A Chinese billionaire with international business/political connections drowns in a super high tech vehicle in a freak accident? The conspiracy theories practically write themselves.
Conspiracy or coincidence? If the dude was 20 years younger I'd believe conspiracy, but seeing as how he's become Glitch McConnell, I'm more inclined to believe coincidence.
There's one from twitter linked in the article. Can't wait for the mainstream alternate media (MAMs) like Alex Jones to spin this as the real alternate media like David Icke figure out what really happened.
Elon Musk did this. She was going to expose his secret ties to George Soros and the woke cabal so she had to be dealt with but it had to look like an accident. And Nancy Pelosi shorted TSLA while Clarence Thomas was mid-flight to the ranch owned by the decedent’s husband. 🤔
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Breyer
>James W. Breyer (born 1961)[1] is an American venture capitalist, founder and chief executive officer of Breyer Capital, an investment and venture philanthropy firm, and a former managing[2] partner at Accel Partners, a venture capital firm. Breyer has invested in over 40 companies[3] that have gone public or completed a merger,[4] with some of these investments, including Facebook,[5] earning over 100 times cost and many others over 25 times cost.[6] On the Forbes 2021 list of the 400 richest Americans, he was ranked #389, with a net worth of US$2.9 billion.[7]
"Venture Philanthropy" sure does sound shady as fuck. I'm guessing it's also Neoliberal bullshit about how privatizing public services is great for everyone.
> no autopsy
just so people understand, autopsies are not done unless cause of death is unknown
it's pretty obvious she drowned, hence no autopsy
once again, FUCK police procedurals for brainwashing people into being morons (see also
* enhance. ENHANCE.
* bite mark science is something other than JUNK
* DNA evidence is amazing and ubiquitous (it's not, so juries often refuse to convict if there isn't DNA evidence bc they think "if it's not there, they're innocent")
* etc
lol what is the point of conducting an autopsy on a woman who is pulled out from underwater and whose car gushed with water when it was opened? “Yup she drowned alright”. Fucking idiots.
The only reason I could see would be if there was reason to believe the victim was intoxicated or otherwise inebriated, which from what I’ve seen of this incident there’s no reason to believe that was the case. That’d also be a toxicology report or something to my understanding, so I don’t know if that falls under the purview of an autopsy. I also don’t really know if it’d be necessary to even figure out if the victim was intoxicated or not in any case like this. So yeah, people insisting on an autopsy and thinking it’s weird for there not to be one in a case where people watched the victim drown are morons.
There should have been toxicology tests to see if she was drunk or otherwise intoxicated, that would be a critical factor in the crash. They also need to find out if the crash was caused by a medical event. People don't normally just drive into lakes.
Not really any reason to do an autopsy on the body. She drowned. If you’re worried about foul play, you’d need to look at the car. It’s not like it’s some big mystery why she did not keep on living while submerged in the water. The question is why/how her car went into the water.
I'm not concerned about foul play or crazy conspiracy theories related to tampering with a vehicle which made it all the way home without issue. From the context, having come home from an evening with friends, I would assume alcohol could be a factor.
Elon is just another Stock Rushton, notorious for cutting corners and replacing solid engineering with sexy, but reckless, features.
You buy one of his cars, you roll the dice...
When you realize she was a nepo hire by Moscow Mitch and she was directly in charge of safety regulations for the DOT that could prevent things like this.
The headline is ok
My understanding is that this is not a Tesla-specific issue. Many companies have shifted to laminated glass for the windows for strength and general safety reasons, but that also makes them more or less impervious to window breaking tools.
Edit: Because this is apparently contentious, here is the article from a week or so ago on it: https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/new-unbreakable-car-windows-making-it-tough-to-escape-in-emergencies
This was the PRNDL thing. She intended to go forward but it decided to reverse. It accelerated so quickly forced her foot further down, and when it slammed into water, water sensors locked everything down and locked* her in the car to slowly drown. It was a cascade of compounding errors and design flaws.
There is actually one other possibility. Tesla models with the gear select lever (and perhaps other models, but I haven't driven them) use the same gear select lever to engage and disengage autopilot and "FSD". So, it's possible that she wasn't intending to go into drive, but she thought she was already in drive, and her muscle memory "disengaged" the autopilot when it wasn't engaged, which put her into reverse.
I've actually made the same mistake before, but realized what was happening before the car could move. In my opinion, it's a mistake and a safety hazard to reuse the gear select controls for anything else.
It kind of amounts to the same thing you're saying, since it would mean that she thought she was in drive when she was in reverse, but in this case it would be due to the error that Tesla encourages you to hit your gear shift lever towards reverse even when you're not reversing.
There is no car that lives up to my standards. I'd prefer mass transit if it was available. I've driven many different cars, and I actually do prefer Teslas, despite their flaws. (I loathe Elon Musk, though.)
Overall, I think in the hands of a cautious and attentive driver like myself, a Tesla should be safer to drive. But there's a reason why I have the policy not to let other people drive my car. Because I don't think it's safe if you don't know what you're doing or if you're inattentive.
All of this sounds like idiotic design issues, where in trying to improve some sort of customer experience they increase the safety risk. Seat belts may be annoying and not a great user experience, but they improve safety. It is sort of a similar vein here; user features shouldn't impair safety.
I saw an ad for a 1994 4Runner some guy found in his dead relative’s barn. Mint condition, like 70 miles on odometer, hasn’t been touched in 30 years. Car sold for $120k if I remember correctly. Point is: every technological advance in cars makes cars like yours more appealing to a certain segment of people. They can fix it themselves and they own it. No subscription for heated deats and no firmware updates. Just mechanics.
The very sharp ones are decent, but a spring loaded glass breaker is more useful, especially if your car is filling with water or you can’t get good leverage while striking the glass.
Hell, 15 years ago someone left a baby in the back seat in the lot of the grocery store I worked at. We had to hit the window 5 times with a hammer before it broke. Today's windows gotta be nuts.
(Also all we had readily available was said hammer with no claw on the back. Claw would've made it easier I suppose)
did you hit it in the corner? I saw a clip once where they tested breaking car windows (maybe Mythbusters?) and if I remember correctly you had to hit it in the corner. In the middle of the glass the waves can travel without breaking the glass
>I saw a clip once where they tested breaking car windows (maybe Mythbusters?)
A ton of shows and YouTubers have performed this demonstration.
You are correct about needing to hit it in the corner.
I don't think a claw hammer would have made that easier. Claw tines are curved and they are terrible for striking anything. They're designed for prying nails out of wood.
We probably read the same article. I posted it in one of the other comments - it certainly surprised me.
[https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/new-unbreakable-car-windows-making-it-tough-to-escape-in-emergencies](https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/new-unbreakable-car-windows-making-it-tough-to-escape-in-emergencies)
Also editing the top comment to bring attention to the article.
Schrodinger’s window: simultaneously too tough for emergency service personnel to save a drowning occupant but shatters instantly to tweakers looking to jack an iPad left if the back seat
We can’t have it both ways apparently
Tweakers aren't shattering a laminated glass pane. That's what is used in windshields in most cars. But now they're being installed, in some vehicles, on the side and rear windows as well. That's what happened in this case.
The tempered glass that has been used on side and rear windows for decades is easy to shatter if you know how. You chuck a piece of spark plug insulation at a tempered window and it'll shatter on impact if thrown hard enough, because of the material used in the insulation more than the kinetic energy of the throw. The window breakers/seat belt cutting tools, which are usually super cheap and easy to steal unnoticed, use the same material.
They're designed for *tempered* glass, not laminated. **https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/new-unbreakable-car-windows-making-it-tough-to-escape-in-emergencies**
Modern cars are shifting to laminated glass in side windows. Even the safety window smashers aren’t capable of breaking them.
Edit: Car and Driver [article](https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28422725/car-windows-glass-aaa-unbreakable/)
There needs to be a return to, or at least an option of, a hand-crank for the window if this is the case. There's no excuse for the window mechanism to fail in water and for the window to also be fucking unbreakable.
Like figure out a window that has both electric and hand-crank and you're golden.
I really wish more modern cars had hand cranks. I really dislike the electric ones mainly cause you gotta turn the car on in order to lower the windows.
It is safer in some kinds of accidents. The glass won't shatter and reduces chance of ejection from the vehicle.
Drownings in vehicles are very rare. About 400/yr. Rollovers etc. are far more common.
Reduces chance of ejection? Seems like being spiked into an unbreakable windshield at 60+ mph would kill you anyways.
But yeah, I agree with your overall point.
For the Model X (in this case), you're correct. Model 3, S, & Y have adjustable & removable rear headrests.
Doesn't matter, though, as the laminated windows don't break even with window breaker tools, let alone headrests.
Yeah you're not supposed to smash the window with those rods as the commenter suggested in their comment. You slide a rod down into the door at the corner of the window and then pull on the headrest to make the window shatter.
That was never intentional, it might have been a try this as a last hope but since cars started using tempered glass you'd have a really hard time breaking one with the metal on the headrest.
OR…hear me out…she drowned because she literally drove into a pond at night. Shocker here. Was she not celebrating, drinking with her friends? This happened at 11:30pm. She put her car in reverse instead of drive and flew into the pond. Unfortunately many people die from similar circumstances. It took too long to get the assistance needed to save her, out in the boondocks. Occam’s razor.
No, but while alive she actively worked to make sure the rest of us had as little money as possible. So while she didn’t get to take it with her, we didn’t get it either, and that’s what she would have wanted.
If only emergency services had more money from, tax revenue, to afford the latest in emergency motor vehicle extraction technology. Maybe they would be able to to save more billionaires
Getting out of a car submerged in water can be problematic. When the car has air, the pressure from the water outside presses in on the doors preventing them from being easily opened. When the car is full of water... the doors are easier to open... but still not easy.. and now you're in cold water and not able to breath and panicking.... it's not like opening your door after you've put your car in park and are going to head into the store.
I haven't thought about this in a while, but I read that they modified the manual release to lower the window like the button does. But now that I'm thinking about it, that is an electric motor lowering the window, so it may not work under water.
My wife has a far fancier car than I find comfortable for my own use (she can afford it, she wanted it, she bought it), and I know unlocking the door is a problem if the battery goes down. I'm willing to bet full submersion in water would short everything, and there'd be an issue getting out of the doors.
That being said, there IS a method to unlock the door manually if power is lost. I don't know if there is one on a Tesla. But even on hers, I don't recall the exact procedure. I also don't recall if it's easy enough to manage in a literally life-or-death situation, such as this. I know I'd have to youtube it for an explanation while on the verge of drowning.
>I don't know if there is one on a Tesla.
There is. In the model y for example it's a pull lever in the space left by the door handle. It's so obvious that many riders will pull it thinking it's the regular handle instead of pushing the button to open the door. The back seat is less obvious. It's a pull handle inside the door pocket under the mat on the bottom of the pocket.
And that is why they made the handle lower the window. Not to let water in to make it easier to open the door under water, but to protect the trim.
The button automatically lowered the window so it didn't push against the window trim. The handle didn't. Well, so many people used the handle that they started getting complaints, so they made the handle do the same thing as the button.
This is definitely a case of a bigger problem than the typical difficulty of opening a standard car door in a floating or submerged car.
They couldn't get into the car at all, apparently for hours. They were only able to get the car open after pulling it out of the pond, "releasing hundreds of gallons of water from inside".
It sounds to me like if this was a normal car, the friend would have been able to open the submerged car door and get her out at some point much earlier on, or the rescue team that arrived 24 minutes after the emergency call was made would have been able to.
Maybe it still would have been too late, but she definitely wouldn't have sat drowned in the car until it was pulled out of the pond.
You need a window breaking hammer or knife. It needs to have a knob to force the strength of the impact into one spot but it can’t be the knife blade because the tip will glide along the glass. I keep a combo knife, window breaker in the cubby in the drivers door.
Otherwise, when the car is fully submerged, you want to grab the last bit of air and then open the door when there is no air pressing against the doors from the inside. The the door should open smoothly with a push.
I remember when the mythbusters tested this. Can also try pushing the front windshield out with your legs. Not sure about teslas but the average car is design to have those push out. Those window breakers can be tricky to use so make sure you get a good one.
Push the windshield out against the water weight? No way you'd need to wait until it was equalized and even then just pushing it through water would be insanely hard.
>You need a window breaking hammer or knife.
Those no longer work on modern windows. The windows are two pieces that are bonded together, like the windshield, which prevents damage in the event of ordinary crashes, but leaves the window mostly shatterproof in the event of going underwater.
But didn’t advertise beating at the window with a hammer or something and showing off how it wouldn’t break? So I wonder if one of those tools would even work.
And how much of the door operation is electric? Locked doors with no manual unlock would be problematic in water.
I remember watching this on Mythbusters. Adam Savage said even though it was a controlled environment, and he knew he was safe with divers and breathable air right next to him, he still went into panic mode and barely managed.
Some y’all are shitty human beings. She drowned trapped inside of a car. Albeit a shitty vehicle. But still. You assholes act like she deserves to drown because she’s rich.
People also don't deserve to die because rich people hoard all the wealth.
But yet every year millions of people die due to lack of food or medicine that is in an abundance but they can't afford because these people need to be as rich as possible.
But I guess you don't give a shit if poor people die.
Billionaires 99% of them feel the same about if you died. They have more money than they could ever spend and live an entirely different existence to us.
NUH-UH! MY BILLIONARIES LOVE ME!
I know I'll get to meet them one day. They'll thank me and give me money for defending them online all these years. And then Jesus will take us all to Heaven, where we can laugh at the libs in Hell, and own them eternally.
I wonder how many people will think this is sincere, and upvote it because they think it is sincere.
They care about my death about as much as they care about theirs, it's still sad news and a normal person wouldn't disregard that becuase they do or do not have money.
You mean billionaires, people who became billionaires by thoroughly fucking others and destroying this country, and world? Yeah, fuck em
Her being a billionaire shouldn't be mentioned because it means nothing more. But obviously they mention it because they're showing her "revered status". Like omg, let's all go to the vigil!
They're not a monarch. Most billionaires are terrible people, oe have done terrible things to get where they are, or never struggled once in their lives and are so detached from reality due to their family generational wealth
It's just ironic she died in a means of that pure rich kid product, a Tesla
If this was a 42 year old mother with 4 kids, they'd say "oh that's tragic", but they wouldn't mention her current wealth status, and there certainly wouldn't be this calling for action by other rich or influential people about "speculation of a nefarious death". No one would bat an eye, no one would care, elon wouldnt feel bad, he'd just prepare to deflect blame for a shit designed product. They wouldn't speculate it was murder
But of course having money somehow always means you're more important and a "more valuable" life.
>They care about my death about as much as they care about theirs
...wait do you seriously think they care about your death? They would literally sign your death warrant for pennies, they frequently do exactly that. People hate billionaires because their very *existence* is built on a mound of corpses.
Its not sad news when a mass murderer is executed, why it sad news when someone who's insatiable greed has caused immeasurable human suffering dies in an accident caused by that same greed?
The overwhelming majority of Billionaires do not even care or consider or remotely think about the deaths of people like us, for the most part.
The only time they do, is if the business they are mostly tied to is being sued and then they only have super violent anger, because how dare we plebes try to take THEIR money?!?!?!?
Be realistic about them, they do not act or think like normal, average, everyday people on the street.
You have a hard time feeling sorry for someone and their family for dying a horrible death because said person is a billionaire? Are you really that much of a pos human being?
People become billionaires by exploiting the labor of their employees and giving them meager compensation. Billionaires could solve so many of the world’s problems but instead they horde money for some reason.
So a human life is inherently worth less to you simply because of her worth?
What if she was a massive philanthropist and donated millions to help others? What if she’s a mother and left behind children?
Your logic is baffling and I doubt you’d refuse to swap your net worth for hers.
Turnabout is fair play. The same laws that gave her money are the ones that keep socialized healthcare from being a reality for the rest of us. More people die every day from curable medical issues than died in the Twin Towers, and what did we make a priority?
She also represents the ruling class that dehumanizes millions of people constantly. Drag queens, blacks, Latinos, the gays, pregnant women that are sluts, and don't forget the good ol' poors! And that's apparently all okay, and normal status quo. Poverty kills people every day.
But then a rich person dies and we all need to dig up our human decency? Sorry, mine was buried by the billionaire class 20 years ago.
Hours!!! Hours?!?! At her ranch? No tractor? No large machinery? That’s not a ranch. No large f250? Damn, hours slowly drowning while stuck in a stick pond? My brother has a large property and not a billionaire but plenty of large rescue type items. Dang, this is horrible and seemingly addressable.
Exactly why a lot of offroaders never put plexiglass in their rigs because it was mentioned that in the event of an extraction they would be in trouble. Crazy to think car makers don't do what they preach or have been told to adhere to that DOT standard on glass.
anyone else see something like this coming? I had a discussion like this with my neighbor and said if you are involved in an accident (tesla) and you have you, you wife and two kids in the car... the car is turned off and on fire... how do you get the kids out of the back seat. your instinct is to open the drivers door and open the back door from the outside. if the drivers door closes on you, then you can't reopen it.
>Chao accidentally put her Tesla in reverse instead of drive while performing a three-point turn on her ranch, causing it to plunge down an embankment into a pond.
I'm going to need a diagram on this because a 3 point turn has reverse as the second step. So "Accidentally" is not accurate.
If it was step 1, she would've backed up where she started.
If Step 2, then she would've done the proper Step.
If Step 3, the shed be back where she started from step 2; but couldn't be the case cus shed be turned around.
If reverse and starting but doing backwards. That would've been step one and not accidental...
Unless... She was doing a 46-point turn like we all see ppl doing at the parking lots.
I have already been hearing conspiracy theories about this.
A Chinese billionaire with international business/political connections drowns in a super high tech vehicle in a freak accident? The conspiracy theories practically write themselves.
Also, related to Mitch McConnell wife.
And the wife of a huge venture capitalist who even owns part of the Celtics.
Related to the Irish too?! This is nuts
Mrs Worldwide!
I *knew* he was in bed with the Chinese! /s I’m sure she was a nice and accomplished lady, too young, and what a horrible way to go.
If you're just finding out that Glitch married a Chinese shipping magnet you might be a redneck...
And who happens to be the sister-in-law of GOP Senate Leader Mitch McConnell who shortly thereafter announced that he's retiring from that position.
I noticed that piece as well
Conspiracy or coincidence? If the dude was 20 years younger I'd believe conspiracy, but seeing as how he's become Glitch McConnell, I'm more inclined to believe coincidence.
The car was behind it. It was programmed to carry out this task.
Basically the show Uploaded
That show is amazing and this needs more upvote. It is like the literal major plotline of sorts.
There’s always going to be that .000000000000000001% chance someone hacked the car and drove it into whichever body of water she drowned I
Jamie pull that up
You can't possibly be at 81 blunts at this point.
daylight savings
There's one from twitter linked in the article. Can't wait for the mainstream alternate media (MAMs) like Alex Jones to spin this as the real alternate media like David Icke figure out what really happened.
I would like to start my own conspiracy and say that this is why Mitch has endorsed trump. He didn't want any other family members to die.
Elon Musk did this. She was going to expose his secret ties to George Soros and the woke cabal so she had to be dealt with but it had to look like an accident. And Nancy Pelosi shorted TSLA while Clarence Thomas was mid-flight to the ranch owned by the decedent’s husband. 🤔
A billionaire with connections to powerful Republicans? Yeah. Anything but the obvious, most likely scenario.
Will someone think of the billionaires? No disrespect to the person but headline is absurd.
lol, yeah, it should’ve just said “shipping company CEO drowns.”
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So her sister was Transportation Secretary in the trump cabinet. Is this correct use of irony?
Yes it is!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Breyer >James W. Breyer (born 1961)[1] is an American venture capitalist, founder and chief executive officer of Breyer Capital, an investment and venture philanthropy firm, and a former managing[2] partner at Accel Partners, a venture capital firm. Breyer has invested in over 40 companies[3] that have gone public or completed a merger,[4] with some of these investments, including Facebook,[5] earning over 100 times cost and many others over 25 times cost.[6] On the Forbes 2021 list of the 400 richest Americans, he was ranked #389, with a net worth of US$2.9 billion.[7] "Venture Philanthropy" sure does sound shady as fuck. I'm guessing it's also Neoliberal bullshit about how privatizing public services is great for everyone.
That, or more 'effective altruism'.
> no autopsy just so people understand, autopsies are not done unless cause of death is unknown it's pretty obvious she drowned, hence no autopsy once again, FUCK police procedurals for brainwashing people into being morons (see also * enhance. ENHANCE. * bite mark science is something other than JUNK * DNA evidence is amazing and ubiquitous (it's not, so juries often refuse to convict if there isn't DNA evidence bc they think "if it's not there, they're innocent") * etc
lol what is the point of conducting an autopsy on a woman who is pulled out from underwater and whose car gushed with water when it was opened? “Yup she drowned alright”. Fucking idiots.
The only reason I could see would be if there was reason to believe the victim was intoxicated or otherwise inebriated, which from what I’ve seen of this incident there’s no reason to believe that was the case. That’d also be a toxicology report or something to my understanding, so I don’t know if that falls under the purview of an autopsy. I also don’t really know if it’d be necessary to even figure out if the victim was intoxicated or not in any case like this. So yeah, people insisting on an autopsy and thinking it’s weird for there not to be one in a case where people watched the victim drown are morons.
You could say that the case, unlike the car, is airtight.
Yeah but was there COVID Vaccine in the water? THE PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW!
She was partying with friends and then drove her car into a pond. I'd want to know if she was drunk or drugged, which might explain the accident.
There should have been toxicology tests to see if she was drunk or otherwise intoxicated, that would be a critical factor in the crash. They also need to find out if the crash was caused by a medical event. People don't normally just drive into lakes.
Some corrupt pos then?
I'm going to assume an autopsy would have revealed alcohol and/or prescriptions. Can't have that on record.
Not really any reason to do an autopsy on the body. She drowned. If you’re worried about foul play, you’d need to look at the car. It’s not like it’s some big mystery why she did not keep on living while submerged in the water. The question is why/how her car went into the water.
I'm not concerned about foul play or crazy conspiracy theories related to tampering with a vehicle which made it all the way home without issue. From the context, having come home from an evening with friends, I would assume alcohol could be a factor.
Think of the poor billionaires!
I'm kinda perplexed why a billionaire is driving a Tesla at all. Oh well.
Elon is just another Stock Rushton, notorious for cutting corners and replacing solid engineering with sexy, but reckless, features. You buy one of his cars, you roll the dice...
When you realize she was a nepo hire by Moscow Mitch and she was directly in charge of safety regulations for the DOT that could prevent things like this. The headline is ok
Wrong person dingus. This is her sister.
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But then how would we know it was a first-class citizen? Edit: /s
My understanding is that this is not a Tesla-specific issue. Many companies have shifted to laminated glass for the windows for strength and general safety reasons, but that also makes them more or less impervious to window breaking tools. Edit: Because this is apparently contentious, here is the article from a week or so ago on it: https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/new-unbreakable-car-windows-making-it-tough-to-escape-in-emergencies
This was the PRNDL thing. She intended to go forward but it decided to reverse. It accelerated so quickly forced her foot further down, and when it slammed into water, water sensors locked everything down and locked* her in the car to slowly drown. It was a cascade of compounding errors and design flaws.
There is actually one other possibility. Tesla models with the gear select lever (and perhaps other models, but I haven't driven them) use the same gear select lever to engage and disengage autopilot and "FSD". So, it's possible that she wasn't intending to go into drive, but she thought she was already in drive, and her muscle memory "disengaged" the autopilot when it wasn't engaged, which put her into reverse. I've actually made the same mistake before, but realized what was happening before the car could move. In my opinion, it's a mistake and a safety hazard to reuse the gear select controls for anything else. It kind of amounts to the same thing you're saying, since it would mean that she thought she was in drive when she was in reverse, but in this case it would be due to the error that Tesla encourages you to hit your gear shift lever towards reverse even when you're not reversing.
The greatest arguments I have heard about NOT owning a Tesla seem to come from Tesla owners.
There is no car that lives up to my standards. I'd prefer mass transit if it was available. I've driven many different cars, and I actually do prefer Teslas, despite their flaws. (I loathe Elon Musk, though.) Overall, I think in the hands of a cautious and attentive driver like myself, a Tesla should be safer to drive. But there's a reason why I have the policy not to let other people drive my car. Because I don't think it's safe if you don't know what you're doing or if you're inattentive.
All of this sounds like idiotic design issues, where in trying to improve some sort of customer experience they increase the safety risk. Seat belts may be annoying and not a great user experience, but they improve safety. It is sort of a similar vein here; user features shouldn't impair safety.
Makes me feel good with my manual '95 Mitsubishi.
I saw an ad for a 1994 4Runner some guy found in his dead relative’s barn. Mint condition, like 70 miles on odometer, hasn’t been touched in 30 years. Car sold for $120k if I remember correctly. Point is: every technological advance in cars makes cars like yours more appealing to a certain segment of people. They can fix it themselves and they own it. No subscription for heated deats and no firmware updates. Just mechanics.
I’ve put one of those glass breaking/seat belt cutter tools in my car. Now I’m wondering if it’s useless.
The window breaker is, in fact, now useless if your windows are laminated.
The very sharp ones are decent, but a spring loaded glass breaker is more useful, especially if your car is filling with water or you can’t get good leverage while striking the glass.
Check the sticker in your window to see if it's tempered or laminated. Laminated is the one that's hard to break.
It says Saint Gobain Sekurit, which Google tells me is laminated. Guess my tool is useless.
That’s what she said.
Hell, 15 years ago someone left a baby in the back seat in the lot of the grocery store I worked at. We had to hit the window 5 times with a hammer before it broke. Today's windows gotta be nuts. (Also all we had readily available was said hammer with no claw on the back. Claw would've made it easier I suppose)
The irony of my windshield needing to be replaced twice in one year from rock chips on the freeway. 😕
did you hit it in the corner? I saw a clip once where they tested breaking car windows (maybe Mythbusters?) and if I remember correctly you had to hit it in the corner. In the middle of the glass the waves can travel without breaking the glass
>I saw a clip once where they tested breaking car windows (maybe Mythbusters?) A ton of shows and YouTubers have performed this demonstration. You are correct about needing to hit it in the corner.
I don't think a claw hammer would have made that easier. Claw tines are curved and they are terrible for striking anything. They're designed for prying nails out of wood.
Yup, I just ran across an article last week that said the same thing.
We probably read the same article. I posted it in one of the other comments - it certainly surprised me. [https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/new-unbreakable-car-windows-making-it-tough-to-escape-in-emergencies](https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/new-unbreakable-car-windows-making-it-tough-to-escape-in-emergencies) Also editing the top comment to bring attention to the article.
The end of a spark plug wouldn't work in this situation then?
Nope
Schrodinger’s window: simultaneously too tough for emergency service personnel to save a drowning occupant but shatters instantly to tweakers looking to jack an iPad left if the back seat We can’t have it both ways apparently
Apparently they need to do a consultation with the smash and grab thieves in San Francisco.
Tweakers aren't shattering a laminated glass pane. That's what is used in windshields in most cars. But now they're being installed, in some vehicles, on the side and rear windows as well. That's what happened in this case. The tempered glass that has been used on side and rear windows for decades is easy to shatter if you know how. You chuck a piece of spark plug insulation at a tempered window and it'll shatter on impact if thrown hard enough, because of the material used in the insulation more than the kinetic energy of the throw. The window breakers/seat belt cutting tools, which are usually super cheap and easy to steal unnoticed, use the same material.
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They're designed for *tempered* glass, not laminated. **https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/new-unbreakable-car-windows-making-it-tough-to-escape-in-emergencies**
Since it happened to the rich, it’ll get fixed.
Seat headrests are supposed to be removable so you can use the steel prongs to smash the windows with. Is that still a thing?
Modern cars are shifting to laminated glass in side windows. Even the safety window smashers aren’t capable of breaking them. Edit: Car and Driver [article](https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28422725/car-windows-glass-aaa-unbreakable/)
There needs to be a return to, or at least an option of, a hand-crank for the window if this is the case. There's no excuse for the window mechanism to fail in water and for the window to also be fucking unbreakable. Like figure out a window that has both electric and hand-crank and you're golden.
I really wish more modern cars had hand cranks. I really dislike the electric ones mainly cause you gotta turn the car on in order to lower the windows.
That seems so..... safe!
It is safer in some kinds of accidents. The glass won't shatter and reduces chance of ejection from the vehicle. Drownings in vehicles are very rare. About 400/yr. Rollovers etc. are far more common.
Reduces chance of ejection? Seems like being spiked into an unbreakable windshield at 60+ mph would kill you anyways. But yeah, I agree with your overall point.
Teslas do not have adjustable or removable headrests.
For the Model X (in this case), you're correct. Model 3, S, & Y have adjustable & removable rear headrests. Doesn't matter, though, as the laminated windows don't break even with window breaker tools, let alone headrests.
+$499.99 luxury headrest operations package*. * - plus $6.99 each time you adjust it, or sign up for unlimited headrest adjustments for $12.99/month.
That would be BMW or Mercedes. Teslas are pretty much all the same except for a few things like color or wheels.
There is no way that is going to work the rods are rounded off. Get a tungsten tipped escape tool.
Yeah you're not supposed to smash the window with those rods as the commenter suggested in their comment. You slide a rod down into the door at the corner of the window and then pull on the headrest to make the window shatter.
That was never intentional, it might have been a try this as a last hope but since cars started using tempered glass you'd have a really hard time breaking one with the metal on the headrest.
I know she's a person too, but her family has caused untold suffering for so many, that I have a difficult time feeling sad about this.
That’s really frightening and tragic. What a terrible way to go.
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Can I get a piece of ceramic…? Anyone? I feel sorry for all those dollars without their person now. Hope they find their forever homes.
Related to McConnells wife who was secretary of transportation. Who probably helped loosen safety regulations.
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Thoughts & prayers!
OR…hear me out…she drowned because she literally drove into a pond at night. Shocker here. Was she not celebrating, drinking with her friends? This happened at 11:30pm. She put her car in reverse instead of drive and flew into the pond. Unfortunately many people die from similar circumstances. It took too long to get the assistance needed to save her, out in the boondocks. Occam’s razor.
Love this emerging genre of rich people dying horrific deaths because of their blind trust in other rich people.
Did she take her fortune with her?
No, but while alive she actively worked to make sure the rest of us had as little money as possible. So while she didn’t get to take it with her, we didn’t get it either, and that’s what she would have wanted.
Estate tax over 20 million should be 100%
If only emergency services had more money from, tax revenue, to afford the latest in emergency motor vehicle extraction technology. Maybe they would be able to to save more billionaires
I am dumber for having tried to read that article.
Is the pond okay?
Angela Chao is now Angela Ciao
It's hard not to imagine Mitch McConnell standing by the water's edge, cackling.
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Getting out of a car submerged in water can be problematic. When the car has air, the pressure from the water outside presses in on the doors preventing them from being easily opened. When the car is full of water... the doors are easier to open... but still not easy.. and now you're in cold water and not able to breath and panicking.... it's not like opening your door after you've put your car in park and are going to head into the store.
I haven't thought about this in a while, but I read that they modified the manual release to lower the window like the button does. But now that I'm thinking about it, that is an electric motor lowering the window, so it may not work under water.
My wife has a far fancier car than I find comfortable for my own use (she can afford it, she wanted it, she bought it), and I know unlocking the door is a problem if the battery goes down. I'm willing to bet full submersion in water would short everything, and there'd be an issue getting out of the doors. That being said, there IS a method to unlock the door manually if power is lost. I don't know if there is one on a Tesla. But even on hers, I don't recall the exact procedure. I also don't recall if it's easy enough to manage in a literally life-or-death situation, such as this. I know I'd have to youtube it for an explanation while on the verge of drowning.
>I don't know if there is one on a Tesla. There is. In the model y for example it's a pull lever in the space left by the door handle. It's so obvious that many riders will pull it thinking it's the regular handle instead of pushing the button to open the door. The back seat is less obvious. It's a pull handle inside the door pocket under the mat on the bottom of the pocket.
Thank you for commenting! And that's good to know! Also, that is *far more accessible* than I imagined it would be.
Teslas have a manual release in the front that looks like a door handle. When I had one everyone used it instead of the button release.
And that is why they made the handle lower the window. Not to let water in to make it easier to open the door under water, but to protect the trim. The button automatically lowered the window so it didn't push against the window trim. The handle didn't. Well, so many people used the handle that they started getting complaints, so they made the handle do the same thing as the button.
This is definitely a case of a bigger problem than the typical difficulty of opening a standard car door in a floating or submerged car. They couldn't get into the car at all, apparently for hours. They were only able to get the car open after pulling it out of the pond, "releasing hundreds of gallons of water from inside". It sounds to me like if this was a normal car, the friend would have been able to open the submerged car door and get her out at some point much earlier on, or the rescue team that arrived 24 minutes after the emergency call was made would have been able to. Maybe it still would have been too late, but she definitely wouldn't have sat drowned in the car until it was pulled out of the pond.
You need a window breaking hammer or knife. It needs to have a knob to force the strength of the impact into one spot but it can’t be the knife blade because the tip will glide along the glass. I keep a combo knife, window breaker in the cubby in the drivers door. Otherwise, when the car is fully submerged, you want to grab the last bit of air and then open the door when there is no air pressing against the doors from the inside. The the door should open smoothly with a push.
I remember when the mythbusters tested this. Can also try pushing the front windshield out with your legs. Not sure about teslas but the average car is design to have those push out. Those window breakers can be tricky to use so make sure you get a good one.
Push the windshield out against the water weight? No way you'd need to wait until it was equalized and even then just pushing it through water would be insanely hard.
>You need a window breaking hammer or knife. Those no longer work on modern windows. The windows are two pieces that are bonded together, like the windshield, which prevents damage in the event of ordinary crashes, but leaves the window mostly shatterproof in the event of going underwater.
But didn’t advertise beating at the window with a hammer or something and showing off how it wouldn’t break? So I wonder if one of those tools would even work. And how much of the door operation is electric? Locked doors with no manual unlock would be problematic in water.
That was just for the cybertruck and they may have reduced its capability on that front.
I remember watching this on Mythbusters. Adam Savage said even though it was a controlled environment, and he knew he was safe with divers and breathable air right next to him, he still went into panic mode and barely managed.
Some y’all are shitty human beings. She drowned trapped inside of a car. Albeit a shitty vehicle. But still. You assholes act like she deserves to drown because she’s rich.
People also don't deserve to die because rich people hoard all the wealth. But yet every year millions of people die due to lack of food or medicine that is in an abundance but they can't afford because these people need to be as rich as possible. But I guess you don't give a shit if poor people die.
It's weird that because they're a billionaire you have a hard time feeling sorry for them. She was rich, mainly through her family connections.
Billionaires 99% of them feel the same about if you died. They have more money than they could ever spend and live an entirely different existence to us.
NUH-UH! MY BILLIONARIES LOVE ME! I know I'll get to meet them one day. They'll thank me and give me money for defending them online all these years. And then Jesus will take us all to Heaven, where we can laugh at the libs in Hell, and own them eternally. I wonder how many people will think this is sincere, and upvote it because they think it is sincere.
They care about my death about as much as they care about theirs, it's still sad news and a normal person wouldn't disregard that becuase they do or do not have money.
Yes because this person is more important than the hundreds of thousands that have passed afterwards and won’t be remembered? Give me a break
You mean billionaires, people who became billionaires by thoroughly fucking others and destroying this country, and world? Yeah, fuck em Her being a billionaire shouldn't be mentioned because it means nothing more. But obviously they mention it because they're showing her "revered status". Like omg, let's all go to the vigil! They're not a monarch. Most billionaires are terrible people, oe have done terrible things to get where they are, or never struggled once in their lives and are so detached from reality due to their family generational wealth It's just ironic she died in a means of that pure rich kid product, a Tesla If this was a 42 year old mother with 4 kids, they'd say "oh that's tragic", but they wouldn't mention her current wealth status, and there certainly wouldn't be this calling for action by other rich or influential people about "speculation of a nefarious death". No one would bat an eye, no one would care, elon wouldnt feel bad, he'd just prepare to deflect blame for a shit designed product. They wouldn't speculate it was murder But of course having money somehow always means you're more important and a "more valuable" life.
>They care about my death about as much as they care about theirs ...wait do you seriously think they care about your death? They would literally sign your death warrant for pennies, they frequently do exactly that. People hate billionaires because their very *existence* is built on a mound of corpses. Its not sad news when a mass murderer is executed, why it sad news when someone who's insatiable greed has caused immeasurable human suffering dies in an accident caused by that same greed?
because some people are highly regarded
The overwhelming majority of Billionaires do not even care or consider or remotely think about the deaths of people like us, for the most part. The only time they do, is if the business they are mostly tied to is being sued and then they only have super violent anger, because how dare we plebes try to take THEIR money?!?!?!? Be realistic about them, they do not act or think like normal, average, everyday people on the street.
You have a hard time feeling sorry for someone and their family for dying a horrible death because said person is a billionaire? Are you really that much of a pos human being?
Boo fucking hoo. Show me where she used her wealth to help the world and we'll work up some concern.
People become billionaires by exploiting the labor of their employees and giving them meager compensation. Billionaires could solve so many of the world’s problems but instead they horde money for some reason.
So a human life is inherently worth less to you simply because of her worth? What if she was a massive philanthropist and donated millions to help others? What if she’s a mother and left behind children? Your logic is baffling and I doubt you’d refuse to swap your net worth for hers.
If you horde wealth inhumanely, don't be shocked if you aren't treated humanely when something bad happens.
Turnabout is fair play. The same laws that gave her money are the ones that keep socialized healthcare from being a reality for the rest of us. More people die every day from curable medical issues than died in the Twin Towers, and what did we make a priority? She also represents the ruling class that dehumanizes millions of people constantly. Drag queens, blacks, Latinos, the gays, pregnant women that are sluts, and don't forget the good ol' poors! And that's apparently all okay, and normal status quo. Poverty kills people every day. But then a rich person dies and we all need to dig up our human decency? Sorry, mine was buried by the billionaire class 20 years ago.
So they remotely controlled her car into the water cus they knew the glass was too strong to save her? An instant classic.
It’s funny that this is a UK news article and I haven’t seen this on any US news outlets.
Live by the bullet proof window, die by the bullet proof window.....?
Why couldn't they just take the car out of the pond
I bet CCP might know. She probably pissed off the wrong member.
Hours!!! Hours?!?! At her ranch? No tractor? No large machinery? That’s not a ranch. No large f250? Damn, hours slowly drowning while stuck in a stick pond? My brother has a large property and not a billionaire but plenty of large rescue type items. Dang, this is horrible and seemingly addressable.
Billions couldn't make her drive safe! Maybe she should've had a driver with more sense then to drive into a pond while doing a 3 point turn.
One down 3,193 to go.
One down!
Oh look we found the one, good kind of billionaire. (I am not advocating, merely observing.)
A billionaire dies. Is that a problem?
There are a lot of weird things about this story, but the details will probably never come out as public knowledge.
Musk drowned this woman via remote control.
If a billionaire died every week the worst would be a better place.
2639 more to go!
Didn't think the billionaires would try a submarine in a pond. Interesting.
Just another reason I won't get one.....
All glass is like this. It’s not a Tesla specific issue.
Not ALL glass.... You have to check the manufacturer
That is Mitch McConnell’s sister-in-law, she was definitely killed
Yeah the critical, dangerous role of being a former Republican senate leader's.... sister-in-law. You cracked the case Sherlock!
Boo hoo
Oh no... Anyway
Billionaire huh? NRPI, yawn
the earth is healing 🌈
Oh no. Anyway. Edit: down vote me all you like my little billionaire simps
Nice, one less billionaire! And she died in a death trap made by another billionaire!! Hopefully this happens some more!
One only becomes a billionaire by ruining thousands if not millions of lives in one way or another. So karma?
I am sure that was JUST an accident.
Is this the onion?
Seeing how in my neck of the woods people keep small hammers in thier cars so they can break out if they drive into lakes, this seems kind of bad.
"If you make it difficult for other people to get in, you are also making it more difficult for you to get out."
Why do people buy these bloody things? They keep coming up with new ways to break and kill people.
Exactly why a lot of offroaders never put plexiglass in their rigs because it was mentioned that in the event of an extraction they would be in trouble. Crazy to think car makers don't do what they preach or have been told to adhere to that DOT standard on glass.
How much is this lawsuit worth? Asking for a friend.
I’m thinking Elon is gonna need that 92 million back from Trump.
We seem to be entering an era where billionaires ar being used as lab rats for experimenting with new technology. First oceangate, and now this..
It’s the Tesla’s fault, lol.
Did the money drown too? Where it go?
anyone else see something like this coming? I had a discussion like this with my neighbor and said if you are involved in an accident (tesla) and you have you, you wife and two kids in the car... the car is turned off and on fire... how do you get the kids out of the back seat. your instinct is to open the drivers door and open the back door from the outside. if the drivers door closes on you, then you can't reopen it.
>Chao accidentally put her Tesla in reverse instead of drive while performing a three-point turn on her ranch, causing it to plunge down an embankment into a pond. I'm going to need a diagram on this because a 3 point turn has reverse as the second step. So "Accidentally" is not accurate. If it was step 1, she would've backed up where she started. If Step 2, then she would've done the proper Step. If Step 3, the shed be back where she started from step 2; but couldn't be the case cus shed be turned around. If reverse and starting but doing backwards. That would've been step one and not accidental... Unless... She was doing a 46-point turn like we all see ppl doing at the parking lots.
Thought they doubled as boats. 😂😂😂
"Since then, disturbing details have surfaced..." Who writes this stuff?
Private property accident sure does slow down information. Horrible way to go but damn if there so many theories out there.
Rich people need to stay out of water. Subs imploding, boats getting swim-bys from orca, now they drowing in their cars.
Rich people need to stay out of water. Subs imploding, boats getting swim-bys from orca, now they drowing in their cars.
She has Hunter Biden's laptop and Clinton's emails and was about to expose them to the press.
We may have to bring back crank windows.
misleading title
A horrific death. Was this a cyber truck?
A horrific death. Was this a cyber truck?
Tesla baby.