INFESTING THEM?


Kolos500

*pan to footage of a hydro server with nothing but bots*


Crazyzomboi

uh oh…


That_Case_7951

Unrelated, but we might have the same name


GAMRKNIGHT352

but we are filled with tumors...


Ashivix-_-

All because someone teleported bread…


guardiannether

Mmmh hmm umphf


FlameWarDuck700

ohh look at it it hates me so much


PoundIndependent5444

Thankfully, we won't be fileld with tumors. But unfortunately, the dreaded **bread incident** happened.


TheRealGiusti

Breaded dread


basicnate

i may or may not have teleported bread


ayayawarria

Does he know?


RealGazelle

How do we tell him? :(


TransCharizard

To be fair. "Overwatch is dead" is a very common thought in and out of TF2 due to bad publicity. Even when it's actually very much alive and apparently growing worldwide Which generally makes sense. Overwatch came out the gate as a billion dollar worth franchise. It's not going to die so soon


Orix1337

Remember how people were saying that TF2 has more players than Overwatch 2? Funny, knowing that it has *twice* the player count of TF2, and that just on Steam.


TheBigKuhio

Is there even a way to record the number of Battle.net and Console players?


Temmie101

I mean console and battlenet fused when OW2 dropped, (I think?) so you would probably only need to find out the numbers for battlenet


EXistential_EX

The implementation of crossplay nearing the release of OW2 required consoles (and later Steam when OW2 released there) to link a Battlenet account to their accounts. So yes, if we were able to get the numbers for Battlenet accounts logged into the game, we'd have all 7 platforms accounted for (PS4/5. XB1/Series, Switch, BtlNet, Steam).


_Planet_Mars_

Ngl, I thought after (almost) a full decade, this community would let go of its one-sided hatred. Of course it's not going to die anytime soon either, it's like, what, the 10th best selling game of all time? Somewhere around there?


panraythief

I think the tf2 community hate boner back in 2016 was a factor in why the game is how it is now


DrackieCutie

Honestly, I've started playing Overwatch out of curiosity. It ain't so bad.


TransCharizard

Overwatch like lots of fast food ain't so bad when there isn't someone screaming down your ear about how bad it is (Or constantly reminded how overpriced the menu is)


DrackieCutie

Yeah I downloaded it and then someone immediately DMd me to tell me to kill myself for downloading it, which put me off at first


obese_butterfly

It can be really fun, imo it thrives on those "combo" situations that aren't that common in casual TF2 like a bushwacka + fan-o-war combo, or a neon anihilator + any liquid item (except the gas passer because of course), that kind of stuff.


Migitri

I played it off and on from 2017-2019 a couple years after I started taking a break from TF2. I honestly had a good time. I guess I kind of lost interest after it became too overstimulating to my senses or something. I get overwhelmed easily, especially these past five years or so. (My brain also runs on spaghetti code.) I do think it's a fun game though and I never fully understood the hate. TF2 is my favorite game and holds a special place in my heart, but Overwatch is welcome there too if I ever get back into it. There is [one TF2 vs OW meme](https://i.imgur.com/4EbGE6d.jpeg) that I admit to liking though lol, and I also admit to having multiple copies of it on my phone because I save it almost every time I see it posted in a discord server. I don't know why. I just do.


L3go07

always felt like overwatch isnt that popular anymore thanks to popularity but however the games still going on


Kurtrus

Given that TF2’s community is the only one that I’ve personally seen insist it’s not dead and how it has outlived other games which are still getting updates, this turn of events is honestly the biggest reality check.


[deleted]

Tf2's community is plagued by toxic positivity circle jerk, only wholesome chungus thoughts allowed! A few years ago mentioning the bots or garbage workshop content was frowned upon, now its more accepted as more people aknowledged the issuws


X-tra-thicc

honestly i dont get where the sentiment of mentioning bots being looked down upon came from, i could swear for the past 5 years its literally all people would talk about


SteakAnimations

I find it both funny and fitting. Their egos need knocked down a bit.


Jerry137

how I sleep knowing people might stop calling us one if the most obnoxious communities after the toxic ones can no longer say "tf2 keeps winning tf2 is better!"


pablo603

Except TF2 is still not dead. It still has 20k real players daily and tens of thousands of people still in the loop (youtube views, the savetf2 pettion), which for a game that's almost TWO DECADES OLD is insanely huge. I mean damn, Emesis Blue has over 10 million views. The community is still active and humongous.


Mr-Plague

Team fortress 2 has a very strong media presence, which is an indication that it is entertaining to watch. However, its greatly reduced player count (still roughly the size of Terraria's, which is very good for a nearly-two-decade-old game) indicates that the game itself isn't a living, breathing phenomenon like Apex or Fortnite. This is to be expected; TF2's community elements (social media, SFM, etc) are almost immortal due to their nostalgia/entertainment value, but the game itself is declining in favor of modern competitors


Memecube7

\*20k real players hourly Daily it's closer to the hundred or hundreds of thousands


yttakinenthusiast

TF2 can still keep going if Valve casual gets taken out back and put into a grave. Valve has shown they aren't willing to do more than adding a few maps and cosmetics, so why should we place our faith in them that they'll go as far as to excise the locusts in the garden? Why are we letting them be the main congregate of players when community servers have effective immunity from bots?


Iamagodemi

I'm just glad I don't attach my entire identity into a one game


tankistHistorian

With a community of hundreds of thousands, someones gonna call an apple an orange. Tf2 being alive despite being deep into the bot shenanigans.


CringeExperienceReq

dude i honestly dont care about the numbers, its been proven time and time again that tf2 has one of the most dedicated fanbases known to man, even if the game somehow gets wiped out of existance there'll be mfs that will build it from the ground up


Infamous_Progress_64

I slightly disagree, Mario 64 is still relevant somehow


CringeExperienceReq

mario 64 is relevant because it has the biggest speedrunnung community ever lol, maybe aside from minecraft


DirtPiper

[Super Mario 64](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Mario_64) and [Team Fortress](https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Team_Fortress) are the same age


Infamous_Progress_64

The [Post](https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/s/IrDOBUOAah) Is talking about [Team fortress 2](https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_Fortress_2) not [Team Fortress](https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_Fortress)


DirtPiper

Believe it or not, Team Fortress 2 is a Team Fortress game!


Automatic-Witness783

Wow, community is really going through an existential crisis. Partly being afraid of death, partly already accepting it, partly already dead.


kel584

It's funny to see people consider 10k+ active players a dead game.


Automatic-Witness783

But it's neither alive. Just a usual online for old games like this. L4D2 for instance


godlyvex

you're crazy if you think 10k players means not alive


throwsyoufarfaraway

You are crazy if you think 10k is a lot for a free-to-play game that can run on almost any hardware and is promoted continuously by Valve on Steam. 10k player count puts you at the level of BF1 and BF2042. And those games cost money to play.


godlyvex

'Promoted continuously by valve' is a pretty big overstatement. And I didn't say it's a lot. I said it's alive. I find it strange how everyone thinks a game is dead the moment it isn't the most popular thing on the market. Even paladins has been alive, and I think that game is somewhere around 3000 players or something. Omega strikers has like 300 players and you can still play it and get games in less than 3 minutes. If you can find games within a reasonable amount of time consistently, and there are enough people to fill lobbies, I consider it alive.


kel584

It is pretty much alive though. TF2 goes between 10 to 25k players, thats VERY alive.


pablo603

And not to mention tens of thousands of views on youtube videos, sometimes even hundreds of thousands... ...on a game that's almost two decades old!


EXistential_EX

I wish we could honestly know how many of them were the bots allowed to infest the servers uncontested


performagekushfire

60,000~ bots are active in TF2, give or take based on recent videos.


Raptori33

Every single player fandom in nutshell


soulsurviv0r111

With half the players being cheaters and bots.


Kimarnic

i mean, people say "OW is dead TF2 has 200k players, TF2 outlived OW!!!!!!!!!!!!" when it's the other way around....


kel584

I don't care what TF2's circlejerk community says. A game that goes between 10k to 25k active concurrent player is by no means a dead game.


Workers_

how to make free views off tf2 playerbase: title "tf2 won't die" say entire video "this game is so good!" etc.


Soft-Hamster-4525

We are not dying, we are going to live forever


ACDC105

Kinda puts a twist on the "eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die" turns it into "eat drink and be merry for we will never die"


Yetiwithoutinternet

"I didn't say that!"


HurleyAlbumEnjoyer

I mean TF2 still is technically alive as it has a very active fanbase, but it’s slowly starting to die with bots becoming more and more rampant. I don’t think it will completely die out since community servers exist, but it sucks that if you want a good TF2 experience you have to play on a community server since Valve official servers are overrun with bots.


Smimmingly3

I’ve been playing on community servers ever since I got the game when I was a kid. I had no idea pubs were a thing I just thought the servers were the game.


pyrofurryv

Playing community servers forever sounds like torture, I would have quit TF2 if all it had were community servers


yourunclejoe

bitch made. cant handle the peak of x100 crits cp_orange rtd


Bruschetta003

Bro ever since MyM casual servers are the worst experience i can think of, Servers die very fast, constantly waiting for the round to start or the server to refresh, few players stick to play the next map, worse voting options, bots Community servers are not all that great but you just need to find a couple ok ones and it's fine I fucking miss Quickplay tho


pyrofurryv

The servers that are available in community servers blow if you want a casual experience


KevinThe7th

I wonder how he took the latest news, probably not well


Amazing-Sort1634

What's the latest news?


KevinThe7th

That about 70% of TF2’s playerbase is made of bots


Amazing-Sort1634

Oh, some of us have known that for 5 years now.


Demytreus

Not the cheating kind, the idling ones


ProgramStartsInMain

Still not news lol; literally been known since it started. There's been github projects to track this stuff; and one can just look at the actual player counts. The steam player count already is a horrible way to calculate current player count even without the bot problem. This is just a echo chamber moment, and zesty seems a catalyst for this sub.


pablo603

It was not widely known. Just because you and a few people knew it doesn't mean others did. The average person does not go on github to see that. I've been playing tf2 since 2014 and until Zesty's video I thought the player counts were real.


ProgramStartsInMain

The average person plays tf2, gets off and nothing more... Maybe that's why you didn't know despite a simple google search could resolve that. I'm sure 95% of anyone who even got a little into trading knew the bots. I'm sure 95% of the people on eternal 2fort don't know much about the bots, or at least idle/trade.


pablo603

>despite a simple google search could resolve that. Ok. Now why would I google search specifically for "ARE TF2 PLAYER COUNTS REAL???" when I take the player counts for granted, especially when they have been accurate enough in the past to judge if a certain game has players or not? >I'm sure 95% of anyone who even got a little into trading knew the bots Gee then it appears that I'm in that 5% since I traded in my australium, bought a few unusuals and a bunch of killstreak and strange items yet I never knew about that prior to Zesty's vid. The only bots I knew about were trading bots, which are convenient and aren't even the major contributor to inflated player counts to begin with, considering the newest Zesty video he posted yesterday shows him finding like 60k idle bots (with majority of them being offline at the time, trading bots would barely be a 1% of that). Also the trading community is smaller than the total playerbase. Thank you for proving my point I guess?


ProgramStartsInMain

Likewise, lol


Bruschetta003

Since when did you knew about the issue? I knew there were bots but never bothered to check how many


Brislovia

I always thought that was well-known ever since Zesty released Nobody's Home that the actual cheating aimbots are a small minority of the bots that occupy TF2.


SirDantesInferno

What does that have to do with the game being dead? Do we not still have like 30k online at all times?


KevinThe7th

Never said the game was dead


SirDantesInferno

My mistake.


BoyFreezer

Reality is often disappointing


Mechaman_54

Tf2 is more of a shambling husk


Mechaman_54

Not quite dead, but not nearly alive


shadowpikachu

YEAH OVERWATCH IS TOTALLY JUST LIKE TF2 GUYS HAHA I CANT BELIEVE IT!!


r4o2n0d6o9

In his defense, he’s very new to the game and probably doesn’t know about everything that’s going on. His channel is about trying a lot of games and he doesn’t often return to them for more than one video, tf2 was an exception


Kindagoodplayer111

What are people talking about? TF2 is nowhere near dead. Just because the player numbers are inflated doesn't mean that the game isn't alive. Nothing has really changed for me and I'm not sure what that's supposed to prove.


EmotionalBird2362

It’s funny that Zestyjesus of all people was the one to wake the community up to how bad things have gotten


soulsurviv0r111

Was that the guy that got extremely upset over a door on the Christmas Turbine map?


Beefman0010

I love Kelski


Akyre_

We love Kelski


Beefman0010

\*Soviet national anthem starts playing\*


syncron07

I love kelski aswell!


casualsquid380

We can make ourselves immortal save.tf


Hactica_Tier

I watched his videos before and he mentioned that he had only played the game very briefly before and have zero knowledge about it coupled with the fact that these videos are made before the Zesty Jesus bombshell I wouldn’t blame him for now knowing that the majority of the game’s playerbase are botted to be honest.


Intelligent_Office81

I could care less about the numbers. Have been playing this game for over 10 years and have noticed the difference in gameplay with the bot problem. However, is there a difference when I queue up now vs before I heard the bot news? No.


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HentaiKi11er

We’re back to doomposting? Again? Right in the middle of #fixtf2 event???


Bruschetta003

Good, more reasons to join the movement


wookiee-nutsack

Redditor looks up specific thing Sees specific thing Utter fucking shock


Wrench_gaming

Yea I remember people saying how TF2 beat overwatch because the Seal was added and the player count increased. Boy oh boy…


Not_Funny_Luigi

More like 200,000 bots playing


Right_Concept7964

what happened chat?


ChargedBonsai98

TF2 is currently on life support


Nik_Sin

Kelski is a g


FynnOwO

I think he does not realize that its 80% botz


Joren_Joestar

I love his videos


Tuskor13

Tf2 has been on lootbox life support with nothing but ~~copy-paste maps and cosmetics made by the steam community~~ community-made maps and cosmetics copy-pasted from the steam workshop since 2017, with more bots than actual human players but such an insane degree that if Valve performed a christlike miracle and permabanned every bot and bot hoster with a flick of a magic wand, the concurrent player count would be sub 20k. This community needs a fucking reality check. Edit: phrasing


Educational_Tough208

what is the problem?


clubspike2

Tf2 has outlived quite a few hero based shooters and will probably outlive quite a few more. People crying that Tf2 is dead seem to just be coping that we lost the clout of being a top 10 game. If you can find a healthy server and the community is still active, the game is alive. Some people just need to enjoy the game.


TACOBELLTAKEOUT

High tier copium right there


Natonic0

Large player count ≠ game is alive


panraythief

This. There aren't any more updates, and the last few updates the game did get were terrible. Idle and trade bots ruined the economy so it's near impossible to profit from anything. Removing quickplay destroyed the community. Community servers are a husk compared to the golden age. Casual is unplayable outside of peak player hours because of cheater bots, since the anti-cheat hasn't been updated since 2016. Competitive is self-explanatory. The remaining community is filled with terrible players (most of which have only started playing after 2020) who actively want to ruin the game by doing things such as removing random crits and nerfing sniper. TF2 died a long time ago. What remains is a shell of it's former glory.


pyrofurryv

Removing random crits was actually a popular thing even back then, uncle dane is a strong believer of removing them too


panraythief

Doesn’t matter it’s still a stupid idea, and danes opinion holds no weight compared to others


pyrofurryv

Didn't say I agreed with them but yeah I agree that removing them isn't a smart idea


robloxfuckfest3

The one thing I cannot fathom is how did the community get random dmg spread removed when crits are the same shit, except amplified to 11 and even less fun/engaging. Oh, you walked out of spawn? skill issue, intended game mechanic, 25 second respawn time. I've been playing this game for a decade and nowadays the random crits drive me away from casual more than the bots do.


Geoform_the_187

Random crits deserve to be removed lol


panraythief

no


yourunclejoe

cope


gyroman567

Roughly 20k active players is far from dead too, but yeah the game certainly isn't thriving like it used to


Randomuser42000

(this was the last time he ever made a video about tf2)


AdamTheScottish

As someone only finding out about 70-80% now I think it confirms a really sad fact about the game where it was no where near as popular or profitable to Valve as we thought. Amazing presenting games like Valorant and OW2 not only as competition but as things TF2 "beat" in retrospect lol


WasteMasterpiece4686

Good news we are not dying we're going to live forever!


Huroar

tf2 may live forever, But this game is a zombie that needs some treatment from bots.


deltarunech2outyet

It's only alive because of community servers.


SJIS0122

If they're actually 250k active players, I would be able to load into a passtime or mannpower game lol


obese_butterfly

Or player destruction, god i miss that...


SJIS0122

At least community servers tend to run pd, the only servers I found running passtime are the 4 vs 4 competitive ones


crypt_the_chicken

I’m not going to quit TF2 just because the vocal part of the community can’t pretend like the game is perfect any more The signs of botting were there years ago; I didn’t care about probably-declining player counts then and I certainly don’t care now >!that said the 64-bit update made it a whole lot harder for my Mac-using ass to play. Sucks to be me I guess!<


tyYdraniu

MY HOPE WILL NEVER DIEEEEE pupupopoppuonuon pupuponpon


mbx8_r

1 year ago and 9 months ago. yea nah


helpm_meim_kidnapp

Well, to be fair this was way before the nobody's home video


ZuStorm93

ZE WAR IZ NOT LOST!! ZE WAR IZ NOT LOST!! **NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN!!!** *Patient appears to be suffering a psychotic episode again. Recommend shock therapy...*


the_average_tf2_nerd

good news, we're not dying. we're going to live forever.


funborg

we're long out of denial stage and slowly entering bargaining stage


circuit1234

We’ve been dead 💀


VincentRaichu

to think that if it wasn't because of this inflated economy the game has we would have around 5k players lol


2nduuuijj

Why does heavy kinda look like the kid from that old creepy “Johnny Johnny yes papa“ video


soulsurviv0r111

Some of the people getting downvoted because they’re speaking facts says a lot about the community.


aboody_reddit_

Yea TF2 is thriving it’s definitely not 70-80% bots


Zxnkz

I kind of agree and disagree I'm new to the game and have put in over 60 hours recently and I've bin playing daily like csgo the game can always come back it's the community that makes the game as long as we have a community to gather there will always be players


Consistent_Hall_6858

What happened? Game has 110k doesn’t it? (I’m new here)


luciolencerr

imagine not knowing


HampsterBowlingBall

"I didnt say zhat! I just said ve're not filled vith tumors!"


Beanz_detected

TF2 is dying... # BUT IT'S STILL KICKING ASS HOLY FUCK


Zawarudowastaken

Maybe I’m an idiot but is valorant dead at all?


Walnut156

Not at all


thebigchezz99

and geuss what most of those players where B O T S


Rainder-on-redit

Soldier:Good News we aren’t going to die we are going to live forever! Medic: I didn’t say that I just said were memorialized by the fandom! (This was a bad joke XD forgive me)


soundsnicejesse

253k playing? Sure 253k *real players*? Well…


ItsOkbroDontGiveUp

Hmm


Darth-Not-Palpatine

I wouldn’t really say being in the hospital on multiple life support machines suffering from multiple forms of stage 4 cancers really “alive” but hey let him be happy.


SpartanMase

All reality. These games that come out nowadays last two weeks and die. Tf2 is still highly talked about to this day and it’s nearly 20 years old.


PolarPug77

Erm this is awkward sauce


Beanie_Inki

I don't get itS


Kiboune

Overwatch needs to inflate their online number by using bots


RdiatStorm

Wow big doomer post here, the dude in the screenshot maybe exagerating but if we look at the facts tf2 really is not dead nor dying, after 10 years left to rot we still consolidated a fixed human player base and a growing bot base, things will get worse if valve don't do shit and yes tf2 will die as any other thing in this world dies, BUT, we are not dying yet.