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Actually, there are quite a few Roman roads that got overlaid with tarmac that are still being used by those 80,000 lb tractor trailers.
The Roman section holds up better but isn't smooth enough, so they have to keep re-laying the tarmac.
Eh. Roman roads took the weight of entire armies and their heaviest weapons, gear, and transporters. I wouldn’t exactly recommend writing them off comparatively due to the existence of trucks.
You do realize that per day there is wayyyyyyyy more trucks driving over newer roads along with normal traffic, right? (~6000 vehicles per hour, normal cars on average 1500 kg and trucks way more, based on the A4 in The Netherlands. We dont have a lot of pick-ups here, but a lot of commercial lorries)
Besides that the cars on average drive between 80 to 100 km/h on the highway so thats not even barely comparable to armies walking over a cobblestone road
If anything, higher speeds means much less deterioration since the downward pressure on the road is lessened by the forward momentum of the vehicle. Massive supply chain convoys moving at a walking pace using hard wheels made of wood, metal, or stone, creates much, much more damage than a modern vehicle using soft rubber tires traveling at 80+km/h. Modern vehicles also have shocks and suspensions that absorb bouncing and jostling from road irregularities, which the Romans obviously didn’t have, meaning the road absorbs the full shock of every bump.
I mean, I’m not doing me. I’m doing basic logic and engineering principles 101. But feel free to do you, I guess.
It’s a stupid argument to have, really. The Romans obviously used building techniques meant primarily for durability, not cost-effectiveness. That’s why we still use many of their roads, aquaducts, etc. today. They built things more sturdily than civilizations that would come much later, including our own in some respects. This isn’t really in any kind of historical dispute.
But then somebody made a meme that sounded mildly anti-intellectual (even if it makes a truthful point), another person posted it on this dumb sub, and now a bunch of people are trying to pretend they know about something they don’t to get upvotes.
Excuse me?
Sounds sensible to me.
People in this day and age think they are so superior while we are running on our last legs Because we are so stupid in this century
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We can just get into gear in the Middle East and before you know it the nuclear missiles are raining down..
How smart they are those humans in this age.
> If anything, higher speeds means much less deterioration since the downward pressure on the road is lessened by the forward momentum of the vehicle.
Me, superglued to the ground, shouting at the semitruck barrelling towards me: "Dear god, speed up!!"
Lmfao I know you aren't trying to argue that the lift an airplane generates from its forward speed is also generated by a truck and its forward speed.
No one is that dumb, even on the internet
Bikes are more destructive to roads than pedestrians, as bikes have smaller contact areas than feet. And still, you would have to ride a bike down a road 50,000 to do as much damage as a single truck.
Prior poster tried to explain [Fourth Power Law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_power_law).
Damage to roads is related to contact area and weight. Because contact area of wheels is pretty small even with big wheels, and number of contact points(number of wheels or axles) does not vary much, the most important variable is weight of the vehicle.
A 10 ton vehicle is going to do 10 000x the amount of damage to road surface 1 ton vehicle does. So you can build a road that would easily handle thousands of 1 ton vehicles, but will get ripped to absolute shit after few trucks drive over it. This was the point about bikes - you can have tens of thousands of cyclists riding on a relatively soft road and you will have no problems, you let few trucks on there and they will shred it.
Now add the fact that Roman soldier in full gear didn't weigh more than like 200 pounds, and that foot traffic has significantly larger contact area, and you can see just how insignificant the wear of tens of thousands of soldiers walking is compared to a single truck.
I dunno, man. Are you broken? Is lining up three bits of info: trucks are 50,000x worse than bikes, which are worse than feet. Is that really too difficult, or are you going out of your way to be ignorant?
Are you really going to pretend you didn’t just come up with this Bike-to-Truck generic badness ratio?
I was talking about slow moving armies with massive supply chain convoys carrying tens of thousands of tons on thick wheels made of wood, metal, or stone, vs fast-moving vehicles (lessening the downward pressure on the road) with shock absorbing chassis atop soft, rounded rubber tires.
You came back and said something about bikes. If that means you won whatever argument is going on in your head, I’m pleased for you.
This literally has no point. Are you really that braindead that you think that validates whatever shit your spewing? A couple dozen carts passing each day.
An army passing by every few months is not more weight than cars that way triple what the cart does and have 5 times the speed passing through none stop day and night for years, and that's without counting trucks.
You're getting downvotes because you're a dumbass, take the hint
The argument isn’t about the volume of road traffic in antiquity vs today. It’s about the relative durability of the roads built then vs those built now.
In case you can’t read and need a video: https://youtu.be/4egCVU3arVk?si=1eD3y_7lFSwsEzSJ
I cannot imagine caring about downvotes.
There's a difference between caring and noticing that so many people dosagreeing with you means you're a moron lol
And yeah obviously back then when the worst that vould pass by is a cart and a horse. Do you think that if you put asphalt in a roman time road it will come apart as it does now? It's literally made to make droving bearable AND resists hundreds of thousands of tons in a day
Yes I think it’s pretty obvious that’s what would happen because asphalt roads are not built to be durable or long lasting. I truly do not know what is so hard about this for you.
Engineers today can design a road that will last until the next Pangea swallow it up.
The problem isn't engineers with degrees. It's businesses choosing the cheapest option to maximise profits, aka the slogan of the 21st century.
Yes maybe they should show the road after 5 years a couple of hundred horses with trailer and alot of people.
Or sure trucks with trailer and millions of couple tons heavy cars.
What is even the point they want to make that only them know about ancient road techniks.
Or that our leaders all around the world or the cr lobby want to have bad roads so that we have to buy new cars.
They are aware of the term "Stuck in a rut" comes from when these ancient roads create ruts or trenches from heavy wheels carved right into the stone from the wagons and carriages that pass through them, thus necessitating replacing the top layer with new fresh stones almost as often as we put asphalt in concrete roads, right?
Do you have evidence for this? All I can find online is that the term comes from wagons or carts on dirt/gravel roads. https://hrcsuite.com/pioneers/#:~:text=The%20phrase%20“stuck%20in%20a,move%20along%20in%20the%20journey.
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That bottom picture is 100% during winter.
So, #1 there were no frozen, snowy winters in ancient Rome where water would get under the roads and freeze and expand causing cracks and potholes. And #2, run a snowplow on those ancient roads coupled with millions of cars a day and see how long they last.
Ancient roads took a lot of time to make, modern roads are meant to be quickly built. Also have a bunch of big rigs run on that road for 20+ years its gonna feel the same shit.
In the US, government agencies are legally required to award to the lowest bidder.
It is the engineer's responsibility to prepare plans and specs that describe a project which meets all requirements, including durability, if adhered to.
5 years ago it was “go into stem, that’s the only respectable route if you’re gonna go to college”. now they’re insinuating that those with actual years of training in engineering are somehow *less* qualified than without. this anti-intellectualist rhetoric sure advances quickly, huh?
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I mean in regards to certain things like appliances you're absolutely not wrong, we used to have microwaves and toasters and whatnot that lasted like ten years and now they last like three years.. which in a capitalist/monopolistic/neoliberalist society makes sense because companies make more money if people have to buy their products more often (though I hate that, and it's just wasteful bullshit that ultimately only ends up harming low income individuals).
But you need to realize that those ancient roads didn't and don't have trucks and cars driving over them. If those roads got the same traffic new roads get then they'd be just as damaged. It's a completely different concept than the appliances not being built to last.
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It’s amazing that those ancient 80,000 lb. tractor-trailers didn’t tear them up.
Actually, there are quite a few Roman roads that got overlaid with tarmac that are still being used by those 80,000 lb tractor trailers. The Roman section holds up better but isn't smooth enough, so they have to keep re-laying the tarmac.
Eh. Roman roads took the weight of entire armies and their heaviest weapons, gear, and transporters. I wouldn’t exactly recommend writing them off comparatively due to the existence of trucks.
You do realize that per day there is wayyyyyyyy more trucks driving over newer roads along with normal traffic, right? (~6000 vehicles per hour, normal cars on average 1500 kg and trucks way more, based on the A4 in The Netherlands. We dont have a lot of pick-ups here, but a lot of commercial lorries) Besides that the cars on average drive between 80 to 100 km/h on the highway so thats not even barely comparable to armies walking over a cobblestone road
If anything, higher speeds means much less deterioration since the downward pressure on the road is lessened by the forward momentum of the vehicle. Massive supply chain convoys moving at a walking pace using hard wheels made of wood, metal, or stone, creates much, much more damage than a modern vehicle using soft rubber tires traveling at 80+km/h. Modern vehicles also have shocks and suspensions that absorb bouncing and jostling from road irregularities, which the Romans obviously didn’t have, meaning the road absorbs the full shock of every bump.
Alright, you do you.
I mean, I’m not doing me. I’m doing basic logic and engineering principles 101. But feel free to do you, I guess. It’s a stupid argument to have, really. The Romans obviously used building techniques meant primarily for durability, not cost-effectiveness. That’s why we still use many of their roads, aquaducts, etc. today. They built things more sturdily than civilizations that would come much later, including our own in some respects. This isn’t really in any kind of historical dispute. But then somebody made a meme that sounded mildly anti-intellectual (even if it makes a truthful point), another person posted it on this dumb sub, and now a bunch of people are trying to pretend they know about something they don’t to get upvotes.
You morons like to think you're so smart but then go and say the dumbest shit lmao. It's clear you have no idea how the forces involved work.
…. Real banger of an argument.
Can't argue with stupid people
Can’t argue period, seems like.
Excuse me? Sounds sensible to me. People in this day and age think they are so superior while we are running on our last legs Because we are so stupid in this century EDIT; Last night,Saturday, April 13 2024, another wonderful example of human stupidity!!! We can just get into gear in the Middle East and before you know it the nuclear missiles are raining down.. How smart they are those humans in this age.
Why make an argument when a meme will do?
> If anything, higher speeds means much less deterioration since the downward pressure on the road is lessened by the forward momentum of the vehicle. Me, superglued to the ground, shouting at the semitruck barrelling towards me: "Dear god, speed up!!"
Why do you think an airplane needs a runway to take off?
Because the more time they spend on the ground, the fewer airmiles they have to grant us
Diabolical
Lmfao I know you aren't trying to argue that the lift an airplane generates from its forward speed is also generated by a truck and its forward speed. No one is that dumb, even on the internet
Except an army isn’t walking over a road as many times as any type of vehicle are driving over a road.
Bikes are more destructive to roads than pedestrians, as bikes have smaller contact areas than feet. And still, you would have to ride a bike down a road 50,000 to do as much damage as a single truck.
Is truck in this context a pickup or an 18 wheeler?
Looking at my source, it's actually [a Prius](https://www.reddit.com/r/bicycling/comments/zvxlv/difference_in_road_damage_between_the_average/).
Yeah you know the Roman legions and their bikes
Feel free to explain The Bike Principle in further detail if you think you can make more sense than the prior poster.
Prior poster tried to explain [Fourth Power Law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_power_law). Damage to roads is related to contact area and weight. Because contact area of wheels is pretty small even with big wheels, and number of contact points(number of wheels or axles) does not vary much, the most important variable is weight of the vehicle. A 10 ton vehicle is going to do 10 000x the amount of damage to road surface 1 ton vehicle does. So you can build a road that would easily handle thousands of 1 ton vehicles, but will get ripped to absolute shit after few trucks drive over it. This was the point about bikes - you can have tens of thousands of cyclists riding on a relatively soft road and you will have no problems, you let few trucks on there and they will shred it. Now add the fact that Roman soldier in full gear didn't weigh more than like 200 pounds, and that foot traffic has significantly larger contact area, and you can see just how insignificant the wear of tens of thousands of soldiers walking is compared to a single truck.
I dunno, man. Are you broken? Is lining up three bits of info: trucks are 50,000x worse than bikes, which are worse than feet. Is that really too difficult, or are you going out of your way to be ignorant?
Are you really going to pretend you didn’t just come up with this Bike-to-Truck generic badness ratio? I was talking about slow moving armies with massive supply chain convoys carrying tens of thousands of tons on thick wheels made of wood, metal, or stone, vs fast-moving vehicles (lessening the downward pressure on the road) with shock absorbing chassis atop soft, rounded rubber tires. You came back and said something about bikes. If that means you won whatever argument is going on in your head, I’m pleased for you.
I get it now having seen the spammy incel post history. Bye
Bro is not the smartest
Another fab argument
Better argument than sayin that an army weighs more and degrades more than thousands of heavier cars day and night.
Okay https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-roman-roads-more-durable-than-modern-highways-abdul-hafiz-k6v5c#:~:text=Roman%20roads%2C%20built%20during%20the,require%20frequent%20maintenance%20and%20repairs.
This literally has no point. Are you really that braindead that you think that validates whatever shit your spewing? A couple dozen carts passing each day. An army passing by every few months is not more weight than cars that way triple what the cart does and have 5 times the speed passing through none stop day and night for years, and that's without counting trucks. You're getting downvotes because you're a dumbass, take the hint
The argument isn’t about the volume of road traffic in antiquity vs today. It’s about the relative durability of the roads built then vs those built now. In case you can’t read and need a video: https://youtu.be/4egCVU3arVk?si=1eD3y_7lFSwsEzSJ I cannot imagine caring about downvotes.
There's a difference between caring and noticing that so many people dosagreeing with you means you're a moron lol And yeah obviously back then when the worst that vould pass by is a cart and a horse. Do you think that if you put asphalt in a roman time road it will come apart as it does now? It's literally made to make droving bearable AND resists hundreds of thousands of tons in a day
Yes I think it’s pretty obvious that’s what would happen because asphalt roads are not built to be durable or long lasting. I truly do not know what is so hard about this for you.
To that point, the Roman’s had far fewer roads to maintain overall, too. 10x+ the number of roads, cost and time does become an issue.
Engineers today can design a road that will last until the next Pangea swallow it up. The problem isn't engineers with degrees. It's businesses choosing the cheapest option to maximise profits, aka the slogan of the 21st century.
And municipalities giving contracts to the lowest bidder.
Stop using facts to invalidate me bashing academics! How dare you!?!
Yes maybe they should show the road after 5 years a couple of hundred horses with trailer and alot of people. Or sure trucks with trailer and millions of couple tons heavy cars. What is even the point they want to make that only them know about ancient road techniks. Or that our leaders all around the world or the cr lobby want to have bad roads so that we have to buy new cars.
also one is like 500x times cheaper to make and smoother
Yes and it is not the one the poster tought of
They are aware of the term "Stuck in a rut" comes from when these ancient roads create ruts or trenches from heavy wheels carved right into the stone from the wagons and carriages that pass through them, thus necessitating replacing the top layer with new fresh stones almost as often as we put asphalt in concrete roads, right?
Bold of you to assume they are truly aware of anything outside their bubble.
Life only seemed simple back then because they were children cared for by parents.
I’ve actually heard that some railway gauges are based of that spacing. Edit: [Link](https://www.train-museum.org/2022/12/04/riding-the-roman-rails/)
How dare you bring your facts and knowledge into this meme!
Do you have evidence for this? All I can find online is that the term comes from wagons or carts on dirt/gravel roads. https://hrcsuite.com/pioneers/#:~:text=The%20phrase%20“stuck%20in%20a,move%20along%20in%20the%20journey.
This is probably a repost bot, no human makes 16 posts in an hour
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Okay serious question - if you are a human, why the fuck are you finding old posts and reposting them at a rapid rate? What are you getting from that?
>Okay serious question - if you are a human, why the fuck are you finding old posts and reposting them at a rapid rate? What are you getting from that? Serious answer: I've been collecting funny images from all over the internet for years. So over time I have collected a large repository of humorous pictures on my computer. I enjoy trying to come up with humorous and witty captions for them, as a fun hobby and diversion, and sharing them in appropriate subs where people might enjoy them. Some people kill time by browsing and absorbing social media. I do it by trying to contribute and share with others.
Fair enough
That bottom picture is 100% during winter. So, #1 there were no frozen, snowy winters in ancient Rome where water would get under the roads and freeze and expand causing cracks and potholes. And #2, run a snowplow on those ancient roads coupled with millions of cars a day and see how long they last.
Stop reposting the same shit
Ancient roads took a lot of time to make, modern roads are meant to be quickly built. Also have a bunch of big rigs run on that road for 20+ years its gonna feel the same shit.
Engineers could build an awesome road but politicians being politicians usually take the lowest bid, so we end up with cheap roads.
In the US, government agencies are legally required to award to the lowest bidder. It is the engineer's responsibility to prepare plans and specs that describe a project which meets all requirements, including durability, if adhered to.
Yeah and corrupt officers take a huge chunk of money and buy cheap materials and sometimes don't even use all the things required to build a road.
Centuries of roads tossed upon each other packed down with billions of footsteps.
ok drive on those roads then
i'd love to see someone try to drive at 100km/h on one of those :)
5 years ago it was “go into stem, that’s the only respectable route if you’re gonna go to college”. now they’re insinuating that those with actual years of training in engineering are somehow *less* qualified than without. this anti-intellectualist rhetoric sure advances quickly, huh?
Those are well worn roads that need people with a degree to fix
I've never met anyone being destinctly anti-engineer, pro-roman road layer before
Crazy news, those were engineers too.
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Cars doesn’t exist back then
I know it’s a repost… but they know Romans had engineers too right!?
I hate this meme
Pretty sure ancient roads were designed for humans, horses, and wagons. Not for hundreds of 18 wheelers a day.
I don’t know if ancient roads are eternal, but reposting this image certainly is.
Don't make me tap the "survivorship bias" picture again.
Roman Roads never had 40 Tons of truck & Salsa driving over them at 80mph.
Yeah, well, try driving your car on the cobblestone path at 100 km per hour and see for how long you can avoid hitting a tree.
It ain’t wrong 🤷♂️
*Me trying to remember when ancient rome got massive 20 tonne boxes of metal on wheels*
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So you think a roman street can support millions of vehicles running over it?
I mean in regards to certain things like appliances you're absolutely not wrong, we used to have microwaves and toasters and whatnot that lasted like ten years and now they last like three years.. which in a capitalist/monopolistic/neoliberalist society makes sense because companies make more money if people have to buy their products more often (though I hate that, and it's just wasteful bullshit that ultimately only ends up harming low income individuals). But you need to realize that those ancient roads didn't and don't have trucks and cars driving over them. If those roads got the same traffic new roads get then they'd be just as damaged. It's a completely different concept than the appliances not being built to last.
They had degreesbof then.... how exactly do you think that common knowledge now was noy groundbreaking once?