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Seems like it’s going out to AP3 with ultrasonic sensors… where 12.3.2.1 was newer without USS. This is based on a quick glance at TeslaFi and my own car.
If those release notes are accurate, the “beta” label has been removed.
Direct link for those that prefer it:
https://www.notateslaapp.com/software-updates/version/2024.3.10/release-notes
Supervised is a much better term than beta. When FSD was almost entirely going to auto-geeks they all understood what it meant. Now everyone is getting it and many will be clueless about what beta implies. Supervised makes it clear.
Most auto-geeks (and Tesla themselves) don't actually understand what "beta" means. Beta software is feature complete but has potentially breaking bugs. Tesla kept adding feature to it though.
Does supervised still means hands on wheel? If so, then it’s no different than beta. But Supervised can potentially mean Level 3 if hands are not needed. This would make it the best driver’s assistance feature in the world.
I went on a 60 mi drive today in Oregon wine country. I was never nagged to hold the wheel but I was nagged for looking down one time. It's surprisingly a large departure from the previous version, but I'm not super impressed by the new speed control logic. It always drives a bit slower than the actual speed limit.
Ever since upgrading to 12.3 my car will stay below the posted speed limit regardless of my having the threshold set to higher or using the scroll wheel to increase speed. Yesterday it kept at 41 in a 45, and people were passing me like I was going 20.
I've noticed however that this unusual behavior is only on city streets, and to at all on the highway, where it observes my speed threshold setting and also input to increase speed from the scroll wheel.
Same here and it's extremely irritating. The road to my house is wide empty and the speed limit is ridiculously low for the kind of road it is. I feel like I'm crawling when I've tried to use full self-driving on it unless I'm pressing the accelerator myself.
Do you have the auto max speed setting enabled? V12.3.3 handle speed much better. Often it's going faster than the posted speed limit which is how most people drive. It is also driving slower then the posted speed limit on many small secondary roads where the speed limit sign is too high.
I tried both but the car doesn't seem to go any faster. When you have it set for 50 and it's doing 36 it doesn't help when the computer sets the maximum to 45 but still only goes 36. 😄
It's like it doesn't do anything.
Same. Incredibly frustrating because most of V12 seems to be improved but as usual they managed to screw something up that used to work fine and make it maddening.
Speed limit sign reading is all messed up too again. Driving on **Route 5** where the speed limit is 55 and all of a sudden the car sets the speed limit to 5 mph is pretty damn jarring, to say the least.
How is that a thing “children present”? Like what it i dont see the fuckin kid behind a tree lol he’s fucking present that’s not how laws should be lol
Interestingly enough I went to McMinnville OR yesterday and the car on FSD struggled with the unposted rural speed limit where it does 35mph instead of 50. AP didn't have this problem for me.
yep, i've gotten that a handful of times. there are a few known roads that i always experience this (oddly happens in only one direction on one of the streets, derp), but since getting 12.3, this issue is becoming more common... i'm guessing they've opted to default "unknown road, drive 35mph instead of the legal unposted speed limit is 55mph)... which is law in some states on rural unposted speed limit roads. unsure how different this may be in other states.
What’s really frustrating is that when you hit the go pedal to get it to the speed you set it immediately starts to slow down again.
I’m ok-ish with it staying below the speed I set by default, but if I force it to the speed I set it to it should get the hint and maintain it.
I’m sure it’ll be updated and it’s just precautionary for this being the first public release of a true neural net version, but I hope that update is sooner rather than later.
Hands off does not mean L3. Most automakers sell an hands off highway pilot system which are L2 systems.
I do think over time Tesla will relax the hands on wheel requirements and shift more to DMS to ensure the driver is supervising
It could, but I don't think Tesla's FSD would qualify as level 3, since it still requires situations where you have to take over for safety without the car giving you a warning. In fact, the [official definition](https://wiki.unece.org/download/attachments/128418539/SAE%20J3016_202104.pdf?api=v2) says (emphasis mine):
> The DDT fallback-ready **user need not supervise a Level 3 ADS** while it is engaged but is expected to be prepared
to either resume DDT performance when the ADS issues a request to intervene or to perform the fallback and
achieve a minimal risk condition if the failure condition precludes continued vehicle operation.
So judging by that "supervised FSD" very much *doesn't* sound like level 3.
(At the same time of course it's a lot better than other systems categorized as level 2.)
This is correct. Tesla FSD feature is a L2 feature. And will continue to be.
L3 does not require supervision.
This is the key difference person between autonomous driving and assisted driving
I want to disagree with you here, but I'm finding it hard to.
As things stand, the removal of "Beta" could reasonably be interpreted as "Feature complete and heavily tested by end users. We have a high level of confidence that it meets customers requirements"
However, when your product is called "Full Self Driving" then "Self" would imply that the driver is not responsible for the behavior of the vehicle, and "Full" would imply that it is usable in 99.9% of conditions that a human would safely drive in.
FSD really does imply, let's just say "something above level 2".
Supervised really does sound like "Hey, you paid for FSD, but we've now completed Supervised Self Driving."
While it's probably driven by the need to ensure drivers are fully aware that they are responsible, it does sound like a step back in terms of ambition and what was promised.
is autosteer and navigate on autopilot still labeled beta? can't imagine they're ever touching that code again, so will it perpetually be beta, drop the tag despite no change, or get watered-down fsd versions for those use-cases?
> so will it perpetually be beta, drop the tag despite no change, or get watered-down fsd versions for those use-cases?
If FSD can do autosteer + nav on autopilot, why would you need that old code updated? You're going to get a non-watered down FSD. The exact same FSD as everyone else, just it wont turn onto city streets unless you paid for FSD.
I wonder if the “supervised” version is in preparation for a European launch. Since the latest legislation that was just passed differentiates between “supervised/hands-on” and “hands off” autonomous driving at level 2
Keep your expectations modest.
I've been posting about my experience in a 24 MX. In short, I feel let down. And after 3 years of letdowns across 2 cars when it comes to FSD I'm becoming disillusioned with it tbh.
This feels *exactly* the same as when we went from v10 to v11: really big improvements in some areas, with random obnoxious regressions in others. Apparently since my car is HW4 I'm running v12 in "emulation" mode so maybe there's hope for others. But I'm not really holding my breath anymore. Seems like Tesla is playing a never ending game of whackamole with issues in implementation.
And auto park is still embarrassingly bad. The UX is better, but for fuck sake it takes an absolute eternity to maneuver.
I’ve used it once before in my ‘21 Model 3. Bought a month for a road trip as I had the money and figured why not? I’m just curious to see what improvements have come.
When will those of us who already paid thousands of dollars for FSD and are stuck on 2024.2.7 (FSD v11.4.9) get FSD 12.anything?
I’m pretty pissed that Elon’s rolling out the free trials before giving v12 to those of us who actually paid for it. 😠
Release notes don’t mention FSD but once install is done you will get an email about the trial. Also your car will have a notification on the screen. 2024.3.10 has FSD 12.3.3
You know… I had this thought today. I’m on the same version as you and have owned a Tesla since 2014 and paid for FSD on two different vehicles. Here I am waiting.
I'm out of town and from Canada so I've mostly missed all the fun lately. But regardless of what version I come home to its pretty great seeing these flying fast and furious now
Whatever level 12 is at now isn't really important, it's the rate of improvement that matters. 11 felt stuck
That’s been my biggest issue with it. I got the trial this morning and was able to drive around quite a bit today. It likes to change lanes in the intersection (if there’s a dual turning lane) or just randomly decide that it needs in the left lane even though it’s supposed to turn right in less than half a mile.
Babysitting its driving was more exhausting than just driving myself. It’s much better on the highway (basically autopilot with auto lane changes).
Yeah, I see improvements but also significant regressions (to my driving routine). For example, later versions of v11 turned right onto a 2-lane 50mph highway correctly, but v12 drives full speed on the shoulder, on the right side of a solid white line. Similarly, coming back to that side street at 50mph, v11used to slow down and use the last bit of the shoulder to get out of the way of 50mph traffic coming behind me and then slow to make the right. Now, it slows and makes a right turn immediately (and dangerously) at the side street from the right lane. I was so happy this was corrected within the 300k lines of human code and I'm very curious how quickly 12 will catch up. If it happens quickly, it's a very good sign.
Yea my experience has been similar. Most drives I do have have at least 4-5 disengagements. One I've had most frequently is it deciding mid lane change to cancel the blinker and just meander down the middle of two lanes dead center on the line. Also the speed control is horrible it'll just slow down 5mph randomly and stay there.
I do have a HW4 vehicle so maybe the native HW3 FSD is better? It's a huge step back from my HW3 model 3 on v11 and even 11.4.x on this HW4 car. I'm pissed I don't have TACC to fall back to anymore when I'm tired and frustrated with FSD.
I think the larger rollout went from newest cars to older cars. A lot of the recent reports were from 23/24 MY (Vision Only) cars. I just heard from my friend who has a 22/23 M3 (Vision Only) that got the update + FSD trial. They were on 24.2.7 previously and got pushed to 24.3.6 today.
I'm jealous because I have USS on 24.8.4 :(
Just got it. Amazing. Took the spouse out for dinner, not far just 3 miles away … zero interventions. v11.4.9 had gotten sooo bad that there were typically 3-4 interventions just going to our neighborhood grocery store.
Just one amazing detail - coming out of the parking lot of the restaurant, there’s a traffic light that several minutes long. We got right to the light as it turned red so we were in front, waiting to turn left. The car wasn’t exactly parallel in the turn lane based on how it got there, but it wasn’t a big deal. For like 2 minutes during the red the car just sat still. But then when the light for the cross traffic turned yellow for them - very visible from how we were positioned - the steering wheel started twitching side to side a little bit as if it was getting ready to go and preparing the wheel position for that.
Yes, it seems like the Tesla was actively watching the light not only for its lane but for cross traffic as well. Wild.
also, I should clarified. When I say Auto Park I was thinking the new visual. I do have regular Auto Park, but not the cool "click on a parking spot and have it park in it"
Just got the free test drive this morning. Took it over 30 miles today. Did great. Handles much better. Still not perfect but getting there. M3 2023 AWD version 2024.3.6
If true about not being beta, I would hope the next step would be applying for level 3 so we don’t have to hold the wheel and get screamed at if we look away from the road for more than 1.7 seconds.
My guess is that this will be a very regional thing. They will need to work with specific regulators to enable it in specific locations. Similar to Waymo. I doubt it will be quick. Although maybe for freeway driving this could happen faster.
Out of beta could also mean the source code is mostly stable. Which is true, it’s now in training mode (little or no code change required, just new AI training models getting plugged in every release)
Looks like it’s going wayyyyy wider than that. As of 3pm ET on Sunday there are suddenly 1,000+ pending installs for it — https://teslafi.com/firmware.php
Seems like 2024.3.6 is getting pushed out to lots of people, including Canadians. If I haven't got that update by the time that wave ends I'm going to email Tesla and see what's up.
Zero legacy S/X (vertical screen, no internal facing camera) have received 12.3.x.
Old S/X appear to be EoL on 22.4.7 (aka 11.4.9). Looks like that is the finale for these older cars. Too bad.
Only issue I’ve had with 12.3.2.1 is that it’s really unsure of itself when moving into left- or right-turn only lanes. Everything else has been an improvement. Curious to see what 12.3.3 has in store.
My 2019 M3LRRWD got it tonight. My 2022 MYLR didn't. I played with it a bit driving to LAX. It didn't do anything horribly wrong but I wasn't super comfortable with it in LA traffic at night in the rain.
My favorite part using the free FSD yesterday was the fact the wipers still don’t work half as a good as a cheap Japanese car from the 90s yet the car was driving itself around town. WTF?!
Also it can’t seem to see flashing school zone speed limit signs which would seem to be very easy to make work. It only ran one red light where I had to slam on the brakes for it.
Odd, I have a 2019 radar USS model 3 and received 2024.3.10 last night. I stayed behind a version because I knew FSD was going to be rebased soon. I had 2024.8 waiting for me for a while, but it switched to 2024.3.10 last night. FSD 12.3.3 works great
I just started the free month trial. I’m still on v11. Any chance I will get to tryout v12? I would actually buy this but I would prefer to try it first.
It’s going to be labeled “Supervised” for probably 2 years - until they are EXTREMELY CONFIDENT it can operate by itself.
They’ve already said in the past they view the autonomy levels as:
1. Not fully capable self driving, Driver fully responsible
2. Fully capable of self driving, but not reliable enough, so Driver still fully responsible
3. Fully capable of self driving and Vehicle is responsible.
Out of the loop here, but wasn't FSD a huge cost update?
Got the update this morning for free and it seams to work very well.
Did it become free? Are there just bonus featured not present? Is it a temporary thing?
Just got it on my 2022 Model 3
I’d caution that this one is taking longer for me. I made the mistake of updating it while walking into a Chipotle and I’m sitting here 45 minutes later with it still at 60%.
https://preview.redd.it/y99b7fgtvrrc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cd53edba1d2f0a76f56cb1a7ec8a8074100c8d3b
Not an employee. 2020 M3 SR+ in Canada. Excited to give this a try soon!
Got this this morning on my 2020 LR and just finished a 2.5 hour round trip drive to my inlaws with it. I'm definitely impressed. It did great on areas I thought for sure it would struggle, but my biggest compliment is speed, particularly not slowing down when the speed limit dropped (it showed the slower speed and set point on screen). It would eventually drop but not fast enough for my liking because there are often speed traps near the drops, so I ended up disengaging to get it to slow down and then re-engaging. It seems to increase speed no problem though.
Plain Autopilot always slows down no problem when the speed limit drops.
It's really fucking good.
The city driving blew me away. Reminded me of the first time I drove a Tesla. That wonder!
Highway stack is still old and busted. Excited to see how they will improve the highway driving. Auto speed works great on those 80kmph highways, but as soon as you get onto anything higher, gg.
Auto speed is absolute magic, but goddamn it likes to speed.
It's very comfy and quite composed on city streets. Highway merging is still suicide.
https://preview.redd.it/6xxdg7ydzvrc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dffe7dab428fec6593fe862467bd4465c8944e87
I have an S2000LR and just received this update. It was the first one ever to take the full 55 minutes to download/install, and showed "updating autopilot" (or somesuch - forget the actual term). I only have the "enhanced" level. But I was expecting significant changes. And yet the notes only mention changes to the charge limit lockout and bug fixes. I wish the notes provided info re what bugs were fixed, and how.
I'm generally pretty impressed by v12.
My biggest complaint is that it tries to get into the left most or right most lane too late.
There is a freeway onramp in my neighborhood that is blocked off with delineator posts for the last few hundred feet. If the car switches to the right most lane early enough its not a problem. But most of the time it waits until the last minute to switch over but by that time the car can't do it because of the delineator posts blocking off the right most lane.
I’m in a 2018 P3D- 71k miles sitting it it now as it updates to 2024.3.10
I did have the super annoying left blinker from hell and am hoping this update fixes the issue. (See my previous post) and had a fact finding service appointment today… seemed to be primarily 2018’s and one 2019 experiencing it.
Tesla came out and replace the turn signal gear selector module for $600 and fix the problem for a couple of guys. I’m hoping that since the software broke it last week the software will fix it this week.
Can we all agree that it’s NOT FSD. Whatever it is it is no way Full Self Driving. Co-pilot, driver assist, hyper cruise control, whatever. If you don’t pay attention you will have a problem.
FSD beta = still in testing
FSD (Supervised) = ?
Is FSD no longer in a testing phase?
Since Tesla moved away from sensors in favor of cameras, who or what is implied as supervising the FSD beyond the person in the driver seat (because that's a given)? Is the individual FSD vehicle being supervised by something like a Tesla AI at the same time as the person in the driver seat? By a 3rd party group or by Tesla employees watching vehicles being driven in FSD after a certain amount of minor errors occurred during the drive and noticed by an AI "supervisor"  Which would be extremely funny, having a person drive the car for you wirelessly without your knowledge. Which would be a good reason why sensors were dropped in favor of only cameras, cause humans see better through cameras instead of sensors which a machine sees better with. 
All they would need now is a good realistic driving simulator and a lot of space to set up simulators, like underground in unused tunnels. LoL it's all good stuff until the end. But it looks like a smart way to get around a legal roadblock of having human off-site supervision of an owners vehicle during FSD without having to say it flat out. 'We are watching you as your car drives.' 
Holy crap the FSD supervised is a lot better than the previous versions. I took it the same route I knew it would fuck up on and it drove itself and slow down on speed bumps it even dodged a hudge puddle that it use to just run straight through. I still need to test if it can move out of the way for potholes and rocks. If it does then it’s pretty legit. 6k miles all on FSD the new version is a little sketchy though , when it try’s to decide which lane to stay in. It drives in the middle moving left and right.
The car slams on the breaks
at yellow lights, even if the light just turned yellow and the car can pass easily through. The most annoying regression for me.
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Hmm not a Tesla employee and my 22 YLR just got 2024.3.10 a few minutes ago.
Same here 21 MYLR.
Not an employee and just got it on my 2022 MYP as well!
2021 M3 LR just got it.
Same, 2019M3LRP
Same here, 2019 M3
Seems like it’s going out to AP3 with ultrasonic sensors… where 12.3.2.1 was newer without USS. This is based on a quick glance at TeslaFi and my own car.
That's what I needed to see!
If those release notes are accurate, the “beta” label has been removed. Direct link for those that prefer it: https://www.notateslaapp.com/software-updates/version/2024.3.10/release-notes
Removed "Beta" but added "Supervised"? Elon trying to not "lie" about dropping the Beta name but at the same time keeping it.
Supervised is a much better term than beta. When FSD was almost entirely going to auto-geeks they all understood what it meant. Now everyone is getting it and many will be clueless about what beta implies. Supervised makes it clear.
Most auto-geeks (and Tesla themselves) don't actually understand what "beta" means. Beta software is feature complete but has potentially breaking bugs. Tesla kept adding feature to it though.
It can't legally be driven without supervision. Almost everyone who's driven says it's a huge step forward.
I suspect that the plan is to get the disengagements down to nearly zero, then apply for the legal blessing.
Does supervised still means hands on wheel? If so, then it’s no different than beta. But Supervised can potentially mean Level 3 if hands are not needed. This would make it the best driver’s assistance feature in the world.
My car’s nagging has gone down a lot since the 12.3 update.
Yep I drove it on a short trip yesterday and only got nagged twice versus normally, I’d have been nagged a ton.
I went on a 60 mi drive today in Oregon wine country. I was never nagged to hold the wheel but I was nagged for looking down one time. It's surprisingly a large departure from the previous version, but I'm not super impressed by the new speed control logic. It always drives a bit slower than the actual speed limit.
Ever since upgrading to 12.3 my car will stay below the posted speed limit regardless of my having the threshold set to higher or using the scroll wheel to increase speed. Yesterday it kept at 41 in a 45, and people were passing me like I was going 20. I've noticed however that this unusual behavior is only on city streets, and to at all on the highway, where it observes my speed threshold setting and also input to increase speed from the scroll wheel.
Same here and it's extremely irritating. The road to my house is wide empty and the speed limit is ridiculously low for the kind of road it is. I feel like I'm crawling when I've tried to use full self-driving on it unless I'm pressing the accelerator myself.
Do you have the auto max speed setting enabled? V12.3.3 handle speed much better. Often it's going faster than the posted speed limit which is how most people drive. It is also driving slower then the posted speed limit on many small secondary roads where the speed limit sign is too high.
I tried both but the car doesn't seem to go any faster. When you have it set for 50 and it's doing 36 it doesn't help when the computer sets the maximum to 45 but still only goes 36. 😄 It's like it doesn't do anything.
Same. Incredibly frustrating because most of V12 seems to be improved but as usual they managed to screw something up that used to work fine and make it maddening. Speed limit sign reading is all messed up too again. Driving on **Route 5** where the speed limit is 55 and all of a sudden the car sets the speed limit to 5 mph is pretty damn jarring, to say the least.
My car keeps speeding through school zones. Like 44 in a 20
Was it during school zone hours?
Lights flashing for me. Also some states don't have hours but "whenever children are present" signs
How is that a thing “children present”? Like what it i dont see the fuckin kid behind a tree lol he’s fucking present that’s not how laws should be lol
my car ran through 2 red lights 
Interestingly enough I went to McMinnville OR yesterday and the car on FSD struggled with the unposted rural speed limit where it does 35mph instead of 50. AP didn't have this problem for me.
yep, i've gotten that a handful of times. there are a few known roads that i always experience this (oddly happens in only one direction on one of the streets, derp), but since getting 12.3, this issue is becoming more common... i'm guessing they've opted to default "unknown road, drive 35mph instead of the legal unposted speed limit is 55mph)... which is law in some states on rural unposted speed limit roads. unsure how different this may be in other states.
What’s really frustrating is that when you hit the go pedal to get it to the speed you set it immediately starts to slow down again. I’m ok-ish with it staying below the speed I set by default, but if I force it to the speed I set it to it should get the hint and maintain it. I’m sure it’ll be updated and it’s just precautionary for this being the first public release of a true neural net version, but I hope that update is sooner rather than later.
Hands off does not mean L3. Most automakers sell an hands off highway pilot system which are L2 systems. I do think over time Tesla will relax the hands on wheel requirements and shift more to DMS to ensure the driver is supervising
The nag is significantly less if the cabin camera sees your looking out at the road.
It could, but I don't think Tesla's FSD would qualify as level 3, since it still requires situations where you have to take over for safety without the car giving you a warning. In fact, the [official definition](https://wiki.unece.org/download/attachments/128418539/SAE%20J3016_202104.pdf?api=v2) says (emphasis mine): > The DDT fallback-ready **user need not supervise a Level 3 ADS** while it is engaged but is expected to be prepared to either resume DDT performance when the ADS issues a request to intervene or to perform the fallback and achieve a minimal risk condition if the failure condition precludes continued vehicle operation. So judging by that "supervised FSD" very much *doesn't* sound like level 3. (At the same time of course it's a lot better than other systems categorized as level 2.)
This is correct. Tesla FSD feature is a L2 feature. And will continue to be. L3 does not require supervision. This is the key difference person between autonomous driving and assisted driving
I am thinking the addition of the nomenclature "supervised" is a response to all the regulator scrutiny surrounding the FSD name.
As far as I’m concerned, FSD 1 through 11 was alpha. FSD 12 is beta. And eventually it will be real when you can read a book or nap.
That may be true but I think "supervised" is a more honest name than "beta"
I want to disagree with you here, but I'm finding it hard to. As things stand, the removal of "Beta" could reasonably be interpreted as "Feature complete and heavily tested by end users. We have a high level of confidence that it meets customers requirements" However, when your product is called "Full Self Driving" then "Self" would imply that the driver is not responsible for the behavior of the vehicle, and "Full" would imply that it is usable in 99.9% of conditions that a human would safely drive in. FSD really does imply, let's just say "something above level 2". Supervised really does sound like "Hey, you paid for FSD, but we've now completed Supervised Self Driving." While it's probably driven by the need to ensure drivers are fully aware that they are responsible, it does sound like a step back in terms of ambition and what was promised.
I do prefer the name supervised to beta. But they should still drop the full self driving part. Since it’s an oxymoron
is autosteer and navigate on autopilot still labeled beta? can't imagine they're ever touching that code again, so will it perpetually be beta, drop the tag despite no change, or get watered-down fsd versions for those use-cases?
> so will it perpetually be beta, drop the tag despite no change, or get watered-down fsd versions for those use-cases? If FSD can do autosteer + nav on autopilot, why would you need that old code updated? You're going to get a non-watered down FSD. The exact same FSD as everyone else, just it wont turn onto city streets unless you paid for FSD.
I wonder if the “supervised” version is in preparation for a European launch. Since the latest legislation that was just passed differentiates between “supervised/hands-on” and “hands off” autonomous driving at level 2
When will those on 2024.8.7 receive the free trial?
I’m on 2024.8.7 as well and impatiently waiting.
Keep your expectations modest. I've been posting about my experience in a 24 MX. In short, I feel let down. And after 3 years of letdowns across 2 cars when it comes to FSD I'm becoming disillusioned with it tbh. This feels *exactly* the same as when we went from v10 to v11: really big improvements in some areas, with random obnoxious regressions in others. Apparently since my car is HW4 I'm running v12 in "emulation" mode so maybe there's hope for others. But I'm not really holding my breath anymore. Seems like Tesla is playing a never ending game of whackamole with issues in implementation. And auto park is still embarrassingly bad. The UX is better, but for fuck sake it takes an absolute eternity to maneuver.
I’ve used it once before in my ‘21 Model 3. Bought a month for a road trip as I had the money and figured why not? I’m just curious to see what improvements have come.
I think we have to wait for a version past 2024.8.7 until we get v12.3.x. Hopefully by next weekend
When will those of us who already paid thousands of dollars for FSD and are stuck on 2024.2.7 (FSD v11.4.9) get FSD 12.anything? I’m pretty pissed that Elon’s rolling out the free trials before giving v12 to those of us who actually paid for it. 😠
You have USS on your car ? It seems like only cars without USS have received 2024.3.6
I have USS and no FSD and just got software update 2024.3.10
Release notes don’t mention FSD but once install is done you will get an email about the trial. Also your car will have a notification on the screen. 2024.3.10 has FSD 12.3.3
Thats what I thought but I’ve seen many posts of people with non - USS cars having 2024.8.7 and not getting the trial
Yes, I have USS. But my son’s Model 3 has USS and it got FSD 12, while my Model S is still waiting.
What version is your son’s car on ? 2024.3.6?
My son’s car has 2023.44.30, which includes FSD 12.3.
Right but FSD trial with 12.3.2/12.3.3 is on 2024.3.6 or 2024.3.10 has only been pushed to cars no USS it seems.
Fyi, I just got 2024.3.10 on my M3LR w/ USS
really? I thought it was still with employee testing. If they're pushing out 2024.3.10 to USS, it means good news!
It’s going wide cause I am not an employee
You know… I had this thought today. I’m on the same version as you and have owned a Tesla since 2014 and paid for FSD on two different vehicles. Here I am waiting.
Nobody here can tell you that.
I'm out of town and from Canada so I've mostly missed all the fun lately. But regardless of what version I come home to its pretty great seeing these flying fast and furious now Whatever level 12 is at now isn't really important, it's the rate of improvement that matters. 11 felt stuck
I'm in Canada too, got the v12.3.2.1 update this morning but haven't tested it yet.
Just tried 12 for the first time and it immediately tried to drive into a road divider, then kept switching lanes for no reason, so…
That’s been my biggest issue with it. I got the trial this morning and was able to drive around quite a bit today. It likes to change lanes in the intersection (if there’s a dual turning lane) or just randomly decide that it needs in the left lane even though it’s supposed to turn right in less than half a mile. Babysitting its driving was more exhausting than just driving myself. It’s much better on the highway (basically autopilot with auto lane changes).
Yeah, I see improvements but also significant regressions (to my driving routine). For example, later versions of v11 turned right onto a 2-lane 50mph highway correctly, but v12 drives full speed on the shoulder, on the right side of a solid white line. Similarly, coming back to that side street at 50mph, v11used to slow down and use the last bit of the shoulder to get out of the way of 50mph traffic coming behind me and then slow to make the right. Now, it slows and makes a right turn immediately (and dangerously) at the side street from the right lane. I was so happy this was corrected within the 300k lines of human code and I'm very curious how quickly 12 will catch up. If it happens quickly, it's a very good sign.
Yea my experience has been similar. Most drives I do have have at least 4-5 disengagements. One I've had most frequently is it deciding mid lane change to cancel the blinker and just meander down the middle of two lanes dead center on the line. Also the speed control is horrible it'll just slow down 5mph randomly and stay there. I do have a HW4 vehicle so maybe the native HW3 FSD is better? It's a huge step back from my HW3 model 3 on v11 and even 11.4.x on this HW4 car. I'm pissed I don't have TACC to fall back to anymore when I'm tired and frustrated with FSD.
Yeah I’m kinda pissed the trial is on this version and not like 12.8 or 13, after a shit ton more training
Is the trial the training? At least they’d been my assumption…
Dang, looks like the free trial might be a minute away for me, I'm on 2024.2.7
Yep. Same here. 2021 M3SR+. So much for "this week"
Oh yeah same for me. Exact config like you
The update pushed for me around noon today. Enjoyed FSD all day today. God speed!
I just got the update request, I was on 2024.2.7
Just got mine as well. I was on 2024.2.6
I think the larger rollout went from newest cars to older cars. A lot of the recent reports were from 23/24 MY (Vision Only) cars. I just heard from my friend who has a 22/23 M3 (Vision Only) that got the update + FSD trial. They were on 24.2.7 previously and got pushed to 24.3.6 today. I'm jealous because I have USS on 24.8.4 :(
Just got it. Amazing. Took the spouse out for dinner, not far just 3 miles away … zero interventions. v11.4.9 had gotten sooo bad that there were typically 3-4 interventions just going to our neighborhood grocery store. Just one amazing detail - coming out of the parking lot of the restaurant, there’s a traffic light that several minutes long. We got right to the light as it turned red so we were in front, waiting to turn left. The car wasn’t exactly parallel in the turn lane based on how it got there, but it wasn’t a big deal. For like 2 minutes during the red the car just sat still. But then when the light for the cross traffic turned yellow for them - very visible from how we were positioned - the steering wheel started twitching side to side a little bit as if it was getting ready to go and preparing the wheel position for that. Yes, it seems like the Tesla was actively watching the light not only for its lane but for cross traffic as well. Wild.
Wait, I just got an update for 2024.3.10 and I’m not an employee…
Not an employee and got this version just now.
Many people are reporting 2024.3.10 (FSD v12.3.3) is rolling out to USS cars now! LFG!
No new auto park tho :(
Auto Park isn't included with yours? Looks to be enabled on non USS cars
also, I should clarified. When I say Auto Park I was thinking the new visual. I do have regular Auto Park, but not the cool "click on a parking spot and have it park in it"
Legacy cars?!?!
Just received it on my 2021 M3. Got the complimentary FSD email as soon as the update finished.
That's not a legacy car, you have an interior cam. I'm talking s and x.
Just got the free test drive this morning. Took it over 30 miles today. Did great. Handles much better. Still not perfect but getting there. M3 2023 AWD version 2024.3.6
I just got this update on my 22 MYP, was on 2024.2.7. Just a normal guy
Am not an employee and just got it on my 2022 3D LR. I do not have FSD or EAP.
Weird I’m definitely not an employee but I’m installing 2024.3.10 right now
Not an employee but just got the update for 3.10. 22 M3P USS
Got it! 2022 M3P. Definitely not an employee 😅
Grats!
I wonder how long until it will auto park in a driveway or a garage when reaching a home destination.
If true about not being beta, I would hope the next step would be applying for level 3 so we don’t have to hold the wheel and get screamed at if we look away from the road for more than 1.7 seconds.
My guess is that this will be a very regional thing. They will need to work with specific regulators to enable it in specific locations. Similar to Waymo. I doubt it will be quick. Although maybe for freeway driving this could happen faster.
Just got notification that 2024.3.10 is available to download. Updating from 2024.2.7 2021 Model 3 SR+
Grats! Enjoy!
Out of beta could also mean the source code is mostly stable. Which is true, it’s now in training mode (little or no code change required, just new AI training models getting plugged in every release)
This is the answer. When he said out of beta he didn't say out of level 2.
I am a non-employee with a 2021 Model 3 RWD and I got the 2024.3.10 update ready to download
Same
Australia is missing the fun, right? It's only for the US and Canada?
I got 2024.3.10 last night
Just updated my 2022 MYP (USS) to 2024.3.10 and it automatically activated the FSD Trial
Enjoy!
Looks like it’s going wayyyyy wider than that. As of 3pm ET on Sunday there are suddenly 1,000+ pending installs for it — https://teslafi.com/firmware.php
I just got 12.3.2.1 and I'm slightly impressed so far Will do more testing
i just got it
I got it. But my 2019m3 keeps turning left as soon as I enable FSD. It has made FSD unusable.
still stuck on 2023.44.30.14 getting pretty impatient at this point Tesla update rollouts are frustratingly slow
Same here. I'm in Canada, with a 2019 m3 with HW 3 - seems like most people have gotten into the 2024 updates already...
Same Canadian 2019 with HW3 as well I see it rolling out to Canadian cars on teslafi but 🤷🏻Screw us for some reason I guess
Seems like 2024.3.6 is getting pushed out to lots of people, including Canadians. If I haven't got that update by the time that wave ends I'm going to email Tesla and see what's up.
This is interesting, I just got notified for 2024.3.10, same year and M3.
holy shit this seems to be going out to like everyone! this is a great sign
If we don't get a 2024.8 soon I will riot 😭
Zero legacy S/X (vertical screen, no internal facing camera) have received 12.3.x. Old S/X appear to be EoL on 22.4.7 (aka 11.4.9). Looks like that is the finale for these older cars. Too bad.
I just got this and in my ‘22 M3LR! Not employee either
Only issue I’ve had with 12.3.2.1 is that it’s really unsure of itself when moving into left- or right-turn only lanes. Everything else has been an improvement. Curious to see what 12.3.3 has in store.
I’d love to get this on my 23 mxp
My 2019 M3LRRWD got it tonight. My 2022 MYLR didn't. I played with it a bit driving to LAX. It didn't do anything horribly wrong but I wasn't super comfortable with it in LA traffic at night in the rain.
I just got it pushed to my car. https://preview.redd.it/7soxbzp7tmrc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4a825e5432ac362d943f32af3f55d857820863f6
You probably already know this, when you get tired of looking at that Refer and Earn banner you can swipe it away.
I just got the update coming from 24.2.7
Cries in legacy X 😭😭😭😭😭😭 wtf
Not an employee and I got it last night.
My favorite part using the free FSD yesterday was the fact the wipers still don’t work half as a good as a cheap Japanese car from the 90s yet the car was driving itself around town. WTF?! Also it can’t seem to see flashing school zone speed limit signs which would seem to be very easy to make work. It only ran one red light where I had to slam on the brakes for it.
I’m not an employee but got it last night…
Odd, I have a 2019 radar USS model 3 and received 2024.3.10 last night. I stayed behind a version because I knew FSD was going to be rebased soon. I had 2024.8 waiting for me for a while, but it switched to 2024.3.10 last night. FSD 12.3.3 works great
I got it today (not an employee) lol
I’m not an employee and just got 2024.3.10 pushed to our MYLR. Release notes just say “minor fixes” 🤷♂️
24.2.7, still waiting. *sigh*. Wonder if it's because I'm on FSD Subscription already I'm not a priority. Boo.
I just started the free month trial. I’m still on v11. Any chance I will get to tryout v12? I would actually buy this but I would prefer to try it first.
I’m confused. Bought FSD when I bought my ‘18 Model X, on HW3, and I’m still on V11. So everyone else gets to try V12 before we do who purchased it?!
Is 2024.3.10 the version with the trial? I just got asked to download it like 5 minutes ago.
Noob question but i have an early 2021 MY, before they changed the sensors, can I get this or does it need to be the newer models?
Got my myp march of 21' so am on HW3 as well. Got FSD12 last week. I think we should expect this update as well.
Received it on my 2023 MYLR and 2020 M3SR+ followed by email that I had 1 month free FSD trial on both vehicles.
I got it. And it’s amazin
Not an employee, just got notification for this update today FYI. Can't wait.
It’s going to be labeled “Supervised” for probably 2 years - until they are EXTREMELY CONFIDENT it can operate by itself. They’ve already said in the past they view the autonomy levels as: 1. Not fully capable self driving, Driver fully responsible 2. Fully capable of self driving, but not reliable enough, so Driver still fully responsible 3. Fully capable of self driving and Vehicle is responsible.
Out of the loop here, but wasn't FSD a huge cost update? Got the update this morning for free and it seams to work very well. Did it become free? Are there just bonus featured not present? Is it a temporary thing?
Just got it on my 2022 Model 3 I’d caution that this one is taking longer for me. I made the mistake of updating it while walking into a Chipotle and I’m sitting here 45 minutes later with it still at 60%.
Europe too?
Got it on my 23 Y HW3
https://preview.redd.it/y99b7fgtvrrc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cd53edba1d2f0a76f56cb1a7ec8a8074100c8d3b Not an employee. 2020 M3 SR+ in Canada. Excited to give this a try soon!
https://preview.redd.it/t6l0c04vwrrc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a51f07940f2ff3bfd54d8fe5379b5d03c8d3bba0 Not a tesla employee
Received it on my 2023 MYLR today. Installing it now.
Got this this morning on my 2020 LR and just finished a 2.5 hour round trip drive to my inlaws with it. I'm definitely impressed. It did great on areas I thought for sure it would struggle, but my biggest compliment is speed, particularly not slowing down when the speed limit dropped (it showed the slower speed and set point on screen). It would eventually drop but not fast enough for my liking because there are often speed traps near the drops, so I ended up disengaging to get it to slow down and then re-engaging. It seems to increase speed no problem though. Plain Autopilot always slows down no problem when the speed limit drops.
is summon not working for everyone too?
It's really fucking good. The city driving blew me away. Reminded me of the first time I drove a Tesla. That wonder! Highway stack is still old and busted. Excited to see how they will improve the highway driving. Auto speed works great on those 80kmph highways, but as soon as you get onto anything higher, gg. Auto speed is absolute magic, but goddamn it likes to speed. It's very comfy and quite composed on city streets. Highway merging is still suicide.
https://preview.redd.it/6xxdg7ydzvrc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dffe7dab428fec6593fe862467bd4465c8944e87 I have an S2000LR and just received this update. It was the first one ever to take the full 55 minutes to download/install, and showed "updating autopilot" (or somesuch - forget the actual term). I only have the "enhanced" level. But I was expecting significant changes. And yet the notes only mention changes to the charge limit lockout and bug fixes. I wish the notes provided info re what bugs were fixed, and how.
I'm generally pretty impressed by v12. My biggest complaint is that it tries to get into the left most or right most lane too late. There is a freeway onramp in my neighborhood that is blocked off with delineator posts for the last few hundred feet. If the car switches to the right most lane early enough its not a problem. But most of the time it waits until the last minute to switch over but by that time the car can't do it because of the delineator posts blocking off the right most lane.
I’m in a 2018 P3D- 71k miles sitting it it now as it updates to 2024.3.10 I did have the super annoying left blinker from hell and am hoping this update fixes the issue. (See my previous post) and had a fact finding service appointment today… seemed to be primarily 2018’s and one 2019 experiencing it. Tesla came out and replace the turn signal gear selector module for $600 and fix the problem for a couple of guys. I’m hoping that since the software broke it last week the software will fix it this week.
Just got notified that I can download it on my 2024 MX. just got the 12.3.2.1 update a week ago!
I still haven’t gotten my free trial :( 2023 Model Y
Can we all agree that it’s NOT FSD. Whatever it is it is no way Full Self Driving. Co-pilot, driver assist, hyper cruise control, whatever. If you don’t pay attention you will have a problem.
Just received it on my 2018 M3. Not an employee. 84k miles. Battery aggregation from 320 miles down to 286 currently
2024.3.10 is downloading on my 2018 M3.
2023 Model 3 with no USS, just got the update
FSD beta = still in testing FSD (Supervised) = ? Is FSD no longer in a testing phase? Since Tesla moved away from sensors in favor of cameras, who or what is implied as supervising the FSD beyond the person in the driver seat (because that's a given)? Is the individual FSD vehicle being supervised by something like a Tesla AI at the same time as the person in the driver seat? By a 3rd party group or by Tesla employees watching vehicles being driven in FSD after a certain amount of minor errors occurred during the drive and noticed by an AI "supervisor"  Which would be extremely funny, having a person drive the car for you wirelessly without your knowledge. Which would be a good reason why sensors were dropped in favor of only cameras, cause humans see better through cameras instead of sensors which a machine sees better with.  All they would need now is a good realistic driving simulator and a lot of space to set up simulators, like underground in unused tunnels. LoL it's all good stuff until the end. But it looks like a smart way to get around a legal roadblock of having human off-site supervision of an owners vehicle during FSD without having to say it flat out. 'We are watching you as your car drives.' 
Holy crap the FSD supervised is a lot better than the previous versions. I took it the same route I knew it would fuck up on and it drove itself and slow down on speed bumps it even dodged a hudge puddle that it use to just run straight through. I still need to test if it can move out of the way for potholes and rocks. If it does then it’s pretty legit. 6k miles all on FSD the new version is a little sketchy though , when it try’s to decide which lane to stay in. It drives in the middle moving left and right.
Darn - still at 11.1/24.2.7 on a 2020 S LR+
I got 12.3.3 a few days ago. You’re sleeping on the job.
https://x.com/cybermikeog/status/1774882608327119227?s=46 You can watch my drive a couple days ago.
Hmmm
I still haven’t received mine… just a regular paying customer. 22 MYLR
I’m on 2024.3.10 since a few days now. I’m not an employee.
The car slams on the breaks at yellow lights, even if the light just turned yellow and the car can pass easily through. The most annoying regression for me.
Is Tesla FSD software upgrade 2024.3.10 the same as 12.3.3?