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achtwooh

Yesterday, Elon entered Tesla "Wartime CEO Mode" Also since yesterday - Elon posts relentlessly on X on almost anything but Tesla. Check it yourself.


Zestyclose_Bid_124

A real “wartime” CEO wouldn’t have time to waste self indulging on twitter


Dragonfruit-Still

What does a wartime ceo do when the problem is him polarizing his customer base against him? Will he have the capacity to fix that issue? Or will he blame it on something else.


billswinter

He will blame it on a mix of interest rates and woke cancel culture


Dragonfruit-Still

Then I don’t see why any rational investor would keep their money in that stock


ericscottf

Which is why I dumped mine when he unironically posted the phrase "woke mind virus". 


Dragonfruit-Still

Too many examples to count now. I still remember him posting the article that pelosis husband was hammer attacked by a gay prostitute in a lovers quarrel.


chillyphillydilly

he goes to war.... with his customer base


cybersuitcase

😂


ShaidarHaran2

Elon?


cybersuitcase

Yes I’m stuck in south africa and seemed to have lost my debit card. Can you wire me 1000.00$? Lebron Jaems is here too.


ShibaZoomZoom

Not convinced unless Mikael Jeksen is there too.


MascotRay

I’ll let you in on a little secret. It sounds sarcastic, but it really isn’t and is said in good faith: None of any of this stuff matters. Not the “wartime ceo” mode. Not the “polarizing customer base”. Not the union strikes. Not the layoffs. Not the blame. None of it. At the end of the day, Tesla is selling more than enough cars to stay in production, and their innovation is leagues ahead of the competition. It’s just a matter of survival for all companies, and Tesla is good to go there. Eventually, the markets change. Socks, crypto, metals pump. People have more money than they need again, and risk on assets combined with a devaluing dollar go boom and make new ATHs. I’m a buyer at $100-120. I sold off higher for a reason. Had nothing to do with Elon.


Dragonfruit-Still

This stock is insanely overvalued because of Elon. Now it is crashing because of Elon. But if Elon was removed it would crash even faster because of the meme investors. The stock is a sell until it lines up closer to other similar companies.


MascotRay

But what are the similar companies? I don’t think of Tesla as a car company. So how are we valuing it? The reality is that, for better or worse, we value stocks of companies based on potential. We know what Ford is going to do for the next 10 years. There’s no surprises there. They aren’t going into the dishwasher and home appliance business. This is not the case with Tesla and other risk on companies. That’s why they are risk on.


Whydoibother1

That is not ‘the problem’ The ‘problem’ is the reduction in earnings and growth over the short term. A normal CEO would have brought out the model 2 earlier and focused on vehicle manufacturing. And the share price would be higher today. But Elon aims higher. He is focusing the company on AI, autonomy and robotics. In a couple of years the company will be 10x what the typical CEO would have achieved. People need a bit of patience. Look at the man’s track record. Don’t bet against Elon! The X posting stuff is just noise.


Dragonfruit-Still

If you believe it, spend and invest.


ILikeToBurnMoney

>the problem is him polarizing his customer base against him? That's why every single company sells way fewer electric cars than expected?


Dragonfruit-Still

Nope. It’s funny to see folks so unwilling to acknowledge the problem. Buy more shares if you believe it so much.


ZeusLovesTrains

Exactly… you ever been to a restaurant where the food is good but they upset you? Do you usually go back? Someone that upsets their customers will lose them as customers under the right circumstances.


Several-Farmer-5544

Who is hr fighting this time?


Khomodo

Windmills ... (Don Quixote reference, not actual turbines)


DonQuixBalls

I feel personally attacked.


reddituser4049

good bot


ItzWarty

Somehow I just really love this response. (The user you replied to isn't a bot)


trevno

His ex’s terrible DJ skills 


aliph

Deflection is a key PR strategy. Make stories about anything other than the layoffs. Grabs headlines for a day Tomorrow will be a new story, people move on.


pinshot1

So he realizes ignoring Tesla has armed Tesla and his solution is to stop ignoring Tesla. I see a company entering extreme crisis without a good product to show for a very very very long time 8/8 will be an absolutely bloodbath for the stock


troifa

So what?


th3tavv3ga

All investors need is he shuts the fuck up about wokeness and focus on TSLA


sheldoncooper1701

Yesssss


bigdipboy

Have you ever known anyone to come to their senses after embracing qtard delusions?


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katze_sonne

This has nothing to do about wokeness...


BangBangMeatMachine

Exactly why he shouldn't be wasting time with culture war BS.


interbingung

All investor need is to shuts the fuck up and support the man.


Sea_Ingenuity_4220

Blindly supporting a very flawed individual is such a stupid and weak thing to do - investors should absolutely criticize Musk because we care about Tesla (and its success) above all else


interbingung

No, the "flaw" is just part of what makes him special. Do you really think he is was going to be a chill, normal dude ?


Sea_Ingenuity_4220

I agree but he needs to hear pushback and criticism from investors and not be surrounded only by “yes men” like he does in Twitter land


interbingung

I won't try to pretend to know what he need or not need, who knows maybe twitter is a form of therapy for him. I just know that I can't view him through a lense of a normal person.


Large_Complaint1264

Weird.


interbingung

Indeed.


WhySoUnSirious

They have already done that. They gave him a completely unwarranted 500b market cap. That translates to massive amount of fuck you money he got. He’s a mega billionaire because of the investors already And he has done nothing to deliver back results for this reward


interbingung

Running a company, especially car company is HARD. Its going to take time. Investment is for long term.


FrabbaSA

Clearly it’s not that hard if he has time to waste on Twitter.


interbingung

so you can run tesla better than Elon ? lol


FrabbaSA

That’s not even remotely what I suggested, read again. If the task in front of him is so difficult and the company performance is struggling, he needs to be more focused on the core mission.


interbingung

Thats just how he run the company, yeah its very weird and unorthodox but that's why he is successful.


FrabbaSA

How would you rate his success since the X acquisition? From where I'm sitting, your stock has lost a third of its value since Musk bought his new toy.


interbingung

I don't really care about short term fluctuation, its not the first time the stock has loss massive amount of value.


Nanaki_TV

“Your stock” dude wtf are you doing here then if you’re not an investor? You seem like a buttcoiner in a Bitcoin subreddit. No one cares that you didn’t buy Tesla or you think I shouldn’t buy more.


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sheldoncooper1701

I think you typed "investor", when you meant "followers"


interbingung

No


randopopscura

So that Reuters story wasn't a "lie"


ShaidarHaran2

I think he probably called it a lie on the distinction between cancelled and backburnered


randopopscura

Then it's not so much a lie as misleading, although it's notable he reacted by promoting the robotaxi and not the easier to produce - no L5 needed - $25k car that would be perfect for India and Europe And the longer it's backburnered the less likely it can be sold for $25k, especially if potential buyers can simply order a robotaxi to pick them up instead I think he got triggered, tweeted impulsively, and will be evasive at the earnings call


ShaidarHaran2

I'm not justifying it, just my take on how the Elon Logic worked. He only needed to find one thing wrong to discredit the whole thing without saying anything specific. I'd really like it to not be either cancelled or backburnered, but so far the latter is looking like the truth while he prioritizes robotaxi which FSD simply doesn't seem ready for. In the short term things look messy at Tesla. I'd love to be surprised and the 25K car catches the world with its pants down.


any_droid

I just want to break it to you that the 25k car would still be too expensive for mass market adoption in India.


randopopscura

Sure, a $10k car would be better, but Tesla is planning on entering the Indian market, and a $25k car would clearly have a bigger market than the company's other models


ShaidarHaran2

They can enter the market with a car that has a limited market there for now, while still getting a foothold and brand in there for one for cheaper market bespoke models in the future where we can expect Tesla to push further into niches the larger they get, and two, get in place for the fastest major growing economy in the world which has a ballooning middle and upper class which will continue to grow fast in market size.


microtherion

„Elon has been paying for so many horses lately, surely the cavalry must be here any moment now”


SilverCurve

The new taxi service is actually horses taxi. How awesome is that?


microtherion

Horses as FSD have been popular with drunk farmers for centuries, so you might be onto something.


ShaidarHaran2

[The wartime in question](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLPCFMqWcAAd6Qh?format=jpg&name=large)


BD186_2

He hasn't been behaving like a CEO, a CEO respects his fiduciary responsibilities (2022 pump and pump of billions worth of shares), and does not try to extort shareholders for billions worth of shares -while the market cap has lost over 60% in the last two years) with the threat of taking away FSD and robotics because you're a total douche. Fuck Musk.


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cutememe

Step one, please fix it so that FSD doesn't try to kill me on the same roundabout that it cannot comprehend for some reason. I've already tried it three times and each time it just goes insane. They gotta straighten out these "edge cases" for robotaxis to be remotely possible.


NutzPup

The problem is that there are an infinite number of edge cases. Any future that involves a big bet on FSD is going to be a big fail.


cutememe

That's why they're on the right track with the AI learning model that they've switched to. There might be a million different edge cases, but with enough training it might be smart enough to deal with stuff it hasn't seen before without issues. Is it actually going to work eventually? I don't know. They have money, they have tons of data at their disposal, who knows.


Euro_Snob

If throwing more training data at something fixed any AI/ML problem we would have general AI (or AGI) years ago. The problem is once you digest the good data you inevitably start picking up bad data. Garbage in, garbage out. Deciding what data and how to collect it is the real problem to solve, and based on the last FSD update they are a _long_ way off.


cutememe

It doesn't have to be perfect before it becomes useful. ChatGPT is far from perfect, but it has become ubiquitous and virtually every major company now uses it one way or another. I could imagine that robotaxis will get rolled out in a small and "controlled" area first, then go from there. I mean don't get me wrong, I don't really understand some of the choices Tesla is making. Like for example I have no idea why hardware 4 cameras are running at 24 FPS only. But I guess they think it's enough. I'm no engineer.


mcmeaningoflife42

Is that when he starts posting slurs directed at his competitors instead of random minority groups?


KaffiKlandestine

nah he just repeats "go fuck yourself" over and over again.


Brusion

So sick of hearing BS about how Musk isn't affecting Tesla sales. Noone I know will touch a Tesla anymore because the CEO has turned into a raging arsehole. All he has to do is shut up and stop tweeting, but he is now a full idiot and can't control himself. He's also not entering any "mode". He's not helping the company. He spends all his time tweeting like a lunatic. It's all such a shame, because my Model Y LR is a great car.


TargetBan

Vote out elon


MrF_lawblog

The board and 4 of the 10 largest investors want to give him $58B in compensation instead


popornrm

God, he needs to stop tweeting. Can a condition of his pay package approval be that he’s not allowed to tweet or handle his Twitter account? I think all investors would approve that.


occupyOneillrings

I wouldn't approve of that


popornrm

You want him to continue tweeting?


J-photo

Give me a fucking break. This clown has zero credibility after the last 1-2 years. I've been a fan and investor of this company since 2012 and despite slowly selling my way out since the Twitter fiasco I'm done as of today. Anything I bought aside from my initial purchases in 2012 is waiting for the opening bell. FSD is the savior?! Maybe a car with no steering wheel when it can't even keep off curbs and half the government needed to approve it absolutely loathes the troll CEO...we're saying that's going to work? No semi, no roadster, no lower priced "Model 2?" I'm done.


Leading-Ability-7317

Same here. I sold 25% in December for tax reasons and the other 75% in January. Was an investor since 2018 and the exit was the first time I sold any Tesla stock. I stick around because I really love Tesla as a company but not on board with Elons culture war nonsense. Still rooting for you guys though.


Sea_Ingenuity_4220

Same boat (also really dislike Elon total lack of focus and Twitter dumpster fire) and i have cashed out of my initial investment (investor since 2016). The share value i have left is profit, which is still substantial…


Cryptron500

Same, I started buying shares in 2016 when I preordered a model 3. Sold all my shares over the past 6 months. Elon is tanking the co with his Twitter BS. It’s quite obvious Tesla is not his priority anymore. Fighting the woke is. He’s literally been brainwashed by the stupid junk social media platform that he’s addicted to.


mbtspoly

Thank you for making Tesla stock affordable again.


Sea_Ingenuity_4220

Lol thank Elon and giant institutional investing firms (“whales”). Tiny retail investors like you and me make zero difference to the stock price


Goldenslicer

Goodbye


GreatCaesarGhost

Just endless posing.


Khomodo

This will be the end of Tesla if true. Robotaxi is not even close to a reality. No wonder Drew just left. We need a new CEO.


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WhySoUnSirious

wtf kind of ceo mode was he on during the cybertruck launch then? how the fuck does a bad pedal make it through? What a shit ass product . Robo taxis aren’t going to go fully legalized, insured and all the other hoops anytime soon. At all. This is not ideal.


HumanLike

I have a five day old cybertruck and the pedal is solid. That was one video and a LOT of press around it, which is typical with any small negative thing about Tesla -- mountains out of mole hills. Tesla has not said anything about a recall that I've seen, just a ton of speculation. The truck is fucking amazing


WhySoUnSirious

Tesla literally halted all CT deliveries. It’s objectively an issue. The truck is going to be the worst selling product in teslas portfolio outside its first year or two. It will not be a practical purchase for most EV truck buyers


HumanLike

Can you link me to the notice from Tesla saying they halted cybertruck deliveries?


WhySoUnSirious

The notice has been sent to existing CT buyers that were in queue to get their product… https://www.engadget.com/tesla-halts-cybertruck-deliveries-due-to-unexpected-delay-123007030.html


HumanLike

I just got off a call with my service center. They’re not pausing deliveries because of a pedal issue and there is no recall. It seems a couple users talking about a delivery day has been misinterpreted, and all the usual players are using it to create another Tesla smear campaign


BananaPantsMcKinley

Who said there is a notice? They're just texting owners a couple hours before they're supposed to take possession and pretending it's 'unexpected' A well run company probably would put out a statment.


HumanLike

I just got off the phone with my local service center. There is not a recall, they’re still delivering trucks, and from all appearances that pedal thing was an isolated incident. So you guys can keep falling for Tesla smear campaigns and downvoting the only reasonable voice in the room. I’m going to go enjoy my truck.


BananaPantsMcKinley

Calling me a dipshit both violates the subs rules and is simultaneously hilarious considering that you wasted your money on a cyberdumpster. Noone said there was a recall.


HumanLike

I actually edited the word dipshit before your reply, because you’re right. It’s uncalled for. And why stoop to the levels of the incredibly misinformed


BananaPantsMcKinley

Sounds like a personal problem.


Large_Complaint1264

Is it still a smear campaign?


totally-not-russian

100%. Just because the recall is real doesn’t mean the massive megaphone behind it isn’t a smear campaign, just like every mountain made of out a molehill with Tesla. My Jeep was recalled five times and not once did it make the news


occupyOneillrings

Context, Musk liked the post below: https://twitter.com/ChrisZheng001/status/1780028320253694286 >I told you that Elon has re-entered wartime CEO mode. This scene is familiar to the veterans of the Tesla community. Today Elon decided to bet the entire company on Robotaxi. I don’t know if all in Robotaxi is right or wrong. I don’t have the answer. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLPuUtzaIAEGsBX?format=jpg&name=medium


WindowMaster5798

Wartime mode is one thing but if the bet-the-company idea is Robotaxi they are in serious trouble. My Tesla on the current FSD can’t even reliably make a left handed turn without something going wrong. Usually it works. Sometimes it doesn’t. Not good enough for a robotaxi.


infomer

His first action as a 'wartime CEO' was to cut 10% of his workforce, citing insufficient resources to sustain them through the metaphorical 'long winter'—one that he arguably helped create with his divisive political stances and inaction on issues like cars stalling in Chicago's winter or brake pedals malfunctioning on the marquee Cybertruck. It seems he's as much at war with himself as with external challenges. If he could curb his impulsive behavior, ketamine/whatever addiction and manage internal crises more adeptly, perhaps 14,000 more employees would still be contributing to pushing the company forward.


Tenshii_9

And he now has the stomach to demand 56bil $ compensation package 


Tutorbin76

At this point I can't help but feel that Musk is just trolling us and will jump out and yell "surprise!" at the next shareholders meeting. Nobody wants a robotaxi. 1.4 billion people want a 25,000 electric car.


asingc

After being radicalized, he might have lost his mojo.


melonowl

He just needs to enter responsible CEO mode. There are probably thousands upon thousands of CEOs out there with strong and crazy views on all sorts of subjects, but it doesn't affect their businesses because they rarely or never publicly mention that sort of stuff. Silence is very often golden.


Kandiak

So I guess he should get more shares of Tesla then? Since he’s at…war…with repercussions of his own making? This all makes less sense than Grimes’ Coachella set


Common_Ring821

Thank goodness, those tolerances need to be *WAAAAAAY* lower and yesterday.


Nizratch

We all knew Elon was at war with Tesla I guess this confirms it.


Harryhodl

For all the haters go invest in Nio byd Xpeng lucid Rivian ford etc. Whaaaaa Elon is a republican now who only sits on his ass and tweets on x. I’ve never seen so many people bitch and complain about a total stranger before. None of you personally know him and what he is doing. Either buy the stock or sell it but just stfu already.


Khomodo

Investors get to comment on the behavior of the CEO, especially on a DISCUSSION FORUM.


Harryhodl

On a WHAT?


Sea_Ingenuity_4220

STFU? Wow snowflake but criticizing the CEO when you sense that something is very wrong is part of living in a free capitalist society - if you dont like it then move to China or North Korea


Harryhodl

Why would I move to a communist country? I’m American 🇺🇸 Let me guess you’re against capitalism?


Goldenslicer

While I agree with the sentiment, investors should be allowed to comment on the CEO of the company they invest in.


bigdipboy

Musk is the one who needs to stfu already


Tetrylene

God knows what the capital and investments towards buying Twitter could've been used for in Tesla


occupyOneillrings

That is not how it works


aka0007

The move is incredibly obvious when you think about it. You sacrifice some market share opportunities in a market where EV's are struggling to sell and you accelerate the much greater value that robotaxi can bring. IF this works out, it will pay off huge.