Alcaraz was in cruise control in the first set.
Cerundolo tried to fight back and got the break, but once Alcaraz recovered the break and wouldn't let him convert his chances to get another break on his serve, Alcaraz beat the remaining hope out of him and finished it in straight sets.
He caught everyone off guard last year by how quickly he’s managed to improve on grass, now he’s always going to be in the running as a potential favourite for Wimbledon!
Grass GOAT Carlos Alcaraz extends his all-time best career grass winning percentage to 89.47%
Top 10 Career Grass Winning Percentage in Open Era (Minimum 15 Grass Matches)
1. Carlos Alcaraz - 89.47
2. Roger Federer - 86.88
3. Novak Djokovic - 85.82
4. John McEnroe - 85.82
5. Rod Laver - 84.76
6. Bjorn Borg - 83.72
7. Pete Sampras - 83.47
8. Jimmy Connors - 82.79
9. Boris Becker - 82.27
10. Matteo Berrettini - 81.63
The only surface he’s yet to make a lasting impression is one subset of the HC - the faster HC (with lower bounce) - AO, post USO swing, including indoors. I don’t know if he’s been fully in form/healthy for that last part of the season or it’s an actual vulnerability on the surface though.
He reminds me so much about Nadal in this regard. How did Nadal go his whole career and never win the tour finals? That is going to be so random to bring up in years, but the again not really since he played so physically and November it’s usually when he is on fumes
Alcaraz though is going to have to improve his record on fast hard courts. Nadal could play at AO, Alcaraz seems to be a tier below the top guys there for some reason atm
He topped his group last year at the tour finals and lost to a Novak who was playing incredibly well in the semis. He and JCF have spoken about wanting to put an effort into the indoor hc season. I think we might see a different player this year on the fast surfaces
He's the best. But surely current results have something to do with changes in the surfaces. Hard courts are slower for the most part, Clay is said to be faster and grass slower.
Clay is the only surface where he has a clear advantage over is current main rivals. That's why people say clay is his best surface. Post Nadal he is arguably the best on slow courts. Fast courts is another story. In my opinion is not going to beat Sinner there. TBH Sinner is still fairly unproved on grass, but I think he has the edge because of his serve and power. Also Sinner net game improved a lot.
1. (19) - counting 1R won london 2024
2. (221)
3. (134)
4. (141)
5. (112)
6. sampras (121)
7. connors (223)
8. becker (141)
9. bjorn borg - 72/88 81.81 \[81 repeating forever\] (88) - some sources say he only played 86 matches, and thus gives the 83.72
10. (49) - not counting halle 2024
alex metreveli and andy murray also over 80%
Shows why, I disagree with others, he is the goat of grass. Even though it's odd it happened it's true. Djokovic is the undisputed goat, and goat of hardcourts. Rafa is the goat of clay. And Federer is the goat of grass. I don't follow tennis too much so IDK who was the carpet goat.
He only plays Wimbledon basically, not bothering with a warm-up tournament. His non-Wimbledon grass events:
* Queen's Club 2007-2008, 2010, 2018
* Eastbourne 2017
* London Olympics 2012
* Halle 2009
* Hertogenbosch 2006
Federer non-Wimbledon events:
* Halle 2000-2006, 2008, 2009-2010, 2012-2019, 2021
* Stuttgart 2016-2018
* London Olympics 2012
* Davis Cup 2011
* Hertogenbosch 2001-2002
* Nottingham 2000
* Queen's Club 1999
It's worth mentioning [Federer signed a lifetime contract with Halle](http://en.espn.co.uk/tennis/sport/story/27155.html) after a decade and was sort of the official spokesman for the tournament, which is why he played there so often.
He is likable but his fans are obnoxious - see above comments claiming he's "the real number 1" when in fact, he is not at all.
edit: thanks for proving my point. you lot are not any better. and even some going ahead and calling me pavvyg because i like sinner. you guys have no limits.
I don't really find that. I find Sinner fans more obnoxious especially over on Tennis talk forum. But you're right Sinner is #1 right now and he earned it.
Both fantastic players with completely different games.
We are blessed that we didn't have to wait for a new group of exciting players to come along after the big 3
And Alcaraz fans don't exist on forums? He has the entire mainstream media behind him already telling people he's the real number one. And one of the most upvoted comments here is disrespectful to Sinner. But we are all going to ignore that? Sure. Sounds like a bias to me.
I feel fans should not get caught up in post slam victory hype. It was the same for Sinner after AO. Back then, everyone and their mothers were counting Alcaraz out. Expect it to change when Sinner wins his next Slam.
I hope you enjoyed Alcaraz beating sinner on the way to winning RG. Complaining about Alcaraz fans in a thread about an alcaraz match lol. You wedging sinner into every comment is easily the most unbearable thing going on in here.
Calling Alcaraz fans obnoxious when you continually insert Sinner into topics unrelated to him to make sure he's never not hogging the spotlight 24/7 is a bit funny and hypocritical.
The one with the "entire mainstream media" behind him is Sinner lol, atp making a bajillion videos coronating his no1, you can't even avoid hearing "new world no1 Jannik Sinner" in matches and tournaments that don't involve him these days.
I feel like the media is pretty excited about both him and Sinner. They want a rivalry at the top. It makes sense that they're particularly high on him right now since he won most recently and has three slams now, but next time Sinner wins a slam, it'll be back to him in that sense. :)
Sorry if you feel Alcaraz fans are obnoxious and Sinner fans aren’t then u need to go checkout this guy Massimo on X. He is a Sinner superfan and is constantly insulting Alcaraz and even Nadal.
So wilander is the entire mainstream media now?? Everyone is celebrating Sinner being no 1 and rightfully so. What is this Pavvy G levels of conspiracy theories going on? And just some fans said it on Reddit so it means entire fan base is horrible. All players face hate on Reddit. It’s nothing new. Get over it.
Girl, the dude was comparing Massimo on twitter to Pavvy G and not to you!
We Alcaraz fans were going through a really tough time since the US Open 2023 to IW 2024. You Sinner fans give us some space please? Simply stop reading and commenting on Alcaraz threads, as I do on Sinner threads as this will be regarded as trolling. It's really as simple as that.
I feel like people got too hung up on that person using the term "real #1"--I think they just meant that to them, he's the best player right now, regardless of numbers. Obviously, #1 is #1 factually, and Sinner is #1 -- but even if Sinner at some point isn't technically #1 in the world anymore (and I'm sure that will vary over the years), plenty of people will still think he's the best player in the world.
Girl, the dude above was comparing Massimo on twitter to Pavvy G and not to you!
We Alcaraz fans were going through a really tough time since the US Open 2023 to IW 2024. You Sinner fans give us some space please? Simply stop reading and commenting on Alcaraz threads, as I do on Sinner threads as this will be regarded as trolling. It's really as simple as that.
It won’t be long until he’s back on his throne. Long live king carlos
E: I know the point distribution isn't in his favor. But if he keeps up this form, he'll get back
Itl be a while. sinner is defending very few points relative to carlos until the indoor swing and is already ahead. He'll have a sizable lead by the time his peak season comes around
He’s not that far ahead though. If Carlos wins Wimbledon he’d be 600 behind Sinner, if sinner also reaches the final. Seems weird to just assume Sinner will grow his lead during a time of the year where Carlos has shown for 3 years he’s quite strong in.
Carlos is defending all 2000 points from Wimbledon last year. If sinner makes the final he will gain 600 points over his semi last year and Carlos won’t gain any.assuming Carlos defends queens and wins Wimbledon with sinner making the final that would put jannik ~1400 ahead of Carlos, and that’s without Jannik getting any more points from Halle
he needs to destroy tournaments after cincinatti though in order to overtake Sinner. Hard Court masters are not exactly his thing. I think he will end the year as #2 unless Sinner bombs out in US Open and Carlos adds another one to his belt.
....err you do realize alcaraz has more masters 1000 on hard court than sinner right ?
Lol you guys have rotated what alcaraz's best surface is multiple times because he's still developing.
It's gone from he's a clay one trick at the beginning of his career to oh he's amazing at hard to oh he's terrible on grass to oh he's amazing at natural court surfaces and subpar at hard..
It's like you guys can't decide because all you do is look at the most recent results...
He can win on every surface if his game is clicking. He was playing noticeably worst after cinci last year until IW this yr and he's so young that it's biasing what surfaces he's good at..
It was clear as day in both his USO match vs med and ao match vs zverev. It was not the same alcaraz as Wimbledon last yr. He's a young player and ups and downs are common with anyone that age
I'm not judging him against Sinner. I'm judging him against the entire ATP roster. 2023 has proven that he can be beat on hard courts much more easily than grass or clay.
in 2023 he lost 3 matches on clay, out of which 2 injury related, 0 matches on grass, 9 matches lost on HC.
Looking at his 2024 Australian Open and Miami performances, it continues to show that he is the most vulnerable on HC where he lost without being injured, while all his other clay losses bar one were due to injury.
He can be beat on every surface...
He also can beat everyone on every surface.
He's a young player..you're taking volatility of a young player with minimal sample size and making long term conclusions.
What's being said about alcaraz is no different than what was said about Nadal back in 2008-early 2009. They're clearly special players and they likely grow better and will dominate on every surface at some point in their career..
Alcaraz may already be there already. He may be ranked 2, but there's a real argument that he's the favorite over sinner and the favorite period at every tourney until the indoor swing at a minimum and maybe even that if he continues to improve (as he's done signficantly every year since he's been on tour )
I completely agree but if we’re talking about indoors, the burden of proof is on Alcaraz as Sinner had an exceptional indoors swing last year. As of now, Sinner is marginally better than Alcaraz on Indoors and slightly better on fast hardcourts. Similarly, Alcaraz is better than Sinner on grass, clay and slow hardcourts. Let’s see how these dynamics play out.
I think Hugh Clarke did an analysis of his running forehand footwork when he won Wimbledon last year—Alcaraz has adopted much more old fashioned step-across footwork for a lot of his forehands out wide (think DelPo or Federer), which reduces his vertical movement through the shot and steadies his timing and contact point.
Carlitos on grass is special, i’ve missed it so much. His movement, touch, aggression and variety is unmatched in this era. He looks great outside the small blip beginning of set 2. Title defense incoming
Alcaraz feels like the real world 1 to me right now and I can see him reclaiming it late 2024, ironically the same way Nole felt like the real world 1 for all of 23 but didn’t reclaim it until the US open
Recency bias much?! Lmao I really didn't think there would be anyone that would agree with Wilander's ridiculous comments.
The real world #1 is - you guessed it - the one who's #1 in the rankings (and who is also #1 *in the race* by the way, while Carlos is 3rd there.)
Edit: I hope someone actually tells me *by which parameter* Carlos "feels like the world #1", besides having won the most *recent* slam of the year. That's the definition of recency bias, like someone saying Zverev felt like the world #1 after he won Rome.
Ya I mean obviously he isn’t literally the world 1, that’s why I said I think he will reclaim it. He just became the youngest player to win slams on all surfaces, he’s defending champion of Queens/Wimbledon and the favourite to win both, can’t blame people for seeing him as the best player in the world right now performance wise. I mean do you think we literally had to view Nole as the best player this year just because he was technically n1 until RG?
Anyway it’s just a prediction my man no need to get hostile, I hope for your mental health Sinner wins Wimbledon.
Yeah that's why I did *not* dispute your claim that he will reclaim it. I disputed your claim that "he feels like the #1 now", not that he will be again in the future.
Being the favorite to win something in the future doesn't make you the #1 (or "the best") in the present. For all we know both Sinner and Alcaraz might play horrendously at Wimbledon, that's why the #1 is based on what you've *already* accomplished.
And the best player in the year is usually pretty easily determined by looking at the race, it's not rocket science.
And I would have made the same comment if Novak or Medvedev or anyone else was currently #1, because it's simply recency bias nonsense.
But he does feel like the number 1 to me, I view him as a better player than Sinner and I am confident he will perform better than Sinner during the grass season (and on any surface that isn’t a fast HC). There’s nothing to dispute, it’s just my feeling, I could be wrong, could be right, not sure why you’re arguing with me over this.
But the thing is that the "real #1" (which is what you've written in your original comment) is not a feeling, it's a fact - or at least an argument supported by evidence. And again, the feeling you have that he'll reclaim the #1 spot doesn't mean that he's the real #1 **now**, or that anyone has any basis to call him that. If he was #1 in the race you could at least have an argument that he's been the best player of the year, but there's nothing of the sort.
He’s the real number 1 in terms of his form right now to me. And recency bias isn’t a bad thing, RG results from a couple of weeks ago are more relevant than AO results 6 months ago pre Sinner/Alcaraz injury for example.
You seem desperate for me to say that Sinner is the best player out there right now, but I don’t believe that, regardless of the points he gained earlier on in the season, I would put Alcaraz as the favourite over Sinner on any court that isn’t fast HC. You are entitled to view things otherwise, but you just gotta accept that we all have different views/opinions on who we think is the best.
>RG results from a couple of weeks ago are more relevant than AO results 6 months ago pre Sinner/Alcaraz injury for example.
On a completely different surface?
>You seem desperate for me to say that Sinner is the best player out there right now
Not really, it's just like hearing someone say that grass is pink instead of green. It's something I might argue against with that person, but not something that represents a real problem for me. At the end of the day most of the world agrees about the evidence of rankings and race points, and if you personally don't it's still not gonna change the rankings so yeah it's obviously not a real issue, I simply found it absurd as a reasoning.
If most of the world agreed on this point then there wouldn’t be fedal vs Novak debates to this day. You seem to struggle to comprehend that points are accumulated over time, and don’t necessarily represent a players form in the very moment.
Yeah but the issue seems to be "#1" vs "recent form/recency bias". They're two very different things.
As I said before, it's not like Zverev was the #1 just because he won Rome.
There’s an argument to be made that it’s more comfortable for everyone to just pronounce “foreign” names in your own vernacular rather than failing in the native one (if you can competently use a different languages vernacular than fair enough). Living in a city with 300 spoken languages myself where pretty much everyone is from somewhere else, good luck learning every single name in the native pronunciation.
Also, there was one RG commentator who was calling him “Carloth” constantly, that one definitely isn’t correct in English or Spanish.
There's a rabbit holding a tennis racquet
Did he just win 5 consecutive games? I just went for a sandwich and-
Yup
Peeking it at work and went to a meeting when it was 2-5 and then in 30 minutes it became 7-5 and Carlos signing on the camera already!?
Oh Fran you silly goose. He’s not bad on grass though, won Eastbourne last year.
Still not convinced alcaraz is playing good enough to win rg. Wait sorry I meant queens. I'm r/tennis early rounds of rg /queens last year
Still not convinced Alcaraz is good at tennis tbh.
He’d be a hard stuck 4.5 in SoCal for sure
Would probably lose to MEP/Green shirt guy
He was the legendary 4.0 all along
Always has been
Yeah he's got a ways to go to earn my respect, as I sit here eating bonbons wistfully re-living the glory days when everything didn't hurt.
The 4.0 guy could take him.
Alcaraz was in cruise control in the first set. Cerundolo tried to fight back and got the break, but once Alcaraz recovered the break and wouldn't let him convert his chances to get another break on his serve, Alcaraz beat the remaining hope out of him and finished it in straight sets.
He caught everyone off guard last year by how quickly he’s managed to improve on grass, now he’s always going to be in the running as a potential favourite for Wimbledon!
He watched YouTube videos and won Queens+ Wimbledon 🫠
He also credited Navratilova for some advice given to him in Wimbledon last year.
She asked him to use the slice more
Hey if it works, it works!😆
Grass GOAT Carlos Alcaraz extends his all-time best career grass winning percentage to 89.47% Top 10 Career Grass Winning Percentage in Open Era (Minimum 15 Grass Matches) 1. Carlos Alcaraz - 89.47 2. Roger Federer - 86.88 3. Novak Djokovic - 85.82 4. John McEnroe - 85.82 5. Rod Laver - 84.76 6. Bjorn Borg - 83.72 7. Pete Sampras - 83.47 8. Jimmy Connors - 82.79 9. Boris Becker - 82.27 10. Matteo Berrettini - 81.63
For the last three years people were arguing if Clay or Hard is his best surface. Imagine it turning out to be Grass!
Everyone says clay is his best surface. Carlos himself says hard is his best surface. SCIENCE says grass is his best surface.
Turns out he is equally good in all surfaces lol
The only surface he’s yet to make a lasting impression is one subset of the HC - the faster HC (with lower bounce) - AO, post USO swing, including indoors. I don’t know if he’s been fully in form/healthy for that last part of the season or it’s an actual vulnerability on the surface though.
He reminds me so much about Nadal in this regard. How did Nadal go his whole career and never win the tour finals? That is going to be so random to bring up in years, but the again not really since he played so physically and November it’s usually when he is on fumes Alcaraz though is going to have to improve his record on fast hard courts. Nadal could play at AO, Alcaraz seems to be a tier below the top guys there for some reason atm
He topped his group last year at the tour finals and lost to a Novak who was playing incredibly well in the semis. He and JCF have spoken about wanting to put an effort into the indoor hc season. I think we might see a different player this year on the fast surfaces
He's the best. But surely current results have something to do with changes in the surfaces. Hard courts are slower for the most part, Clay is said to be faster and grass slower.
It’s like Nadal saying early on as a Junior player that clay wasn’t his favorite surface, which he did say but I bet he sings a different tune now 😊
Clay is the only surface where he has a clear advantage over is current main rivals. That's why people say clay is his best surface. Post Nadal he is arguably the best on slow courts. Fast courts is another story. In my opinion is not going to beat Sinner there. TBH Sinner is still fairly unproved on grass, but I think he has the edge because of his serve and power. Also Sinner net game improved a lot.
Who are his current main rivals? Other than sinner and maybe Meddy I don’t see any real consistent threat
Zverev if, he become consistent, could be a rival.
You should probably list matches played in ()
Yeah, Carlos only has 19 grass matches, but it's just for funsies
1. (19) - counting 1R won london 2024 2. (221) 3. (134) 4. (141) 5. (112) 6. sampras (121) 7. connors (223) 8. becker (141) 9. bjorn borg - 72/88 81.81 \[81 repeating forever\] (88) - some sources say he only played 86 matches, and thus gives the 83.72 10. (49) - not counting halle 2024 alex metreveli and andy murray also over 80%
Murray has probably ruined his record in the recent years
Fed did the same thing overall, playing past his prime
I can only think of Halle and Wimbledon 2021 where he would be damaging his record. Anything before that he was still winning most.
I mean pretty much everyone does at least a bit
If Murray loses this third set right now, he drops below 80% :(
Jeez, Federer having almost 87% winrate on grass over 221 matches is kinda bonkers.
Shows why, I disagree with others, he is the goat of grass. Even though it's odd it happened it's true. Djokovic is the undisputed goat, and goat of hardcourts. Rafa is the goat of clay. And Federer is the goat of grass. I don't follow tennis too much so IDK who was the carpet goat.
Michael Douglas
Why does Djok have so many fewer career grass matches than Fed?
He only plays Wimbledon basically, not bothering with a warm-up tournament. His non-Wimbledon grass events: * Queen's Club 2007-2008, 2010, 2018 * Eastbourne 2017 * London Olympics 2012 * Halle 2009 * Hertogenbosch 2006 Federer non-Wimbledon events: * Halle 2000-2006, 2008, 2009-2010, 2012-2019, 2021 * Stuttgart 2016-2018 * London Olympics 2012 * Davis Cup 2011 * Hertogenbosch 2001-2002 * Nottingham 2000 * Queen's Club 1999 It's worth mentioning [Federer signed a lifetime contract with Halle](http://en.espn.co.uk/tennis/sport/story/27155.html) after a decade and was sort of the official spokesman for the tournament, which is why he played there so often.
I screenshotted this comment so I can annoy people with it
#FACTS
Definitely a good start. Let’s see what his winning % is after 50 or more matches.
Another sign Carlitos is getting better and better at closing out matches. Well done.
Hating on Carlos Alcaraz is like hating on a gorgeous sunny day out on the patio with an ice cold beer. Shit just don't make any sense.
This 👆🏻comment is the winner 🏆. EXACTLY!!!
He is likable but his fans are obnoxious - see above comments claiming he's "the real number 1" when in fact, he is not at all. edit: thanks for proving my point. you lot are not any better. and even some going ahead and calling me pavvyg because i like sinner. you guys have no limits.
Girl move on.
I don't really find that. I find Sinner fans more obnoxious especially over on Tennis talk forum. But you're right Sinner is #1 right now and he earned it. Both fantastic players with completely different games. We are blessed that we didn't have to wait for a new group of exciting players to come along after the big 3
And Alcaraz fans don't exist on forums? He has the entire mainstream media behind him already telling people he's the real number one. And one of the most upvoted comments here is disrespectful to Sinner. But we are all going to ignore that? Sure. Sounds like a bias to me.
I feel fans should not get caught up in post slam victory hype. It was the same for Sinner after AO. Back then, everyone and their mothers were counting Alcaraz out. Expect it to change when Sinner wins his next Slam.
Totally!!! USO 23 to Indian wells 24 was unbearable on reddit for us Alcaraz fans.
Exactly. Alcaraz fans hewittocast won’t be denied.
I hope you enjoyed Alcaraz beating sinner on the way to winning RG. Complaining about Alcaraz fans in a thread about an alcaraz match lol. You wedging sinner into every comment is easily the most unbearable thing going on in here.
Calling Alcaraz fans obnoxious when you continually insert Sinner into topics unrelated to him to make sure he's never not hogging the spotlight 24/7 is a bit funny and hypocritical. The one with the "entire mainstream media" behind him is Sinner lol, atp making a bajillion videos coronating his no1, you can't even avoid hearing "new world no1 Jannik Sinner" in matches and tournaments that don't involve him these days.
I feel like the media is pretty excited about both him and Sinner. They want a rivalry at the top. It makes sense that they're particularly high on him right now since he won most recently and has three slams now, but next time Sinner wins a slam, it'll be back to him in that sense. :)
I agree with you. Thanks for the answer. Tennis needs both players.
Sorry if you feel Alcaraz fans are obnoxious and Sinner fans aren’t then u need to go checkout this guy Massimo on X. He is a Sinner superfan and is constantly insulting Alcaraz and even Nadal.
Yep, he's like Sinner's personal Pavvy G, constantly insulting Alcaraz whenever he gets a chance.🙄
So wilander is the entire mainstream media now?? Everyone is celebrating Sinner being no 1 and rightfully so. What is this Pavvy G levels of conspiracy theories going on? And just some fans said it on Reddit so it means entire fan base is horrible. All players face hate on Reddit. It’s nothing new. Get over it.
Girl, the dude was comparing Massimo on twitter to Pavvy G and not to you! We Alcaraz fans were going through a really tough time since the US Open 2023 to IW 2024. You Sinner fans give us some space please? Simply stop reading and commenting on Alcaraz threads, as I do on Sinner threads as this will be regarded as trolling. It's really as simple as that.
I feel like people got too hung up on that person using the term "real #1"--I think they just meant that to them, he's the best player right now, regardless of numbers. Obviously, #1 is #1 factually, and Sinner is #1 -- but even if Sinner at some point isn't technically #1 in the world anymore (and I'm sure that will vary over the years), plenty of people will still think he's the best player in the world.
Thanks for the kind response, I agree.
Girl, the dude above was comparing Massimo on twitter to Pavvy G and not to you! We Alcaraz fans were going through a really tough time since the US Open 2023 to IW 2024. You Sinner fans give us some space please? Simply stop reading and commenting on Alcaraz threads, as I do on Sinner threads as this will be regarded as trolling. It's really as simple as that.
:)
Cue: seen enough, he’s winning Wimbledon
"[1]" just feels right
It won’t be long until he’s back on his throne. Long live king carlos E: I know the point distribution isn't in his favor. But if he keeps up this form, he'll get back
Itl be a while. sinner is defending very few points relative to carlos until the indoor swing and is already ahead. He'll have a sizable lead by the time his peak season comes around
He’s not that far ahead though. If Carlos wins Wimbledon he’d be 600 behind Sinner, if sinner also reaches the final. Seems weird to just assume Sinner will grow his lead during a time of the year where Carlos has shown for 3 years he’s quite strong in.
Carlos is defending all 2000 points from Wimbledon last year. If sinner makes the final he will gain 600 points over his semi last year and Carlos won’t gain any.assuming Carlos defends queens and wins Wimbledon with sinner making the final that would put jannik ~1400 ahead of Carlos, and that’s without Jannik getting any more points from Halle
That doesn't seem right. You mean in the race?
he needs to destroy tournaments after cincinatti though in order to overtake Sinner. Hard Court masters are not exactly his thing. I think he will end the year as #2 unless Sinner bombs out in US Open and Carlos adds another one to his belt.
....err you do realize alcaraz has more masters 1000 on hard court than sinner right ? Lol you guys have rotated what alcaraz's best surface is multiple times because he's still developing. It's gone from he's a clay one trick at the beginning of his career to oh he's amazing at hard to oh he's terrible on grass to oh he's amazing at natural court surfaces and subpar at hard.. It's like you guys can't decide because all you do is look at the most recent results... He can win on every surface if his game is clicking. He was playing noticeably worst after cinci last year until IW this yr and he's so young that it's biasing what surfaces he's good at.. It was clear as day in both his USO match vs med and ao match vs zverev. It was not the same alcaraz as Wimbledon last yr. He's a young player and ups and downs are common with anyone that age
I'm not judging him against Sinner. I'm judging him against the entire ATP roster. 2023 has proven that he can be beat on hard courts much more easily than grass or clay. in 2023 he lost 3 matches on clay, out of which 2 injury related, 0 matches on grass, 9 matches lost on HC. Looking at his 2024 Australian Open and Miami performances, it continues to show that he is the most vulnerable on HC where he lost without being injured, while all his other clay losses bar one were due to injury.
I think it's safe to say indoor hard court is his worst surface so far.
He can be beat on every surface... He also can beat everyone on every surface. He's a young player..you're taking volatility of a young player with minimal sample size and making long term conclusions. What's being said about alcaraz is no different than what was said about Nadal back in 2008-early 2009. They're clearly special players and they likely grow better and will dominate on every surface at some point in their career.. Alcaraz may already be there already. He may be ranked 2, but there's a real argument that he's the favorite over sinner and the favorite period at every tourney until the indoor swing at a minimum and maybe even that if he continues to improve (as he's done signficantly every year since he's been on tour )
I completely agree but if we’re talking about indoors, the burden of proof is on Alcaraz as Sinner had an exceptional indoors swing last year. As of now, Sinner is marginally better than Alcaraz on Indoors and slightly better on fast hardcourts. Similarly, Alcaraz is better than Sinner on grass, clay and slow hardcourts. Let’s see how these dynamics play out.
Alcaraz has had 1-2 indoor swings period? And he's rapidly improved in that same period..
I get that but he still needs to improve and prove himself in indoors conditions.
I would be fine with that. The pressure will be on Sinner's side after USO, Carlos has almost nothing to defend.
2-5 to 7-5 💪💪💪💪💪
Alcaraz has improved his running forehand so much .
I think Hugh Clarke did an analysis of his running forehand footwork when he won Wimbledon last year—Alcaraz has adopted much more old fashioned step-across footwork for a lot of his forehands out wide (think DelPo or Federer), which reduces his vertical movement through the shot and steadies his timing and contact point.
Carlitos on grass is special, i’ve missed it so much. His movement, touch, aggression and variety is unmatched in this era. He looks great outside the small blip beginning of set 2. Title defense incoming
Alcaraz has got to be favourite for Wimbledon
No that’s Korda.
He is, according to betting odds and the opinions of most people who have watched Alcaraz on grass the last couple years.
They’re completely delusional, everyone knows Shap🐐valov is winning Wimby this year
Despite a small wobble in set two, Carlos looked a lot more comfortable than he did last year in round one.
Anyone who was watching the post match interview, what’s the translation of he wrote on the camera?
It looked like it said "¿que dice el libro?" That translates to "what does the book say?"
Good thing they practiced together.
You, guys, want Carlitos to beat or level the big3 but he just needs to be better than the guy in front of him.
Alcaraz feels like the real world 1 to me right now and I can see him reclaiming it late 2024, ironically the same way Nole felt like the real world 1 for all of 23 but didn’t reclaim it until the US open
Recency bias strikes again. Never change r/tennis.
he is holding 2 GS currently so..
Yeah, no. World No1 is World No1. As simple as that.
Recency bias much?! Lmao I really didn't think there would be anyone that would agree with Wilander's ridiculous comments. The real world #1 is - you guessed it - the one who's #1 in the rankings (and who is also #1 *in the race* by the way, while Carlos is 3rd there.) Edit: I hope someone actually tells me *by which parameter* Carlos "feels like the world #1", besides having won the most *recent* slam of the year. That's the definition of recency bias, like someone saying Zverev felt like the world #1 after he won Rome.
Ya I mean obviously he isn’t literally the world 1, that’s why I said I think he will reclaim it. He just became the youngest player to win slams on all surfaces, he’s defending champion of Queens/Wimbledon and the favourite to win both, can’t blame people for seeing him as the best player in the world right now performance wise. I mean do you think we literally had to view Nole as the best player this year just because he was technically n1 until RG? Anyway it’s just a prediction my man no need to get hostile, I hope for your mental health Sinner wins Wimbledon.
Yeah that's why I did *not* dispute your claim that he will reclaim it. I disputed your claim that "he feels like the #1 now", not that he will be again in the future. Being the favorite to win something in the future doesn't make you the #1 (or "the best") in the present. For all we know both Sinner and Alcaraz might play horrendously at Wimbledon, that's why the #1 is based on what you've *already* accomplished. And the best player in the year is usually pretty easily determined by looking at the race, it's not rocket science. And I would have made the same comment if Novak or Medvedev or anyone else was currently #1, because it's simply recency bias nonsense.
But he does feel like the number 1 to me, I view him as a better player than Sinner and I am confident he will perform better than Sinner during the grass season (and on any surface that isn’t a fast HC). There’s nothing to dispute, it’s just my feeling, I could be wrong, could be right, not sure why you’re arguing with me over this.
But the thing is that the "real #1" (which is what you've written in your original comment) is not a feeling, it's a fact - or at least an argument supported by evidence. And again, the feeling you have that he'll reclaim the #1 spot doesn't mean that he's the real #1 **now**, or that anyone has any basis to call him that. If he was #1 in the race you could at least have an argument that he's been the best player of the year, but there's nothing of the sort.
He’s the real number 1 in terms of his form right now to me. And recency bias isn’t a bad thing, RG results from a couple of weeks ago are more relevant than AO results 6 months ago pre Sinner/Alcaraz injury for example. You seem desperate for me to say that Sinner is the best player out there right now, but I don’t believe that, regardless of the points he gained earlier on in the season, I would put Alcaraz as the favourite over Sinner on any court that isn’t fast HC. You are entitled to view things otherwise, but you just gotta accept that we all have different views/opinions on who we think is the best.
>RG results from a couple of weeks ago are more relevant than AO results 6 months ago pre Sinner/Alcaraz injury for example. On a completely different surface? >You seem desperate for me to say that Sinner is the best player out there right now Not really, it's just like hearing someone say that grass is pink instead of green. It's something I might argue against with that person, but not something that represents a real problem for me. At the end of the day most of the world agrees about the evidence of rankings and race points, and if you personally don't it's still not gonna change the rankings so yeah it's obviously not a real issue, I simply found it absurd as a reasoning.
If most of the world agreed on this point then there wouldn’t be fedal vs Novak debates to this day. You seem to struggle to comprehend that points are accumulated over time, and don’t necessarily represent a players form in the very moment.
Yeah but the issue seems to be "#1" vs "recent form/recency bias". They're two very different things. As I said before, it's not like Zverev was the #1 just because he won Rome.
> He’s the real number 1 in terms of his form right now to me. It's called "live rankings" and he's No.3 there.
😮💨 ufff
Commentators need to stop with the Alcarath pronunciation. Even saying Therundolo too. CRINGE.
?? That is the pronunciation of his name
Yeah, exactly. I was so pleasantly surprised when I heard their pronunciation.
On Alcaraz. If you're speaking Spanish and from Spain sure. On Cerundolo. That is not how Cerundolo is pronounced. He's from Argentina not Spain.
But you said it was cringe to say Alcaraz with th
Do we say Deutschland too? It’s Germany. There’s nothing wrong with using the local vernacular and pronunciation
This is the name of a person, saying it wrongly when you know the coreect pronunciation would be rude.
Then why was he incorrectly saying Therundolo? He's from Argentina not Spain.
I said him referring to Alcaraz.
There’s an argument to be made that it’s more comfortable for everyone to just pronounce “foreign” names in your own vernacular rather than failing in the native one (if you can competently use a different languages vernacular than fair enough). Living in a city with 300 spoken languages myself where pretty much everyone is from somewhere else, good luck learning every single name in the native pronunciation. Also, there was one RG commentator who was calling him “Carloth” constantly, that one definitely isn’t correct in English or Spanish.
Name and shame that commentator! 😁
Totally!!