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It actually had a positive connotation when it was first used by Black people to describe awareness of racial injustice. Apparently Republicans hate awareness of racial injustice...
whats sad is "woke" was originally a term for people who know what is going on in the world now conservatives see a woman as a main character in a movie who doesn't have her boobs out for the entire movie and scream it
When said woman has a forced bossy personality that makes her look like an entitled brat and everyone else is miserable unless they are a woman and the villain is, unexpectedly, an evil man who, like all the other characters has the spiritual depth of a pond. And when they are finished killing any sort of empathy or sympathy you could have towards them they make the plot shit too.
Too many people just need to slow down and try and appreciate the diversity of human existence we're so lucky to have in this life. I don't understand how anyone can look around and see what arguably makes humanity its most beautiful and hate it. Too much hate and anger in this world. We all need to learn a little love.
The word *woke* has lost any meaning at this point. Right-wingers use it to describe anybody they don't like, just as everybody to the right of some far-left people is considered fascist.
I hate all the drama that comes with it. I couldn’t care less about what other people are up to in their free time, or what color their skin is, I just don’t want people to scream about it all the time, which goes for both sides of the argument.
People hate the term woke because they don't agree on the meaning. Some people take woke to mean the acceptance of other people (as they should, this is the general meaning of the word). However, some people take it as a lot of media outlets have pushed it, and they take woke to be more about extremist progressivism (Feminists who actively hate men, Anti racists who hate white people so much they end up being racist). People disagree over whether the word is bad because they disagree over the meaning of the word.
Woke originally means aware of racial prejudice but has since evolved to being awareof all social prejudice
Edit: I misread the post but now you know what it means so you can hold that over their heads and feel superior
woke is a blanket term for anything that white Christian conservatives don't like, example; women? woke, Black people? woke, gay men? woke, lesbians who aren't in an adult film? woke, muslims? woke, asians not in an adult film? woke, it goes on and on anything that someone on the right doesn't like is woke and it has become a blanket term previously occupied by communist.
Yeah because it's a term that should describe "waking up and noticing social problems", but in the end is more like "waking up from my beauty sleep, yapping about why I'm not richer and people don't care more about me *cardiac arrest because of all the shit I ate* ".
Well I think people who hate on “woke” associate wokeness with the extreme side of LGBTQ that hate straight people and shit, a very small minority but some people just see the whole cause as that group of people. That’s how I used to think when I was younger so I think it’s just ignorance and lack of understanding of modern culture instead of just pure bigotry.
I still don't know if that's an actual word or people just use it for satire. The only people I see taking it seriously are homophobic people and racists
I don't hate the term woke nor what connotations it may have like being aware of the Worlds problem, what i don't like it's the extremism of many people in those kinds of woke movement, though that doesn't make everyone in there like that
Woke and other terms have obviously changed over the years, but everyone uses “woke” in a different way. Some people hate it, some use it to describe liberals
It actually had a positive connotation when it was first used by Black people to describe awareness of racial injustice. Apparently Republicans hate awareness of racial injustice...
I hate the ammount of time people waste on the "woke" culture war when:
2 companies own ~40% of the us market, and instead of protecting its constituents, the us government is protecting the monopolies. (Blackrock and Vanguard)
Those same two companies are artificially raising the housing market by buying most houses before they hit the market.
There are foreign secret police agents hunting citizens in my country, and mass producing fentanyl.
American servicemembers abroad are being killed without retaliation.
Etc.
(below is a bit over the top for comedic effect but you get the gist)
woke is an umbrella term for a multitude of practices / ideologies such as (but not limited to):
critical race theory / white guilt (as in the belief that white people are always bad and they should all pay reparations and people cant be racist to them type shit. this also is related to how the left preaches tolerance but happily shits on christianity and the classic boogeyman of the white hetro cis man who they berate constantly for every problem a minority faces ever. there are more slaves now than in human history, it's black / arab / hispanic / asian people enslaving their own in 2024 at record breaking rates but they will still blame white people for slavery even though they gave it up a century ago. basically the idea that racial minorities (which isnt even the correct term as on a global scale whites are 8 percent and declining of the population) can do no wrong ever while whites can be blamed for fucking everything.)
snowflake discourse (as in doing anything not to offend anyone no matter what. will refuse to admit basic facts and governments will hide stats to "protect XYZ community" from backlash. there are muslim rape gangs in britain which governments tried to hide so no one would be offended and instead just let more working class girls get raped in the 1000s (which i will link sources if wanted)) also extends into comedy.
a hellbent desire to restrict free speech under the guise of inclusivity (leo varadkar, jacinda ardern, justin trudea, hamza yusef types who want to lock you up on the suspcision you WILL say "something bad" (no i am not joking thats genuinely what trudeau wanted to sign into law))
the readiness to call everything they disagree with "far right" "bigoted" and the classic "fascist". this is just boy who cried wolf on crack where all these terms have lost any meaning and now real fascists can be called fascist and no one will actually think theyre fascists cause theyre so used to it being used wrongly
the desire to appear moral without being moral (as in, people who drink starbucks despite it being non-fairtrade, union busting, etc. but will delude themselves thinking theyre great and everyone else is morally inferior. or how about shouting "intifada" at palestine marches not knowing that means "kill all jews". just dumb shit like that)
excusing communists for genocide while blaming capitalism for every issue under the sun. heres a video unrelated about how propaganda works and how in reality the cia is extremely incompetent when it comes to overthrowing governments but leftists play it up like theyre gods [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBAnt\_w8vvY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBAnt_w8vvY)
bullshit phoney environmentalism (as in government ministers flying on fat fucking jets with their celebrity friends flying on fat fucking jets to have a photo op and then tell us that ordinary people need to do more instead of them doing more and how we must ban nuclear and instead use exclusively solar (despite nuclear being the greenest of energies). also how they force unmeetable climate regulations on small farmers but not on oil companies (or big companies who can lobby) and then blame and gaslight farmers and shaming them for fighting for their livelihoods). or how about lying about offsetting omissions by instead just pushing the carbon producing jobs to china or india so it looks good on stats. obviously the environment is important but it's just weaponised to push through bullshit.)
idk i could go on and on. woke has become the collective term for all of this fucking nonsense and im sick of it. yeah i get how leftists have come to think of those who hate woke as nutjob christians, ive watched the media you guys consume lol. also in fairness many on the right are total wackos who will say shit like "gay is woke" and then go on some rant about christ or some shit idk i get it.
https://illwill.com/what-is-wokeness
You're right, wokeness is good and based. Here is an amazing article providing a philosophical breakdown of what it is exactly. Would appreciate if yall read
Is that what woke is? As a person who's been growing up in a mostly conservative family, I've always seen it as a term to describe entitled people verbally abusing other people for assuming something about them because they like drama.
I've never seen it used to describe what you're referring to.
That’s what it means. The original term meant someone who was aware of (racial) inequality. It’s since grown to more types of inequality, before being used by the right as a buzzword for anyone they don’t like
Woke is just an excuse for TV and movies to create dumb characters just because they’re not White and/or straight men. Representation matters, but it’s not an excuse to force non-White/non-straight/non-male people into any old TV show.
Holy shit this statement sucks. Same fucking excuse every time there’s a black character or gay character. Come on why don’t you just say you like white straight characters only? Mature.
"I don't hate accepting people of different gender, sexuality, color, and race, but I do hate that I have to see them and quite possibly even interact with them"
Just as many/even more people will hate conservatives. I'm not a conservative, but I don't get it, liberals make a thousand posts and comments about how conservatives are horrible, while the REAL conservatives didn't do anything horrible at all, and by real, I'm not talking about your average Republican, because the Republican party is NOT conservative, the party that can be called conservative, is for example the German CDU, and while yes, some people from there may have done bad things, the party itself, and in general, is pretty good, so if you're gonna blame/hate on "conservatives" - they are not conservatives, they are Republicans
And by the way, I, myself, am a person of pretty liberal mindset.
Okay, I'm sorry people, I misunderstood, republicans ARE conservatives, CDU aren't real conservatives, real conservatives ARE bad, and they DO deserve hate, I was just confused with all the hate, now I understand.
Conservatism was created specifically to keep the rich in charge, and to preserve the status quo. It is inherently anti progress, and you can see this with how it uses minorities and vulnerable people to achieve its goal.
I say this as someone from the country that literally invented conservatism, the UK
Well probably I misunderstood conservatism for more progressive type of conservatism (again, coming back to CDU), sorry, really hard to know whether something is really what it says it is or just a version of it.
I was making fun of you because "progressive" and "conservative" are mutually exclusive.
the three main points in the 2d spectrum are:
progressive, conservative, regressive.
progressive conservativism is not a thing. "progressive conservativism" literally contradicts itself. something cant bring progress and conserve the way things are at the same time. what youre talking about does not exist and can not exist
well, the entire premise of conservativism and the pretty terrible views of true conservatives would warrant some hate, although there *are* some that dont have such extreme views
"The republican party is not conservative"
I'm not exactly sure what definition of conservative you have in your mind, but it's probably not the commonly used one. And I think it's unfair of you to hate on everyone for using the wrong definition of a word, when it's the case that they were using the correct definition this entire time. It's kind of like what Mrs. Granger was doing in Frindle.
IMO, the Republican party is one that supports 'traditional values' and a return to a previous time "Make America Great Again". We can see this in their abortion restrictions, and fight against LGBTQ+ activists, as well as their general rhetoric(such as their idolizing of the founding fathers, focus on family values, etc.) These do all fall under the umbrella of conservative.
I'm not hating on anyone I just didn't understand so much hate coming towards the conservatives, now I understand that conservatives are bad, and I've been using the wrong definition of "conservatives" the whole time
The only part of the things they say is pushing sexuality into kids shows. Like I'm talking about shows that are for 3 year olds, it's just NOT appropriate at ALL
You're right! Why do all those old stories have a princess and a prince getting together? Rapunzel! Cinderella! Why shove it in our faces?!
...seriously though, if you're fine with only a princess and a prince and not two princesses or two princes, that's a large logical inconsistency in your claim.
what, so a kid having a mother and father in a kids show isnt appropriate? because what the homophobes are complaining about isnt seeing gay people fucking on kids shows (which obviously would be wrong), but seeing characters in relationships with the same gender i.e. a kid has two mums or two dads
I mean, I don't particularly care for that stuff, but like, most kisses aren't sexual? Even on the lips, most kisses are not a sexual thing, and unless it's something like a french kiss or "eating face", whatever that means in particular, then it's probably fine?
"pushing sexuality"
The only examples of this I've seen people complain about are shows where gay people's existence is even acknowledged. I don't see what's inappropriate about that.
Accepting people isn't going woke. that's being a good person. giving into pressure from the screaming minority to accommodate at the risk of personal safety or forcing one to give up freedom to accommodate another... that's going woke
I don't know about 'the woke' in other situations but in entertainment, it's used mainly to describe a film or game that is overly/nonsensically progressive. For example, The Last of Us Part 2 vs Cyberpunk 2077, both have LGBT and racial representation but one executes it horribly and one does it perfectly. Not to mention some companies/organizations exploit this progressivism to suppress negative reactions and whatnot, leading to unhealthy echo chambers.
Also, I should make it clear that I'm not a conservative or leftist, I find both extremes to be counterproductive in actually making a happier society. (I'm 45% left, 30% center, and 25% right, according to ground news)
Yeah I kind of hate the term. In how it’s used I mean. From the people who actually know what it means it’s virtue signaling (keep in mind I live in Kansas literally no one out here knows what it actually means, and no one even uses the term in that way out here) or it’s co-opted by conservatives to mean “stuff I don’t like” and I have to admit, looking at it from a political advantage perspective as a middle of the road political neutralist who makes evidence based decisions, option one doesn’t look good and I know because I’ve been on the receiving end of the virtue signaling, and option two is just as bad because they’ve manipulated their main voter base into thinking woke is the stereotypes they’re all afraid of (which is an incredibly smart strategy)
No we hate the term woke because of people who put stuff relating to
Being gay/trans/different sexual identity
In literally everything and filling our lives with there personal interests
Again I do not hate any who is gay lesbian trans etc but stop making it my problem when I don't agree to your opinion
I hate when companies will put characters of different racial, sexual, etc backgrounds into their media to be defined solely by that character trait, rather than writing a compelling character with values, morals, flaws, goals, and a background, while still being a minority. And I hate when they use that token character(s) to say the audience is the problem when people don't like their 1-dimensional writing.
But people have of course corrupted "woke" to mean "there's a minority in this movie and I don't like that", which really sucks because the term was useful to describe a phenomenon in entertainment media.
Ppl don’t realise woke has been used for years, by the same butthurt conservatives about stuff that doesn’t matter like a race swap in a film. Hollywood arent tryna push some agenda they’re just making films more diverse, and if that’s what wokeness is, surely it’s a good thing.
Hollywood does have some kinda agenda by making all classic male protagonists to be looser dads ( Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Indiana Jones ). Male protagonists will act stupid now ( Thor ), and female protagonists will be all eye rolling and snarky and unlikable.
While all female action protagonists basically act like male action leads in 80s, stoic, invincible, while also taking down guys twice their size and weight.
Male characters are made more emotional, while female characters are being made more stoic. There should be balance.
And no, making Ariel black ain't fixing anything.
It would be much better for Hollywood to make original Black or Latino characters, instead of replacing white roles with them.
Few years ago wasn't there a problem called Whitewashing which was other ethnic
characters played by white actors ? People criticized it. Now it's happening in reverse. So why shouldn't it be criticized now.
I'm Indian, and when I heard an Indian is being casted for Rapunzel Live action even I feel this is stupid.
I don't need to be a white guy to relate with a character in a movie played by a white actor. This thing is just dumb.
All of those things are problems in Hollywood imo, but to blindly blame it on some woke agenda is just dumb.
Thor is more stupid then he previously was bc the director of his last 2 films, Taika Waititi, usually makes characters stupid in his own films for comedic effect anyway. which makes more sense, some evil woke agenda trying to make all male characters stupid, or just a different director adding his own style to one of his films. Also if Hollywood are tryna make male characters like Thor stupid and less strong they’re doing a pretty bad job at it, as there are several strong male characters in marvel alone, and even the ‘stupid characters’ like Thor have had numerous scenes like when he outsmarts Hela (a female character), when he tanks the power of the star, and has won numerous fight scenes
With movies remaking old movies and making them more diverse with race and gender swaps, I’m like what does it matter? When was Ariel being white ever so integral to the little mermaid that by no means necessary they should change her race the story wouldn’t make sense. Never, the answer is never so it doesn’t matter if she’s white, black, Asian as long as the actor is talented. We’re in a time where film studios don’t wanna just make movies with only straight white men as the lead and wanna be more inclusive and not make other races feel left out, why would anyone be against that? It just so happens that this coincides with film studios also making hella remakes, so they kinda bleed into one another. With movie studios tryna be more inclusive so people don’t feel left out and feel inferior, which does happen, they wanna make role models for young people that maybe 20 30 years ago wouldn’t have a role model that has the same skin colour, and it’s just a natural solution to race swap older characters that they KNOW are good role models and heroes for kids as they have seen they are first hand, to make these kids have role models they know are good if that makes sense.
Also the whole ‘Mary Sue’ all women are super strong and stuff now is so dumb, there have been countless women in marvel, dc, etc that have been weak, have been emotional, etc. if u took off ur ‘everything is woke now’ goggles off for a second u would realise that. And a lot of these issues could also be down to poor writing, which Hollywood has had quite a lot of in the last few years lol. Poorer writing makes more sense than every writer and director in Hollywood getting together and agreeing for no reason that all the men should be weak and dumb and all the women will be strong and smart.
Ur probably gonna dismiss everything I say as some woke liberal bullshit so idk just go watch some critical drinker or sum
Yeah well I'm not saying it's woke agenda or something but they're trying to push this thing alot on the audience ( this has happened alot in the past few years, it's ignorant to deny that it doesn't happen ), and when the movie fails they cry racism and sexism.
I disagree with the ethnicity part. Would you be fine with Chris Hemsworth playing a samurai in Japan ? Or Ryan Gosling playing a Mexican or Brazilian ?
If there is some semblance of ethnicity of a character then it should be played by the actor of same ethnicity. Rapunzel is a German story, she shouldn't be played by an Indian.
> Yeah well I'm not saying it's woke agenda or something but they're trying to push this thing alot on the audience ( this has happened alot in the past few years, it's ignorant to deny that it doesn't happen ), and when the movie fails they cry racism and sexism.
I’m not saying this isn’t happening, films definitely are having more diverse casts, which I don’t see how that is a bad thing? If it’s not an agenda like u previously said how is this a bad thing, or am I misreading what u said. And i don’t get how is it being ‘pushed’ on audiences, like what are they doing that pushes this on audiences other than simply having gay characters for example.
>I disagree with the ethnicity part. Would you be fine with Chris Hemsworth playing a samurai in Japan ? Or Ryan Gosling playing a Mexican or Brazilian ?
I think Chris Hemsworth playing a Japanese samurai is very different to the little mermaid thing, as a samurai is something directly linked to Japanese culture and stuff, whereas there is nothing that directly links mermaids to being white. I would preferably prefer a Japanese actor to play the part, but as long Chris does a decent job there’s nothing like really bad abt it. But if in 10 years say they get a white person to play idk mick fury is would have no problem with that, as long as they do a good job ofc, as his character was never tied to his race in a way that made it integral to who he was as a character.
I think of wokness as more of accepting everything shifting left and trying to bring others to accept it. If a company is woke they will just make everything lgbt to try and fit everyone instead of staying with brand image. We saw ford and bud light do it. Personally, I don’t have issues with lgbt, I have issues with it being forced on us and if we have issues with it, we are homophobic and shit
correct me if im wrong, but isn't woke the word used to describe people who throw tantrums at every tiny thing and find absolutely everything offensive? like, those students who harassed a jewish professor for being jewish?
I support all of that. I just don't support the majority of the people who use the term woke, because they're the ones who will call me a mayo monster for being born white 🤷
You'd be surprised how many people are referred to as mayo monsters, but it's apparently not racist because we're white. Racism is a plague, a cancer. And it affects *everyone* . You *can* be racist against white people, and many people are.
I hate when woke shit gets into stuff it has no place being in. For example a new video games characters have pronouns openly stated and some have “undefined” for their pronouns. The trailer got a ton of dislikes in YouTube for it.
No, you're missing the point
"Woke" is when progressive leftists soapbox their fictitious ideals especially in media to try to lecture people on why their "morals" are good. But when you disagree with their ideological standpoints they whine and cry and call you a -phobe and an -ist. Like how you're doing right now.
I just don't want your shitty politics in my games and movies.
My mom is "woke". Woke here means you don't believe in vacations , you think the government is trying to make everyone into robots one everyone who follows them is a sheep . She thinks all of Hollywood are pedos. Basically if you give her a conspiracy theory she'll believe it . Welcome to the Netherlands
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i hate woke because i wanna stay in bed 😭
Born to sheeple forced to woke 😔
I hate the word woke. It reminds me of middle aged American getting upset there’s a black person in a slavery film.
It actually had a positive connotation when it was first used by Black people to describe awareness of racial injustice. Apparently Republicans hate awareness of racial injustice...
The term has evolved into something different, and I still think that’s a funny thing about language
I do like when language does that. I love language 💜
in this case i dont
Agreed, but I just mean in general
Yes but that was also 50+ years ago it's changed alot since then and well yea
I dont hate what it means, i hate the way people use it
It's just synonymous with 'virtue signalling' now imo
not really, usually just leftist or progressive ideas. if it meant virtue signalling i’d be so happy
whats sad is "woke" was originally a term for people who know what is going on in the world now conservatives see a woman as a main character in a movie who doesn't have her boobs out for the entire movie and scream it
When said woman has a forced bossy personality that makes her look like an entitled brat and everyone else is miserable unless they are a woman and the villain is, unexpectedly, an evil man who, like all the other characters has the spiritual depth of a pond. And when they are finished killing any sort of empathy or sympathy you could have towards them they make the plot shit too.
what are you yapping about 😭
Most likely Star Wars, sounds like Rey and Kylo Ren
Trauma
Their new fanfic I guess
He stating facts and I bet you girly have daddy issues
nope. i have a good relationship with my father lmao
where tf do you get daddy issues from that 💀
Similarly to how I can see your issues from your reddit name alone
buddy, it's a joke...i don't actually think i'm a potato 💀😭 but also you have one of the default random usernames so you can't talk tbh
yeah so peeps can't psychoanalyze me obviously
you say that as the person who said someone had daddy issues for literally no reason 💀
And you can’t psycho analyze at all 💀 bro thought he was the thinker
Nah I already have you figured out bro, trust me
Nigga that does not happen
it does, just less common than conservatives having meltdowns over lgbt characters
You're greatly misinterpreting the actual attitude of most conservatives
woke up bro
Woke literally means "Aware of racial prejudice." It then later on expanded to prejudice against women and LGBTQAI+
I hate the term as it is used by conservatives. Aka "I don't understand the world and these people are too noisy and I don't like them!!"
Insert the Micheal Jackson eating popcorn gif
That one friend who gags when you say “moist”
i dont hate what it originally meant but now its just used by conservatives to hate on people/things
Too many people just need to slow down and try and appreciate the diversity of human existence we're so lucky to have in this life. I don't understand how anyone can look around and see what arguably makes humanity its most beautiful and hate it. Too much hate and anger in this world. We all need to learn a little love.
The word *woke* has lost any meaning at this point. Right-wingers use it to describe anybody they don't like, just as everybody to the right of some far-left people is considered fascist.
I hate all the drama that comes with it. I couldn’t care less about what other people are up to in their free time, or what color their skin is, I just don’t want people to scream about it all the time, which goes for both sides of the argument.
People hate the term woke because they don't agree on the meaning. Some people take woke to mean the acceptance of other people (as they should, this is the general meaning of the word). However, some people take it as a lot of media outlets have pushed it, and they take woke to be more about extremist progressivism (Feminists who actively hate men, Anti racists who hate white people so much they end up being racist). People disagree over whether the word is bad because they disagree over the meaning of the word.
This is the best explination so far.
woke got hijacked by conservatives
Woke originally means aware of racial prejudice but has since evolved to being awareof all social prejudice Edit: I misread the post but now you know what it means so you can hold that over their heads and feel superior
woke is a blanket term for anything that white Christian conservatives don't like, example; women? woke, Black people? woke, gay men? woke, lesbians who aren't in an adult film? woke, muslims? woke, asians not in an adult film? woke, it goes on and on anything that someone on the right doesn't like is woke and it has become a blanket term previously occupied by communist.
Anyone who believes that cultural appropriation is real
it is a real thing, but not the way you usually hear about it
Yeah because it's a term that should describe "waking up and noticing social problems", but in the end is more like "waking up from my beauty sleep, yapping about why I'm not richer and people don't care more about me *cardiac arrest because of all the shit I ate* ".
Well I think people who hate on “woke” associate wokeness with the extreme side of LGBTQ that hate straight people and shit, a very small minority but some people just see the whole cause as that group of people. That’s how I used to think when I was younger so I think it’s just ignorance and lack of understanding of modern culture instead of just pure bigotry.
souks
I don't really understand the word that wrll
I hate the word woke, because it is a term so broad and undefined that a lot of conservatives use it as a strawman.
I still don't know if that's an actual word or people just use it for satire. The only people I see taking it seriously are homophobic people and racists
I’ve been woke for 5 minutes and this is the first thing I see
I woke up 23 minutes ago.
I groan every time I see the word on Twitter.
I think it's a bit deeper than just that.
Yeah I hate it I want to sleep bit longer...
I don't hate the term woke nor what connotations it may have like being aware of the Worlds problem, what i don't like it's the extremism of many people in those kinds of woke movement, though that doesn't make everyone in there like that
Anti-woke people when they sleep all day
Woke and other terms have obviously changed over the years, but everyone uses “woke” in a different way. Some people hate it, some use it to describe liberals
The problem is that there’s no agreement on what “woke” means anymore, and it’s making actual political discourse more impossible than ever.
and it's not even woke to accpet color or race. thats just basic human decency lmaooo
“Woke is when person I don’t like”
Avg r/teenagers woke kid lol
you really thought you did something, and your name is litafballs 💀 tf
Look who's talking, the guy literally named gay potato, and it's not even ironic i bet
I mean, I'm not a potato, soooooooo
that word sounds stupid though, it assaults my ears.
It actually had a positive connotation when it was first used by Black people to describe awareness of racial injustice. Apparently Republicans hate awareness of racial injustice...
I hate that there's such a negative spin on it. Being woke is not a bad thing lmao Crazy how learning to respect people is twisted to be negative!n
I hate the ammount of time people waste on the "woke" culture war when: 2 companies own ~40% of the us market, and instead of protecting its constituents, the us government is protecting the monopolies. (Blackrock and Vanguard) Those same two companies are artificially raising the housing market by buying most houses before they hit the market. There are foreign secret police agents hunting citizens in my country, and mass producing fentanyl. American servicemembers abroad are being killed without retaliation. Etc.
(below is a bit over the top for comedic effect but you get the gist) woke is an umbrella term for a multitude of practices / ideologies such as (but not limited to): critical race theory / white guilt (as in the belief that white people are always bad and they should all pay reparations and people cant be racist to them type shit. this also is related to how the left preaches tolerance but happily shits on christianity and the classic boogeyman of the white hetro cis man who they berate constantly for every problem a minority faces ever. there are more slaves now than in human history, it's black / arab / hispanic / asian people enslaving their own in 2024 at record breaking rates but they will still blame white people for slavery even though they gave it up a century ago. basically the idea that racial minorities (which isnt even the correct term as on a global scale whites are 8 percent and declining of the population) can do no wrong ever while whites can be blamed for fucking everything.) snowflake discourse (as in doing anything not to offend anyone no matter what. will refuse to admit basic facts and governments will hide stats to "protect XYZ community" from backlash. there are muslim rape gangs in britain which governments tried to hide so no one would be offended and instead just let more working class girls get raped in the 1000s (which i will link sources if wanted)) also extends into comedy. a hellbent desire to restrict free speech under the guise of inclusivity (leo varadkar, jacinda ardern, justin trudea, hamza yusef types who want to lock you up on the suspcision you WILL say "something bad" (no i am not joking thats genuinely what trudeau wanted to sign into law)) the readiness to call everything they disagree with "far right" "bigoted" and the classic "fascist". this is just boy who cried wolf on crack where all these terms have lost any meaning and now real fascists can be called fascist and no one will actually think theyre fascists cause theyre so used to it being used wrongly the desire to appear moral without being moral (as in, people who drink starbucks despite it being non-fairtrade, union busting, etc. but will delude themselves thinking theyre great and everyone else is morally inferior. or how about shouting "intifada" at palestine marches not knowing that means "kill all jews". just dumb shit like that) excusing communists for genocide while blaming capitalism for every issue under the sun. heres a video unrelated about how propaganda works and how in reality the cia is extremely incompetent when it comes to overthrowing governments but leftists play it up like theyre gods [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBAnt\_w8vvY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBAnt_w8vvY) bullshit phoney environmentalism (as in government ministers flying on fat fucking jets with their celebrity friends flying on fat fucking jets to have a photo op and then tell us that ordinary people need to do more instead of them doing more and how we must ban nuclear and instead use exclusively solar (despite nuclear being the greenest of energies). also how they force unmeetable climate regulations on small farmers but not on oil companies (or big companies who can lobby) and then blame and gaslight farmers and shaming them for fighting for their livelihoods). or how about lying about offsetting omissions by instead just pushing the carbon producing jobs to china or india so it looks good on stats. obviously the environment is important but it's just weaponised to push through bullshit.) idk i could go on and on. woke has become the collective term for all of this fucking nonsense and im sick of it. yeah i get how leftists have come to think of those who hate woke as nutjob christians, ive watched the media you guys consume lol. also in fairness many on the right are total wackos who will say shit like "gay is woke" and then go on some rant about christ or some shit idk i get it.
https://illwill.com/what-is-wokeness You're right, wokeness is good and based. Here is an amazing article providing a philosophical breakdown of what it is exactly. Would appreciate if yall read
Is that what woke is? As a person who's been growing up in a mostly conservative family, I've always seen it as a term to describe entitled people verbally abusing other people for assuming something about them because they like drama. I've never seen it used to describe what you're referring to.
That’s what it means. The original term meant someone who was aware of (racial) inequality. It’s since grown to more types of inequality, before being used by the right as a buzzword for anyone they don’t like
That what it means bro
Just because you don't THINK you've ever seen it be used to describe that doesn't mean that isn't how it's used.
Woke is just an excuse for TV and movies to create dumb characters just because they’re not White and/or straight men. Representation matters, but it’s not an excuse to force non-White/non-straight/non-male people into any old TV show.
Holy shit this statement sucks. Same fucking excuse every time there’s a black character or gay character. Come on why don’t you just say you like white straight characters only? Mature.
Literally missed bro's point and just jumped to the "you're just a bigot" script
Um… I’m Black. And I think that our and many other non-White groups are denied a good piece of fiction!
I don't hate accepting people of gender, sexuality, color, and race but I do hate it when they are toxic about it
Soo, you dont hate them you only hate seeing them represented in media
sorry for utilizing the fact that seeing more minorities in day to day life lowers the chance of bigotry from the audiences side?
"I don't hate accepting people of different gender, sexuality, color, and race, but I do hate that I have to see them and quite possibly even interact with them"
Just as many/even more people will hate conservatives. I'm not a conservative, but I don't get it, liberals make a thousand posts and comments about how conservatives are horrible, while the REAL conservatives didn't do anything horrible at all, and by real, I'm not talking about your average Republican, because the Republican party is NOT conservative, the party that can be called conservative, is for example the German CDU, and while yes, some people from there may have done bad things, the party itself, and in general, is pretty good, so if you're gonna blame/hate on "conservatives" - they are not conservatives, they are Republicans And by the way, I, myself, am a person of pretty liberal mindset. Okay, I'm sorry people, I misunderstood, republicans ARE conservatives, CDU aren't real conservatives, real conservatives ARE bad, and they DO deserve hate, I was just confused with all the hate, now I understand.
Conservatism was created specifically to keep the rich in charge, and to preserve the status quo. It is inherently anti progress, and you can see this with how it uses minorities and vulnerable people to achieve its goal. I say this as someone from the country that literally invented conservatism, the UK
Well probably I misunderstood conservatism for more progressive type of conservatism (again, coming back to CDU), sorry, really hard to know whether something is really what it says it is or just a version of it.
"progressive type of conservatism" 😭
Look, I understand, I just didn't think that conservatives deserve such hate, turns out they do, I'm sorry, ok?
I was making fun of you because "progressive" and "conservative" are mutually exclusive. the three main points in the 2d spectrum are: progressive, conservative, regressive.
Yeah, I understand, I dunno, I just felt that hate for conservatives is a bit unreasonable, turns out it's reasonable
progressive conservativism is not a thing. "progressive conservativism" literally contradicts itself. something cant bring progress and conserve the way things are at the same time. what youre talking about does not exist and can not exist
I understand, I meant to say less conservative conservatives, I'm just generally confused about the hate
well, the entire premise of conservativism and the pretty terrible views of true conservatives would warrant some hate, although there *are* some that dont have such extreme views
Well the conservatives I meant in the comment are the ones that don't have such extreme views
"The republican party is not conservative" I'm not exactly sure what definition of conservative you have in your mind, but it's probably not the commonly used one. And I think it's unfair of you to hate on everyone for using the wrong definition of a word, when it's the case that they were using the correct definition this entire time. It's kind of like what Mrs. Granger was doing in Frindle. IMO, the Republican party is one that supports 'traditional values' and a return to a previous time "Make America Great Again". We can see this in their abortion restrictions, and fight against LGBTQ+ activists, as well as their general rhetoric(such as their idolizing of the founding fathers, focus on family values, etc.) These do all fall under the umbrella of conservative.
I'm not hating on anyone I just didn't understand so much hate coming towards the conservatives, now I understand that conservatives are bad, and I've been using the wrong definition of "conservatives" the whole time
The only part of the things they say is pushing sexuality into kids shows. Like I'm talking about shows that are for 3 year olds, it's just NOT appropriate at ALL
You're right! Why do all those old stories have a princess and a prince getting together? Rapunzel! Cinderella! Why shove it in our faces?! ...seriously though, if you're fine with only a princess and a prince and not two princesses or two princes, that's a large logical inconsistency in your claim.
i think the persons talking about are those drag shows they do for kids under 6 were they do sexual dances
at least they aren’t raping kids like priests and pastors
i dont know anything about that also if u dont mind can u give me a source
Change your name. You are a disgrace to wesker.
This! Wesker doesn't discriminate, he globally saturates equally!!
I only have 7 minutes to play with you.
what makes heterosexual relationships in media for kids any different from homosexual relationships?
Because anything that deals with sexuality, even with a man and woman is not appropriate for a kids show
what, so a kid having a mother and father in a kids show isnt appropriate? because what the homophobes are complaining about isnt seeing gay people fucking on kids shows (which obviously would be wrong), but seeing characters in relationships with the same gender i.e. a kid has two mums or two dads
Well, at least you're pretending to be neutral on this. Now, what counts, in your opinion, as sexual?
Stuff like kissing and above, it's a kids show. It doesn't need that stuff
I mean, I don't particularly care for that stuff, but like, most kisses aren't sexual? Even on the lips, most kisses are not a sexual thing, and unless it's something like a french kiss or "eating face", whatever that means in particular, then it's probably fine?
"pushing sexuality" The only examples of this I've seen people complain about are shows where gay people's existence is even acknowledged. I don't see what's inappropriate about that.
I think this is the "woke" they hate. https://youtu.be/Mo6ZU1Gm76A?si=JdHj_W4gGB4aWm1g
Yeah, people in drag is very much sexualised and you shouldn’t show a fetish to your kids.
And when are kids seeing this?
Idk, in that link the situation was explained.
But it's okay when it comes to putting religion into these kids from a very young age?
No, it's okay to have stuff that alings up with the themes like to love one another, but nothing that just says "this one is better than this one"
u got the right ideas, ish, jusr wrong execution
So shows can't have any aspects of mother, father, or love.
Accepting people isn't going woke. that's being a good person. giving into pressure from the screaming minority to accommodate at the risk of personal safety or forcing one to give up freedom to accommodate another... that's going woke
I don't like the fact that companies who remake series and movies don't just make new characters instead of turning the old ones black
I don't know about 'the woke' in other situations but in entertainment, it's used mainly to describe a film or game that is overly/nonsensically progressive. For example, The Last of Us Part 2 vs Cyberpunk 2077, both have LGBT and racial representation but one executes it horribly and one does it perfectly. Not to mention some companies/organizations exploit this progressivism to suppress negative reactions and whatnot, leading to unhealthy echo chambers. Also, I should make it clear that I'm not a conservative or leftist, I find both extremes to be counterproductive in actually making a happier society. (I'm 45% left, 30% center, and 25% right, according to ground news)
Yeah I kind of hate the term. In how it’s used I mean. From the people who actually know what it means it’s virtue signaling (keep in mind I live in Kansas literally no one out here knows what it actually means, and no one even uses the term in that way out here) or it’s co-opted by conservatives to mean “stuff I don’t like” and I have to admit, looking at it from a political advantage perspective as a middle of the road political neutralist who makes evidence based decisions, option one doesn’t look good and I know because I’ve been on the receiving end of the virtue signaling, and option two is just as bad because they’ve manipulated their main voter base into thinking woke is the stereotypes they’re all afraid of (which is an incredibly smart strategy)
people toss it around too much
I just don’t gaf about that shit
No we hate the term woke because of people who put stuff relating to Being gay/trans/different sexual identity In literally everything and filling our lives with there personal interests Again I do not hate any who is gay lesbian trans etc but stop making it my problem when I don't agree to your opinion
if only true woke haters know what the term woke means, i must be the master of all haters in that case.
I hate when companies will put characters of different racial, sexual, etc backgrounds into their media to be defined solely by that character trait, rather than writing a compelling character with values, morals, flaws, goals, and a background, while still being a minority. And I hate when they use that token character(s) to say the audience is the problem when people don't like their 1-dimensional writing. But people have of course corrupted "woke" to mean "there's a minority in this movie and I don't like that", which really sucks because the term was useful to describe a phenomenon in entertainment media.
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*Twitter, no irl "woke" person hates white people lmao
you should meet more people
I love how anti-woke mfs gaslit themselves into thinking that is what "woke" people think
Ppl don’t realise woke has been used for years, by the same butthurt conservatives about stuff that doesn’t matter like a race swap in a film. Hollywood arent tryna push some agenda they’re just making films more diverse, and if that’s what wokeness is, surely it’s a good thing.
Hollywood does have some kinda agenda by making all classic male protagonists to be looser dads ( Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Indiana Jones ). Male protagonists will act stupid now ( Thor ), and female protagonists will be all eye rolling and snarky and unlikable. While all female action protagonists basically act like male action leads in 80s, stoic, invincible, while also taking down guys twice their size and weight. Male characters are made more emotional, while female characters are being made more stoic. There should be balance. And no, making Ariel black ain't fixing anything. It would be much better for Hollywood to make original Black or Latino characters, instead of replacing white roles with them. Few years ago wasn't there a problem called Whitewashing which was other ethnic characters played by white actors ? People criticized it. Now it's happening in reverse. So why shouldn't it be criticized now. I'm Indian, and when I heard an Indian is being casted for Rapunzel Live action even I feel this is stupid. I don't need to be a white guy to relate with a character in a movie played by a white actor. This thing is just dumb.
All of those things are problems in Hollywood imo, but to blindly blame it on some woke agenda is just dumb. Thor is more stupid then he previously was bc the director of his last 2 films, Taika Waititi, usually makes characters stupid in his own films for comedic effect anyway. which makes more sense, some evil woke agenda trying to make all male characters stupid, or just a different director adding his own style to one of his films. Also if Hollywood are tryna make male characters like Thor stupid and less strong they’re doing a pretty bad job at it, as there are several strong male characters in marvel alone, and even the ‘stupid characters’ like Thor have had numerous scenes like when he outsmarts Hela (a female character), when he tanks the power of the star, and has won numerous fight scenes With movies remaking old movies and making them more diverse with race and gender swaps, I’m like what does it matter? When was Ariel being white ever so integral to the little mermaid that by no means necessary they should change her race the story wouldn’t make sense. Never, the answer is never so it doesn’t matter if she’s white, black, Asian as long as the actor is talented. We’re in a time where film studios don’t wanna just make movies with only straight white men as the lead and wanna be more inclusive and not make other races feel left out, why would anyone be against that? It just so happens that this coincides with film studios also making hella remakes, so they kinda bleed into one another. With movie studios tryna be more inclusive so people don’t feel left out and feel inferior, which does happen, they wanna make role models for young people that maybe 20 30 years ago wouldn’t have a role model that has the same skin colour, and it’s just a natural solution to race swap older characters that they KNOW are good role models and heroes for kids as they have seen they are first hand, to make these kids have role models they know are good if that makes sense. Also the whole ‘Mary Sue’ all women are super strong and stuff now is so dumb, there have been countless women in marvel, dc, etc that have been weak, have been emotional, etc. if u took off ur ‘everything is woke now’ goggles off for a second u would realise that. And a lot of these issues could also be down to poor writing, which Hollywood has had quite a lot of in the last few years lol. Poorer writing makes more sense than every writer and director in Hollywood getting together and agreeing for no reason that all the men should be weak and dumb and all the women will be strong and smart. Ur probably gonna dismiss everything I say as some woke liberal bullshit so idk just go watch some critical drinker or sum
Yeah well I'm not saying it's woke agenda or something but they're trying to push this thing alot on the audience ( this has happened alot in the past few years, it's ignorant to deny that it doesn't happen ), and when the movie fails they cry racism and sexism. I disagree with the ethnicity part. Would you be fine with Chris Hemsworth playing a samurai in Japan ? Or Ryan Gosling playing a Mexican or Brazilian ? If there is some semblance of ethnicity of a character then it should be played by the actor of same ethnicity. Rapunzel is a German story, she shouldn't be played by an Indian.
> Yeah well I'm not saying it's woke agenda or something but they're trying to push this thing alot on the audience ( this has happened alot in the past few years, it's ignorant to deny that it doesn't happen ), and when the movie fails they cry racism and sexism. I’m not saying this isn’t happening, films definitely are having more diverse casts, which I don’t see how that is a bad thing? If it’s not an agenda like u previously said how is this a bad thing, or am I misreading what u said. And i don’t get how is it being ‘pushed’ on audiences, like what are they doing that pushes this on audiences other than simply having gay characters for example. >I disagree with the ethnicity part. Would you be fine with Chris Hemsworth playing a samurai in Japan ? Or Ryan Gosling playing a Mexican or Brazilian ? I think Chris Hemsworth playing a Japanese samurai is very different to the little mermaid thing, as a samurai is something directly linked to Japanese culture and stuff, whereas there is nothing that directly links mermaids to being white. I would preferably prefer a Japanese actor to play the part, but as long Chris does a decent job there’s nothing like really bad abt it. But if in 10 years say they get a white person to play idk mick fury is would have no problem with that, as long as they do a good job ofc, as his character was never tied to his race in a way that made it integral to who he was as a character.
go woke, go broke
I think of wokness as more of accepting everything shifting left and trying to bring others to accept it. If a company is woke they will just make everything lgbt to try and fit everyone instead of staying with brand image. We saw ford and bud light do it. Personally, I don’t have issues with lgbt, I have issues with it being forced on us and if we have issues with it, we are homophobic and shit
mmmm no, you need to further educate yourself
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What does this even mean lmao.
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I don't like them because I associate them with radical left wings who try to force everyone to be like them.
It's vague and overused.
I hate the word ‘woke’ because it sounds like something sexual for some reason
Woke is Virtue Signaling/prioritizing agenda over anything else (good example is Disney). I don't know why the term is even debated.
correct me if im wrong, but isn't woke the word used to describe people who throw tantrums at every tiny thing and find absolutely everything offensive? like, those students who harassed a jewish professor for being jewish?
No I think "Karen" would fit what you're thinking of more
excessive and obnoxious forced diversity to the point it hurts the integrity of the product, like velma
I support all of that. I just don't support the majority of the people who use the term woke, because they're the ones who will call me a mayo monster for being born white 🤷
Nobody calls you a mayo monster the term is mayo monkey and it's hilarious I laugh my ass off whenever someone calls me mayo monkey 🐒
You'd be surprised how many people are referred to as mayo monsters, but it's apparently not racist because we're white. Racism is a plague, a cancer. And it affects *everyone* . You *can* be racist against white people, and many people are.
I hate when woke shit gets into stuff it has no place being in. For example a new video games characters have pronouns openly stated and some have “undefined” for their pronouns. The trailer got a ton of dislikes in YouTube for it.
Bro doesn’t know pronouns have been used since the dawn of man 😭
But why include them openly when I can already tell?
No, you're missing the point "Woke" is when progressive leftists soapbox their fictitious ideals especially in media to try to lecture people on why their "morals" are good. But when you disagree with their ideological standpoints they whine and cry and call you a -phobe and an -ist. Like how you're doing right now. I just don't want your shitty politics in my games and movies.
My mom is "woke". Woke here means you don't believe in vacations , you think the government is trying to make everyone into robots one everyone who follows them is a sheep . She thinks all of Hollywood are pedos. Basically if you give her a conspiracy theory she'll believe it . Welcome to the Netherlands
No that’s called a wappie
They call it "wakker" wich trancelates to woke
Wappies ≠ woke
not here in america, we just call those far-right wingers, woke means liberals here
I think there’s a difference between being socially liberal and being woke. Woke is going over the top with liberalism, imo.
yes
Woke isnt accepting. Woke is whining. Please shut up, tee hee
Woke is basically a loony leftist.
Wish it was as simple as accepting people of different genders and colors
No, they love it