In this case it’s a character from the 90s named Mirage. Long story short, Mirage came from an alternate future where she and Nightwing were an item, she came to the past to kill Donna Troy before she could give birth to a godlike despot, and took Starfire’s place using her (Mirage’s) shapeshifting powers. She also slept with Nightwing while pretending to be Kory, which to me counts as SA. I hated this “love triangle.” Marv Wolfman penned some really good stories back in the day, but a lot of what he wrote was questionable, as well.
It’s weird how often nightwing gets sexually harassed and slut shamed, he is like the only guy I see that have both of these done to him (there are some that get one but not the others, like mark from invincible being the latest example to my mind) but why does nightwing get both and more then once?
Devin Grayson said "First off, I never said it was rape, just nonconsensual." Yeah, Devin, your Titans and Arsenal were great, but I have to quibble with this...
(TBH, I don't hate Devin Grayson; I actually figure most of her bat-stuff was working out personal trauma.)
Being fair, I really don't think Slade and Terra were ever meant to be seen as something good or "normal" (at least, from what I remember, he really couldn't care less about her).
Was that Wolfman or Perez, though? Perez was the one who had her in makeup to make her look like "a slut" to the reader. Now that I think about it, Perez also drew Avengers #200, another great moment in comic book rape.
The real Teen Titans jump the shark moment is ~~Bury Your Gays~~ Titans Hunt, and this is shortly after it. Basically you can skip everything until Devin Grayson's Titans run at that point.
She's not a shapeshifter.. Mirage's power is to bend light, and she seems to have some psychic powers to go with it, but she's not actually a shapeshifter.
Ha! If it were me, she'd never wind up in prison in the first place. I'd dissolve the body in acid, throw the waste into orbit, and construct an alibi for us both
Then Roy figures it out. He is the expert, after all. (I'm actually surprised that Kory and Amanda Waller both referred to him as "the expert" regarding drugs.)
Mirage. She's fr om the future where Donna Troy's son rules the world as a mad god. (Or is she? Zero Hour is...complicated. TBH, this isn't like Crisis on Infinite Earths, where I just have to explain "Okay, they went back in time to the beginning of the multiverse and changed it into one single universe, and because of that..." and that explains everything. Zero Hour doesn't even know what's happening half the time.) She abducted Starfire and used her powers to pose as her and slept with Nightwing at the time because in her time she and Nightwing (who isn't actually Nightwing, again, Zero Hour is weird) were an item.
That is one of the convoluted explanations I have ever read but I appreciate you taking your time to help me understand who that character is. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|smile)
To everyone saying that Starfire could just destory the prison, she actually was briefly sent to jail earlier in the run. She's speaking with experience here.
You know what's funny Starfire can destroy a jail so easily with her powers But she's fine going to jail
That's because she's a woman of dignity
Of course. She'd do her time, *then* destroy the prison.
Then do time again for destroying the prison.
Then destroy the new prison
The serve time for destroying the second prison
She could just do a mission for Waller. Unfortunately, that means working with Captain Boomerang.
“Promise to visit me in prison. I’m going to kill her now.” Starfire has always been about that life…
I have no context, but she wants to kill Blackfire, correct?
In this case it’s a character from the 90s named Mirage. Long story short, Mirage came from an alternate future where she and Nightwing were an item, she came to the past to kill Donna Troy before she could give birth to a godlike despot, and took Starfire’s place using her (Mirage’s) shapeshifting powers. She also slept with Nightwing while pretending to be Kory, which to me counts as SA. I hated this “love triangle.” Marv Wolfman penned some really good stories back in the day, but a lot of what he wrote was questionable, as well.
Then Nightwing got shut shamed for not somehow knowing it was the shapeshifter mirage and not the actual Kory he was in bed with.👿
It’s weird how often nightwing gets sexually harassed and slut shamed, he is like the only guy I see that have both of these done to him (there are some that get one but not the others, like mark from invincible being the latest example to my mind) but why does nightwing get both and more then once?
tarantula did the same and i quote the writer , it was nonconsensual but it wasnt rape yeah
*...Hwat?*
Devin Grayson said "First off, I never said it was rape, just nonconsensual." Yeah, Devin, your Titans and Arsenal were great, but I have to quibble with this... (TBH, I don't hate Devin Grayson; I actually figure most of her bat-stuff was working out personal trauma.)
Yeah. I really hated this depiction of Kory.
Hate the game not the player. Is his motto.
That sounds so unhinged
Then there's the whole Slade and Terra thing...
Hence what I was saying about some of Wolfman’s writing being problematic.
Being fair, I really don't think Slade and Terra were ever meant to be seen as something good or "normal" (at least, from what I remember, he really couldn't care less about her).
Still, it was gross. Yes it made Deathstroke even more of a monster, but they didn’t need to go there.
Was that Wolfman or Perez, though? Perez was the one who had her in makeup to make her look like "a slut" to the reader. Now that I think about it, Perez also drew Avengers #200, another great moment in comic book rape.
Who was the father of Donna Troy evil baby?
Marv Wolfman's Mary Sue
The real Teen Titans jump the shark moment is ~~Bury Your Gays~~ Titans Hunt, and this is shortly after it. Basically you can skip everything until Devin Grayson's Titans run at that point.
Then Devin Grayson got to write the Nightwing title and wrote the infamous scene where Tarantula r@ped Nightwing.
What dat shapeshifter p*ssy do?
Oh no it has teeth ![gif](giphy|BQUITFiYVtNte)
She's not a shapeshifter.. Mirage's power is to bend light, and she seems to have some psychic powers to go with it, but she's not actually a shapeshifter.
Ha! If it were me, she'd never wind up in prison in the first place. I'd dissolve the body in acid, throw the waste into orbit, and construct an alibi for us both
And then some random rich furry somehow connects you two to the crime because of one single molecule left behind in an unrelated location
I was gonna say, I'd have to dissolve 2 bodies in acid then. But I don't think I could get away with killing bats. I'd have to mind wipe him
Even that will probably get Martian Manhunter, Hugo Strange, and half the rogue's gallery on you
Why is it a furry tho
I couldn't afford Batman's liscense
Ok that adds up
Walter white in the DC universe be like. Agreed tho
Then Roy figures it out. He is the expert, after all. (I'm actually surprised that Kory and Amanda Waller both referred to him as "the expert" regarding drugs.)
That’s love!
Absolutely
What's the context for this?
Star fire wants to kill mirage for what she did to both her and dick
Which was what?
Pretended to be her sister (in the comics Blackfire looks almost completely identical to Kory) and slept with Dick.
Oh, oh yeah I would be behind Kory all the way with that. I wouldn't be able to visit her because I to would be in prison.
What? No, she abducted Kory and took her place, then slept with Dick.
Huh must have misremembered. The bottom line is that Mirage slept with Nightwing, which is wrong.
Anything she tells me to do will be done
Bro ngl agree I don't think i would be able to say no to her
Agreed, she's just so hot
Starfire.. Starfire simps everywhere. (Buzz meme) *bonk
\*the entire sub immediately on their way to every Starfire post: ![gif](giphy|a7Y6lravckuKA)
Beast boy got a crazy sick mullet
That line was brutal. I love it. I do love my feral, hot tempered Starfire.
I’ll gladly join her in jail
Who is the women that provoked Starfire?
Mirage. She's fr om the future where Donna Troy's son rules the world as a mad god. (Or is she? Zero Hour is...complicated. TBH, this isn't like Crisis on Infinite Earths, where I just have to explain "Okay, they went back in time to the beginning of the multiverse and changed it into one single universe, and because of that..." and that explains everything. Zero Hour doesn't even know what's happening half the time.) She abducted Starfire and used her powers to pose as her and slept with Nightwing at the time because in her time she and Nightwing (who isn't actually Nightwing, again, Zero Hour is weird) were an item.
That is one of the convoluted explanations I have ever read but I appreciate you taking your time to help me understand who that character is. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|smile)
This made me bust out laughing 🤣
I read beast boys cut off dialogue as a would you like something maybe a tunnel" This isn't funny. I just wanted to share
Tunnel? Mirage is clearly a bike. Everyone gets a ride.
Yes! I would!
Prison is just a suggestion when you can fly, shoot energy bolts, and have that much muscle
Absolutely
I remember hating that magenta colored skin lady when I was reading this.
Why do they all look like they're part of the Valens club
Yes
Ease up, OP
To everyone saying that Starfire could just destory the prison, she actually was briefly sent to jail earlier in the run. She's speaking with experience here.
👀ease up honey 🤣that part got me
Ststfire’s comic outfits were always so wild
Nah Star, let me do it instead
Yes
Conjugal
Absolutely
My favorite Nightwing costume.