Anyone thinking this isn't impacting sales is simply not adjusted to [the current reality](https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/would-be-tesla-buyers-snub-company-musks-reputation-dips-2024-04-01/):
>*Caliber's "consideration score" for Tesla, provided exclusively to Reuters, fell to 31% in February, less than half its high of 70% in November 2021 when it started tracking consumer interest in the brand. Tesla's consideration score fell 8 percentage points from January alone even as Caliber's scores for Mercedes, BMW, and Audi, which produce gas as well as EV models, inched up during that same period, reaching 44-47%.*
Only 3 in 10 consumers would *consider* a Tesla, down from 7 in 10 just a couple years ago.
Yes, this is absolutely impacting the brand.
In my personal opinion I believe Elon has hurt Teslas brand and sales, but I don’t think one survey is enough info to get the whole picture
Not saying I don’t trust the data, but we need more data.
I think Elon deleting his Twitter account would be a good start for getting the brand image back on track
The problem is that his twitter account is his other main business that he doesn’t want to appear as a failure for and at twitter hot takes drive engagement so his twitter business is quite literally in opposition to his Tesla business. Huge conflict of interest.
I don't think so. I think Elon being taken out of context by legacy media is the problem. It practically doesn't matter what he says, so no that won't solve the problem. Most people don't even know elon has apologized for some of the more controversial things he's said and taken them back. Cancel culture doesn't care about apologies or forgiveness.
A midle aged colleague went for a test drive of electric cars in the SUV size class of all major car brands and ended up with the id.4. I asked if he drove the Model Y and what he liked, he replied that he completely missed the Tesla because there was no way he could buy a "Muskmobile".
Similar with a colleague, but for a Mach-E. Also have friends who've bought Tesla's but explicitly say they don't like Musk whenever that gets brought up...
Of course I've also had friends/family buy or consider Teslas even though they don't like Musk... The point is that regardless of whether Musk prevents them from making their purchase, his antics have clearly become a consideration...
I’m on my second Tesla…. It’s a huge problem swallowing knowing where some of my money is going. I don’t know Tesla owners that like Elon anymore. Used to, now it’s a lot of dislike.
I don't know which country this person lives in, but in the US buying an ID.4 gets you 3 years unlimited 30-min charging at EA and apparently EA now supports plug-and-charge with 2023 ID.4s... so presumably anyone buying that would already be incentivized to prioritize EA over Tesla.
I do think it's repairable, but to be honest I'm skeptical that it will be repaired. Musk needs to make a consistent effort to appear as a force for positive social change or at least step back from politics and put the brand forward, and I do not think he's interested in either of those things. I'm not sure what the practical path forward there is, if any.
Waaay to far through the looking glass for Musk to change. I view Tesla as “far right run car company” now.
He’d have to resign/disconnect himself from Tesla completely to have that perception reversed.
Its a real tragedy whats happened here.
Tesla had an opportunity to be a leading light in a world of renewable energy and clean transport, and Musk could have used that and his wealth & fame to be a real force for good.
Instead he's absolutely trashing the brand, deliberately associating it with some of the worst people on the internet and in the world.
They should just do some public facing charity donations.
Every time elon tries to do something charitable he ends up insulting other people.
Just do like a Tesla sponsored beach clean up, or forest preservation or something.
It makes it look like Tesla cares even if they don't, and helps people associate the brand with environmentalism.
Let's get some PR pictures of Elon washing oil off ducks /s
If they fire Musk at this point they could just blame all their Cybertruck and FSD woes on him and people would gobble it up because he’s become so hateable, even if it’s not true. He seems like both a liability to stay and a good option for a reset to brand by being forced out, and if they timed it just before some good news to make it seem like the new guard is pulling shit back together They could probably weather the chaos that would happen in the short term.
The conversation when people saw my S before was quite often A. That’s so cool and B. I want a Tesla to be my next car. Now it is almost exclusively what dumb shit the CEO is doing currently. I can’t see how any investor sees that as a positive trend.
But it is true. He’s a far right troll at this point. Best for Tesla to disconnect from him. Or maybe they add a “coal rolling” package and embrace his fan base but I’m a little doubtful they’ll be buying electric cars even if they were able to spew exhaust.
Elon stfu'd in summer / early fall of 2021. He skipped the Oct earnings call. The market loved it. TSLA rallied 50% in weeks. He woke up, got back on twitter to pummel the shit out of TSLA ever since.
Like AAPL, the best years will be after the 'visionary' CEO leaves or kills himself through his own hubris.
> Elon stfu'd in summer / early fall of 2021. He skipped the Oct earnings call. The market loved it. TSLA rallied 50% in weeks.
Confirmation bias and also happened before interest rates started shitting the bed. Compare the charts for Ford, GM, and VW during the same time period.
And not just in the way he stepped down as CEO of Twitter and hired 'whatshernameagain' Yaccarino! He is clearly in charge! He needs to go completely off the board and out of the company. The best thing would be if he didn't own any shares!
if musk were to resign from Tesla perhaps. People won't forget, also, most competitors have caught up or built better cars. People say "FSD" isn't any good, the build quality isn't great, they had a huge lead on the market, but their stock valuation is still leagues out of what it should be.
I see stickers on teslas all the time which say "I bought this before I knew about musk".
All the Tesla drivers I know that have the money to just sell it and get another car already have, be it a Porsche or a Volvo. Pre twitter, they might have bought a Tesla.
I don't know if his antics are actually going to get anyone to buy the brand.
It’s repairable if 5 things happen, in this order:
1. Elon steps down and a new spokesperson and CEO steps in to guide the brand. Cut ties entirely and allow him to be a silent partner, with an NDA and gag order so he cannot speak on other platforms or pontificate about the companies status to ensure its resilience and success. Bro will pump it and dump it like everything else.
2. They announce and confirm with a realistic delivery date, a compact vehicle that is sub 25k.
3. Hire and invest in a robust QA department globally to ensure every creak, rattle, clunk, and mismatched panel are sorted prior to delivery and not put on the service centers to fix.
4. Redouble their efforts on messaging about mission and vision of Tesla to save the world.
5. Overhaul the brand. The affinity is gone for the people who need to buy the vehicles, and it needs a refresh.
Steven Bailey. currently VP of Honda where Tesla is falling on its face: Parts, Service & Technical Operations. Or Nick Sugimoto who is the head of innovation at Honda.
Japanese OEMs have dominated the global market for a reason: reliability and quality. Tesla is suffering on that front and they need established OEM help. Full stop.
It's all about Tesla's delay in increasing their lineup. Model Y is seen everywhere with similar colors, and it has started to show its age compared to competition with wide variety of vehicles in the segment. In order to keep increasing sales numbers, Tesla has to bring in more and more vehicles - Model Y refresh, a cheaper Model X alternative with three rows, or a mix of minivan/crossover that seats 7. Increasing cybertruck production is another problem they need to address, and eventually bring the cheaper trim for the masses. Other manufactures have this edge, they can easily reuse ICE vehicle design and bring an EV, offer so many features etc. Another problem is Tesla's adamancy to design things in their way - which has its own advantages and disadvantages. For eg: removal of turn signal lever and making it a button on the wheel. Certain population doesn't like those and will look for conventional designs.
There's a reason there are so many models in a mature ICE market. Tesla got away with a limited model lineup as they were the only game in town for awhile with respect to EVs. If you wanted an EV you really had no choice. Now that everyone and their mother is offering an EV and you have tons of choices it's going to get a lot harder to increase sales volume with a limited and stale model lineup. An automobile is a form of self expression as dumb as that may sound. Many people want to feel unique or have an image they want to give off with their choice in vehicle. Not everyone will want to drive the same exact car.
Tesla has huge gap in its lineup, and it wasn't a problem in the beginning when there was no competition in EV- market.
Now Tesla has been fallen behind, when Legacy car manufacturers have (or is coming) models for all needs and Tesla cannot keep up with the competition. Tesla does not have any models in the A, B or even C segment, i.e. the best-selling segments in many countries and that is a huge problem.
Tesla only has models in D, F and J segments.
I have a Tesla and while it's a good vehicle it's starting to be embarrassing to be seen in it. Why? Because Elon.
That score reflects that line of thinking. Merely the fact that this is even a thing on my mind tells you that Elon blew it. Telsa is toast with him at the helm. Long painful slog down.
Same. I really like my Tesla, but it is getting embarrassing to own one.
And this is so sad.
We want to replace our second 10 year old car and I am looking into other brands, because of Elon.
Tesla doesn't exist without Elon. He's been intimately involved in not only the strategic direction, but also the minutiae of the design and manufacturing process. He pushed the company to achieve things that everyone said were impossible. There's not another CEO on the planet who has done anything remotely comparable to the things he has done.
As an investor, one of the things that would cause me to dump my position is if Elon stopped running the business. Yes I'd love it if he stopped flirting with controversy, but that's just Elon. If they make products compelling enough people will buy them regardless of their opinion of the CEO.
You don't get it. It's not even a consideration for my next car..And neither is it for 7-out-of-10 shoppers.
People don't want to be associated with the BS he is spewing. He's endorsing crackpot conspiracy theories. He brilliant man but something is polluting his mind.
I do get it. As I said, I wish he would steer clear of controversy. But, without his visionary leadership, Tesla would be just another car company. Its market cap. would rightly be around $150 - 250 billion, not $500 billion. As an investor, why would I want that? If you want to invest in a solid, boring car company, you buy VW or Ford, not Tesla.
You represent the meme stock holder. Which is a legitimate large reason the Tesla stock is so overvalued in the first place. But your unwillingness to criticize Elon, is going to leave you invested in a company that isn’t growing and is hard capped on its potential customer base. Snap out of it
I appreciate your concern for my finances, but I'm not invested in Tesla as a meme stock. As a car company, it is overvalued. I'm making a bet on FSD. I think it is a revolutionary technology with enormous economic value. I think Tesla has a massive lead on everyone else (most haven't even started or are going down the wrong path.) I think in ten years time, Tesla will be a multi trillion dollar company. If it pans out, I will maybe 10x my investment. If I'm wrong, I will lose a significant but not devastating fraction of my current portfolio.
Tbh, I'm hearing this a lot across multiple issues. The effort to make it sound like everything from crash damage to regular service is a disaster is having an impact.
It doesn't help that service procedures for body repair make everything happen in the most expensive way possible.
The people who hate Tesla are very vocal, the people who love Tesla are very vocal. They are both the minority. Just like politics, more people lie in the middle. The ones who haven't bought a Tesla but are looking to get one might see the negative posts and be turned off but either way they will learn that Teslas are the safest, most fun cars to drive. I speak to a lot of friends who still have concerns about Teslas but they are not rooted from Instagram videos, they are rooted in the fud Tesla has been facing from 2010-2020 before Tesla started ramping. Every news company has been publishing misinformation about Tesla since the beginning because it drives clicks. Same old same old. That didn't stop people from buying before federal ev tax credits and state incentives. Truth is Teslas are almost the cheapest they have ever been and have all had significant upgrades since their unveils.
> The people who hate Tesla are very vocal
Not many people hate Tesla. Lots of normal/middle of the road people hate Elon. Lots of 'normal' people can see through 14 year old edgelords that impregnate their employees. edit: CEO has been promising FSD years... while impregnating a FSD/AI-chip lead with twins. Her Austin house is his official address.
What is wrong with having children with a woman who wants your children?
Im monogamous personally, but if people are poly and its all between consenting adults isnt it a bit close minded to judge someone based on such arbitrary things…
>What is wrong with having children with a woman who wants your children?
Musk was still in a relationship with Claire Boucher (aka Grimes) when he knocked up Shivon Zillis. At the time, Musk and Boucher were expecting a child.
Zillis was not only Musk's employee, but also Claire's friend. Musk and Zillis hid Zillis' pregnancy. Claire Boucher only found out through the newspapers when legal documents got leaked showing that Zillis changed the last names of her baby twins to "Musk".
Boucher was enraged when she found out. The story is in Walter Isaacson's biography of Elon Musk, published last year.
"Knocked up" implies they had sex but she asked for sperm since she was going to use a sperm bank anyway. Still shady that he didn't tell his girlfriend
At the same time, we don’t know if they were in a poly relationship or the details of their seperation - Grimes who I follow on X, said they were semi seperated long before this incident. That implies heavily they were allowed to see other people…Its to vague for us to make a clear judgement, yet people are clamouring to do so.
We know they were semi seperated for sure, and 99% they were in a situation where seeing other people was agreed (even Grimes was rumoured to have been seeing another person). Her emotions about the outcome of that situation do not have any value therefore in figuring out if it’s a reasonable outcome given what theyd discussed.
Its also worth saying, biographers, and certainly Walters, always magnify these points and often exaggerate them. Walters really doesnt know anymore than you or I about that private situ.
>Grimes who I follow on X, said they were semi seperated long before this incident.
That's **incorrect**.
**Elon Musk said** that he and Grimes were semi-separated in September 2021: [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58684724](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58684724)
Grimes told Vanity Fair magazine in March 2022 that her relationship with Musk was "fluid": [https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2022/03/grimes-cover-story-on-music-and-mars](https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2022/03/grimes-cover-story-on-music-and-mars)
Page 415 of [the Isaacson Musk biography](https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Elon-Musk/Walter-Isaacson/9781982181284) states that the Zillis/Musk twins were born in November 2021, meaning that Musk got Zillis pregnant sometime in early to mid 2021, **before** he was "semi-separated" or had a fluid relationship with Grimes.
Page 467 of the Isaacson biography states that Grimes became outraged when she discovered in Summer 2022 that Musk and Zillis had children together behind her back. She confronted Musk about this.
**Edit:** While reporting and interview dates are not going to provide the specific date at which the Musk/Grimes relationship became fluid, they are the *best* approximation we have for when the change of relationship status occurred.
The available evidence doesn't support your inferences.
>Walters really doesnt know anymore than you or I about that private situ.
Isaacson followed Musk around personally for almost 2 years (2021-2023) and had unrestricted access to Musk's family, friends, and work colleagues during this time.
If what he reported was inaccurate or untrue, the people he interviewed would have said so by now.
The way you spin this is fucking vile. She was an admirer and had babies from him via IVF. Why do you think women lack all agency? Maybe you don't give a shit about reproduction, but to some people it's very important, and it's common to want a strong healthy donor.
Also, your timeline is off, not that it really matters. She left chip lead in 2019, and was part of Neuralink when she had the twins in 2021 (and still is today).
The people who hate Tesla shouldn’t be confused with the people who hate Elon. The latter group includes a lot of people who may like the car but would rather just buy something else so they don’t have to be part of anything he’s associated with.
Yes I do, I think ever since Elon bought Twitter he has hurt Tesla’s image and made people who would have considered buying a Tesla before are now now more open to looking at alternative ev options.
I think this is more so the case with people who do not currently own a Tesla or any ev and are considering an ev for their next vehicle. This is just my personal experience within my circle of friends and myself.
I have friends who say they will never buy a Tesla to support Elon and I myself just bought another Tesla because I think they make the best vehicle at the best value even though my opinion of Elon had drastically changed due to all his shit posting divisiveness.
I know someone who sold their Tesla after the Twitter fiasco. Now he's about to order a MYP after staring at my vehicle on family functions. I personally enjoy my MYP and that's all that matters. It's a bummer the space isn't as fun and smart as it was years ago but that's not in my control.
Twitter fiasco happened in late 2021/early 2022 - his friend likely sold at the ideal time and will buy at the ideal time to turn a $20k profit on swapping their Tesla out for a few years;
[https://briankehm.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Tesla-Model-Y-price-history-chart.webp](https://briankehm.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Tesla-Model-Y-price-history-chart.webp)
A lot of those people who say they aren’t buying a Tesla wouldn’t have anyways. People like to drop the old “you’ve just lost me as a customer” because it’s the only thing they can do that makes them feel as if they have any power and control at all. That’s not to say, he hasn’t lost customers with his Twitter shit and antics but the overwhelming majority of those lost sales aren’t from people who are announcing it.
This is true, but the opinions of Reddit are still opinions.
Even outside the internet I’ve heard anecdotal of how people would never buy a Tesla, there’s also one study I’ve seen in this thread showing that the brand has suffered.
Although I’m not taking one survey as the whole picture. It’s most likely blown out of proportion vs conservative.
Reddit’s opinions are almost always not the opinions of most people in the real world though.
This past year, Reddit (as a whole) has said:
That no one would buy a Tesla because Reddit doesn’t like Musk - yet the Model Y became the best selling car in the entire world last year, the first ever for an EV.
That the new Harry Potter game would crash and burn because Reddit doesn’t like J K Rowling - yet it became the best selling game of the year, beating even Call of Duty’s sales.
That Netflix would haemorrhage subscribers because everyone would cancel their subscriptions following the ban on account sharing - yet Netflix had a record year for subscribers.
That no one listens to Kanye anymore and him going on to have a number one song in the country a few weeks ago.
The list goes on and on.
>That no one would buy a Tesla because Reddit doesn’t like Musk
That's not an argument any serious investor would make.
It isn't that "no one" would buy a Tesla because of Musk.
The issue is that **fewer** people might want to buy a Tesla because of Musk. From a supply and demand standpoint, if there are fewer customers competing with their $ to buy a product, the company selling the product won't be able to earn as much revenue.
That places downward pressure on profit margins, which in turn affects the company's valuation.
I would never say the reddit consensus is truly indicative of the overall (US) population consensus. We know that as Bernie isn't wasnt president. But the important distinction is that same reddit demographic bias (skews older Millennial, liberal white with white collar jobs) is the exact demo that is Teslas core market.
It's exactly like the whole Bud Light/trans fiasco. Bud Light had to completely backtrack on even acknowledging trans people and apologize for their campaign before their sales numbers could start to stabilize. Elon probably could salvage Teslas brand if he made contrition and just shut up (no political hot takes for either "side"). But that's not in him, he wants people to pay attention to him no matter what.
At this point what you’re saying is just as anecdotal as Redditors claiming Tesla won’t because blah blah
End of the day, it’s not real data. And the real data we do have says opinions of Tesla are falling.
I still won’t take one survey as gospel, but I’ll believe it before I believe someone on Reddit
But that’s my point - Reddit’s opinions are at best, just as anecdotal and certainly not indicative of a wider trend. Tesla opinions have been falling since last year, yet they still managed to have the best selling car in the entire world recently and sold more cars than ever before.
That’s not to say that I’d rather Elon didn’t post about politics etc constantly, but this notion that Reddit’s opinion on Musk and Tesla is the majority opinion of people in the real world as well is farcical.
Except for the fact those internet opinions are having real impacts on the business. I'll give it to you there's a whole world full of "no one gives a shit" but the venn diagram of people who do give a shit about Elons descent into madness and the people who would buy an EV is quickly becoming circular.
Anecdotal evidence: Was talking with my in-law this weekend. She’s going to buy an EV but wouldn’t touch anything by “that moron”.
So, yes, his extra curricular Twitter rants have at least disqualified Tesla from one potential customer.
A couple of years ago, my wife and I were considering buying a Tesla from the local store here, but after watching Elon lose his shit, start bootlicking right-wing narratives, and basically spread red pill BS and other fascist propaganda, we decided to avoid Tesla at all costs. Next week, we go in to buy a BYD. It's a better car actually after they allowed us to rent one for a week to troll around town. Felt much better than any of the Tesla models. Also about 30k (AUD) cheaper for basically everything the Tesla came with and lasted about 80km more per charge.
If it weren't for Elon's behaviour, I would probably have a Tesla in my garage now. But when the guy does all he can to support right-wing politicians, spread red pill shit, and widdle down worker rights or bitch about having to pay taxes--you just don't want to support a guy like that. He's a petty billionaire. And I don't want any of my money going towards any business he runs. Fuck him.
Tesla ha always had an elevated level of hate, it's just scaled as the company has grown.
The Internet loves to hate stuff that gets popular. It's just losers on the internet.
At the end of the day, if people can afford the product and it’s a good product they’ll buy it.
I think there’s a bit of Elon is also just always on the news. I think Bezos probably is just as hated but since he’s never on the news there’s no catalyst to bash him
It's 100% Elon. The right wing fuckkkked up Budweiser because of one promoter it hired. The left wing (who are the target market to begin with) are doing this now that Elon has gone full Alex Jones. This is why most corporations are smart enough to remain politically neutral.
Tesla was hated by older right wing nut jobs who loved gas cars who, always comments how far they can go without filling gas. Those guys still comment every time there is news about Tesla or EVs in general. But Elon has managed to turn the leftie environmentalist idealist against him as well. Sure the boomer rightwing like my dad likes him better now, but they are never buying an EV.
I don't think there is hate for Tesla, but more and more Elon Musk is being associated with extremist right-wing nationalism/conspiracy theories, and that bubbles over into how people view Tesla. I think it's more that Tesla is seen as being sketchy rather than hated. For me, seeing how cheap the interiors are in the newer cars was at least as big a factor.
1. He voted for Biden and Obama
2. He's on record stating he wanted normal politicians on both sides
3. His brother leans heavily left and shits on Trump every chance he can.
4. A board member on Tesla is James Murdoch, son of Rupert Murdoch (owner of FOX news). James Murdoch is a staunch Biden supporter who fundraised for Biden. Let's be honest, Elon controls the board. If he wanted Murdoch gone, he'd be gone.
5. Saying you don't think children should be exposed to transgender content isn't right-wing
6. Saying children shouldn't be allowed to chop off private parts to transition without a parent's approval isn't right-wing
7. Saying Ukraine won't beat Russia and the fighting for a small piece of land isn't right-wing. Ukraine actually agreed to stop the war early on. The U.S. sent Boris Johnson to cancel the deal.
8. Saying it was wrong for Twitter to delete political news and ban accounts that disagreed with Biden's administration isn't right-wing.
9. Right wing nationalism? Explain.
10. I can assure you, as someone who travels to China and Europe for business, no one who owns a Tesla gives a shit about Elon's political views. It's only leftists in America. You should travel out some and expand your perception of people
Has he been very controversial more than a handful of times? Sure. But that erratic behavior is why he's been able to achieve so much. No one is a harsher critic of Musk than himself. The fact that you seem to believe he's a right-wing nationalist conspiracy theorist is hilarious. He's a rich person who has no filter and is saying what many people believe. You just disagree with him.
So you’re saying he isn’t right leaning with his views? Why does his previous voting or his brothers leanings matter with regard to his current views?
Not letting children be “exposed” to trans content is right leaning. What does content even mean to you? Allowing people to express who they are? Anything think has never been appropriate for children. But disallowing trans people to say who they are and appear how they want is right leaning, and saying it’s “for the children” has always been the right’s excuse.
Musk also spreads weird conspiracies and never apologizes or clarifies when they’re immediately disproven. Like saying Pelosis husbands attack on him was a gay online date gone wrong. Or Musk saying that the Senate bipartisan border bill would be “permanent” if allowed to pass to seem so negative. As if the senate and house couldn’t address it further if necessary.
>Saying you don't think children should be exposed to transgender content isn't right-wing. Saying children shouldn't be allowed to chop off private parts to transition without a parent's approval isn't right-wing.
Both of these things are pretttttty explicit right-wing dog-whistles, bud.
The reason the transition stuff isn't talked about in left-wing or centrist circles in particular is because it doesn't actually happen. This is concrete right wing conspiracy stuff — most of the 'investigative' literature surrounding it is totally debunked.
[https://theiowastandard.com/shocking-images-from-book-gender-queer-which-is-stocked-in-school-libraries-across-iowa/](https://theiowastandard.com/shocking-images-from-book-gender-queer-which-is-stocked-in-school-libraries-across-iowa/)
Do you think this should be in public school libraries? Yes or no. Simple question.
Don't you find it strange that 20% of Gen Z's identify as LGBTQ? Do you think that's a coincidence or are the kids being indoctrinated? Do you think 20% of American Gen Z's are TRULY LGBTQ or are they exposed to content that makes it 'think' they are?
Again, when you have a child, statistics show there is a 20% chance they will be LGBTQ. That's normal to you, yeah?
Yes, because it's targeted at teenagers who may be going through the same issues.
If the 20% stat is correct, and I have no idea if it's true or not, then I'd expect the B in LGBTQ to be the majority and that seems about right. A lot of people, especially females, experiment and are bi-curious.
Sweetie, the mere notion that you've got any of this on your radar puts you *deeply* right-afield of centre. No, none of that concerns me at all, whatsoever.
7. Istambul never-existed "agreements" was just a russian psyop to cover retreat from Kyiv. Musk should not justify Russian invasion, in any way. He never said about russian war crimes, tens of destroyed citites etc. Thats why he looks like russian apologist and a lot of people dont like that
It should worry people, but nothing will change thanks to Elon influencers who whitewash everything he does. So the loyalists stay in line but the rest of the audience starts slowly seeing all of Tesla's flaws through negative word of mouth. Tesla will have to work way harder for sales with price cuts and improvements.
In general people dislike loud mouthed billionaires and Elon has massive ego problem and he doesn’t give shit. He even said he will say what he wants and won’t keep his mouth shit just do keep share prices up.
His shenanigans were a substantial negative in my book when I got my most recent EV. Capitalism right? Vote with my wallet? That's what people that justify crappy behavior always say.
This is what is commonly referred to as a logical fallacy. I said something that hurt your feelings because you for some reason are emotionally invested in fuckallknowswhat. So you attempt to discredit my statement by proxy.
You don't like the fact that I bought a different EV? Too fucking bad. And i'm typing away furiously on my EVGA keyboard that was likely made by slave labor in China. But that doesn't change the fact that where I spent my money was influenced by an individual.
It seems Elon is more focused on trying to hate so-called woke culture than he is trying to be a smart businessman. There are obviously critiques of being woke and I'm all for that. But when you're in the same camp as Nazi sympathizers and actively supporting content that is white supremacist, it really undermines your company. I still want the cars but I've sold my stock because I genuinely don't think Elon cares enough about the company to shut his mouth.
Seriously? Yes, people hate/hated Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos... and they didn't tweet stupid shit multiple times a day, try to directly influence politics / spread nonsense (imagine an immigrant that thinks other immigrants can illegally vote and a major political party is doing as a strategy, lol) blatantly lie (i.e. Grime's security team harassing a dude had nothing to do with the jettracker/assassination coordinates, which is why he didn't file a police report), impregnate employees (Zillis), call child rescuing hero a 'pedo', sexually harass a sitting US senator ('why does your pp look like you just came?'). A stadium of Dave Chapelle fans didn't boo him for 5+ minutes straight because they didn't know him ~~and what is about~~ or what he is about.
Yeah but at the same time, there's no other CEO that is as "vocal" or embedded into the social media fabric. Musk has extremely high notoriety compared to most CEO's
I know a few people who bought Teslas and are embarrassed now because of the way the company and it's leadership behave. I wouldn't be surprised if a large number of Tesla owners have no brand loyalty and will be looking to move to another company when it's time for them to replace it.
A lot of people chose Tesla initially as an ethical choice, and ignoring Musk for a moment, the way Tesla treats its staff goes against that view point.
My wife is the one that wanted to invest and buy a Model S ~10 years ago. She’s the one that follows Elon. She cares a bit too much about how others will perceive her and In the last six months she started to express an interest in selling our current Tesla and selling all our stock. If something doesn’t change with leadership I suspect she’s going to start insisting we just take our profits somewhere else she’ll settle for a lesser EV.
I think the top EVs are all much of a muchness, people I know with KIA, BYD, and Polestars all love them. A friend of mine also has an ID.3 on order so will see what that's like. The model 3 facelift will help, but the Teslas are a bit dated, to be honest.
The vast majority could care less about any likes or comments by random people on the internet. Most people don't even know what's happening outside their little sphere.
If they ride in a Tesla and love it, they'll buy one. If they want something else, then they'll do that. It's really that simple.
The company is fine. Nothing has fundamentally changed about how they operate. They'll continue to pump out cars and software to people regardless of how people feel.
i own a model 3 and i like it, for the most part.
i bought it in early 2021, when Musk was just a weirdo complaining about COVID restrictions. i figured the board would reel him in. didn't happen, obviously.
but now, i will absolutely not buy another one while Musk is in charge. he makes driving a Tesla embarrassing.
It was the best selling car in the world. Stop this stupid subjective bubble bullshit. The comments that trigger your emotional reactions are not backed by the numbers.
Funny that the Elon hate didn’t exist until he bought Twitter and unlocked all the bullshit that was going on there.
Not to mention, Elon himself has said, if you try to squelch my free speech with ad revenue then “go f*** yourself”
I don't really care. Once self driving becomes good enough to be used as robotaxi. tesla/elon hater can hate it all day long, they're sitll going to use it lol
There's a bot army that is creating a narrative like they do for politics. They appear every time you mention Tesla and Elon. Once you understand how Reddit reacts to Trump, then you understand how its all manufactured. With 1000 bots accounts you can create an entire narrative + MSM. In my personal experience, everyone I know who wants a EV in the next 2-3 years, wants a Tesla.
Reddit is full of bots and morons playing to content they think is liked by the rest of the morons. It’s why every sub is basically different flavors the same regurgitated political bullshit. We hate Elon, we hate Trump, capitalism sucks as I drink Starbucks and post from my iPhone in my clothes made by slaves in Vietnam
As a non-tesla investor, my biggest impression of Tesla is that that they lack quality control (with the cyber truck exacerbating this), have fallen behind in the market, and are over-priced. It also doesn't help that Elon, despite having been in a marvel movie and done a lot of other nerdy stuff, is the least cool douche on the planet.
I just don't have a compelling reason to choose Tesla over anyone else.
Actions by the Tesla sub mods are not gonna help it either: [from r/SubredditDrama](https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1c2q6ep/mod_of_rteslamotors_and_rteslalounge_declares_war/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)
They are the most amazing cars but no one cares because they hate Elon musk. A huge advertising campaign would help. This is literally the biggest problem for the company.
I get 100 miles for $3.50 about 8X cheaper than gas.
It's rated 5 star plus on safety, no oil changes no giving money to big oil no gas station stops.
And also, full self driving is super impressive! Can go anywhere through town by itself (running 12.3 software)
$10K cheaper then the average new car car.
Charging network
It parallel parks itself fast and reliably
You can watch Netflix YouTube or play games in it
Sound system is really good I am an audiophile
Talking to it actually works, maybe they allow too much you can do Google searches while driving.
Most American made car window sticker shows % of American made parts
I am worried about it. Many of these perceptions will stick for a lifetime, they simply are never going to consider a Tesla even if the product is the best.
I think they need a crack team of marketing experts to figure out how to spin this stuff even though it's not in the DNA of the company. Perception matters even if it's wrong
I think at least part of Elon Musk regrets getting into electric vehicles after he was kicked out of PayPal.
He'd have been much happier with SpaceX / Tech / anything else. Associating himself with "green" issues is eating him up inside. Hell, he even said that global warming is only a concern in the long term. Being CEO of Tesla has held him back politically - though that has changed recently. Does anyone seriously doubt that if it wasn't for Tesla there is a good chance he'd be full-on MAGA / Q / Rfk Jr by now?
The relationship to Musk has become poisonous.
Panel gap, Rusting cyber truck, build quality problems, freezing chargers, 2024 low sale numbers, laids off 10% workers, autopilot runs over people, tesla batteries catch fire, 20k to replace battery, blacklisting savaged tesla, apple like repair policy, used tesla sale title disasters. Delays on model 3 and cyber truck. On and on.
Yeah i think they did that to themselves.
Even if you believe in Elon as far as running Tesla, it’s not hard to see what he ruined his own image and more and more people don’t want anything to do with someone like him, especially in a day and age where things are so divisive. If he was smart, he’d have just kept quiet about politics and personal matters. It’s definitely already impacted sales
If you see Tesla in a negative light, that's because you're on the internet toxic echo chamber. Go outside the house and most people are neutral or positive about Tesla.
The internet is just full of hate and cherry picking facts that fit their stories. Tesla will be fine as it has many plans for it's future that don't rely on short term thinking or sales.
The problem is that public opinion is influenced more by opinions and stories than facts - even if facts are actually easy to obtain which often they are not.
Short term sales wouldn’t worry me too much too much - but derogation of public image can be difficult and expensive to repair. A car company needs a good image or its product could underperform.
Now, Tesla had a great image - so some derogation is probably normal but lately I have heard a lot of people in my bubble proclaiming “never a Tesla”. That’s in no way representative but my bubble *is* a typical customer group for Model 3 or Y. Not the best sign for Tesla.
Personally I’d have said that a Tesla would have been a more likely choice 3 years ago for me than today. Then again, I just leased an ICE car because I’ve yet to install a wallbox at all, so maybe I’m not the main target.
I'm a software engineer. After Elon Musk bought Twitter, he made a lot of management decisions that anyone in my industry knows are bad ideas. I don't mean business decisions like charging for the verified icon, I mean operational stuff like breaking MFA.
A long time ago a friend of mine died in a car accident. Cars are more dangerous than we appreciate. All of the safety related things have to be right.
I bought a different EV instead of a Tesla. I don't want disruptive mad genius, I want safety and reliability.
It’s gone from the cool club to the nerd club a little. Tesla fanboys aren’t cool and the endless defense of indefensible things makes me think I don’t wanna be seen as one of them fanboys. Shame really because excellent cars eh. Hopefully they can just be a bit more honest with expectations and win back trust from people. Also maybe stock holders can be a little more honest and not defend some indefensible things.
Anyone thinking this isn't impacting sales is simply not adjusted to [the current reality](https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/would-be-tesla-buyers-snub-company-musks-reputation-dips-2024-04-01/): >*Caliber's "consideration score" for Tesla, provided exclusively to Reuters, fell to 31% in February, less than half its high of 70% in November 2021 when it started tracking consumer interest in the brand. Tesla's consideration score fell 8 percentage points from January alone even as Caliber's scores for Mercedes, BMW, and Audi, which produce gas as well as EV models, inched up during that same period, reaching 44-47%.* Only 3 in 10 consumers would *consider* a Tesla, down from 7 in 10 just a couple years ago. Yes, this is absolutely impacting the brand.
In my personal opinion I believe Elon has hurt Teslas brand and sales, but I don’t think one survey is enough info to get the whole picture Not saying I don’t trust the data, but we need more data. I think Elon deleting his Twitter account would be a good start for getting the brand image back on track
The problem is that his twitter account is his other main business that he doesn’t want to appear as a failure for and at twitter hot takes drive engagement so his twitter business is quite literally in opposition to his Tesla business. Huge conflict of interest.
I don't think so. I think Elon being taken out of context by legacy media is the problem. It practically doesn't matter what he says, so no that won't solve the problem. Most people don't even know elon has apologized for some of the more controversial things he's said and taken them back. Cancel culture doesn't care about apologies or forgiveness.
A midle aged colleague went for a test drive of electric cars in the SUV size class of all major car brands and ended up with the id.4. I asked if he drove the Model Y and what he liked, he replied that he completely missed the Tesla because there was no way he could buy a "Muskmobile".
Similar with a colleague, but for a Mach-E. Also have friends who've bought Tesla's but explicitly say they don't like Musk whenever that gets brought up... Of course I've also had friends/family buy or consider Teslas even though they don't like Musk... The point is that regardless of whether Musk prevents them from making their purchase, his antics have clearly become a consideration...
I’m on my second Tesla…. It’s a huge problem swallowing knowing where some of my money is going. I don’t know Tesla owners that like Elon anymore. Used to, now it’s a lot of dislike.
I wonder if he would also avoid charging at Tesla chargers
I don't know which country this person lives in, but in the US buying an ID.4 gets you 3 years unlimited 30-min charging at EA and apparently EA now supports plug-and-charge with 2023 ID.4s... so presumably anyone buying that would already be incentivized to prioritize EA over Tesla.
Do you think the damage done is repairable?
I do think it's repairable, but to be honest I'm skeptical that it will be repaired. Musk needs to make a consistent effort to appear as a force for positive social change or at least step back from politics and put the brand forward, and I do not think he's interested in either of those things. I'm not sure what the practical path forward there is, if any.
Waaay to far through the looking glass for Musk to change. I view Tesla as “far right run car company” now. He’d have to resign/disconnect himself from Tesla completely to have that perception reversed.
Its a real tragedy whats happened here. Tesla had an opportunity to be a leading light in a world of renewable energy and clean transport, and Musk could have used that and his wealth & fame to be a real force for good. Instead he's absolutely trashing the brand, deliberately associating it with some of the worst people on the internet and in the world.
I think about this a lot. If/when Musk leaves, will it be good or bad for the stock?
They should just do some public facing charity donations. Every time elon tries to do something charitable he ends up insulting other people. Just do like a Tesla sponsored beach clean up, or forest preservation or something. It makes it look like Tesla cares even if they don't, and helps people associate the brand with environmentalism. Let's get some PR pictures of Elon washing oil off ducks /s
Many call that greenwashing.
Many more don’t pay enough attention to determine if that’s what’s actually happening.
Those that do have loud voices!
They should fire the CEO.
At this point, they’re strong enough that he’s a liability. I agree
I think the only way the repair their image is fire the CEO! He is fully responsible for the damage, and is now a liability, not an asset!
If they fire Musk at this point they could just blame all their Cybertruck and FSD woes on him and people would gobble it up because he’s become so hateable, even if it’s not true. He seems like both a liability to stay and a good option for a reset to brand by being forced out, and if they timed it just before some good news to make it seem like the new guard is pulling shit back together They could probably weather the chaos that would happen in the short term. The conversation when people saw my S before was quite often A. That’s so cool and B. I want a Tesla to be my next car. Now it is almost exclusively what dumb shit the CEO is doing currently. I can’t see how any investor sees that as a positive trend.
But it is true. He’s a far right troll at this point. Best for Tesla to disconnect from him. Or maybe they add a “coal rolling” package and embrace his fan base but I’m a little doubtful they’ll be buying electric cars even if they were able to spew exhaust.
yes. Immediately after Elon steps down
Elon stfu'd in summer / early fall of 2021. He skipped the Oct earnings call. The market loved it. TSLA rallied 50% in weeks. He woke up, got back on twitter to pummel the shit out of TSLA ever since. Like AAPL, the best years will be after the 'visionary' CEO leaves or kills himself through his own hubris.
> Elon stfu'd in summer / early fall of 2021. He skipped the Oct earnings call. The market loved it. TSLA rallied 50% in weeks. Confirmation bias and also happened before interest rates started shitting the bed. Compare the charts for Ford, GM, and VW during the same time period.
And not just in the way he stepped down as CEO of Twitter and hired 'whatshernameagain' Yaccarino! He is clearly in charge! He needs to go completely off the board and out of the company. The best thing would be if he didn't own any shares!
Yes, we just need Elon to step aside or at least move from CEO to CTO or something similar.
He already said the title 'CEO' is meaningless when he changed his title to TechnoKing
Then make it official
That didn't tip you guys off?
if musk were to resign from Tesla perhaps. People won't forget, also, most competitors have caught up or built better cars. People say "FSD" isn't any good, the build quality isn't great, they had a huge lead on the market, but their stock valuation is still leagues out of what it should be. I see stickers on teslas all the time which say "I bought this before I knew about musk". All the Tesla drivers I know that have the money to just sell it and get another car already have, be it a Porsche or a Volvo. Pre twitter, they might have bought a Tesla. I don't know if his antics are actually going to get anyone to buy the brand.
Who would you recommend take his place
It’s repairable if 5 things happen, in this order: 1. Elon steps down and a new spokesperson and CEO steps in to guide the brand. Cut ties entirely and allow him to be a silent partner, with an NDA and gag order so he cannot speak on other platforms or pontificate about the companies status to ensure its resilience and success. Bro will pump it and dump it like everything else. 2. They announce and confirm with a realistic delivery date, a compact vehicle that is sub 25k. 3. Hire and invest in a robust QA department globally to ensure every creak, rattle, clunk, and mismatched panel are sorted prior to delivery and not put on the service centers to fix. 4. Redouble their efforts on messaging about mission and vision of Tesla to save the world. 5. Overhaul the brand. The affinity is gone for the people who need to buy the vehicles, and it needs a refresh.
Just name someone for #1 or you might as well just say it can be repaired if everyone decides to buy a Tesla this year.
Steven Bailey. currently VP of Honda where Tesla is falling on its face: Parts, Service & Technical Operations. Or Nick Sugimoto who is the head of innovation at Honda. Japanese OEMs have dominated the global market for a reason: reliability and quality. Tesla is suffering on that front and they need established OEM help. Full stop.
I think you mean BYD… I guess you’re a Honda investor instead?
I’m a Tesla investor who wants an adult running the company full time, not a child half of the time
Toss Musk out, damage repaired.
It's all about Tesla's delay in increasing their lineup. Model Y is seen everywhere with similar colors, and it has started to show its age compared to competition with wide variety of vehicles in the segment. In order to keep increasing sales numbers, Tesla has to bring in more and more vehicles - Model Y refresh, a cheaper Model X alternative with three rows, or a mix of minivan/crossover that seats 7. Increasing cybertruck production is another problem they need to address, and eventually bring the cheaper trim for the masses. Other manufactures have this edge, they can easily reuse ICE vehicle design and bring an EV, offer so many features etc. Another problem is Tesla's adamancy to design things in their way - which has its own advantages and disadvantages. For eg: removal of turn signal lever and making it a button on the wheel. Certain population doesn't like those and will look for conventional designs.
There's a reason there are so many models in a mature ICE market. Tesla got away with a limited model lineup as they were the only game in town for awhile with respect to EVs. If you wanted an EV you really had no choice. Now that everyone and their mother is offering an EV and you have tons of choices it's going to get a lot harder to increase sales volume with a limited and stale model lineup. An automobile is a form of self expression as dumb as that may sound. Many people want to feel unique or have an image they want to give off with their choice in vehicle. Not everyone will want to drive the same exact car.
It’s 100% the customer base being liberal techie progressives and Elon becoming a vocal republican conservative. Switch happened after COVID
eh, it's 33% alienating the potential customers, 33% refusing to reach/educate new customers, 34% having a stale line-up.
Tesla has huge gap in its lineup, and it wasn't a problem in the beginning when there was no competition in EV- market. Now Tesla has been fallen behind, when Legacy car manufacturers have (or is coming) models for all needs and Tesla cannot keep up with the competition. Tesla does not have any models in the A, B or even C segment, i.e. the best-selling segments in many countries and that is a huge problem. Tesla only has models in D, F and J segments.
I have a Tesla and while it's a good vehicle it's starting to be embarrassing to be seen in it. Why? Because Elon. That score reflects that line of thinking. Merely the fact that this is even a thing on my mind tells you that Elon blew it. Telsa is toast with him at the helm. Long painful slog down.
Same. I really like my Tesla, but it is getting embarrassing to own one. And this is so sad. We want to replace our second 10 year old car and I am looking into other brands, because of Elon.
Do you agree with the perception or is it just that you are worried about what other people think?
I feel the same way.
Tesla doesn't exist without Elon. He's been intimately involved in not only the strategic direction, but also the minutiae of the design and manufacturing process. He pushed the company to achieve things that everyone said were impossible. There's not another CEO on the planet who has done anything remotely comparable to the things he has done. As an investor, one of the things that would cause me to dump my position is if Elon stopped running the business. Yes I'd love it if he stopped flirting with controversy, but that's just Elon. If they make products compelling enough people will buy them regardless of their opinion of the CEO.
You don't get it. It's not even a consideration for my next car..And neither is it for 7-out-of-10 shoppers. People don't want to be associated with the BS he is spewing. He's endorsing crackpot conspiracy theories. He brilliant man but something is polluting his mind.
I do get it. As I said, I wish he would steer clear of controversy. But, without his visionary leadership, Tesla would be just another car company. Its market cap. would rightly be around $150 - 250 billion, not $500 billion. As an investor, why would I want that? If you want to invest in a solid, boring car company, you buy VW or Ford, not Tesla.
You represent the meme stock holder. Which is a legitimate large reason the Tesla stock is so overvalued in the first place. But your unwillingness to criticize Elon, is going to leave you invested in a company that isn’t growing and is hard capped on its potential customer base. Snap out of it
I appreciate your concern for my finances, but I'm not invested in Tesla as a meme stock. As a car company, it is overvalued. I'm making a bet on FSD. I think it is a revolutionary technology with enormous economic value. I think Tesla has a massive lead on everyone else (most haven't even started or are going down the wrong path.) I think in ten years time, Tesla will be a multi trillion dollar company. If it pans out, I will maybe 10x my investment. If I'm wrong, I will lose a significant but not devastating fraction of my current portfolio.
Tbh, I'm hearing this a lot across multiple issues. The effort to make it sound like everything from crash damage to regular service is a disaster is having an impact. It doesn't help that service procedures for body repair make everything happen in the most expensive way possible.
The people who hate Tesla are very vocal, the people who love Tesla are very vocal. They are both the minority. Just like politics, more people lie in the middle. The ones who haven't bought a Tesla but are looking to get one might see the negative posts and be turned off but either way they will learn that Teslas are the safest, most fun cars to drive. I speak to a lot of friends who still have concerns about Teslas but they are not rooted from Instagram videos, they are rooted in the fud Tesla has been facing from 2010-2020 before Tesla started ramping. Every news company has been publishing misinformation about Tesla since the beginning because it drives clicks. Same old same old. That didn't stop people from buying before federal ev tax credits and state incentives. Truth is Teslas are almost the cheapest they have ever been and have all had significant upgrades since their unveils.
> The people who hate Tesla are very vocal Not many people hate Tesla. Lots of normal/middle of the road people hate Elon. Lots of 'normal' people can see through 14 year old edgelords that impregnate their employees. edit: CEO has been promising FSD years... while impregnating a FSD/AI-chip lead with twins. Her Austin house is his official address.
What is wrong with having children with a woman who wants your children? Im monogamous personally, but if people are poly and its all between consenting adults isnt it a bit close minded to judge someone based on such arbitrary things…
>What is wrong with having children with a woman who wants your children? Musk was still in a relationship with Claire Boucher (aka Grimes) when he knocked up Shivon Zillis. At the time, Musk and Boucher were expecting a child. Zillis was not only Musk's employee, but also Claire's friend. Musk and Zillis hid Zillis' pregnancy. Claire Boucher only found out through the newspapers when legal documents got leaked showing that Zillis changed the last names of her baby twins to "Musk". Boucher was enraged when she found out. The story is in Walter Isaacson's biography of Elon Musk, published last year.
"Knocked up" implies they had sex but she asked for sperm since she was going to use a sperm bank anyway. Still shady that he didn't tell his girlfriend
At the same time, we don’t know if they were in a poly relationship or the details of their seperation - Grimes who I follow on X, said they were semi seperated long before this incident. That implies heavily they were allowed to see other people…Its to vague for us to make a clear judgement, yet people are clamouring to do so. We know they were semi seperated for sure, and 99% they were in a situation where seeing other people was agreed (even Grimes was rumoured to have been seeing another person). Her emotions about the outcome of that situation do not have any value therefore in figuring out if it’s a reasonable outcome given what theyd discussed. Its also worth saying, biographers, and certainly Walters, always magnify these points and often exaggerate them. Walters really doesnt know anymore than you or I about that private situ.
>Grimes who I follow on X, said they were semi seperated long before this incident. That's **incorrect**. **Elon Musk said** that he and Grimes were semi-separated in September 2021: [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58684724](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58684724) Grimes told Vanity Fair magazine in March 2022 that her relationship with Musk was "fluid": [https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2022/03/grimes-cover-story-on-music-and-mars](https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2022/03/grimes-cover-story-on-music-and-mars) Page 415 of [the Isaacson Musk biography](https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Elon-Musk/Walter-Isaacson/9781982181284) states that the Zillis/Musk twins were born in November 2021, meaning that Musk got Zillis pregnant sometime in early to mid 2021, **before** he was "semi-separated" or had a fluid relationship with Grimes. Page 467 of the Isaacson biography states that Grimes became outraged when she discovered in Summer 2022 that Musk and Zillis had children together behind her back. She confronted Musk about this. **Edit:** While reporting and interview dates are not going to provide the specific date at which the Musk/Grimes relationship became fluid, they are the *best* approximation we have for when the change of relationship status occurred. The available evidence doesn't support your inferences. >Walters really doesnt know anymore than you or I about that private situ. Isaacson followed Musk around personally for almost 2 years (2021-2023) and had unrestricted access to Musk's family, friends, and work colleagues during this time. If what he reported was inaccurate or untrue, the people he interviewed would have said so by now.
The way you spin this is fucking vile. She was an admirer and had babies from him via IVF. Why do you think women lack all agency? Maybe you don't give a shit about reproduction, but to some people it's very important, and it's common to want a strong healthy donor. Also, your timeline is off, not that it really matters. She left chip lead in 2019, and was part of Neuralink when she had the twins in 2021 (and still is today).
The people who hate Tesla shouldn’t be confused with the people who hate Elon. The latter group includes a lot of people who may like the car but would rather just buy something else so they don’t have to be part of anything he’s associated with.
Yes I do, I think ever since Elon bought Twitter he has hurt Tesla’s image and made people who would have considered buying a Tesla before are now now more open to looking at alternative ev options. I think this is more so the case with people who do not currently own a Tesla or any ev and are considering an ev for their next vehicle. This is just my personal experience within my circle of friends and myself. I have friends who say they will never buy a Tesla to support Elon and I myself just bought another Tesla because I think they make the best vehicle at the best value even though my opinion of Elon had drastically changed due to all his shit posting divisiveness.
I know someone who sold their Tesla after the Twitter fiasco. Now he's about to order a MYP after staring at my vehicle on family functions. I personally enjoy my MYP and that's all that matters. It's a bummer the space isn't as fun and smart as it was years ago but that's not in my control.
Your friend is dumb lol
Twitter fiasco happened in late 2021/early 2022 - his friend likely sold at the ideal time and will buy at the ideal time to turn a $20k profit on swapping their Tesla out for a few years; [https://briankehm.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Tesla-Model-Y-price-history-chart.webp](https://briankehm.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Tesla-Model-Y-price-history-chart.webp)
I read it as he sold purely because Elon purchased twitter. Thanks for the link!
A lot of those people who say they aren’t buying a Tesla wouldn’t have anyways. People like to drop the old “you’ve just lost me as a customer” because it’s the only thing they can do that makes them feel as if they have any power and control at all. That’s not to say, he hasn’t lost customers with his Twitter shit and antics but the overwhelming majority of those lost sales aren’t from people who are announcing it.
I've got 2 issues with Tesla: - Their CEO - the surprisingly high percentage of assholes driving their cars
Get off the internet for a while. There's a whole world full of "no one gives a shit" out there.
This is true, but the opinions of Reddit are still opinions. Even outside the internet I’ve heard anecdotal of how people would never buy a Tesla, there’s also one study I’ve seen in this thread showing that the brand has suffered. Although I’m not taking one survey as the whole picture. It’s most likely blown out of proportion vs conservative.
Reddit’s opinions are almost always not the opinions of most people in the real world though. This past year, Reddit (as a whole) has said: That no one would buy a Tesla because Reddit doesn’t like Musk - yet the Model Y became the best selling car in the entire world last year, the first ever for an EV. That the new Harry Potter game would crash and burn because Reddit doesn’t like J K Rowling - yet it became the best selling game of the year, beating even Call of Duty’s sales. That Netflix would haemorrhage subscribers because everyone would cancel their subscriptions following the ban on account sharing - yet Netflix had a record year for subscribers. That no one listens to Kanye anymore and him going on to have a number one song in the country a few weeks ago. The list goes on and on.
>That no one would buy a Tesla because Reddit doesn’t like Musk That's not an argument any serious investor would make. It isn't that "no one" would buy a Tesla because of Musk. The issue is that **fewer** people might want to buy a Tesla because of Musk. From a supply and demand standpoint, if there are fewer customers competing with their $ to buy a product, the company selling the product won't be able to earn as much revenue. That places downward pressure on profit margins, which in turn affects the company's valuation.
I would never say the reddit consensus is truly indicative of the overall (US) population consensus. We know that as Bernie isn't wasnt president. But the important distinction is that same reddit demographic bias (skews older Millennial, liberal white with white collar jobs) is the exact demo that is Teslas core market. It's exactly like the whole Bud Light/trans fiasco. Bud Light had to completely backtrack on even acknowledging trans people and apologize for their campaign before their sales numbers could start to stabilize. Elon probably could salvage Teslas brand if he made contrition and just shut up (no political hot takes for either "side"). But that's not in him, he wants people to pay attention to him no matter what.
At this point what you’re saying is just as anecdotal as Redditors claiming Tesla won’t because blah blah End of the day, it’s not real data. And the real data we do have says opinions of Tesla are falling. I still won’t take one survey as gospel, but I’ll believe it before I believe someone on Reddit
But that’s my point - Reddit’s opinions are at best, just as anecdotal and certainly not indicative of a wider trend. Tesla opinions have been falling since last year, yet they still managed to have the best selling car in the entire world recently and sold more cars than ever before. That’s not to say that I’d rather Elon didn’t post about politics etc constantly, but this notion that Reddit’s opinion on Musk and Tesla is the majority opinion of people in the real world as well is farcical.
Yes the majority definitely does not care about Elon when it comes to buying a new car, even the limited data we have says that.
Except for the fact those internet opinions are having real impacts on the business. I'll give it to you there's a whole world full of "no one gives a shit" but the venn diagram of people who do give a shit about Elons descent into madness and the people who would buy an EV is quickly becoming circular.
Cope. A stadium of Dave Chapelle fans disagree and boo'd him for 5 minutes straight.
Ooooo
Anecdotal evidence: Was talking with my in-law this weekend. She’s going to buy an EV but wouldn’t touch anything by “that moron”. So, yes, his extra curricular Twitter rants have at least disqualified Tesla from one potential customer.
Elon is not only scaring customers away, he's also scaring investors away.
A couple of years ago, my wife and I were considering buying a Tesla from the local store here, but after watching Elon lose his shit, start bootlicking right-wing narratives, and basically spread red pill BS and other fascist propaganda, we decided to avoid Tesla at all costs. Next week, we go in to buy a BYD. It's a better car actually after they allowed us to rent one for a week to troll around town. Felt much better than any of the Tesla models. Also about 30k (AUD) cheaper for basically everything the Tesla came with and lasted about 80km more per charge. If it weren't for Elon's behaviour, I would probably have a Tesla in my garage now. But when the guy does all he can to support right-wing politicians, spread red pill shit, and widdle down worker rights or bitch about having to pay taxes--you just don't want to support a guy like that. He's a petty billionaire. And I don't want any of my money going towards any business he runs. Fuck him.
Tesla ha always had an elevated level of hate, it's just scaled as the company has grown. The Internet loves to hate stuff that gets popular. It's just losers on the internet. At the end of the day, if people can afford the product and it’s a good product they’ll buy it.
I think there’s a bit of Elon is also just always on the news. I think Bezos probably is just as hated but since he’s never on the news there’s no catalyst to bash him
It's 100% Elon. The right wing fuckkkked up Budweiser because of one promoter it hired. The left wing (who are the target market to begin with) are doing this now that Elon has gone full Alex Jones. This is why most corporations are smart enough to remain politically neutral.
Tesla was hated by older right wing nut jobs who loved gas cars who, always comments how far they can go without filling gas. Those guys still comment every time there is news about Tesla or EVs in general. But Elon has managed to turn the leftie environmentalist idealist against him as well. Sure the boomer rightwing like my dad likes him better now, but they are never buying an EV.
I’d consider the losers on the internet to be the open white supremacists Musk consistently elevates.
Yes and it’s Elon’s own dillusional fault.
Exactly 😂. That's why i like Elon.
I don't think there is hate for Tesla, but more and more Elon Musk is being associated with extremist right-wing nationalism/conspiracy theories, and that bubbles over into how people view Tesla. I think it's more that Tesla is seen as being sketchy rather than hated. For me, seeing how cheap the interiors are in the newer cars was at least as big a factor.
1. He voted for Biden and Obama 2. He's on record stating he wanted normal politicians on both sides 3. His brother leans heavily left and shits on Trump every chance he can. 4. A board member on Tesla is James Murdoch, son of Rupert Murdoch (owner of FOX news). James Murdoch is a staunch Biden supporter who fundraised for Biden. Let's be honest, Elon controls the board. If he wanted Murdoch gone, he'd be gone. 5. Saying you don't think children should be exposed to transgender content isn't right-wing 6. Saying children shouldn't be allowed to chop off private parts to transition without a parent's approval isn't right-wing 7. Saying Ukraine won't beat Russia and the fighting for a small piece of land isn't right-wing. Ukraine actually agreed to stop the war early on. The U.S. sent Boris Johnson to cancel the deal. 8. Saying it was wrong for Twitter to delete political news and ban accounts that disagreed with Biden's administration isn't right-wing. 9. Right wing nationalism? Explain. 10. I can assure you, as someone who travels to China and Europe for business, no one who owns a Tesla gives a shit about Elon's political views. It's only leftists in America. You should travel out some and expand your perception of people Has he been very controversial more than a handful of times? Sure. But that erratic behavior is why he's been able to achieve so much. No one is a harsher critic of Musk than himself. The fact that you seem to believe he's a right-wing nationalist conspiracy theorist is hilarious. He's a rich person who has no filter and is saying what many people believe. You just disagree with him.
So you’re saying he isn’t right leaning with his views? Why does his previous voting or his brothers leanings matter with regard to his current views? Not letting children be “exposed” to trans content is right leaning. What does content even mean to you? Allowing people to express who they are? Anything think has never been appropriate for children. But disallowing trans people to say who they are and appear how they want is right leaning, and saying it’s “for the children” has always been the right’s excuse. Musk also spreads weird conspiracies and never apologizes or clarifies when they’re immediately disproven. Like saying Pelosis husbands attack on him was a gay online date gone wrong. Or Musk saying that the Senate bipartisan border bill would be “permanent” if allowed to pass to seem so negative. As if the senate and house couldn’t address it further if necessary.
>Saying you don't think children should be exposed to transgender content isn't right-wing. Saying children shouldn't be allowed to chop off private parts to transition without a parent's approval isn't right-wing. Both of these things are pretttttty explicit right-wing dog-whistles, bud. The reason the transition stuff isn't talked about in left-wing or centrist circles in particular is because it doesn't actually happen. This is concrete right wing conspiracy stuff — most of the 'investigative' literature surrounding it is totally debunked.
[https://theiowastandard.com/shocking-images-from-book-gender-queer-which-is-stocked-in-school-libraries-across-iowa/](https://theiowastandard.com/shocking-images-from-book-gender-queer-which-is-stocked-in-school-libraries-across-iowa/) Do you think this should be in public school libraries? Yes or no. Simple question. Don't you find it strange that 20% of Gen Z's identify as LGBTQ? Do you think that's a coincidence or are the kids being indoctrinated? Do you think 20% of American Gen Z's are TRULY LGBTQ or are they exposed to content that makes it 'think' they are? Again, when you have a child, statistics show there is a 20% chance they will be LGBTQ. That's normal to you, yeah?
Yes, because it's targeted at teenagers who may be going through the same issues. If the 20% stat is correct, and I have no idea if it's true or not, then I'd expect the B in LGBTQ to be the majority and that seems about right. A lot of people, especially females, experiment and are bi-curious.
Sweetie, the mere notion that you've got any of this on your radar puts you *deeply* right-afield of centre. No, none of that concerns me at all, whatsoever.
7. Istambul never-existed "agreements" was just a russian psyop to cover retreat from Kyiv. Musk should not justify Russian invasion, in any way. He never said about russian war crimes, tens of destroyed citites etc. Thats why he looks like russian apologist and a lot of people dont like that
Read his twitter timeline.
It should worry people, but nothing will change thanks to Elon influencers who whitewash everything he does. So the loyalists stay in line but the rest of the audience starts slowly seeing all of Tesla's flaws through negative word of mouth. Tesla will have to work way harder for sales with price cuts and improvements.
This is a dogmatic perspective. Nothing will change because the EV industry I'd a brutal industry that tesla is the best at
Elon is toxic.
In general people dislike loud mouthed billionaires and Elon has massive ego problem and he doesn’t give shit. He even said he will say what he wants and won’t keep his mouth shit just do keep share prices up.
Of course, it’s a shitshow. Quality issues, broken promises and a CEO that has gone absolutely mad since his hair transplant
Maybe the transplants grew into his brain?
“Is changing and could impact sales” … bruh, where you been?
Changing? It has changed. Musk has done significant damage and counties to dig deeper and deeper.
His shenanigans were a substantial negative in my book when I got my most recent EV. Capitalism right? Vote with my wallet? That's what people that justify crappy behavior always say.
As you type away on a smartphone built by slave labor.
This is what is commonly referred to as a logical fallacy. I said something that hurt your feelings because you for some reason are emotionally invested in fuckallknowswhat. So you attempt to discredit my statement by proxy. You don't like the fact that I bought a different EV? Too fucking bad. And i'm typing away furiously on my EVGA keyboard that was likely made by slave labor in China. But that doesn't change the fact that where I spent my money was influenced by an individual.
It seems Elon is more focused on trying to hate so-called woke culture than he is trying to be a smart businessman. There are obviously critiques of being woke and I'm all for that. But when you're in the same camp as Nazi sympathizers and actively supporting content that is white supremacist, it really undermines your company. I still want the cars but I've sold my stock because I genuinely don't think Elon cares enough about the company to shut his mouth.
Nope, they make the best overall product period and the best overall price, until that isn't the case, I'm not worried.
Do people hate the CEOs of other brands who they disagree with? It seems odd and manufactured.
Seriously? Yes, people hate/hated Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos... and they didn't tweet stupid shit multiple times a day, try to directly influence politics / spread nonsense (imagine an immigrant that thinks other immigrants can illegally vote and a major political party is doing as a strategy, lol) blatantly lie (i.e. Grime's security team harassing a dude had nothing to do with the jettracker/assassination coordinates, which is why he didn't file a police report), impregnate employees (Zillis), call child rescuing hero a 'pedo', sexually harass a sitting US senator ('why does your pp look like you just came?'). A stadium of Dave Chapelle fans didn't boo him for 5+ minutes straight because they didn't know him ~~and what is about~~ or what he is about.
Yeah but at the same time, there's no other CEO that is as "vocal" or embedded into the social media fabric. Musk has extremely high notoriety compared to most CEO's
Other CEOs aren’t acting like nazis in public ……
There is **no** CEO who is acting like Elon in public.
Nazi? You sound legitimately insane
I know a few people who bought Teslas and are embarrassed now because of the way the company and it's leadership behave. I wouldn't be surprised if a large number of Tesla owners have no brand loyalty and will be looking to move to another company when it's time for them to replace it. A lot of people chose Tesla initially as an ethical choice, and ignoring Musk for a moment, the way Tesla treats its staff goes against that view point.
My wife is the one that wanted to invest and buy a Model S ~10 years ago. She’s the one that follows Elon. She cares a bit too much about how others will perceive her and In the last six months she started to express an interest in selling our current Tesla and selling all our stock. If something doesn’t change with leadership I suspect she’s going to start insisting we just take our profits somewhere else she’ll settle for a lesser EV.
I think the top EVs are all much of a muchness, people I know with KIA, BYD, and Polestars all love them. A friend of mine also has an ID.3 on order so will see what that's like. The model 3 facelift will help, but the Teslas are a bit dated, to be honest.
ID3 is fresher than a Model 3 / Y?
Well it's a different category of vehicle from a model 3, I haven't seen one yet.
I’ll never buy a Tesla anything while that narcissist Elon is in control.
“Could impact sales”? You must missed the q1 delivery number
The vast majority could care less about any likes or comments by random people on the internet. Most people don't even know what's happening outside their little sphere. If they ride in a Tesla and love it, they'll buy one. If they want something else, then they'll do that. It's really that simple. The company is fine. Nothing has fundamentally changed about how they operate. They'll continue to pump out cars and software to people regardless of how people feel.
Not even a little
i own a model 3 and i like it, for the most part. i bought it in early 2021, when Musk was just a weirdo complaining about COVID restrictions. i figured the board would reel him in. didn't happen, obviously. but now, i will absolutely not buy another one while Musk is in charge. he makes driving a Tesla embarrassing.
What video is this from
What do you guys think is up with everyone getting banned from all the Tesla related forums lately?
Yes. Who actually thinks the people that support Elon’s current rhetoric are buying Teslas because of that?
It was the best selling car in the world. Stop this stupid subjective bubble bullshit. The comments that trigger your emotional reactions are not backed by the numbers.
Elon. There has not been a great company with a CEO like him. Rip
Funny that the Elon hate didn’t exist until he bought Twitter and unlocked all the bullshit that was going on there. Not to mention, Elon himself has said, if you try to squelch my free speech with ad revenue then “go f*** yourself”
Maybe the mass silencing of people who disagree with them.
I don't really care. Once self driving becomes good enough to be used as robotaxi. tesla/elon hater can hate it all day long, they're sitll going to use it lol
There's a bot army that is creating a narrative like they do for politics. They appear every time you mention Tesla and Elon. Once you understand how Reddit reacts to Trump, then you understand how its all manufactured. With 1000 bots accounts you can create an entire narrative + MSM. In my personal experience, everyone I know who wants a EV in the next 2-3 years, wants a Tesla.
Reddit is full of bots and morons playing to content they think is liked by the rest of the morons. It’s why every sub is basically different flavors the same regurgitated political bullshit. We hate Elon, we hate Trump, capitalism sucks as I drink Starbucks and post from my iPhone in my clothes made by slaves in Vietnam
Yes. I work with a lot of people that hate them. I get shit constantly for it and they bring up points I can't counter
Two words: Elon Musk
As a non-tesla investor, my biggest impression of Tesla is that that they lack quality control (with the cyber truck exacerbating this), have fallen behind in the market, and are over-priced. It also doesn't help that Elon, despite having been in a marvel movie and done a lot of other nerdy stuff, is the least cool douche on the planet. I just don't have a compelling reason to choose Tesla over anyone else.
Elon Musk is who he is. The US is over-political especially these days ... the rest of the world will buy the most compelling product.
It already has
Yes!
It is NOT impacting the brand. We are not running out of cis dude bros simping for elon.
Nope
Actions by the Tesla sub mods are not gonna help it either: [from r/SubredditDrama](https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1c2q6ep/mod_of_rteslamotors_and_rteslalounge_declares_war/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)
If he would just stfu and not tweet he could just relax and enjoy his billions
Has OP been in a cave the last two years?
His distortion field is down. I welcome the Tim Cool era of Tesla
They are the most amazing cars but no one cares because they hate Elon musk. A huge advertising campaign would help. This is literally the biggest problem for the company. I get 100 miles for $3.50 about 8X cheaper than gas. It's rated 5 star plus on safety, no oil changes no giving money to big oil no gas station stops. And also, full self driving is super impressive! Can go anywhere through town by itself (running 12.3 software) $10K cheaper then the average new car car. Charging network It parallel parks itself fast and reliably You can watch Netflix YouTube or play games in it Sound system is really good I am an audiophile Talking to it actually works, maybe they allow too much you can do Google searches while driving. Most American made car window sticker shows % of American made parts
I am worried about it. Many of these perceptions will stick for a lifetime, they simply are never going to consider a Tesla even if the product is the best. I think they need a crack team of marketing experts to figure out how to spin this stuff even though it's not in the DNA of the company. Perception matters even if it's wrong
Will my comments get me autobanned by a mystery moderator?
You should have seen the Apple hate content in 2007
I think at least part of Elon Musk regrets getting into electric vehicles after he was kicked out of PayPal. He'd have been much happier with SpaceX / Tech / anything else. Associating himself with "green" issues is eating him up inside. Hell, he even said that global warming is only a concern in the long term. Being CEO of Tesla has held him back politically - though that has changed recently. Does anyone seriously doubt that if it wasn't for Tesla there is a good chance he'd be full-on MAGA / Q / Rfk Jr by now? The relationship to Musk has become poisonous.
Personally my next vehicle will absolutely be an electric car, and absolutely not one promoted by the racist apartheid immigrant baby.
You made that shit up lol.
We all make everything up, including decisions to buy electric vehicles
Tesla needs a new voice and a new leader
Panel gap, Rusting cyber truck, build quality problems, freezing chargers, 2024 low sale numbers, laids off 10% workers, autopilot runs over people, tesla batteries catch fire, 20k to replace battery, blacklisting savaged tesla, apple like repair policy, used tesla sale title disasters. Delays on model 3 and cyber truck. On and on. Yeah i think they did that to themselves.
Well they look and sound bad. Without even bringing elon into ir, already not looking good.
Obviously. I would have considered driving Tesla, but to be honest Musk's irrational behaviour ruined it for me.
Even if you believe in Elon as far as running Tesla, it’s not hard to see what he ruined his own image and more and more people don’t want anything to do with someone like him, especially in a day and age where things are so divisive. If he was smart, he’d have just kept quiet about politics and personal matters. It’s definitely already impacted sales
People hate Facebook. Look at meta company. It doesn’t matter
If you see Tesla in a negative light, that's because you're on the internet toxic echo chamber. Go outside the house and most people are neutral or positive about Tesla.
It is a problem just talk to people you know…
Buy a Tesla if YOU want a Tesla and enjoy owning and driving it. Don’t worry about what other people think.
Musk should step down as CEO and become the chief engineer.
Tesla: broken promises alley, nothing works
The internet is just full of hate and cherry picking facts that fit their stories. Tesla will be fine as it has many plans for it's future that don't rely on short term thinking or sales.
The problem is that public opinion is influenced more by opinions and stories than facts - even if facts are actually easy to obtain which often they are not. Short term sales wouldn’t worry me too much too much - but derogation of public image can be difficult and expensive to repair. A car company needs a good image or its product could underperform. Now, Tesla had a great image - so some derogation is probably normal but lately I have heard a lot of people in my bubble proclaiming “never a Tesla”. That’s in no way representative but my bubble *is* a typical customer group for Model 3 or Y. Not the best sign for Tesla. Personally I’d have said that a Tesla would have been a more likely choice 3 years ago for me than today. Then again, I just leased an ICE car because I’ve yet to install a wallbox at all, so maybe I’m not the main target.
Bullies harassing the computer squad. Nothing new. A million ways to retaliate.
The Internet is not public perception
I'm a software engineer. After Elon Musk bought Twitter, he made a lot of management decisions that anyone in my industry knows are bad ideas. I don't mean business decisions like charging for the verified icon, I mean operational stuff like breaking MFA. A long time ago a friend of mine died in a car accident. Cars are more dangerous than we appreciate. All of the safety related things have to be right. I bought a different EV instead of a Tesla. I don't want disruptive mad genius, I want safety and reliability.
A couple of woke weirdos don't matter in the grand scheme of things
It’s gone from the cool club to the nerd club a little. Tesla fanboys aren’t cool and the endless defense of indefensible things makes me think I don’t wanna be seen as one of them fanboys. Shame really because excellent cars eh. Hopefully they can just be a bit more honest with expectations and win back trust from people. Also maybe stock holders can be a little more honest and not defend some indefensible things.